Is abortion murder? What about masturbation?

With masturbation, no eggs have been fertilized.

>>725374047
But semen has been wasted.

>>725374047
And what?

>>725374126
Life hasn't even been created at that point.

>>725374177
Neither has it when an abortion happens

>>725374212
Yes it has lol. Whether or not the fetus is a 'real human' is the issue.

>>725374177
Sperms are alive you retard.

>>725374212
¿ Of course it has, it is a living thing

>>725374242
How can it be a human if it doesn't have a brain?

>>725374242
At best it is a parasite

>>725374177
Sperm is alive, you send them outside the body they die. That is murder. All life is precious. No masturbation, only sex with intent to create a child is acceptable under our Lord God.

>>725374247
That sperm would be gone by the
end of the day whether you masturbate or not.

>>725374282
They do

>>725374280
>>725374247
That is a good point, plus sperm can live longer outside of the body than a fetus can

>>725374280
>it is a living thing
It doesn't have a brain though. No more alive than a vegetable.

>>725374293
Much like a woman lol

>>725374282
Brain begins developing 3 weeks after conception retard

>>725373976
A fucking fetus outside the womb will die, especially on rail tracks. Better to not pull the lever than pull the lever.

Also, if you're pro-life (Catholic, etc. ) better not fap. You'll be killing life.

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Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate ...

>>725374352
Incorrect, learn your biology retard

>>725374405
>posting CP

>>725374299
nice dubs.

bad post. :(

>>725373976
Getthelube.com

>>725374381
So before that is fine? Cause that's what I think.

>>725373976
Go ahead and be pro choice but don't act like it's not murder

>>725373976
If a pregnant woman is killed, is the culprit charged of 1 or 2 deaths?

>>725374498
This.

>>725374299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

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>>725374444

>>725374423
get a fuckin grip , skin isnt child molestation , its just fuckin skin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

>>725374493
No. A fetus is alive the moment of conception

>>725374352
After 3 weeks, yeah.
Before that, no. We're talking right at the point of conception here.

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Why are people who argue against abortion always living arguments in favour of it?

Yes, indeed. Lets ban birth and even whole reproduction nonsense, all it does is set you out to inevitable path to death.

>>725374212
This x10

>>725374543
Vegetables are alive in the same way and yet you eat them.

>>725374543
>fetus
So because thier no fetus at conception does that make you a retard? Yes it does.

>>725374506
At the World Trade Center memorials in New York, there were a number of pregnant women killed who were named and then had "and her unborn child" afterwards.

>>725374628
Pigs are much more alive than either and I had one already today

>2017
>plenty of anticonceptives
>retarded whores still want abortion

>>725374506
If the culprit is black they usually are.

>>725374661
Should have added *in a civilised country* to the question.

>>725374628
Vegetables don't have hearts, brains, feelings.

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>>725374661
Pic related.

>>725374757
>Vegetables don't have hearts, brains, feelings.
That is exactly what I'm saying, fetuses before 3 weeks don't have brains or feelings.

>>725374648
Cites technicality so he doesn't have to make a counter argument because he's retarded

>>725374760
Why was she at work if she was preggers?
Oh, America, right.

If safe abortions exist then that means god allowed them to exist and therefore wants you to have that option.

>>725374842
So God wants cancer to exist too? What a nice guy.

The reason why masturbation isn't murder is because then even sex for the sake of procreation would be murder since only a single sperm makes it, so even in the best case it would be like saying you're still murdering millions of sperm.

Abortion is murder because absolutely nothing but the passage of time has a very high chance of having a live baby unless it is purposely killed by abortion. If abortion wasn't murder, then you wouldn't have any need to do it to prevent a baby from being born and there would be some way which doesn't involve directly killing it, but since you have to purposely kill the fetus, then that proves it's murder.

>>725374805
But they will. Had an ultrasound of my son in the first couple of weeks because wife was spotting. Was nothing but a little bean. He's now 8, laughs, cries builds, solves problems, will one day create life

>>725374871
No doubt he's a fire and brimstone asshole.

>>725374906
You can say the same about sperm.
Who cares what would come of it? You're not hurting anybody at the point of abortion.

>>725373976
As far as I'm concerned, if it needs life support to persist (for more than an a day) it's not alive yet (or any more).

>>725374906
That's the most redneck sentence I've ever read.
>Was nothing but a little bean

>>725374906
Because he was lucky to be born with parents. If you can't abort then these kids would end up in the foster system or living on the streets, even dead

>>725374981
So if I was bleeding out I'm not human anymore?
I go with "if it doesn't have a brain, it can't think", works wonders.

>>725374974
Have you ever had sex? Do you know the difference between masturbation and intercourse?

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>>725373976
Yes, abortion is murder but it provides stem cells to fuel stem cell research and that is all that matters. You want to live forever don't you :^)

>>725375004
So you're saying murder people because their future doesn't look promising? That's a whole separate conversation

abortion is defo murder but masturbation is a type of grey area but saying that,its awful were the giver of life ends up in a graveyard of bog-roll a sad end indeed!
wankers eh!

>>725375094
So you DO think masturbation is genocide?

>>725375061
Well..., in your particular unique case..., you're not human now.
So....

>>725375225
No stupid ass

>>725375268
Then why did you ask?

>>725375477
Because you don't seem to understand how sex works and how it is different than masturbation. Sperm on its own cannot create life. It needs to fertilize an egg from a female. When you ejaculate inside a woman, the sperm seeks the egg. And also you're retarded

Wait, ejaculating is murder so does that mean periods are murder because they kill the eggs?

>>725375684
A fertilised egg on it's own cannot "create life" either.

>>725375185
Would you rather prevent someone from being born or give birth to them, knowing that you'll be exhibiting them to a lifetime full of pain and hardship?

>>725375779
Yes.

In my 20s I was ardently pro-choice, but as I've aged I've had to reconsider my opinion and reevaluate the arguments in favour and against.

I'm in my 30s now and I'm leaning towards being against abortion, as the arguments in favour of it are built on very shaky foundations.

Either you believethat it's morally wrong to take a perfectly healthy human life, or you don't.

I'm coming to the conclusion that it is morally reprehensible to kill unborn babies for reasons of selfishness or self interest.

If a person really does not want a baby, there are other options.

Abortion seems to be the easy and most abhorrent option.

Prove me wrong, /b/.

do you reckon alot of smart people IQ200+ have been rubbed out before they got the chance to finish 1st in reaching the egg?
I think so yeah

>>725375909
>to take a perfectly healthy human life
You lost me there.

>>725375909
You cannot have an opinion on abortion until you have created life. Period.

>>725376006
Until you impregnate somebody?

hey guys, for you know those dicks can be niggers dicks and we dont need anymore of them running around and if the fetus is a black baby it will end in a couple years, so win win

>>725375004
>If you can't abort then these kids would end up in the foster system or living on the streets, even dead
>if you can't abort then they might end up dead
WOW this really activated my almonds.

Abortion is murder.

>>725375831
I would wonder how I developed the ability to predict the future

>>725375933
stupid breeds stupid lol you had an Einstein in you dude but NO had to rub him out you toss pot

>>725375933
Retard doesn't know how pregnancy works

>>725376138
I think this is somewhat exaggerated. The child many times turns out nothing like the parent.

>>725376006

Why not?

>>725376127
By experiencing almost identical circumstances firsthand

>>725375987

How?

>>725374597
KEK

>>725374506
in germany it is charged as murder and unallowed abortion

>>725376219
ITS the general gist dickweed am not gonna go into a bio lesson on a thread wanker!! point proved lol

The fetus is biologically no diffrent from 2 seconds before it the vagina to 2 seconds after it has been "born". Sperm on the other hand can never be a baby on its own. Conception is the true beginning of human life and to think otherwise is to claim that a vagina is magical and somehow one is only alive once one passes through it. It's ridiculous to think that some people actual think a fetus isn't a human cause it hasn't developed. Using that logic anyone under 35 should be killed because they aren't fully developed yet. The brain is still growing.

>>725376254
So what circumstances basically guarantee a "lifetime of pain and hardship?" And it would be so bad that it makes more sense to kill the person

>>725376283
How can something be human if it doesn't have a brain? (before 3 weeks)

>>725374826
That's not a technicality, it's not a fetus. At the moment of conception it's not even more than two or three cells at best

My opinion, is that life is a continuum.

The life you currently possess can be traced back to the very beginning of life on this planet. Your existence is the continuation of a multi-billion-year chemical reaction. Whether you regard that with respect or not, is your decision.

But the point, is that ending life AT ANY POINT ALONG THE SPECTRUM is in fact stopping the process.

Also, it doesn't make sense to say that a fetus isn't human yet. You were human for the entirety of your existence, from the time you were a sperm and an egg up to now. There is no "in-between" period. It is all a continuum, the continuum of human life (which, before being human, was many other things, all of which are also part of the continuum).

>>725376463

He's pathetically attempting to justify murdering babies on the possibility of them having a tough life.

By that logic we should just murder all children of poor and degenerate lowlifes and drug abusers to "save them" from having tough lives.

Theres no conception. You canf say you have a car with a bunch of parts, you have to put them together to creat a car. At one point when youre putting the pieces together it starts to be seen as a car.

>>725376510

Look up the definition of human being, kid.

A human fetus is human.

Why are people so taken up with this topic?

>>725376676
Omg amazing.

>>725376754

>killing babies gets people arguing

Gee I wonder why.....

>>725376825
Both sides seem eaten up with this controversy, when there are numerous other ones.

>>725376734
agreed! i knew this bird who was having an abortion every other month or 2 a heartless bastard! cunt ended up with 3 kids every fella left her now she just sits around smoking her fags and scrathing her muff a big fat cunt

>>725376931
*ate up
My bad

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>abortion=masturbation

How the fk can you murder something that isn't alive yet ???

>>725376825
gets me fuming!

>>725377199
This is what liberals actually believe.

A cow is smarter than a baby.
Does that mean killing it is worse than the baby?

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trolley thread?
trolley thread.

>>725374531
THIS! thanks for the lulz link, great, forgot about this movie

>>725373976
Abortion
>A living human is purposefully killed
= Murder

Masturbation
>Tissues are lost, like a haircut
= not murder

>>725374212
>>725374282
>>725374293
All failed biology

You can live without the rest of the chromozones mixed into the batter. Spermatoza have a 2 or 3 week lifespan. Millions are dying of old age you senior killer.

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>>725374414
why not tell him the right answer, prof?

>>725374394
If I cum on the ground, does it grow into a person?

Take your time.

>>725378436

What the fuck, this is a wild ride

>>725374974
So sperm in a jar will create a child?

Take your time.

>>725375004
Oh, so we should kill children in foster homes because it's worse than dying?

Don't be inconsistent with your "but du chillinz" argument.

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This argument wouldn't be so ridiculously annoying of it wasn't for the pro life people not giving one single fuck about the child after its born.

Once its out of the womb it could die in a gutter for all they care.

I am pro choice because people should have a right to choose. If people don't want the child they will turn to alternative means to get rid of it, instead of safely by professionals.

>>725378784
>I'm gonna kill that homeles guy over there for no reason
>"Yeah, you shouldn't do that."
>WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LET HIM LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE? WOW PRO LIFERS DONT CARE DUR DUR

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>>725373976
>Is abortion murder?
yes
>What about masturbation?
no. the same way menstruation is not.

Life is created as soon as both Cells arrange together a human of 44 Chromosomes.

Semen has only 22 chromosomes, same as an ovule. At that point there are not part of a new being, but part of you.
If both cells get together, then they form a different human that has a genetic code of 44 chromosomes, same as you, me, and any biological normal human being.

>>725373976
Uninterrupted the fetus would become a person. It's not the same with masturbation.

>>725378784
True, but the same could be said about Liberals, who pretend to care about children until the age of 18 when they no longer matter.

>>725373976
Abortion plainly is because it's a human being killed. Sperm is not a human so masturbation is not murder.

>>725373976
if wasted life is murder then we are all guilty

>>725378496
Best one

>>725378784
People have a right to choose is the most retarded argument ever. You have a right to choose in basically every aspect of your life. Doesn't mean you should be allowed to terminate life that you created as a result of your actions

All life is sacrid. Except for the Muslim that moved in next door. Or those immigrants. Even the pregnant mothers who are brown. Any religion.

>>725374974
What are you talking about? It's not like there's a magic date when abortion happens. Abortions happens from a few weeks after conception, all the way to the point where a baby is about to be born (look up partial birth abortions).

This whole argument is always so stupid. Is a fertilized egg a baby? Of course not. Is killing a baby while it's inside the womb, because if the doctor cut it out first they'd be changed be murder, ridiculous? Yes..

The point is figuring out when a collection of cells stops being just a collection of cells, and starts being a baby. By 22 weeks, a baby can survive outside the womb. By 23 weeks, it's 50/50. By 25 weeks, it's about 90%. That's a good place to start.

And since it's a matter of life or death for the baby, and convenience for the mother, favor the baby when it comes to setting a cut-off.

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oregano

>>725373976
MULTI TRACK DRIFTING!!!!!!1111oneoneone

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>>725378496

>>725373976
Yes

Of course not, it's genocide. You murder millions of spermies.

>>725374838
Most women can still work up until the third trimester. Women in office jobs like that do get maternity leave. She probably didn't want to sit around making nothing and leaving everything up to her husband to provide.

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>>725380075
JEWS

>>725379355
It a isnt life until the third trimester, and after that, abortion is illegal except in the case of the health of the woman.

>>725374358
Life begins with the devopment of the brain? Interesting, I didn't know adult males up till 23 and adult females up till 19 weren't alive or concidered human lul

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Fucking sperm.

Lazy fucks. They don't even pay rent. I force vacate them from my body. If they can't survive in the real world, tough.

Same goes for zygotes and fetuses. They don't get to just exist inside people if they don't want them. They have every chance to survive outside the womb. Lazy fucks just let themselves die.

>>725373976
No, because the sperm hasn't swam up the vagina and eaten the egg yet. Before that the sperm cannot grow and isn't alive, just like your hair for example.

>>725379100
The fuck are you on about?

>>725378914
Those are adults you clod not toddlers.

Got to love It when people think so much of a baby but a pig whos brain is WAYY more developed don't give a shit TBH. And people who say that the fetus is a person might as well throw a sapling in a fire and expect it to burn like a log

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>>725380463
>>725380463
Sperm? let me tell ya
yall know about sperm do ya? the only time on my life when I was white.
And I still had to run for my life

>>725380589
I couldn't make heads or tails of it either. It is like he doesn't understand social programs like unemployment office, social security, veteran affairs ...

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>>725380671
What's all about this sperm stuff anyway? I just don't get it! I mean you come out of the testes and it's just like "Do you know what's going on" "No! Do you know what's going on?" "I never know what's going on!"

>>725380889
I heard this guy was a jew, don't know if it is true though.

>>725373976
masturbation is genicide

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>>725381028
does it really matter if he is or not?

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>>725380636
>you clod

>>725380712
I don't care about this thread topic, but I pointed out the hypocrisy of that anon's post. He stated that pro-lifers no longer care about the child "once its out of the womb", when the same could be said of liberals, namely "educators", who pretend to care about children more than anybody, but once that child is an adult, they no longer care about that child.

If you get into an accident, get cancer, etc. Doctors will consider you alive if you have either a heartbeat or brain function. Lose either of these and you can legally be declared dead. Your body wouldn't survive without either anyway.

Until a fetus develops a heartbeat and brain function, is not alive.

>>725381255
yeah, that makes no sense. The classic liberal position is to up entitlement programs. I don't understand your argument.

>>725381409
>I don't understand your argument
You are correct about this. My comment was not relevant to "social programs".

masturbation is only murder if you don't recycle your cum by eating it

>>725381783
eating your own semen is called cannibalism

>>725376006

Being pregnant or having given birth doesn't give you some kind of magical philosophical wisdom so no, you don't have to have. Feelings != solid reasoning.

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>>725374760
See, that's what I don't understand. If people think that abortions are ok because the child isnt a person yet, that's all well and good, but if someone kills a pregnant woman he shouldn't get charged with a double homicide either.

>>725383176
#doublestandards

>>725382140
No, it's just gay.

Abortion isn't murder, masturbation isn't murder, it's very simple

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the best

>>725376006

I have an opinion on it and I haven't created life. What are you going to do about it faggot?

Sex is murder because that baby will die

>>725374760
>Lang Langer

>>725374405
golden Monty Python

>>725379524
Only one person with a logical, fact driven opinion?

I agree that viability is a great starting point for the conversation.

>>725374299
I bet you're loads of fun

>>725374299
>get a scratch
>you are now a murderer, those skin cells are dead

>>725378956
>Human of 44 chromosomes
Have you always been this retarded? No wonder you think abortion is murder.

>>725385875
This.

>>725384414
Underrated post.

>>725380138
>Most women can still work up until the third trimester.
Can? Technically. They shouldn't though. >Women in office jobs like that do get maternity leave.
Wow what a luxury.