ITT we discuss Gun Violence

>>724051417
When the fuck do you need high capacity magazine?

>>724051626
for when I want the gun to jam bcs I'm an untrained pleb who can't reload, but I think it will make me shoot a lot.

The solution to violence involving firearms is not to remove the firearms.
Additionally, if the goal is to save lives, then money put towards reducing violence involving firearms can much more effectively be put to use in other things.
Think outside of the box.

>>724051417
if everybody was armed and trained, then people wouldnt be so defenseless against suicidal rampages.

>>724051626
When the fuck do you need freedom?

>>724051417
Do you want to have a bad time? Cause this is how you get a bad time.

> you're way more likely to be killed by a white person with a gun than by an illegal immigrant

really gets those neurons firin'

>>724051626
Just in case the travel ban doesn't hold up and ISIS members start coming in.

>>724053386
illegal immigrants take jobs, not lives.

>>724053386
So... in America, a caucasian majority country, you're more likely to be killed by the majority race?

What other common sense can you pass on?

Are you going to tell me BLM shit too?

If you do the math on FBI crime statistics there's almost a dead even split between Caucasian people and people of color. Mind explaining systemic racism to me too, given this fact?

>>724051417
What is this, 1994? I'm cool with improving background checks, but as for banning guns, we live in the present. That shit is old.

>>724051626
if you're going to take someone down the america way, you have to do it in excess. go big or go home.

>>724051626
target shooting, or shooting for fun, you can go through a 'high capacity' 30 round mag in under a minute easily, a 10 round mag would get annoying, plus a primary reason for the right to bear arms is for the citizenry to be able to defend/protect themselves from a corrupt government, there's a reason one of the first things hitler did was confiscate all the guns

I'm very liberal, but the amount of guns isn't the problem. As far as I know (and I could be wrong) Canada has less restrictive gun laws than the US but a fraction of the gun violence.

America has a problem with gun culture, not guns themselves. Banning certain types of guns and restricting their access more will help, but it's not going to fix the problem entirely. The only way is to change the culture, which takes a long time.

>>724051417
75% of gun murders in the US are niggers killing other niggers. We must support free guns for everyone

>>724053826
>Banning certain types of guns and restricting their access more will help
Because that helped with drugs, alcohol, prostitution, right? Maybe we should ban cheeseburgers too. We're in the middle of an obesity epidemic, after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUjqz9rWegM

eeyy

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>>724051417

>>724051626
I don't. But in a free country I'm allowed to have what I want.

What happened to all the "OBUMMERS GONNA TAKE MY GUNS" people?

Obama was apparently supposed to do a lot of things, according to American conservatives. Institute sharia law, censor the press, start another war.

>>724053826
>Canada has less restrictive gun laws than the US
Not even remotely true

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>>724051417

>>724053609
That's not to mention they actually classify spics as whites. The crime statistics for whites is actually lower still yet.

>>724054081
Luckily he was incompetent and lost his majority in congress after 2 years, rendering him completely neutered

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>>724051417

>>724054050

That's not even remotely true. There's a reason you can't walk into CVS and buy a big bucket of cyanide.

>>724051417
>ITT we discuss Gun Violence

Also ITT we discuss suicides and niggers

>>724054206
They never even tried to ban guns in anyway, the worst he did was try to improve background checks and such

>>724054202
When I did my math and research, I accounted for hispanics in the POC as best as I could. Certain areas on their statistics pages do distinguish, though many don't.

>>724053945
false equivalency.
can you harm another individual with a cheeseburger?

>>724054305
Hurrr Duhhh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

>>724053945
Banning certain types is just common sense, you can't have people buying tanks or having anti-air artillery in their gardens

>>724051417
If the American police were better trained, the citizens shouldn't feel the need for weaponry.

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In Canada, nobody has guns and nobody gets shot.

>>724054380
Can you harm another individual with personal consumption of drugs? Can you harm another individual when two consenting adults exchange goods/services for sex? Your point is pretty moot.

>>724054455
Good to know your military doesn't use guns.

>>724054445
American police are so shit because they're all terrified of being shot at any moment, so they just shoot anything that moves

It's a vicious cycle

>>724051417

The only places in the world with higher gun related deaths are third world countries and active war zones.

>>724054495
more false equivalency.

i'd say your point is the one that's pretty moot.

>>724054240
Because CVS does not sell cyanide.

>>724054455

Canada has about 10 million guns, actually. Still pales in comparison to the US, but they have a fraction of the gun deaths even accounting for that discrepancy.

>>724054531
Is your head firmly lodged in your asshole?

>>724054531

Of course they do.

Number of mass shootings in canada since the 1700's: 30

Number of mass shootings in the united states since the 1700's: Literally too many to count.

Almost like loose gun laws and gun related deaths are related.

>>724054713
You're the one who has no valid logical point to make. I can hurt someone with literally anything put into my hands, the desire to hurt people is the issue, not the tool used. See: The several terrorist attacks in recent months where people just drove vehicles into crowds. Next plz

>>724054531
>canadian military
I cant help but picture an army of mimes and clowns for some reason.

>>724054950
armed with hockey sticks

>>724053945

California has seen about a 50 percent decline in gun deaths since they started instituting heavier gun control laws. Nothing will make guns go away, but murder and suicide is often an impulsive thing, and limiting access (or just making it annoying to get a gun) seems to be enough to dissuade a lot of people.

>>724054817
>nobody has guns
>nobody

>>724054876
The intent of a motor vehicle is transport. Sometimes accidents happen.

The intent of an assault rifle is to kill people.

>>724053945
Drugs, alcohol and prostitutes all should be legal in a free society because people have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies if it's not affecting anyone else

Guns by their very nature are designed to forcefully affect other people's lives, you can't just go around saying "well let's just have every mass killing machine legal because people would get them anyway even if you banned them"

>>724054876

>This satirical poster oughtta solve this complex issue

>>724055025
Jesus fuck ur dum

>>724053719
That's the spirit.

>>724054876

Car analogies are stupid. The proper equivalency would be to post statistics about cars being purposefully used as weapons, which people never do.

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>>724054845
>the desire to hurt people is the issue
>uses personal consumption of goods as argument
>moves goalposts to include terrorist attacks with vehicles

my god anon. can you even logic?

>>724054832
And mass shooting are still a statistical rarity that contribute a fraction of one percent to the total number of gun deaths, or deaths as a whole.
The problem is not guns. The problem is people wanting to hurt others, and that issue is regarding mental health.

lol gunfags are the easiest fags to troll

I think the best option to reduce school shootings is to give all students government-issued handguns so they can defend themselves the next time a white kid has a mental breakdown.

>>724054240
You can't buy cyanide from a convenience store yet. Soon, though.

>>724055141
>cars being purposefully used as weapons, which people never do.
Do not post in this thread anymore until you at least have even a basic clue as to what you are talking about.

>>724051417
Anyone here read about the gun laws of non-US countries?
I personally like Russia's policy
-need to be 18
-need to be permanent resident
-self-defense, hunting, and sports only
-license given for 5 year period by local police
- -background check
- -storage check
- -medical check
- -mentally ill and known substance abusers excluded from gun ownership
- -six and a half hour training class on gun safety mandatory
-ten gun max
-limited to smooth bore for the first five years
-allowed to own rifles after first five years
-handguns for service weapons only
-short barrel shotguns and rifles are banned

I think it's a good compromise.

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If the argument for banning "assault weapons" is about the shooter not being able to kill or maim multiple people in one shooting, then wouldn't the best solution be to arm every single person? At least this way, the first person has a fraction of a chance to fight back. No amount of gun legislation will save that first victim.

>>724051417
Why is gun violence so special that you need a separate qualifier for it? Banning guns doesn't reduce levels of overall violence, other sources just compensate for the loss. I'd rather get shot than shanked, personally.

>>724055069
Sometimes people need to be killed you goddamned pansy-ass idiot, and every government on the planet agrees with that statement and even has huge budgets set aside to make sure their anti-human tools are the best of the best

. Shit gets real fast and if you're too pussy for it, then you can just kill yourself now, but don't act like you can restrain others freedom, you mindless pissant.

>>724054832
Mexico has stricter gun laws than Canada.

>>724055188

They didnt mental health those people to death.

>>724053561
You wanna dig holes for fence posts?
Or do electrical while on a 3 story building?
Demo work, etc. I worked with my step dad from 13-16 years old doing construction and electrical work(he was a gen contractor) and he tried hiring whites and blacks but they wanted 15-16$/hr digging holes and demo work (tear down and clean up) when we had a Mexican dude who would do it for $9/hr.
And when he did hire non-beans they were lazy or bitched a lot (both white and black, mind you I'm white and my step dad is half white half Mexican but looks white (blue eyes))
I was a fucking teen pleb and I just did what he told me. Basically, Mexican immigrants are the hardest working people in this country(physically)
I find it funny when people say , their taking our jobs! When in reality, I never see any white people or nigs at Home Depot or lowes looking for work every single morning of every day. We hired mostly from Home Depot parking lots, usually a mix of 85% Mexican and the rest white(almost always an older white guy who would probably be a liability then anything) and blacks(very rare though in the morning, 1-2 were there in the late afternoon when we came back for more supplies)
What I'm getting at is, go do labor work or go be a landscaper, go mow lawns, go make Mexican food, chances are, 95% of you pussies wouldn't have the stamina or strethgh to even do half the work they do.

But I will end with I know there are a bunch of beans that are bad and sell drugs, but a lot of those are US citizens.
I've lived all over California north and south and I've live in Nevada and Arizona. Dealt with the worst of the worst of every race. Everyone sucks, stop blaming other people (regardless of race) because you're a lazy piece of shit bitching about jobs yet you're on 4chan all day long, go get a fucking job then you stupid piece of shit.

>>724055314
>Compromise
>License
>For a right
No.

>>724055069
>The intent of an assault rifle is to kill people
Watch out, it's bait

>>724055364
Man all those spontaneous mass stabbings sure are terrifying huh

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>>724055314
1776 WILL COMMENCE IF YOU TRIED RETARDED SHIT LIKE THAT HERE, FUCKING RUSSIA IS YOUR MODEL NOW FUCKING IDIOTS FUCK

>>724055314
>compromising on a right
Never.

>>724054876

THIS

I use my gun to drive to and from work, to transport shopping, to drive me and my friends cross country and sometimes work as an uber. If you took away my gun, I wouldn't be able to do any of those things so it's totally unrealistic to take away my gun and have a decent quality of life.

>>724051417
Swiss master race
>29% firearm ownership
>universal conscription
>only accepted 3 (total) foreign refugees in 2016
>general rule of assimilate or GTFO

>>724053935
Prove source you pleb don't just talk out of your pink little boy pussy

>>724055307

Other than accidents, if a gun is used to kill someone, it's being purposefully used as a weapon. A blanket number of automotive deaths is in no way a valid comparison. What about that is incorrect?

>>724053813
>there's a reason one of the first things hitler did was confiscate all the guns
he didn't do that. Actually the thing he did was to unban guns for all non jews.

>>724055069
There is the technology that could make every car follow the speed limit or even cut down the speed of cars by half by the manufacturers and would basically reduce car caused deaths to 0, but the excuse not to it would be not fun to drive anymore.

>>724055398

Mexico is also a third world shithole.

>>724055407
You have missed the point entirely.
Take away guns and you still have people looking to cause harm.
Help those who have the mental issues and then they won't want to hurt others.

The gun is a tool. Not a motive.

>>724055314

>not giving guns to mentally unstable sociopaths

BURN IN HELL COMMIE SCUM! THIS IS AMERICA!

>>724055154
You are the one who is equating the right to own weapons into wanting to hurt other people.

So yes, when you want to directly impede my right to have a hobby, to defend my home, and defend my person, I will bring up other relatable topics.

It is a persons choice to own anything, however the moment you use an object to harm, disenfranchise, or otherwise impede another persons life, at that point is when you deserve to be punished i.e. your rights end where my face begins.

I get it, you're trying to troll me, but you are just being illogical. Sorry.

>>724054032
Gun problem no we have a black problem! Posts from one city... lul pleb whatever helps you jack off to trump at night

>>724055361

>More bullets in the air = less bodies on the ground.

>>724055361

If I had a choice, I'd gladly take one dipshit with a gun trying to shoot people over fifty one dipshits trying to shoot one guy.

>>724051417
I support gun violence

>>724055509
the fact that people use vehicles as weapons all the time. that is what is incorrect about your statement.

>>724055639
G.U.N.= gangsta uneducated niggers

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>>724055507
Cringe

>>724055391

How many people are killed per year by plastic cutlery? EXACTLY!

>>724055613

Nobody is saying the gun is the motive, I'm saying the tool needs to be put on a higher shelf so the kids can't hurt themselves with it.

we should ban planes while we're at it so we dont have another 9/11

>>724055663
I love how you libshits somehow find it in you to look down on almost everybody around you. You must think you're pretty fucking special, huh.

>>724055777
You gotta be a special kind of stupid to compare a method of transportation with a tool specifically used for killing

>>724055720
2011-2013. Shitty graph, provide a real source and new shit you fucking idiot

>>724054162
Now rescale the axes to include just the first world countries against which we should compare ourselves.

>>724055824
See: F17 Raptor, B52 Bomber

>guns are made for killing

When will this Liberal myth die?

>>724055682

I'm not disagreeing with that, but the number cited in that picture is of all automotive deaths. Not ones on purpose.

Equating the ban of automobiles (which are essential to the functioning of our society) to guns is retarded.

>>724055777
They should also ban pencils and pens because of those damned spelling errors.

>>724055777
GW Bush is already gone though bro.

>>724055414
We have thousands of homlesd veterans and homless americans and your worries are det on NON AMERICANS?

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>>724055631
>bring up other relatable topics
>cheeseburgers and obesity

okay kid.

i was equating no such thing...just calling out your obvious false equivalencies. reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?

>>724055843
Goalposts

>>724055720
that's never 75%
more like 2/3

>>724055879
Oh but that's from a white guy.. oh the outrage I'm sure happened...oh wait.

>>724055883
He was obviously referring to commercial planes

>>724053826
canada also has a fraction of the population. 1/10 to be exact. 36 million vs 360 million.

>>724055884

The first firearms were used solely for war. I think it stems from that.

The stupid shit about it is that black on black crimes are always pointed out, but never poor on poor crimes, because its almost exactly the same every single fucking time.

>>724055509
The fact that there has been a trend in people using vehicles to mow down crowds.
You don't care about saving human lives because there are much bigger contributors to death than guns (A large portion of deaths from firearms are suicide).
At the end of the discussion you have a machine, designed to transport, killing more than a weapon designed for that purpose.
If you cared about life overall you would be just as vocal about the need for automobile control.

Instead you have some others driving factor. Maybe a lack of knowledge, or fear, of guns. Or maybe you're someone who thinks only the State should be able to own them.
Do not let your emotions overpower facts and rationality. Because that's what all gun control arguments boil down to; emotion and ignorance.

>>724055758
The shelf is already too high when you consider that if you don't give a fuck about the law, you can walk around the corner and buy it from some nigger for literally a tenth the price.

The problem with advocating more gun laws is that they only affect law abiding citizens. We already have more than enough laws. The criminals don't give a shit, in case you're living in a delusion that they are.

>>724051417
SHALL

>>724055720

It's almost as if poverty and decades of mistreatment leads people to violence.

>>724054162

>USA is more violent than every other developed nation but less violent than the Congo

Wew, you sure showed them!

>>724051417
Banning almost anything is completely fucking dumb, they are just going to get anyway of buying guns more easily

>>724056053
Yeah man all those crips and bloods in rural west virginia and kentucky are a real problem

>>724055884
>Liberal myth

Republican code for "reality"

Find it in your republican decoder right next to the entry for "alternative facts"

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>>724054386
Do you think Hillary would have revived the 1994 assault weapon ban if she were elected?

>>724055922
What point are you trying to make besides pointing out obviously untrue logical fallacies?

>>724056042

and why is it so easy for illegal guns to get to the streets? They had to come from somewhere.

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>>724056077
We have a lot of niggers, unfortunately

>>724056136

You lost, get over it.

Guns aren't just for killing, they're also for hunting, self defense and the army.

>>724055509
Because in case you missed it, you goddamn idiot, cars and trucks ARE USED AS TOOLS OF DEATH.

Now, I realize you're too stupid to think and instead are just vomitting up your internalized dogma, you would be wise to remember that any tool can be weaponized. Any medicine, weaponized, any food, weaponized.

And your defense against the people who do that is what exactly? Asking them to kindly stop and follow the law. Nigger that is STUPID

>>724056094
gotta make sure that only the criminals are armed.

>>724056027

Are you trying to say that more people are killed (on purpose) with cars than with guns? That's fucking insane.

Even if it were true that every single automotive death was on purpose, that's still just as many as gun deaths, maybe even less depending on the year you look at.

>>724051626
>high capacity magazine
They're normal capacity magazines to the vast majority of the country. 10 round mags are limited capacity magazines and are thus more expensive because they are a specialized item only bought by people in CA and states with similarly restrictive laws. Isn't it interesting how words can change how we feel about things?
inb4
>assault weapon

>>724055918
Oh my god. I'm glad your dumbass brought that up. What has any republican done for veterans? Besides cut the spending for the VA?
Obama did more for veterans then any republican in a while.
And most vets have some type of mental disorder after returning (ptsd/etc) so it's hard to hire them for a lot of posistions, my dad is a war wounded warrior, he gets no special treatment besides the free healthcare that he should get (which is questionable and trump hasn't done shit for any vets).
Maybe you should do something to help them then(vets and homeless) oh wait you won't because it's easier to bitch and say immigrants are taking our jobs...
So please continue on.. do something to help the problem rather then just announce it even more then it has been

>>724056270
Those things are literally all killi-

OH MAN I ALMOST TOOK THE BAIT

>>724056228
You can hammer them out of sheet metal and a lathe for fuck's sakes, dude, like the do with AKs in Afgphanistan. They can be smuggled in like the drugs, too.

You are too simpleminded if you couldn't think of such simple shit, honestly.

>>724056307

Yes. I only buy cars that aren't curved at the front, so I can cause maximum damage to anyone I hit.

What Liberal shithole of a county do you live in where people can't defend themselves with their car?

>>724056294

Do you have any source for the number of people killed as a result of using an automobile for a weapon? If you do, is it even remotely close to the number of gun deaths?

As others have posted in the thread, in states that have instituted gun control methods, there's a marked decrease in gun death.

>>724055555
Checked

>>724056209
that was my entire point...pointing out your false equivalencies

>>724056372
Thank you Obama for taking care of veterans (of wars that your administration either started or fucked up in)

>>724056094
no they won't.
If guns are banned the only people that can still get guns are policemen soldiers and people who are affiliated with organized crime.
Organized crime does not like it when street thugs have guns since that makes their customers afraid to come to them. So the normal criminal won't get a gun from them.

how would a gun ban even work when people can just 3D pring guns and arm their drones to shoot down other drones?

>>724056408

So the vast majority of gun related crimes are commited with bootleg sheet metal weapons and exports?

You're telling me that most of the unregistered ak's and pistols get smuggled in by the boatload and not...you know simply bought from a private seller from a domestic source?

>>724056513
>in states that have instituted gun control methods, there's a marked decrease in gun death.

FALSE

Have you heard of Chicago, you fucking idiot?

>>724056118
in those states they are called respect the flag Blood and Honor or similar names.

>>724056615
My point is that they aren't going anywhere, fool. You aren't going to stop guns, because weapons are an innate aspect of human nature, and to deny that is simply delusion.

>>724056513
What about other kinds of violence. That stat is of no relevance, only the overall level of violence proves anything.

>>724056680
Fuck you, you goddamned nigger shithead.

>>724051417
Doesn't really matter
Even if you remove every firearm related homicide in the United States we still have a homicide rate higher than most other 1st world countries. Removing guns doesn't solve our issues. It just puts a bandaid on it and makes latte liberals feel good

>>724051417
America has a nigger problem, not a gun problem.

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>>724051417
Its not a gun problem its a nigger problem

>>724056606
>gun ban
no one wants a gun ban.
Guns need to be heavy regulated not banned. If you want a gun to go hunting with it there is no problem with that

>>724054644

>Place with lots of guns has lots of gun deaths.

Shocker. Places without guns will have lots of stabbings instead. Statistically less than 99.999% of guns in the US are ever used to shoot anyone.

>>724054162

Will be ignored.

>>724056917
>Guns need to be heavy regulated not banned
Why?

>>724056917
Thats what it starts with, then we become fucking Australia.

>>724056513
chimpcongo has some of the toughest gun laws but the most murders.

>>724056890
>>724056870
That's some hive mind sort of thing

>>724054876
I'm a second am. supporter and gun owner. The car analogy is dumb as shit.

>>724051417
The government can see all your online activity http://traineddog.club

>>724055555
and that my fried is the magic of hypocrisy

that said most guns are probably fine with the right balances in place

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ITT

>>724056917
Unless you're a felon or a schizo you should be able to buy any rifle and magazine you want

>>724055512
>muh act of 1938

Which wasn't enacted until AFTER the Nazi party had used all their intimidation shenanigans and seized control after the 1919 act which seized these weapons (this law wasn't passed by Nazis, tho).

>>724056798
>It just puts a bandaid
you do know that bandaids prevent a wound from getting an infection and help it to heal?
So you are saying that all it does is make things better and that is somehow bad?

>>724056971
They don't, liberals can never be happy with the present. Things regarding guns are fine as they are.

>>724056042
i hate this argument. no one is going to just approach some black dude and ask to buy a gun, and further, no black dude is going to sell a gun to some random ass white dude they don't even know

>>724051417

why isn't there more?

>>724056624

Chicago doesn't have the strictest gun laws in the country, despite what Trump has said. New York and LA have stricter, and California has seen a 50 percent decrease in gun deaths since the 90s.

Also most of the guns in Chicago aren't bought in Illionois anyway.

>>724056971
So what crazy people can't just walk into a shop and walk out with a fucking assault rifle?

>>724056917
They are already heavily regulated. There is criteria that must be met before buying one.
At both state and federal levels.
You want bans under the guise of "regulation", "common sense", or "compromise".
It's not happening. enough has already been taken.

>>724057129
yes that's what I said

>>724055843
Typical idiot can't accept facts.

>>724057188
Again, unless you cite changes in overall levels of violence, your argument is meaningless.

>>724057139
Guns are an equalizer, a small woman can kill a fully grown male intruder with a gun.

It doesn't work that way with knives.

>>724055314

> "Russia is evil and homophobic and blah blah blah"
> "our gun laws should be more like Russia"

>>724057139
>Stick bandaid on gaping gash pouring profuse amounts of blood from a severed artery
>Durr hurr it helps :^)
Kewl beans

>>724057264
Typical retard can't detect obvious troll

>>724057089
any semi auto rifle yes. magazine? no.
i own multiple firearms (fucking pain in the ass in cali) but you don't need a high magazine for protection. give me a break. you must have terrible marksmanship if you think you need 5-8 extra shots. plan them out accordingly and you won't need extra rounds.

>>724057207
Why?

>>724057152
They do all the time. It's no different from the drugs. There is a tremendous black market that you are ignoring because you probably like to pretend you're not living in a fantasy.

>>724057273

I'm not talking about all violence, I'm talking about gun violence. What are you even talking about?

>>724057322
Typical 4chan idiot trying to cover up he's an idiot.

>>724057264
provide source with credibility not alternative facts

>>724057332
What's the argument for not having magazines with more than 10 rounds
>You don't need it
Wow what a shit arguement

>>724057374
Why does it matter if gun violence is high or low then? Unless overall violence changes then it is of no importance.

>>724057089
>you should be able to buy any rifle and magazine you want
so should you be able to buy a Nuclear Bomb? Unless you are a schizo or a felon.
Also you have a real shitty public health care without mandatory insurance. The probability that you know who is a schizo that will buy a gun is really slim because he probably never went to a doctor.

>>724057043
take black murder rates out of the equation murder rates would fall around 50% and they are only 13% of the population

>>724057139
try putting a bandaid on a bullet wound and see if that works.

>>724056971

Because states with stricter gun laws, on average, have lower rates of gun violence.

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1661390

>>724054403
except anyone who has enough money can buy a tank they aren't banned at all

>>724057332
And auto rifles too, especially since auto fire carries very little lethal advantage.

And this word "Need"

Who are you to tell me what I need?

>>724051626
When you don't want to reload as often

>>724057332
You can take your opinion and go straight to hell, because I don't give a fuck what you think. You don't get to tell me what I can or can not use for self defense just because you live in a delusion about the world around you.

>>724057152

It would be the mexican cartels that start importing guns to the black market.

And where I used to live black dudes came up to me everyday to ask If i wanted crack.

>>724057446
what's your reasoning to have them?
come on anon, bring that dumb ass logik u got.

>>724057304
>"Hmm, I think this part of Russia is good, but this part isn't'
>"You're not allowed to think that, all or nothing faggot hurr hurr do you want to be a commie too?
>"Why can't I just keep the good part and not the bad? We live in a democratic society designed for that very purpose.
>hurr hurr commie fag
Kill yourself, retardo

>>724057374
Because there's more ways to hurt or kill someone.
If you somehow ban guns but people just start stabbing or bombing each other then you have accomplished nothing.

>>724057576
Which is not at all important if violence as a whole stays the same.

>>724057152

12 year old detected.

I liberal as fuck, but the conservatives are 100% right about the gun issue.

It's probably the only thing they have right. Of course they're right for the wrong reasons, but hey,the ends justify the means.

>>724057311
>gaping gash pouring profuse amounts of blood from a severed artery
>keeping your open wound and doing nothing
>so much better.

>>724057356
so you're telling me that if the most recent perpetrators of mass shootings in the US couldn't buy their guns and ammunition at a gun store easily due to better background checks they would've had the social skills and drive to approach some random black dude in the hood and gotten him to sell them guns? get fucking real dude

>>724057517
>rifle and magazine
>nuclear bomb

umm wut? a nuclear bomb isn't a gun

>>724057446
if you can't hit you're target with 10 rounds (pref 7.62x39) then you suck dick at marksmanship.

>>724057332
Fuck what you think, you stupid bitch. Who the fuck do you think you are to presume to tell me what I need? Just because you're too simpleminded to think. Fuck you and your family.

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>>724057332
nigger your head is just fucked from all stockholm calli syndrome. you can't be that retarded.

anyone that has ever shot a firearm knows how easy is is to miss even close especially in adverse conditions. that's why you need more boolets.

>>724057078
you actually are the militia. the unorganized militia, look up the legal definition of militia in america.

>>724057576

Personally I'd rather be shot than machete'd to death like they do in columbia

>>724057555
try to not treat a bullet wound and see if that works.

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There is absolutely no need for guns in our civilized society, and it's time for change. Gun ownership is a sign of mental illness and should be shunned. Rural neckbeards shouldn't be making gun policy, it should be left to the highly educated citizens of large cities. We're tired of innocent people of color being killed because people want to stroke their mechanical penis. You 4chan losers do not understand society, Reddit is a place for open discussion about reasonable laws. Debate me anytime, I'll make you look like the fool you are.

Dyzo-Blue
/r/GunsAreCool

>>724054240
but you should be able to in a free country

>>724057517
>so should you be able to buy a Nuclear Bomb?
I can't aim a nuclear bomb. I can't discriminate between a paper target and the whole region. What a stupid fucking thing to even say.
>The probability that you know who is a schizo that will buy a gun is really slim because he probably never went to a doctor.
News fucking flash. Any schizo can buy a firearm as long as they were never court ordered or involuntarily committed for a certain amount of time. The government can't access your health records, but they can access your court records. That's how they bar schizos. So moot point you fucking retard.

>>724057517
Schizos out themselves plenty

And you're not a true american until you buy a stake in a recreational nuclear weapon

>>724056341
b-but you don't need this kind of capacity for self-defen...

>train to shoot at targets at least twice in self-defense, since you'll probably miss the first, if not further shots
>1 of 2 shots hitting is assumed 50% accuracy

Yaya therefore you only need a 2 round clip!

>except that is average accuracy, meaning 2 rounds is enough to hit your target only half the time, need to assume 3 or (preferably) 4 rounds for 1st hit to be safe

W-well, we can have 4 round magazines then...

>except that one shot isn't sufficient for all attackers, especially those armed with lethal weapons, even non-firearms. Assume at least 2 or (preferably) 3 actual hits on target before incapacitation

Well, 4 rounds per hit times 3 hits is 12 rounds! A 12 round magazine is more than enough for self-defense!

>And what if there's more than one attacker?

...fug.

>wanting to better vet potential gun owners to make sure they aren't a threat to the general public
>wanting to better vet refugess to male sure they aren't a threat to the general public

Pick both or neither

>>724057651
if more people survive then yes it is important.

>>724057332
So what if you don't need it, I have the right to own it regardless of my needs.

>>724057751

the point of his metaphor is that you're going to die either way.

>>724057658
This guy speaks truth

>>724057332
because bad guys always come one at a time and give you plenty of time to relaod, right? also they stand perfectly still like your stupid little target practice cans, right?

Nigger, grow up.

Also:
>presuming to tell me what I do or do not need
You just went full retarded

>>724056372
a dozen people in my family are Vets and Obama didn't do shit for vets stop making shit up

>>724057651
>>724057630

Violence doesn't stay the same though. In 1996, California had a murder rate of 9.1 per 100k. That includes all kinds of violence.

In 2015, it had 4.8.

>>724057356
>There is a tremendous black market
that black market only exist because of the prevalent gun ownership.

>>724057599
> selling drugs = selling guns

>>724057816
>Already happens
>doesn't happen enough

>>724057817
But that was not a part of you argument. There is nothing to indicate that more people survive stabbings or getting run over than shootings.

>>724057687
The black market isn't some black dude on the corner you mindless drone. You are clearly too detached from reality to be having this level of debate.

>>724057751
going from
>bandaids for wounds
to
>properly treating a wound

nice shifting goal post arguement there.

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>>724055141
>The proper equivalency would be to post statistics about cars being purposefully used as weapons, which people never do.

>>724057891
There are also other factors in play that may have reduced violence, such as the legalization of abortions.

>>724057704
why not? I can protect myself with it and I can hunt with it and I can scare the government with it.
Do you want to impose on my freedom? Do you want to set up rules how I can or cannot protect myself?

>>724057891

And for all the people that have talked about Chicago: Illinois had 10 per 100k, which is now down to 5.8.

>>724057891
And that has everything to do with police cracking down on gangs and nothing with Feinstein's fucktarded bans.

>>724055414
found the beaner

>>724057596
lol i'm not telling you to do anything pal.
i love my guns, not sure the reason to need a high cap. magazine other then being able to shoot extra rounds and possibly jam you're firearm. or just learn to reload fast(dual clip if you have to) and learn to shoot. my god i don't understand why you think you need a 30 round clip or some shit or even a 20 round. you're not in the fucking military are you??
and what's going on so crazy that you need a huge clip? trump is president now, only ones to worry about is people of color and i haven't seen anything on the news or online saying such things.
i do see whites (i'm white and proud but not a pos) treating to bomb jew churches and shit (isn't ivanka and her husbands jews???)

>>724057576
>http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1661390
So they don't account for the number of firearms in a state? They also worked exclusivly with groups who have an interest in slanting data. They used the Brady scorecard which is arbitrary as fuck and is useless for comparison. What a fucking worthless study.

>>724057894
Your opinion is false and frankly retarded.

The black market exists because of the laws making those products illegal.

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>>724055141

>>724057902

Funny, there are plenty people who would say the opposite and be no less correct.

How many legal refugees have killed people over the last ten years? How many people have been killed by legally purchased guns over the last ten years?

>>724057939
ok dude go find the black market if it's such a prevalent thing. it's not as easy as you're trying to make it seem. the average american does not have access to underground weapons dealers

>>724058010
A nuclear weapon has never been used in self defense, nor could it possibly

and the rest of your arguments are facetious

>>724058010
why not? because it's a bomb you dolt.
i know it's a difficult concept for you, but bombs and guns aren't the same.

>>724057891

Violence has decreased across the US at a steady rate regardless of new gun laws. There is no correlation between the two.

>>724057894
There is a black market because banning shit doesn't work. Think prohibition or drugs.

>>724058107
A simpleton like you will never understand. The black market is all around you right now. And easier to access than you obviously can even imagine.

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>>724051417
I'll just leave this here

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>>724057894
>black market only exist because of the prevalent gun ownership.
And gun control. Last time they changed the laws in my state after Sandy Hook everyone I know was putting their "assault rifles" up for sale illegally

>>724058004

How else do you use your gun besides firing bullets from it?

>>724057616
What's the reason to ban them?
You're making the argument to ban them and all you have is "durr u dunt ned dat"
Shit argument. You don't need a marble counter top so you shouldn't be sold one.

>>724058063
many of the guns on the black market are stolen from people who legally purchased them

>>724057716
my family has done more for this country then an ounce of any of your shitty genes have ever done to a piece of dirt in this country. long line of Army and Marines. get rekt you basement dwelling 20 year old who owns a shotgun

>>724057794
>News fucking flash. Any schizo can buy a firearm as long as they were never court ordered or involuntarily committed for a certain amount of time. The government can't access your health records, but they can access your court records. That's how they bar schizos.
So most schizos can buy guns because the court cannot find them? Got it.
>I can't aim a nuclear bomb.
The second amendment doesn't say anything about you have to be able to aim with the arms you are allowed to bear.

>>724057894
How stupid are you? Black markets exist because the things they sell there are illegal you fucking dolt, not because they are popular.

>>724057672
>Sticking a an inch long bandaid on it and saying you're fixed the problem is better

>>724057775

Nice bait, hilarious image.

(hint to anyone who missed it: look at the boolit carefully)

>>724058201
not ban them. asking you what's the need for them? why do you plebs always flip flop back and fourth? answer the fucking question

>>724058184
lol "simpleton". go find it. go out and buy an underground black market gun. prove me wrong. you and i both know you can't

>>724058214
WHOOO SEMPER FI DEBBULDOG

>>724051417

No such thing as Gun Violence, People are just Arseholes all
the people think how easy it is to just go shoot someone, Think
about that It's 200x easier to knife or poison someone.

But the people that commit idiotic acts of violence would use a Hammer if it were in front of them

BAN HUMANS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpeX4RRo28

>>724058214
Even if any of that is true, you dishonor them with your pansy liberal-ass, faggot. They died to assure my freedom from shitheads like you who presume to think you know the world and what I "need"

Go to hell.

>>724057332
You're a fucking retard. A 30rd magazine isn't a high capacity mag, it's a standard capacity mag. And saying people don't need high cap mags just because you don't.

If you think you have superb marksmanship I'd like to see you shoot and hit your target in a high stress situation and engage multiple moving targets. First off you'd probably miss with most shots and then shit yourself while you're trying to reload because bullets are flying past you.

>>724058038
i would have gotten free college and welfare if so.. yet i've been working since 13 and 28 now so eat a dick. i've paid more in taxes then you have sucked dick (very close but i still win)

>>724057919
>But that was not a part of you argument
yes it is
>There is nothing to indicate that more people survive stabbings or getting run over than shootings.
It is called common sense. Also look at other countries where guns are heavily regulated like germany.

>>724057707
And? What's your point as to why they should be banned?
>(pref 7.62x39)
>Maybe if I name drop a cartridge it'll lend credence to my knowledge on firearms
Why 7.62x39? Why not any other fucking intermediate cartridge you fucking cock smoking retard.

>>724051626
because fuck you that's why

>>724058329
Nigger, you can pull it up online right this fucking second, you goddamned clown, lol. Way to make a fool of yourself.

>>724058307
>firing an entire fucking jacket, casing and all
>what the fuck is supersoldier research

what even

>>724058027
>>724058148

An anon posted asking for proof that violence trends have gone down, which I did.

And not all states have shown a decrease in violence. It isn't across the board. Alaska, North Dakota, Rhode Island, and a few others have shown increase.

>>724058441
>Germany has rapes galore due to migrants
>uses it as an example of the success of gun restrictions
>preaches about common sense

>>724052735
So True