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If we replaced the silicon in a processor with a metal, would

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If we replaced the silicon in a processor with a metal, would copper or silver work better?
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What kinda fucking question is that?
Go back to /g/ you basement dwelling Neard.
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>>724000568
Both would work identically
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>>724000950
#R3KT
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>>724001039
Finally. Question answered.
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>>724001090
But did you understand the answer?
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Is the silicon used as an insulator? If yes, they would both work just as bad
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>>724000568

No. It wouldn't. Silicon is a semi-conductor, and the entire process of tracing transistor elements onto silicon is based on this property. Metals are conductors and do not lend themselves to photomicrolithography.
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wouldn't work at all, you retarded piece of shit. learn how modern transistors work before you ask such stupid questions :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET
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>>724000950
>B
>Random
He can be here because it's a random board you dipshit, I mean Christ I know you just got here last summer but you can't fuck up that bad
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>>724001190
Silicon is used because its lattice structure and bonds lends itself to doping. No other reason. Other materials can be etched at similar scales
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>>724001066
Don't you have school to attend?
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>>724001380
No.
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>>724000568
LOL u stupid doesn t know how a transistor works
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>>724001206
#R3KT
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silicon
>semiconductor

copper or silver
>always conductor
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>>724001405
>Using numbers in words in place of letters
You're clearly 10, go back to bed little one
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>>724001429
>cant even speak english
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>>724001524
And you keep on getting #R3KT. What a fucking retard you are, hum?
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>>724001039
this is technically true, the best kind of true.
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>>724001039
No.
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You make processors from wiring switches together. In the old day, switches were relays like pic related, but they moved on to vacuum tubes, then eventually microscopic switches made out of silicon. It has special properties as a semi-conductor that lets you make it function like a switch.

You could make computers out of copper or silver switches, they just wouldn't be nearly as small.
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>>724002008
Yes actually. Please point out the error rather than being glib and facile. That is my job
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>>724002053
Need to automate the switches with some kind of logic
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>>724001190
found the spergelord moronic autist
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>>724002674
>Hurr too many syllables
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>>724000568
Fucking autistic question lol
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>>724002136
Explaining your answer would warrant a reply of similar quality.
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>>724003511
But at least mine is correct.
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>>724003570
Demonstrate that then. From my understanding the logic gates require the properties of semiconductors to work properly (read "at all").
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>>724003924
that's what he meant by "working equally"
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>>724004169
I thought that might be the case, but I felt that "working" implied that it would do something (other than heat up a little)
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>>724003924
Right. Re-read my reply.

Point out where i implied either option would work. I just provided a factually correct relative assesment.
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>>724004169
No, they wont work at all.
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>>724004258
>Both would work identically
>Both would work
>would work
How does this not imply a functioning processor?
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>>724004352
They both will work equally, with not working being at the bottom end of that functionality scale
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>>724004760
That's the intended meaning of the sentence. The implication is that they'd work at all.

The only thing that you could argue that implies what you intended to imply is silver being a better conductor then copper and each having the same performance. That's an implication of an implication at best
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>>724000568
Silver
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>>724004938
I never made any implication about either materials resistivity. Just that both would function equally as a semi-conductor. As framed by OPs question
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>>724005401
That's what makes it an implication of an implication. It's a good thing your job doesn't require literary skills.
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>>724005609
My job completely depends on precise literary skills. Implications are the domain of humanities graduates. Over explanation is the domain of the under educated.
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>>724005609
or designing integrated circuits.
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>>724005954
So, would OP's scenario work or not? Just to be clear.
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>>724005954
>attempts to imply something won't work
>fails
>asks for an explanation of how he failed
>is butthurt by the explanation
Stick to precise technical writing. You have no mind for nuance.
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>>724006063
No. You'd have some foil with designs cut into it. It'd act as a wire with a funny shape.
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>>724002351
Like switches that get controlled by switches?
>you must be on to something
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>>724006063
There is no viable substitute for silicon in microchips.

There are other materials that will work, but none improve the functionality... and none that even remotely compare for cost.
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>>724006377
Maybe the switches that switch the switches could be controlled by electrical impulses and some sort of algorithm?
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>>724000568
If you replaced the silicone with metal you would have one massive conductor
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>>724006484
Like electrical impulses coming from a switch that got switched?
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>>724006597
I thought that's how we were switching the switches. I figured we needed some way of controlling which switches switch which switches...
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>>724006695
This way is made from switches
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>>724006595
stop being such a pathetic wanker, you filthy fucking nigger
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>>724006695
Google logic gates
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>>724006732
Right, the switches switch the switches in order to get them to switch the other switches, but how do we get the first switch to switch the right switches to switch the switches that need switching?
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>>724006770
>missing the joke by this much
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>>724006901
I/O bus

But that might open a can of worms here
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>>724006901
By turning on the power
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>>724006950
Don't we want to separate our input and output so that when we switch the switches with the impulses the switches don't need to switch switches in a circle back to the bus?
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>>724007116
So we switch the first switch manually? I wonder if we can automate it somehow...
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Most obvious bait ever.
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>>724000568
The question is, why they use gold instead of silver to make the lite connections on the pins of the silicon die of chips, since silver its the better conductor of the metals at room temp, gold dont oxidise but its not like silver will be expose to air inside of the chip package.
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>>724007171
But you need the output to be available to modify the sucsessive inputs via the bus. A bus circle route is kind of important.
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>>724007224
That's what a clock is for
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>>724007501
This
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>>724000568
yes and no
technically yes, but it would be really fucking inefficient and hot.
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>>724007513
Sure, but isn't that what we have the switches for? If we need the switches to switch switches in a circle then the impulses that we feed the switches should switch the switches so that the impulse travels in a circle, but I don't think we're quite ready to be considering that yet.
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>>724007513
>>724007617
I'm too tired to keep this up. Night guys, it's been fun.
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https://youtu.be/8W9CA1QENqg
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>>724000568
You need to replace it with something that has variable conductivity so that you can connect and disconnect the flow of electricity at will. Because silicon is a semi-metal and not a full metal it's possible to alter its conductivity by applying a magnetic field.

To use silver or copper we would need to find some alternate way to disconnect the circuit. Old-fashioned computers used relays (physical springs and large magnets) to do this - although they were subject to breaking.

Also worth noting, old computers used copper. Not because it was a better conductor, but because it was cheaper.

Copper, silver, and gold all have the same number of valence electrons so they're literally exactly the same conductivity. Any one works as well as the other. Although silver and copper are much more reactive than gold - which is why we use gold for processor pins
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>>724009620
So much fail
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>>724000568
The microchip would cease to function.
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