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Trump wants to add 54 billion to the military budget.

That amount would pay for most of, if not all of, free collage for students.

>>724278714
*college

it would cover collages too.

>>724278714
Free college should be done with online classes. Currently colleges are bloated with far too many useless administrative bureaucrats who watch YouTube videos and do paperwork all day. I like the idea of a sensible common baseline for people who can handle college level material, but it needs to be efficient.

>>724278714
Also
>don't elect Hillary, she wants more expensive wars
>lol brb let's spend more on the military, we totally won't start a bunch more wars we have no intention of finishing

bernie, the knight you need but dosen't deserve

>>724279203

To your first point, if schools are full of bloat in the administration, that is a separate problem to be fixed. I dont think making only online classes free is the solution. Plus, I kinda think online education is like home schooling and is only for socially retarded cucks.

To your second point, I dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

>>724279290
i no rite.

I feel the Rebublicucks are always talking about smaller government and less spending and then they always end up spending a shit ton on retarded shit like destabilizing the middle east.

>>724278714
please provide source

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>>724277558

>>724279935

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/us/politics/trump-budget-military.html

Thats the 54 billion. I heard the thing about it being able to pay for education on the radio. Let me see if I can find something.

>>724279935
>please provide source
are you retarded?

>>724278714
Ye it would be so much better going towards education, from kindergarten to university, not just colleges. America has an average iq of 90, its not more military thats needed.

>>724279935
>>724280161

I couldnt find anything about what i heard but I found an (older) article saying it would cost about 70 billion. Not that far off.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/heres-exactly-how-much-the-government-would-have-to-spend-to-make-public-college-tuition-free/282803/

>>724279765
>let's have an infrastructure program
good idea since Obama fucked this up when he tried
>let's actually control our borders
good idea since both sides have fucked this up for decades
>let's remove excessive regulations
mixed on this; define 'excessive'; don't want another financial crisis
>let's not fight Russia; let's avoid pointless wars in general
sounds good
>let's control the debt burden, Obama racked up so much debt after the crisis
yep we better cut spending on unneeded things and maybe consider some taxes to patch up the deficit
>let's massively cut taxes on the rich like my cool friends in the cabinet, make that infra program A TRILLION DOLLARS, and actually let's increase military spending anyway just for the hell of it
wtf is this shit; we're going to lose our reserve currency status and succumb to our debt burden like Britain after WWII at this rate

>>724280414
article is from 2014. something from 2017 please

>>724280211

I know a lot of liberals hate it, but I think education should be the same school to school and controlled nation wide from one central office.

I think there could be a lot of benefit from the entire school system working off one lesson plan, and one set of books. Both in terms of savings and stopping bible belt shit stains from fucking up kids with their fairy tails and science avoidance.

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>>724278714
Lol

Here, I'll solve this in a few bullets
>stop subsidizing loans
>stop giving degrees for gender studies
>demphasize having a degree
>emphasize having a trade

>>724280672

Couldnt find anything that gave a number from 2017. This is from last summer so it's less than a year old.

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/28/487794394/hillary-s-free-tuition-promise-what-would-it-cost-how-would-it-work

>>724280884
What'cha driving at stranger?

>>724280884
Per capita is a bullshit statistic to use because Saudi Arabia is way smaller.

>>724281123
Bar graphs always look different from another angle.

Also it would be foolish to assume that bump in military spending wasn't going to go to things like the VA as well as the other unnecessary bullshit we don't need.

>>724280697
Actually that's exactly what most liberals want. Easier to make sure Jews and blacks stay at the top of the victim hierarchy that way.

>>724280940

Why stop subsidizing loans?

I am fine with people getting stupid degrees, but the gov't shouldn't pay for them.

I agree, not everyone needs a classic college education.

This is the big thing. We need plumbers and shit like that. It's going to be a long time before a robot is rolling up to your door to fix your sink and fuck your wife.

>>724281280
Almost like that was the intention of the graph?

Trump met with business CEOs this week. They told him there are plenty of jobs but not enough trained or qualified Americans to fill them. Bernie's plan is to tax speculative trading which creates no goods or services but lines the pockets of those fortunate enough to be able to participate. Republicans point to a failing public school system, and plan to privatize it, yet they are the first to cut funding for the schools.

>>724277558
Conservatives:
Liberals are dum
Liberals:
Conservatives are dum

Hey guys let's just beat off browse memes and stop pretending any of the politicians in America give a fuck about us fugly neets

>>724277558
Dumb motherfucker

He outlined exactly where the money would come from on his site

Mostly corrupt corporations exploiting loopholes

You would know this if you had more than one brain cell

>>724281293

Yeah, and some or more valuable than others.

I don't see the value of the per capita statistic compared to overall spending. Small, rich countries is what mainly comprises that list. The USA probably has the biggest population on that list which proves even more that we spend a shit ton.

>>724281401
The EU ran a study a few years ago showing that taxing financial trading would lop off an entire 1% from GDP within 20 years while raising only a few tens of billions. That's absurd. Extremely inefficient in terms of tax revenue raised vs economic damage. Much better to tax income or inheritance-- more efficient and still captures some of the revenue from trading anyway since high-income people are doing it.

>>724281460

Which is exactly what they want you cuck.

As soon as a population thinks like that their government has won.

We need to move closer to lopping off heads than "fuck it, let it happen".

>>724281926

When I think of good economic prowess, I think of the EU.

>>724281540
yep he'll just tell them that they need to pay up, and it'll all be better.

He's a wet lipped doddering old fool, who has no clue how the business world works because he's never had a job.

I hope he's raped by the same pack of niggers that he claims all women desire to be with.

>>724281401

We should start with free education for just the fields we need.

>>724282136

Thank god we got Donnie The Orange instead.

>>724282131
Do you have any idea how much money electronic trading saved for pension funds and long-term investors by narrowing the bid-ask spreads in the market? This shit used to be done by humans, who inherited the "floor specialist" jobs from their fathers half the time, and charged 10x-20x as much on the spread. I don't want to go back to a system like that. It's better to leave the robots in charge and not throw sand in the gears of the economy. All the studies say they improve liquidity and reduce price fluctuations too, even for big investors like pension funds and mutual funds.

>>724278714

It's been determined that a powerful military is more important to our country than free college.

>>724282512

What?

So taxing financial trading means they cant use computers?

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>>724277558

>>724282627

True, the military really has gotten us out of some sticky situations in the last 15 years,

>>724282839

It's funny that Bush is kinda cute now.

>>724282136
You're right, let's elect a glorified landlord instead. He knows all about business. Oh wait, the only successful businesses he has are based on licensing his NAME only. He doesn't manage them. His startups have all failed and the only reason he's wealthy is because he's a fucking land baron.

>>724282649
It means spreads will widen out to absorb the tax, so that the traders quoting the spreads still make money. The tax won't be paid by the traders. It will be paid by the pension funds, mutual funds, etc. And by the loss of GDP growth that results from having less efficient capital markets apparently. It's much better to just tax income directly-- it doesn't cause as severe of distortions relative to the amount of revenue raised.

>>724283080

He is also pretty wealthy for being a famous asshole like mean British guy or Angry Douche Chef.

>>724283320

Ah, that makes sense at a high level.

>>724283636
>True
He also used his tabloid notoriety and reality TV stardom to grow his name as a brand.

But The Donald is no Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, or even Henry Ford. And Ford was a bigger degenerate racist but at least he innovated and paid his employees.

>>724278714
Pay for your own college like everyone else did. Get a fucking job you lazy millennial. Everyone has to start at the bottom. Go flip fucking burgers like your parent did at your age you lazy fuck.

>>724283977

Look on the bright side.

Putin is a pretty cool guy. Eh rigs elections and doesn’t afraid of democracy.

>>724284274
Good call. Let's just save time and have Vlad annex the US next.

>>724284159
I like this bait. It's stupid but not overboard. Solid 8/10

>>724282393
Nigger, it's still better than some commie who can't distinguish between import and export

>>724280697
The biggest issue with that: If there's a hole in the education system, say, there's no European history class, then nobody will know anything about Europe, and we'll have issues with politicians saying more dumb shit than they do already

>>724284560

It's not tho.

>>724284274
>America never interfered in Russian politics

>>724284590

If that really was the biggest issue I would be thrilled.

>>724284159
when my parents grew up there was a much higher minimum wage, and college was so much cheaper. not really comparable at all

>>724278714
College is a waste of time. The reason we have so many dumb degrees nowadays is because colleges are rinsing the government for their money. They can't believe how good they have it. Make up any old bullshit and those stupid fucks in government will still pay for it. It's the best scam of all time.

>>724284952
>when my parents grew up there was a much higher minimum wage, and college was so much cheaper.
So, they lived in time when less snowflakes attended university, keeping the tuition cost low?
B-ut but sociology degree is great, amirite?

>>724285097

I am fine with only specific degrees that we need more of being free.

I never went to college. I'm in IT and make 90K. I drive a brand new BMW. Don't waste your time in college. Just do what you're good at and be willing to start at the bottom.

>>724277558
Based /b/ernie.

>>724279203
I'd like to see this expanded upon. It seems doable with enforced baseline criteria and accreditation checks. With decreased professor-student reaction we'd need to make up for the lack of human interaction by having them take multiple (and practical) internships. Maybe imclude biweekly, year-round guidance/group discussions hosted with professors taught how to actually educate people.

Of course there are influential groups standing in the way of this, namely the (high profit) educational loan conglomerates and established colleges/universities with influential and loyal alumni

The liberal arts are great but lets be honest, let's leave them to the smarter kids on scholarships and rich dumb bitches looking for her Mrs.

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>>724285840
How did you learn what you needed to know? I'm in my 30's, failed out of college because all I cared about was drugs and alcohol and poontang. I'm doing okay financially but I hate my life. Thinking of going back to school and I've also considered teaching myself to code, but the latter seems pretty difficult without teachers.

>>724279765
>I feel the Rebublicucks are always talking about smaller government and less spending and then they always end up spending a shit ton on retarded shit
That is why I went independent...I'm so sick of their shit.

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>>724278714
>after an 8 year absence liberals suddenly give a fuck about war spending and the military budget again

Where were you when god king obama was adding 4 trillion deficits for the same reason?

>>724285454
Who gives a fuck what you're fine with? It's none of your business. If college wants to offer a degree, they can. If it's a shit degree, people won't take it. If it's a good degree, they will. The only things that will stop shit degrees failing is the government being involved.

Saying you're fine with it shows what an entitled little fuck you are. It has nothing to do with your dumbass.

>>724286122
Don't learn code. Learn unix/linix, shell scripting and SQL (oracle). Start in computer operation or help desk in and then work your way up.

>>724286219
not that anon but i was sending letters to my representatives. more people should

>>724285454
But then that would flood the market with a host of inexperienced people with those degrees.

>>724286433
good work actually anon, I applaud you.

>>724285422
Here's the deal:

Wages have failed to keep up with inflation for the past several decades. Additionally, tuition costs have universally quadrupled in that same period. (Liberal Arts and STEM)

On top of that, there is generation pressure to obtain a 4 year degree. So much so that it is written into most entry level professional job requirements.

Finally, while there is a shortage of skilled tradesmen in the US it's not enough keep the majority of people employed. And when you add in attrition in other sectors due to increased automation there will simply be very few high paying non-college degree jobs within the next couple generations.

Get comfy with the Basic Universal Income and massive unemployment or optimistically some kind of Post-Scarcity economics because that's where we're headed.

>>724286257
Nigger, what are you going on about.

>>724286566

Yeah, that's the point. If there is a demand, you will get a flood or people that you need.

>>724286645
You're saying you're fine with it like it's up to you to design the way things are. It's not. Same with everyone in this thread. You don't need to come up with a solution, you just need to get the fuck out of the way.

>>724278714
>Trump wants to add 54 billion to the military budget
America has bottomless pockets for bullshit, but can't scrounge a cent for it's own citizens

>>724287611
>protecting our country and creating a loyal military because they are well paid is bullshit.

>>724287799
Dumping 50 billion into a military industrial complex which already receives 600 billion is kinda bullshit.

>>724288037
No one is paying for you to have free stuff. Work for it.

>>724286426
How did you teach yourself? Online classes?

>>724288208
It's cool. I'm a gov't subcontractor. I'm part of the problem.

I just happen to know folks that have gone bankrupt due to medical expenses and feel like maybe that money can be put to more humane domestic use. Call me a bleeding heart...

>>724284159
College costs way more nowadays because of the government being involved.

>>724288246
books and google is your friend. I'm also in my 30's. In 3 years I went from computer operator (very little IT experience needed with high school degree only required) to System Automation Admin to Oracle Retail Database Admin.
>http://www1.salary.com/Oracle-Database-Administrator-salary.html

>>724278714
RIP

Postdoctoral Associate @ MIT EAPS / CGCS / IDSS studying the interactions between climate, clouds, and air quality:

Cutting .@NOAA funding the day after #tornado forecasts saved lives in an outbreak is not only stupid: it's downright dangerous.

https://twitter.com/danrothenberg/status/837859409699176449

>>724288843
Shit man, some serious food for thought here. Thanks /b/ro!

>>724284560
Dumb motherfucker, stop posting

>>724284560
Commies are based.