what is /b/'s opinion about abortion???

>>724132254
Women should have the right but I just hope they don't exercise it

>>724132254
necessary evil

>>724132254
Why the fuck should I care if somebody shits anotherfucking kid into this world, or waits 5 yearsto do it then? Why should I care if somebody has a diffrent skin color? Why should I care if anybody has a diffrent religious or political view then I have? Whyshould I care if somebody belives sciences is always right? Why should I care if somebody belives that any of the shit in the bible is real? Truth be told, anybody interferring with other peoples personal life should be fucked in the ass by an telephone poll.

>>724132254
I was generally pro-choice until I learned about all the mental and health problems that accompany women who get abortions

>>724132254
There's already a population problem with our planet. Less people = less poverty.
I'm a guy, and I think it's fucked up women aren't allowed control over their own bodies. Also that guys don't have a say whether they should keep it or not.
I'm all for it, for the right reasons.

i mean if they didn't want to have the kid in the first place i dont see why not

I'm pro.

Pro-abortion, not just pro-choice.

>upside
i like cause its killing a kid

>downside
i dont like it cause its giving the women right to choose

i am pro choice but think its an immoral thing to do

>>724133044
it must suck to be you

>>724132254
In all seriousness, I think abortion is worse than slavery or the holocaust, and off the top of my head, I can't think of a greater human evil in history.

It's murder.

It's not your body, it's your baby's body.

If you don't want to get pregnant, use contraception.

The only grey area for me is women who get raped, in that case I can understand, but using this as an argument is dishonest and selfish. The amount of cases like this are negligible.

Take responsibility and stop playing God, you will pay the price for it.

>>724132254
>implying slavery started in 1815
Have you liberals ever actually read a history book?
Fucking ignorant fascists.

>>724133209
> biblethumper on /b/

youre still going to hell.

>>724132254
I am 100% pro abortion
There are too damn many people on this planet using up our limited resources
If you want kids so badly, adopt
There are hundreds of thousands of kids who would love to have parents to care for them

>>724133044
this

>>724133209
>It's murder.
And?

>>724132749
They had these problems before

Used to be all pro. Now doubtful, mostly because I hear no real argument from the pro side. Just "womans right to choose" stuff.

But the question for me always was "when does a fetus become human" and no one ever wants to discuss this. Which leaves me thinking they have no reasoning to back up their position.

>>724133209
>If you don't want to get pregnant, use contraception.

>implying third worlds or poor people are that aware about contraceptives or can get them easily

>>724133209

>you will pay the price for it
You're telling me! Abortions are fucking expensive!
I always ask if we can just do the stair trick to save some money, but they never agree to it.

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>>724133209
Don't forget what the majority of abortions are for, incest, deformed babies most likely to die or suffer greatly in life, to save the mothers life due to complications in pregnancy. Very few people can afford or do use it just cause they don't want a kid

>>724133322
0/10

>>724133413
Do you think it's some other species at some point? It's human always.

Idk what to think, I mean it kills babies so yeah course, but then again it gives women a choice

>>724133423
>implying abortion is a realistic alternative to contraception to solve overpopulation in the third world

>>724133413
Most say when they gain consciousness after 20 weeks. That's even when most abortion doctors won't do them.

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>>724133410
Well yeah obviously women have problems but you see women who get abortions have 200%+ increased chance of becoming alcoholics or substance abusers and falling into depression. When you get pregnant your body's hormones change for the baby. When you get an abortion you still have the adjusted hormones but no baby and now your body and mind/emotions is completely whack.

>>724133550
When did I ever say that? I agree better access to contraceptives and sex ed is a better alternative to abortions.

Shame that Republicans want to defund PP cus muh tax money going for abortions!!! even though it's already illegal for them to use tax money for abortions.

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The Schofield Kid: [after killing a man for the first time] It don't seem real... how he ain't gonna never breathe again, ever... how he's dead. And the other one too. All on account of pulling a trigger.
Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have.
The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming.
Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

>>724133209
>and stop playing God

Dumbest and most over-used argument, even assuming Allah exists.

All we do is play god. If god had his way we'd be happy to live past 40.

>>724133497
So is every egg a human of its own? Every sperm? Or is it after the first cell division? No, two cells does not a human make.

daily reminder: If you are anti abortion but still eat meat you need to kys

>>724133478
93% of abortions in germany are of perfectly healthy babies

>>724133127
That's because you're stupid.

If a woman can't afford to have the kid, feed the kid, house the kid, or raise the kid...who takes care of the unwanted kid?

>>724132796
They are allowed control over their bodies; contraceptives
and condoms, not having sex

>>724133720
>what does fungible mean?

>>724133209
So is jacking off murder?

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>>724132254
I want an "abort"O"ray" that I can just point at preggos and fix the problem.
Se a moron who has bred?
*ZAP* "Muh babby!"
Problem fixed.

Mount it to a satellite and tune it to hit everyone with an IQ under 110 every week.
*ZAP*
Hey, remember when there were idiots all over? Where did they all go?"

>>724133753
>citation required

>>724132254
Dear Anon, my opinion is as follows:
Why the gittering Jesus's flappy dick do you think this board is /pol/?

>>724133737
What kind of fucking retard thinks that because a fetus is a distinct human life that somehow an egg is too? WTF and people say libtards love science.

>>724133871
searching for it now

>>724133424
$300 bucks isn't that bad.

>>724133750
>if you fuck women and won't fuck sheep you're degenerate
wut?

>>724132254
niggers aren't people, they're farm animals. some day horses and cows will have the same rights as niggers and they'll be rioting and looting for better treatment

>>724133413
Roughly 3 months in is when fetuses first start developing a hint of brain activity, before then they are just a husk

>>724133728
Trumptard: We repealed the ACA and killed 20 million Americans, fuck Yeah! Suck it cucks!

>>724133780
I'm not stupid at all. I just don't share your view that it's more humane to snuff out the life of a human being because his mother is poor. I get that that's wha passes for compassion on the Left, but it sounds like eugenics to me.

>>724133887
See
>>724133497
>always

>>724133720
PP claims to be a non profit and yet they sell aborted baby parts under the table for quick cash

>>724132254
The same way i feel about most people. Incinerate the stupid worthless trash.

Automatic, niggers, Indians, abo, mudslime, gypsy, slavs, chinese, all of indo, mongols, native Americans, I'm sure there's more...

>>724133813
Are liberals really this fucking stupid?

>>724133800
As someone else has mentioned, if they're in a third world situation or raped, and those things aren't possible, they should be allowed the option.
It's also about the kid. If the mother doesn't want it, and won't be able to provide a comfortable life for herself or it, there's no winner in that result. So why is the 'sanctity of life' supposed to be so compelling. Humans shit on everything in this world, including and sometimes especially each other.
But this is somehow more horrific than all the other shit we do?

>>724133921
if you think a cluster of cells is more a life than a living animal youre fucked in the head

It's population control for poor people, I'm actually surprised conservatives and alt-right are against it.

Like, it's a gift horse for you.

>>724133985
So no we know what a partisan hysteric thinks. Thanks.

>>724133999
What's your fucking problem? Moran...

>>724133887
When is the combination of a sperm and an egg a person? At what point does a mass of cells become a fetus?

US law basically says that once a fetus is potentially capable of surviving outside the womb it is a person. Abortion is only legal when terminating a pregnancy before this happens.

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>>724133977
This is now a get thread

>>724133981
OK, so that's 12 week. The other dude said 20 weeks.
This is what really needs to be discussed. It's not yes or no, but how far along.

>>724134016
What is your point?

>>724133999
The compassion of the right is to allow the baby ti be born, cut the welfare of the poor mom, so the mom and kid grow up to be niggers and then bitch about niggers.
>>724134033
literally O Keefe fake news

>>724132254
this shit should be free and so should all forms of bc

if you don't want the kid then this is the best way to prevent a strain on the rest of the public

>>724134106
It is a living animal, you fucking moron. And it's human, not pork life or beef.

>>724134041
At what point do you believe a fertilized egg becomes a person with rights?

Early term only. Late term abortions I have a little trouble with.

When a fetus hits that point of not necessarily consciousness but when it starts to interact with its environment, with its mother. That's when I say, no you gotta deal with it now.

In a sense once something becomes a human being it becomes ethically questionable to abort.

Inb4, so you think fetuses aren't human

>>724134106
Humans protect humans.
Not all life is equal.
It would be the epitome of cuckery to protect another animal over a person

>>724134107
But then they can't get the glory of how they love babies and don't want to see them killed.

>>724132669
libertarian

>>724134107
I'm surprised that liberals who are for killing the poor in utero pretend that they care about the poor, and that when black women abort at a rate three times higher than white women, that liberals embrace killing so many niglets while claiming that cons are racist.

Everyone who thinks abortion is ok should go experience it.

>>724134207
> fucked in the head

>>724134077

Not the other faggot but the point is that murder is murder and life is life. You want to talk about other shit start a new thread. The question really boils down to whether you believe life beings at conception or not. If so then it's a human life and it should be protected like we would any other in our care.

>>724134188
>O'keefe fake news
>proof is on audio and video
>further proof would be found with financial audit

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>>724132254
literally not a person

nor is a zygote

nor is my jizz

obviously it's sadder the further along the mother is, but the alternative is an overpopulated planet where trailer trash fuck machines have dozens of kids fed by your tax dollars.

>>724134122
Which is pragmatic to a point. But various parasites and symbiots can never live without their host animal. Are they not alive then? Trivial organisms as they may be.

>>724134231
>not all life is equal

It is though. Entropy and death come for everything.

>>724132749
I was pro HEART TRANSPLANTS until I learned about all the mental and health problems that accompany patients who get them

>>724134231
so when the child is born society should do everything to care of that child?

>>724134106

You're just as much a cluster of cells you fucking moron. Go grab a biology book before we start to stab your head with a coat hanger.

>>724134122
I'm aware what the law is. I don't look to it to teach me what is moral or immoral.
The combination of sperm and egg is a person when the combination creates a new, unique DNA profile and begins cell division. That's my take, anyway. I know some people say you have to be viable, or white, or something, for your life to count. I don't go that route.

If the excuse is just "I was an irresponsible slut and I am willing to literally go over dead bodies to not ever face the consequences of my retarded decision like the entitled princess I am", the no, thats a weak argument. If the baby is going to have a really shitty illness and is likely to killy you during birth, then yes

>>724134456
>edited video and edited audio

Into the trash it goes

>>724132254
Go for it, It's their decision, Those that think about it and decide to do it have probably evaluated their lives to know that bringing a kid up would be bad for them, or they coouldn't handle it and those that are too stupid to be able to evaluate their lives to decide that they couldnt raise a child and they go for it then that's good for the kid, the kid wouldve probably grown up in a bad living environment which would've then reflected onto society as he grew older.

>>724132254
anyone who is unmarried and doesn't make a certain amount of money should have to abort their pregnancy. The income should dictate the amount of children you're allowed to have. A husband and wife who makes a minimum of $60,000 a year should be allowed one child, $120,000 a year allows 2 children and so on. Anyone whose I.Q. is under 115 should be sterilized

>>724134571
So you're saying people don't have the right to prevent accidental pregnancies?

>>724134563
before you have a brain you are nothing. What would have happened if you were aborted? Literally nothing.

>>724134420
that black woman could then have a better life without having to care for a child and denote her resources to it. she then has the opportunity to devoting those resources to furthering her education, holding a steady job, or whatever else she needs to do to advance in society.

why would you want to burden dirt poor women with half a dozen kids by taking away their option to choose to abort?

it should be legal, but you should pay for it your fucking self

>>724132254
We need a compromise for the definition of human life. Somewhere in between the extremes of conception and birth.

>>724134135
It's never okay.
>>724134188
that's wrong, though. I get that that is what liberals tell themselves to salve their conscience, but I know LOTS of people who are pro-life who do a shit ton of stuff to help mothers who need help.
>>724134213
At conception
>>724134447
Says the cannibal

>>724134571
yeah literally all women who get abortions are entitled sluts

>people non ironically think this

>>724133999
Eugenics: the science of improving a human population by controlled breeding to increase the occurrence of desirable heritable characteristics.

Forcing people to have children who don't want, and can't care for them is humane?

And since you assume I'm part of the 'left', I'll go ahead and assume you're part of the cuckservative movement. How do you justify forcing every child to be carried to term while simultaneously cutting welfare, education, child care, healthcare and nutrition assistance? Do you just really want a generation of people who have no opportunities or happiness in their lives to contrast to your own miserable existence?

What kind of compassion is it to force people to exist in a world that doesn't want, need, or care for them in the slightest?

>>724132749
If religious fucknugs didn't judge them for having an abortion, the mental issues probably wouldn't even be there. The main reason for them having mental issues or trauma because of it is because it isn't viewed as perfectly alright.

>>724134638
>literally nothing

Actually alot of things happen in an abortion. Kek

>>724134518

The alternative is we stop incentivizing people to have more and more children outside of stable relationships. If you glorify single mothers and normalize abortion are you surprised society goes to shit and everyone is just fucking and birthing or aborting on the tax payers dime?

>>724134626
Thats not at all what I said. wtf? I was even implying that preventing pregnancies (if you dont want one) would be a responsible decision

>>724134626
>prevent
someone needs to look up abortion in the dictionary

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If the fetus can survive and live outside the mother then Abortion is murder. So basically you're good to go until that point. That's my line anyway, and what most of this argument is about, peoples personal line as to when life begins.

>>724134696
>Do you just really want a generation of people who have no opportunities or happiness in their lives
Of course he does. They're called wage slaves.

>>724134611
So no one outside of USA should have any children based on you money argument?

>>724134549
Worth is subjective and humans have decided that intelligent human life is worth more than any other animal. Take two seconds to look at what happens to a dog or other animal that attacks a person

>>724133871
found something like it, this it from the netherlands, not germany but in short it states that 9.3% of abortions are in hospitals and 90,7% in clinics.

In dutch hospitals healthy baby's aren't aborted, so women have to go to clinics(which cost money).

the relefant part is somewhat further down the page at "Aantal zwangerschapsafbrekingen in ziekenhuizen blijft licht stijgen"

go ahead w/ googel translate if you don't trust me

https://fiom.nl/kenniscollectie/abortus/cijfers-en-feiten-abortus

>>724134645
I am not impregnating black women, anon. I just don't want to kill their children, like you do.

>>724134727
oh, so if we outlaw abortion then all the baby mommas will suddenly get married and have stable relationships.

and no, everyone isn't having abortion parties if you legalize it. because the same people who want to legalize abortion want women to have better access to

BIRTH
CONTROL

>>724134694
Another one with nice reading comprehension. Please read again and notice the part where I mention how it can be ok

>>724134725
> something the literally has no way of comprehending anything is removed

Yeah, lets mourn for every one of my million of sperms i just ejaculated

>>724133478
Nice bait, but you got those numbers flipped a bit there pallio

>>724134681
But the pro-life party, AKA Republicans are literally the ones who fuck over those poor black wymyn. For example trying to defund PP over and over, when they offer services other than abortion, like actual family planning, condoms, pills and shit. Cutting benefits from actual working black people, yeah they arent all welfare leeches, even though most people believe it.

>>724134560
>comparing heart transplants to abortions
>deliberately misinterpreting the point
abortions CAUSE health problems
try again retard

>>724134420

that is one way to look at it, I don't necessarily disagree. planned parenthood was originally created by a racist lady who had every intention of politely "let me take that burden off of your hands ;)", and it caught on since they strategically placed them near poor neighborhoods and it wasn't really a problem until lots of white women started using it as well.... that's why people take issue now.

also, both parties are racist in their own way. alt-right has it's blatant racists who generally are up front about it... the left has their "let me help take the burden off of your hands" type of racists who enable poverty and complacency in those neighborhoods but somehow have convinced themselves that t hey're doing them a favor.

that's my take on it anyways.

>>724132377

Be a good Christian like Anon here - drop toddlers off buildings

>>724134681
>life begins at conception

Kindly fuck off with that. Cause it's a bullshit argument. If that's the case life begins when I bust in a tube sock.

>>724133209
>It's murder, use something that's not 100% effective and if you still get pregnant well tough shit for you
do you realise why you should be considered mentally challenged?

>>724134804
Their decision, not mine. If they think they can properly care for a child and that becoming a parent fits with their personal goals, then they should have the kid. If they don't want to become a parent, wouldn't make a good parent, and think that having a child would drag them further into poverty, they shouldn't be forced to have a kid.

>>724134765
It should be a set number globally, whatever the equivalent is in each country

>>724134843
>I said literally nothing happens
>he called me on it
>my retort is telling him I jack off

You're nailing it.

>>724134696
It's pointlessly partisan to make the question of abortion one of the welfare state. Either the life of an innocent human being has intrinsic value, or it doesn't. It is not contingent on welfare benefits. And when liberals use the poverty of people to justify abortion and tolerate the fact that black babies are aborted at a rate 3 times higher, they are de facto eugenicists.

>>724134723
Wrong, mental issues as a result can be caused by guilt but mostly by massive hormonal imbalances

>>724134950
> I have no reading comprehension

>>724134723
It could be that they feel guilty for killing their own child, but I get your point, that atheists lack conscience.

>>724134833
You're the one who said it. You actually women go out there and fuck and get abortions because they're retarded and entitled. And then you said some get it for medical reasons, which is the only time it's okay.

>>724132254
Whether or not they're a person is irrelevant. So long as the pregnancy wasn't intended, the woman does not owe them the womb space and nutrients they survive on.

>>724133413
Alright, what if the women and/or their spouse have realised that they cannot bring a child up or if they do it will be in a bad living environment and they don't want to put it through that? what if they realised that they then can't give it a loving home to stay in and eventually give it up to adoption? the child will then grow up with people who aren't his biological parents and that will stick with him through his entire life, ontop of other things. If women can evaluate and realise in their life that they cannot bring up a child safely, securely, or right then they should be able to actually make the choice.

>>724134961
>has to find a way to loop it into black people

You're doin great.

>>724134638

It's a matter of what is a moral choice. If you rightly believe that life begins at conception then it's a life and should be afforded protection.

Abortion just shifts more and more personal responsibility off of individuals and forces the costs of their mistakes and the costs of progressive "norms" for sexual behavior on the rest of us.

Fuck all that. Latisha should have grown up with a Dad and fear getting preggo so she makes Damarqas wrap his shit up. As it stands she knows that she can either bust out a vacuum or look for a hand out and uncle sam will pay for it all in the end.

Life begins at conception. Abortion is immoral and is at the core of an immoral societal shift to progressive nanny state bullshit.

They're not a citizen until they're born so they should have no legal protection under the Country's Law.

I'm not paying taxes to enforce the protection of something that has like a 2% chance of becoming a beneficial member of society.

Abortions need to be more available, with public transportation available. It's just a better use of government to allow abortions instead of supporting them with welfare, fostering resentment.

>>724135005
>I know
>I'll say he can't read
>surely that will win me this argument he's not having with me

You're doin super.

>>724133413

No, conservatives have shifted the argument to "when the fetus brcomes human" to avoid the more difficult moral and ethical arguments concerning autonomy, choice, and medical practice.

Do dividing cells live? Technically, yes. Could a fetus be accurately compared to a parasite? Yes, as it feeds from the mother and offers nothing back symbiotically. Are either of these arguments helpful? No. So they're the only ones conservatives want to have.

Obfuscation ftw.

>>724134869
again, how fucking retarded are liberals who can't distinguish jizz in a sock from a fetus
>hurr durr, we're the party of science
jesus fucking christ

>>724134869

It's not conception if you blow in a fucking tube sock. Do you not know how babies are made?

>>724135007
It's not a question of lacking conscience or not, actually why am I bothering to try and defend my point, you're a religious fucknug too. Just because someone's atheist doesn't make them have no or lack conscience.

>>724134681
Anecdotal evidence IS NOT evidence. It's actually a fallacy.

I wish no one would ever get an abortion. I do not feel I have the moral authority to declare that cells meeting is suddenly a human being, especially since the conglomeration of cells cannot survive without a host.

A fertilized egg is more parasite than person. Until it has the potential to be its own being, it is not a separate entity from the mother carrying it. And since it is part of the mother, she can do with it what she wills.

Whether that decision is moral, ethical, or otherwise is each person's dilemma to wrestle with themselves.

I believe in freedom, unlike conservatives.

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>>724134681
any of you fucks adopt the children that you want to protect so bad or do you just want to make me pay for them with my tax dollars?

>>724134934
what is adoption? what is not spreading your legs and fucking some partner with no protection?
>They are too stupid to use a condom, but wise enough to know which human lives are disposable.

>>724135017
Yeah? So I didnt say that literally all of them just want an abortion because of being an entitled slut.

>>724135119
Tell Republicans to quit fucking with PP and stop being prudes and allow better sex ed in schools. Bitching about LIBRULs and abortion is retarded when it would be better to allow better sex ed and widespread access to contraceptives.

>>724135166
When 2 cells start dividing it IS NOT a fetus. It is a mass of cells. It is a microscopic blob.

>>724135166
what about a zygote? do zygotes get into heaven?

>>724134990
And the guilt part of it can be a large factor simply because it isn't clearly viewed as alright. The majority of the people that don't find it not alright who are religious aren't even in a place themselves where they should get to make statements on whether something that doesn't even effect them should be alright or not.

>>724135119
So if i think having hats is immoral nobody should be allowed to wear hats because im a sensitive snowflake and will get super upset when people wear hats?

>>724135230
>Anecdotal evidence IS NOT evidence. It's actually a fallacy.
fallacy fallacy
discarted

Anecdotal evidence can be evidence

>>724135158
The question of autonomy actually raises the issue of the fetus' rights. You can't face that two parties are involved in a pregnancy.

>>724135153
> oh shit I didnt understand his post, Ill start greentexting instead.

gg

>>724135257
>muh hard earned munney
>muh tax dollars
kys

>>724134856
and heart transplants CAUSE health problems

an abortion treats the health problem of a parasite growing in a woman's womb until it is strong enough to become a parasite for the rest of the country

>>724135141

But you'll pay taxes on the millions of fatherless children being raised in this country? Do you think that epidemic happened by accident? Or do you think it just might have had something to do with the systematic removal of personal responsibility when it comes to pregnancy over the last 40 years?

You fuckers can't see the forest for the trees

How can any of you care about what happens to someone else's body or a fetus inside it? It has nothing to do with you and It's none of your business. If people wanted to start dropping their babies off 20 story buildings, it's still has nothing to do with you. mind your business, faggots

>>724135257
Nigga you are replying to the wrong people you fucking idiot. How the fuck is "Necessary evil" for birth?

>>724135262
>what are efforts to shut down their access to planned parenthood so they can't get birth control and we see a spike both in pregnancies and abortions.

If you really wanted to prevent abortions, you'd want to expand access to the pill, IUDs, and all other forms of birth control.

>>724135257
yes, i'm planning on adopting later in life

>>724132641

Kinda. A women shouldn't have the right to kill a kid just because it's inside her at the moment. But I *think* abortions might be necessary in certain circumstances.

>>724135166
>I'll call him a liberal
>that'll make me look smarterer than he is

There is quite the distinction actually between sperm and a fetus. However they share the similarity, to a certain point regarding fetuses, that they lack consciousness. They're fulfilling an automatic biological function. Why does one mass of cells get more value than the next? Because of its potential? Sperm does have the potential to become a fetus so shouldn't we treat it similarly according to the idea of both having potential to become something.

I got a brain and I'm using it.

Pro-choice, obviously.

if you are smart enough to fuck but too dumb to get protection, have fun with the child

>>724134565
Well then I respectfully disagree with you.

Since that argument between us is intractable: my main contention then becomes that whoever wishes to risk their soul should be allowed to do so. You cannot value both freedom and forcing women to carry children to term against their will.

I value freedom more than enforced morality,

>>724135285
You basically boil it down to sluts vs have medical issues when it comes down to abortions. We all know most of those aborted babies don't have medical issues.

>>724135404
>don't kill zygote
>kill yourself
kek

Its funny that the people who are "pro-life" always wants to bomb people from poor countries and refuse poor social security and healthcare.

>>724135486
>smart enough to fuck

Ha.

>>724135302
>>724135307
I grant you papal dispensation to abort two-cell fetuses, but at three cells, it is murder
As for who gets into Heaven, that's not any interest of mine

>>724135199
>do you not know how babies are made

Kek. Here's your (You) now kill yourself.

>>724135337

morals are not as subjective as that. It's the basic principle that life is valuable which is why murder is immoral. If we all can't agree that at least innocent life is valuable and murder of it is immoral we might as well pack up and go live in bomb shelters because society is going to crumble.

>>724135486
Gee, who's fault it is that people are retarded when it comes to sex because of the lack of good sex ed and contraceptives?

>>724135393
>says bullshit about greentext
>while green texting

Someone sure seems like a stupid ass hypocrite kek.

>>724135448
bitch their are children being born today that only got to that point because you yell at their mother as she was going into the clinic

start adopting today or stfu and let those people make their own decision

>>724135257

Retards bitching about having to pay tax is one of the dumbest arguments there is. You have two choices, dipshit. Either march your ass into the wilderness and live your own life, or live in society and pay your taxes.

>>724135419
yeah until that women because a depressed alcoholic and either dies of suicide, alcohol poisoning or OD via some other substance, or gets institutionalized

>>724135404
how many children are you paying for then?

>>724135618
The church.

>>724133209
Contraception is not 100% effective.

|condoms are about 82% effective — that means about 18 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year. - See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms#sthash.QX8yZ3La.dpuf

>>724135467
>Sperm does have the potential to become a fetus
Wow, you are literally retarded.
Sperm will never, ever become a fetus. Ever.

>>724135435
woops

>>724135366

Two? Mother, father, fetus(es), grandparents, siblings, etc. Pregnancy doesn't occur in a vacuum.

Meanwhile, fetal autonomy is an absolutely ridiculous notion to trumpet. We don't allow people legal autonomy until about 15-16, when they can drive, and 18, 19, or 21 to drink and vote. We don't allow children to make medical decisions for themselves unless a review board determines a parent is not making decisions in the best interests of the child, in which case the mature minor doctrine applies, and even then, it comes down to about 12. So, in sum, we don't grant children medical autonomy in any context whatsoever, but you posit we will grant it to an incomplete bundle of cells yet to establish personhood. No.

>>724135295

There is wide spread access to contraceptives. Go to a pharmacy you can get a pack of condoms for 12 dollars.

>>724135613
if something that doesnt have a brain is considered life. What is not considered life and okay to murder?

Muslim? Animals? Bacteria? Sperm?

>>724135257
so you want people who inconvenience your wallet to be killed? quite the precedent you're setting there.

>>724135497
All I am saying is that people should have a solid reason. "lol, I was a slut, gibs me choice pleese" doesnt count

>>724135613
and what isn't so basic is the definition of when life begins, and at what stage of human development certain rights are conferred.

>>724132254
abort the fuckers, we have too many people

>>724135750
>when introduced to an egg a sperm doesn't become a fetus

And I'm retarded? Kek

>>724132749
Ever consider the mental health problems they get when they don't?
Or the mental health problems an unwanted child gets?

>>724135641
> didnt get that either

>>724134800
But that doesn't imply that all the pregnancies terminated in clinics are healthy. You have cited no statistics that confirm or support your contention most aborted pregnancies would have been healthy babies.

Thanks for playing debate, you lose.

>>724135490
But your solution begs the question, because you say "I am willing to let someone risk their soul" by killing someone else, as if only one party is involved. If I, like you, thought only one party had an interest in an abortion, I'd have no problem with them at all.

>>724135690
or encourage people to make resposible decision for the good of society so we are all less strain and taxed

also either start adopting these unwanted children or start paying my taxes

>>724135740
>plannedparenthood.org
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

STOP GIVING WOMEN ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL

THEY MUST LEARN THE RHYTHM METHOD

SATAN

>>724135448

maybe you should wait until then to have an opinion on it. you're basically "you guys do it this way, but I'm just going to go ahead an not help and I promise twenty years from now I totally got your back!"

But seriously anon, we aren't married, you don't have to lie to me. why are you lying?

>>724133737
You've clearly never been to a biology lesson. The know the egg contributes half of the genetic material, the sperm contributes the other half. So no, obviously a gamete does not count as a human, but when combined, they are.

>>724135740

https://sexetc.org/info-center/post/do-condoms-work-whats-the-best-brand-and-which-type-of-condom-is-most-effective/

Planned parenthood is not an acceptable source you mouth breather. Condoms are 98% effective.

>>724132254
I am for abortion of all people under 70.
Die, you fucking retarded embryos.

>>724135740
>18 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year.
>In 5 years, then, 90 of 100 would get pregnant.
>It doesn't occur to me that that can't be true.

>>724135572
Doesn't it go 2-4-8-16.....

I'd like to squash a fetus with my bare foot and feel it squish between my toes

>>724135721
none
Well, I guess I pay some of muh hard earned dollars to le evul gubbermint and their damn taxes and they then use it for some kiddy related shit, g

>>724134755
/thread

>>724133334
Used babies? No thanks.

>>724132254
>I'M NOT A NAZI HEHEHEH ITS THE LIBERALS WHO ABORT BABIES THAT ARE REAL NAZIS HEHE! FUCK NIGGERS BTW :)

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>>724135718
>citation needed
and parents of unwanted children have no mental health problems

>>724135804
Condoms aren't 100% effective, and condoms are only for dudes. Pills are usually another story. Like for example some places girls need to have a parent for them to be able to get Plan B and sometimes the pill needs a script and many parents are prudes and dont want their girls on it.
>>724135838
You really think women out there fuck tons of random dudes and get abortions out the ass or something?

Wew lad

>>724135869
Yes, you are retarded. FWIW, I am pro life, so I would not say you should have been aborted.

>>724135342
Way to not confront my point at all.

>>724135890
I know you don't understand but you have to tell me what you didn't understand if you want help okay champ?

>>724135811

There is a difference between human life and a Muslim or bacteria. That I would have to explain that to you in the context of: human life is valuable therefore murder is immoral is beyond a waste of time.

>>724135740
>18 out of 100
of the times you have sex with condoms actually

>>724136090
>ur retarded

You sure showed me. Really defended your points and gave me a verbal thrashing.

Kek what a joke you are.

>>724135885
when you have hundreds of different types of contraceptives available, some of them 100% guaranteed, and you still get pregnant "accidentally" then you better take some fuckin responsibilty for your fuck up

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>>724132254
world is overpopulated

No point in having a kid if you cant gaurentee a quality of life

You are actually doing the world and all the lives on this planet a service by not having a kid

So fuck "pro-lifers", most of them aint pro-life. If you can turn your back on a refugee you aint "pro-life"

>>724133977
obama >>> trump

>>724135827
>who inconvenience your wallet to be killed
if they elect to, yes

>>724132254
>my jizz my choice

>>724135426
Yes, I will morally decide to pay to support those children because they are citizens of this country.

I think that abortion is a personal responsibility to oneself and society. You need to be able to support yourself before you can support a child. Even being pregnant is hard when you're disadvantaged and crazy or undereducated.

>>724135902
>If I, like you, thought only one party had an interest in an abortion, I'd have no problem with them at all.
And who is it that you incorrectly believe has a bigger stake in whether or not to keep an unwanted baby than the mother?

>>724136210
That's President Trump to you.

>>724136192
>if I just leave these sperm here, they will become a fetus
>no, ur retarded

>>724132254
there are 7.5 billion people whats 1 less.

>>724136032
then stfu and stop the problem before it starts

>>724136205
What utter horseshit

>>724136282
You're an idiot.

>>724134106
Gtfo Peta schill

>>724136095
> I know you are but what am I

>>724136336
>i am too stupid to think of anything to counter that

I agree, you are autism

>>724136284
>I'll just ignore where he stated to me that introduction of a sperm to an egg results in a fetus
>and just keep acting like I'm smarterer cause I don't wanna admit I'm wrong.

As I said. You're a joke.

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>>724136032
>Well, I guess I pay some of muh hard earned dollars to le evul gubbermint and their damn taxes and they then use it for some kiddy related shit, g

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>>724136336
>person living in bible belt detected

>>724136205
>If you can turn your back on a refugee you aint "pro-life"
grown people can fend for themselves or should be able to. a fetus can't protect itself from abortion

>>724136152
The bottom line is that you have some sort of view what a life is that other people dont and youre to overly sensitive to accept their definition even when they are majority.

>>724136246
The child being killed. His or her stake is far greater because, as I pointed out here, >>724133728
it is losing the most.
And losing potential life does count. When you kill a ten year old, you rob him of being a teen and a man. When you kill a child in utero, you rob him of that and also childhood.

>>724136392
>easy bake triggered

Kek.

>>724136088
>You really think women out there fuck tons of random dudes and get abortions out the ass or something?
Well, yes. There are tons of women who abort perfectly healthy babys for absolutely selfish reasons. Whats your point here? Denying the reality of the subject?

>>724136397
>what am I

That's a question I can't answer for you anon. That's something you need to discover for yourself.

>>724136503
A fetus in utero is not a child. It has no rights and is not a person. It is no different than removing a tapeworm or some other parasite.

>>724136419
>Killing babies in utero is justified if you have borders
That was the post.
>>724136473
New York actually

>>724135804

This obscures the point, though. If a child is not taught about sex, healthy relationships, contraception, and the consequences (actual, not spiritual) of sex, they may not know where to start. Meanwhile, by creating an extreme taboo, you push people to the fringes. So, kids are more likely to be more secretive, because they believe sex will get them in big trouble as its verboten, which makes them less likely to use protection.

Fund PP, an organization that provides counselling, instruction, and free contraception. Include sex ed in the curriculum (every non-American G20 western nation begins around grade 1 with gender, grade 3 with reproduction, grade 4 with non-conforming gender, grade 6 with sex, and so on). Even Ontario, which has a separate Catholic school board, abides by this sex ed curriculum. It's insane the US lags so far behind the rest of the world. And surprise, abortion rates are lower in throes places despite grater access to it.

>>724136094
Yes, logical fallacies get discarted. There was no point

>>724136574
It's too expensive to be an effective form of birth control you silly.

>>724134435
Everyone who thinks beeing forced to give birth is ok should go experience it (hint: 8x human pain threshold).

>>724134611
I'm listening friend.

What i have read so far is there are either careless sluts or people who are at risk by having a baby. What if a couple uses anticonception but the woman still ends up pregnant, what then? Shouldnt she be able to get an abortion then?

Why do people always argue about the morals and consequences of abortion? Morals are fucking irrelevant. It doesn't matter whether you like it or not, if a woman is pro-choice and she wants to abort, she WILL do it - even if it means she has to do it herself.

If you illegalize abortion, you're not actually going to stop abortion. Instead, you'll just cause more women to receive injuries that can be prevented if the procedure is done by a professional rather than at home.

>but muh karma
It's not always the woman's fault she got pregnant. You can't just say "well that baby murderer bitch shouldn't be trying to abort then" as if abortions are purely malevolent. What if the womb parasite has down syndrome? What if the woman was raped?

>>724136597
> sos your face

>>724136611
>I live in New York he says
>like that's any better

Kek

>>724135846

Conception. Any variation on that just opens up constantly sliding scale based on the whims and wants of the people who can scream the loudest.

The best way to keep Laquisha out of the tax payers pockets is to have a society where abortion is illegal and there are significant benefits to having children inside of stable tow parent relationships. I'm all for planned parenthood just not the kind that involves an immoral act sanctioned by the state.

That picture in the OP isn't far from the truth and history will tell that tale long after we're dust. But make no mistake people are going to look back on this era with a measure of disgust at how we treated innocent human life.

Just to put it out there I'm not religious at all. I just honestly feel like modern feminism, abortion and the nanny state are all part of the same problem in the west and in the end all result in more and more handouts through making the state Daddy or making the state Doctor.

>>724136611
what the fuck are you even talking about. You missed the point entirely

Its about saving lives that cant save themselves.

You draw some arbitrary line because you just dont like foreigners. Thats the difference

>>724136626
>It's insane the US lags so far behind the rest of the world.
You have all the Jesus freak rural filth to thank for that. People too stupid to know what's best for them.

>>724136610
>A fetus in utero is not a child.
I said it was a potential child.
>It has no rights
No rights under law, true
>and is not a person
It is, though.
>It is no different than removing a tapeworm or some other parasite.
It is different.

>>724136726
its way better than the fucking bible belt you loser. Not even that dude, but lets not play games here.

>>724135995

If you're going to be sancimonious, at least be accurate. A sperm contributes no mitochondria, and so no mtDNA, which the egg does, and so the egg contributes more than half of the genetic material.

>>724136652
Sure. Never said it was. Thats the point though, there are cheap and effective ways of birth control. So no excuse for sluts

>>724136719
Now you're just not making sense. I don't know how you expect to send a maritime distress signal using my face but if you find away I'd like to know.

>>724136751
>saving lives that cant save themselves
>in favor of killing people who have no say

>>724133691

This has to be the stupidest, retardest explanation of how the body works i've ever seen. It doesn't work like that, you fucking mongoloid, you do realise the body can terminate a pregancy by itself, right? So does that mean the women will be as fucked as if she had an artificial abortion?

Hint: Answer is no.

>>724136838
So the deterrent should be the cost, like how capitalism works, right? No need to make it illegal. I should just be phased out like blockbuster.

The government should just require all girls to get the IUD at age 12 as a requirement for enrollment in public schools. We'd spend a few billion dollars in prevention and save trillions in the long run.

>>724136242

you can pay for them then. I support your desire to pay each single mother welfare because you think they're too stupid to know that a dude cumming inside you has a better than average shot of making a baby.

It's immoral for you or anyone else to say that they're going to use the state like a hammer to beat more tax dollars out of people who make good choices and don't turn a blind eye to immoral acts.

>>724136795
>the city of pretentious cunts
>is better than the religiously pretentious cunts

Kek. They're about the same. Let's be honest.

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>>724134451
>it should be protected like we would any other in our care.
Cool lets just let cops protect it like they do blacks. *BLAM* baby problem is fixed.
Or trailer trash ameicans if we take away theri ACA/Abamacare. Hey that baby problem just died and went away.
Or immigrants: Looks like baby can't float. problem solved.
Or people in countries that have oil: *BOOM* baby problem is fixed.
Or innocent people on death row because their lawyer slept through the case. Baby has received "justice". Baby problem is gone.
and on and on and on. Social conservatives hold no value in human life.

>>724136877
oh, you are under the impression i am a "pro-lifer"

I am not, which is why i dont have to worry about that contradiction, which was my point entirely

You lose lol

>>724132254
Less unwanted babies... what's not to like?

>>724132254
I think there should be an arbiter that actually just decides for you if you can have an abortion or not, if you can afford to take care of it then you have to. You say pro choice then exercise that by abstaining if you dont want a child as that is the sole purpose of the act.

Just were I a dad and the mom wanted an abortion and I didnt because well I could pay for it/want it I just cant make her carry to term it sorta puts men in a real shit situation that women seem to have absolutely no empathy for.

>>724136973
New York has way better music rolling through, way more shit to do, way more fun, more access to higher quality food, less religious people

Its better, without a doubt. Obviously California is best though

>>724136964
People say conservatives want to control women's bodies, but this is pretty common leftist schtick.

>>724136936
Well, I think birth control stuff should actually be free

>>724137003
>you lose

I'm sure you're very proud of yourself but you don't just get to declare yourself winner. No one wins on /b/

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>>724137107
>but this is pretty common leftist schtick.

It must be true because some random neckbeard on teh internet says so without anything to back his point

>>724132254
Doesn't bother me. I have no moral objection with it.

>>724137056
Orphans make easy prey, conservatives like em young.

>>724137003
reading not your strong suit
I was not under the impression that you're pro life
You seem to think killing babies is okay, but having borders is evil.

>>724137135
>No one wins on /b/

good point. I am less loser than him, but still a loser

>>724137135
t. sore loser

>>724136574
Yes, but to think that hurr durr they're some kind of trashy young college slut tier is fucking retarded. You think countries with exploding populations like India fit that description. No most of the abortions are by women who are just poor, ended up fucking some guy, sometimes their boyfriend or whatever and then him being black skips out on them. Doesn't make them sluts. Humans having sex is natural and human nature. We aren't animals. We can go beyond "Hurr have sex=deal with the consequences" mentality. We can have sex and prevent pregnancy and abortions. We aren't animals that have to be forced to have kids to populate or to just dump the kid on the street.

That's just it. You say they should just use contraceptives, but again, they're not THAT easy to get, especially if they are underage. Pharmacies just don't hand out birth control like that. That shit costs money and some you need an adult to get them for you. Hell most poor people don't even know about the different kinds of contraceptives because of the lack of good sex ed.

>>724136336
That's a very elaborate argument you have there.

>>724137209
no, i dont. I think guaranteeing a quality of life for the people on the planet is priority

>>724137165
So you're the guy who's never heard anyone advocate that government control who can have children?

>>724133127
Retard alert

>>724136965
but if they get more abortions and make them and other birth prevention, there will be less people to take care of. I'm in favor of supporting those who are alive so they can become and raise good productive citizens.

>>724137165
>It must be true because some random neckbeard on teh internet says so without anything to back his point

Says another random neckbeard

>TOPKEK!

>>724137222
Wasted trips to tell a person not in the argument, simply stating a fact, that internet fights never have a 'winner', that they're a sore loser. You should be ashamed of yourself sir.

>>724137265
when has that happened? Like when has that come into law?

>>724134392
I just use logic

>>724136926
>>724136926
>Wew, if you don't have a good argument you can always throw out the Nazi/Hitler card!

Here's your (You)

>>724136496

I'm not overly sensitive about the issue. It's just a matter of fact. People can twist themselves into whatever narrative they like to justify the act to themselves. Population control, womens rights etc, they're all equally bad arguments when you start to pick them apart.

It all boils down to a continued erosion of personal responsibility and more and more out stretched hands looking for money.

>>724137107
Unwanted and unplanned children are an economic drain. I think most women would be happy that they would be provided with nearly a decade of near-foolproof birth control at no cost to them.

>>724137327
making a claim =/= pointing out claim must be backed

>>724137262
brofist.png

>>724137265
i've heard individuals advocate almost every imaginable position. groups are another matter

>>724137115
I agree, and that would definitely reduce abortions. I think abortions should be taxed to deter usage too. I just think the option should be there.

>>724137377
i was making fun of that tactic you retard

>>724132254
In technical sense its a IT, but it will evolve to someone. So is it humane? Thats a question I'd leave to mother and father, to ponder are they ready for rise a children.

>>724136917
>the body can terminate a pregnancy by itself
then why are abortions even necessary if the female body can do everything by itself?
Oh right, cause it can't
and anything artificial is going to bring complications that something natural would not have

>>724137492
>deter usage

Why though? I want you to explain to me what harm an early term abortion causes anyone.

>>724137405
my definition of life is a complete brain. Ergo abortion is perfectly okay.

>>724133334
this

>>724132254
Niggers and jews still aren't people, though.

>>724137368
yes, like I said, libertarian

>>724132254
abortion is taking a life, if you want to do it go ahead but don't delude yourself into thinking that it's just a sack of cells. It's a convenience procedure like any unnecessary surgery I.E. breast aug nose job, gender reassignment etc. I hate when people try to make excuses for it. Be real. I am an irresponsible person, my boyfriend didn't pull out, I don't want to be a parent, I don't want my life to change, I was raped. Those are reasons to get an abortion. Don't hide behind the delusion that it isn't a living human being. Do it or don't do it just don't lie to yourself about what you are doing.

>>724137237
>Humans having sex is natural
Well, yeah thats why everybody old enough to have sex should know about the consequences. At least the baby part.
You know you are neither entitled to be a slut nor is anybody forcing you to have sex. Want to kill a baby because your pussy got wet that one night and you couldnt control your urges? Well, that shouldnt be encouraged

>>724132254
Murder.
The doctors who perform them should lose their license.
The women that get them should get prison time.

>>724137115
Nothing is ever free. Birth control would most likely come out of our taxes. Beats paying for more police, more taxes to fund the criminal justice center, more taxes going to the welfare system, etc.