The only two effective ways to maga and completely eliminate

Bump for trump

>>723653275
Cool story bro, but when the last time you fapped to boi pussy?

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Seriously though. Why can't this happen? Please give some arguments. I'm very curious.

Why won't this work? Why won't it go through into law? What the fuck?

>>723653415
Im fapping right now.

>>723653275
Because Obama will never allow it.

>>723653275
If you understood how civilizations advance from dirt to what they are today, you would eat your words. The key to a higher quality of life and a more advanced civilization is decentralized manufacturing and labor. When you have different people doing different things, you can produce more cheaply and efficiently than if you grow your own crops and build your own house. You're proposing a North Korea-esque economic plan that dictates we produce all of the things we need. This would severely hurt our economy and quality of life.

>>723653275
Because without trade, we would have to produce everything ourselves.

>>723653275
capitalism dont work that way

>>723654186
>key is decentralized manufacturing and labor
Are you pure autism in human form or just an incredibly retarded faggot?

How the hell can you argue these multi billion dollar companies, scraping and sleeving every last cent for their bottom line, not giving a shit about American jobs, could be a bad thing if we were to force them to do otherwise.

>>723654330
Why would any of those stop trade?

>>723654721
What the fuck? It was working just fine until the past couple decades corps. got greedy and wanted to swap paying Americans min wage for poor fucks taking. 20 cents/hr.

What the hell is wrong with these dumb asses itt?

>>723653275

>Picking and choosing what freedoms you want, disregarding the constitution.

>Wanting to get rid of the cheap labor force that is now building the US.

>Trying to change the problem externally instead of internally.

Yeah m8

>>723655350
Please go read a book or at least listen to a TED talk or something about economics before you ask me if I'm autistic. Please. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>723655512
You want all American companies to produce all goods exclusively on American soil, effectively killing trade for these companies and making America a slave to foreign companies even more than we already are.

Sounds a lot like Bernie Sanders to me.

>>723655681
Its not picking and choosing any freedoms. What?

One is a tax. It's not someones "right" to not be taxed. We're talking about trilliinaires btw.

The other is making it more illegal to do something that is already illegal. The current punishments don't scare business owners/rich people enough to make them not hire illegals.

Jesus Christ these are good ideas people. I didn't think people are this dumb.

Ah wait, I got it. A Mexican cleans your house eh?

>>723655630
Did you take 9th grade geography? The highest societies and economies don't manufacture, they provide services. By outsourcing jobs to cheaper labor, we are freeing up workers to do more service oriented jobs.

>>723655630

Do you like freedom?
>Yes :)

Do you like capitalism?
>Yes :)

Ah great so you must be ok with my company making more money and gaining on the market by shipping the workforce to a foreign country then. Giving more return to my investors. Im very glad you agree.

> you greedy fuck fuck you die ina Fire MAGA MAGA TAX EVERYTHING

>>723655965
If you like your idea of a self contained society where the country completely provides for itself without outsourcing labor of services, we would all be happy for you to leave and start a new life in North Korea. They have the exact same ideals as you and are literally starving.

>>723653275
Crazy shit, can't believe she did this
http://streamboobs.com

>>723655702
Ohhh you get your info on economics from Ted talks. Makes sense now.

>not believing jobs being outsourced to non-Americans is a good thing

Wow,just wow.

Let's dumb this down. What's better.

A company hiring an American out of college so that he can pay his 150k student loan off before he's 65

Or

Same company hiring an Indian for. 50 per hour and same American being unemployed ages 22-35

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>Decentralizing tho

Automation is going to displace more rural manufacturing than anything else. This idea of immigrants taking jobs is greatly outdated.

Immigrant labor, especially seasonal immigrant labor fulfilles niches that if done by Americans will greatly increase the cost of that product. Picking fruit? When there were immigrant shortages food rotted. Americans would not do the jobs at the wages offered. Especially considering that it requires them to relocate hundreds of more miles for a short period of time for a low paying job only to have it shut down weeks later.

>>723655350
>Asks 4chan to explain why his idea is retarded
>Somebody tells him why his idea is retarded
>WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING AUTISTIC FAGGOT RETARD
I haven't seen this before

>>723655702
>You want all American companies to produce all goods exclusively on American soil, effectively killing trade for these companies and
How dumb can this get. You are lost.

Those companies can still trade the final goods to other countries, ya dip.

In the same exact process. An American will be getting paid to produce it instead of some other dipshit in a foreign country.

>>723655925
How is this in any way socialist? What!?! Please explain

Do you NOT want a higher chance to get a job Billy?

>>723656466


The dipshit often does the lowest profit margin part of the entire process. The people at Apple in California make a ton of money and the people who manufacture the final products are the lowest end part of the entire system.

>>723656284
I suggested you educate yourself with some layman-targeted media so as to not hurt your little brain.
Yeah, because that's how capitalism works. If you want socialism, by all means go for it but taxing the shit out of all imported goods isn't how you do it

>>723655965
I pretty much only emply Mexicans or anything south of the border.

I rather pay 10$ an hour for a labor force that is very happy with that pay and actually strives to make me money than pay someone 15 or 17 that is going to bitch and moan and expect everything from me while calling OSHA on me.

>>723656602


Fuck a job. I am self employed. Be a capitalist.

>>723656466
What country is going to buy it from us at that price of manufacturing? You are arguing for high wages, yet you don't realize the same rules apply to us and that's why nobody imports goods from the us, because it costs so much more to make it here. Jesus apply your logic to what you are saying and you will realize it doesn't make sense

>>723653275

Reminder that punitive taxes are a far left idea, anti free market, and anti capitalism.

If you believe we should control the market with taxes you are a leftist, not a conservative.

>>723656693


Read 40 Hour workweek by Tim Ferriss. You can replace a lot of your customer service with Indian companies and pay a tiny fraction of the cost and have a 24/7 staff of people who are highly motivated to work.

$6-$10 per hour in most of the world gets you an incredibly motivated employee. $17 per hour gets you an American who drags ass.

>>723653275
>Millions upon millions of jobs going back to the people.

Millions upon of millions of jobs that Americans won't do.

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>>723653275
>make it illegal, or tax goods produced on foreign soil, by American companies, to be sold to American citizens.The tax should be high enough to make hiring sweatshop/cheap labor overseas unlucrative.
1. Who will ultimately pay for this higher tax? Consumers. You don't think all the applefags would cough up a few more c-notes for their ifones? Because they will.
2. Make overseas labor unlucrative. The usa isn't the only consumer in the world. Apple will gladly take their wares elsewhere. You can bet mexico & canada will jump at the opportunity. Not ifones in the usa and murricans will simply jump the border to get one. Who will get the sales tax then? Mexico & canada

>>723655999
They don't produce any more because they're all fucking outsourced dumb shit.

Clothing

Electronics

"high tech" as you say

Fucking knickknacks

Everything

Mostly owned by Americans corporations. ALL outsourcing the production of this shit for the CHEAP LABOR. No company wants to pay minimum wage.

How can you be this stupid?

Let's just take clothing for one damn example. Just one would bring thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of jobs back to America. Think of the mall. Go to the mall and go into any clothing shop. Think of how many Americans aren't able to get jobs making those clothes.

Think of all the shit being made in Indonesia, India, China. Every single label. Now imagine if everything HAD to be made here. The lower middle class and poor even could get decent paying, decent laboring jobs again. Like it was pre 1950.

How can so many people be this fucking brainwashed?

It would be a hit on companies bottom lines for a while having to hire Americans, yes, but ultimately it would re-invigor the middle class almost immediately.

>>723656941

There's no such thing as jobs Americans won't do, only wages Americans won't work for.

Your argument is:
>we need immigrants in the country so we can exploit them for cheap labor!!1!

>>723656170
>My Freedom
It'll never fucking in a million years be YOUR freedom. It's the 1%s freedom.

Nm I'm taking to a lost soul. So brainwashed by the actual 1% you're defending them at the cost of yours and other fellow Americans like yourselves chance at a decent life. Fuck you and your dumb shit. You are the problem.

>>723656876


American labor can't make low end things. We can only produce high end things. American labor does go to film production and we produce the highest grossing films in the world. We have high end engineers and designers in California that have a product consumed all over the world. We can't produce low quality goods and expect it to work. For the cheap shit people expect it has to be made in China or Mexico.

But when it comes to producing brooms we can't do it competitively. We can not make a competitive broom and export it. If you want to manufacture things at American wages it has to be very high quality products. Not Chevrolets.

>>723657054
Everything you've said makes sense. Wow I can see that I was wrong the whole time. Thanks for opening my mind

>>723656876

Just chiming in to say your argument is basically admitting that modern capitalism requires extreme exploitation to even be a viable economic model.

>>723656937
I don't have to read anything, i know how to make money.

I rather pay a Mexican who is happy with the work and works hard to make ME money 10 an hour, than paying an American 15 or 17 an hour who is going to expect benefits from me, and yearly raises and two to three weeks time off and all the holidays and my daughters virgen hole. No thanks.

>>723657054


Look at the company American Apparel. They are the largest clothing manufacturer in the United States and are based in Los Angeles. They have been struggling for years even though they produce a quality product. I have been a fan of the products for a long time but they cost drastically more than the foreign produced. In some cases its 25% more, in sometimes its 2.5 times the price.

We can't make cheap clothing in America. We can make expensive clothing, but not cheap clothing.

>>723657436
That's the way capitalism works my guy. I actually agree with the way northern Europe is running their economies. Socialism is the future, but to argue with pea brain here you have to stoop closer to his level and pretend you're a capitalist like he thinks he is.

>>723656182
Oh my god

How the hell is taxing hiring outsourced workers, that could be going to your neighbor, self contained fuck society? Holy shit.

Companies use the fact they're multi billionaires and abuse it. The abuse it in that no other small businesses can afford to create mills, plants, factories overseas then pay people literal cents on the dollar to foreigners compared to what they used to pay Americans for the same job.

How can you all be this fucking stupid?

Companies taking manufacturing outside the country is what KILLED the middle class you moron fucks.

How the hell can you argue for these prices? What is wrong with you? Where's your sense of pride for your country? These scheming fucking corps thinking of any way to rip off US the consumer by not hiring us, but selling this shitty shit to us, with no return. It's not how an economy should work. If you want one that's going to be self sustaining.

Soon it's going to be no one can afford to buy any of their shit, because no one has a job to afford it. All of our jobs are GONE

Where do you think they all went? Where are all the factories? And don't fucking say we don't produce anything. Are you seriously that fucking dumb to where you think because it says "china" on it, that means it's completely made by them? No they just make the shit you dumb fucks. Our 1% gets all the money for it. While giving nothing in return like it used to be when we had actual factories and warehouses here.

>>723657189
So what you are saying is;

I rather have no money than a little money.

This is american values?

I thought American values were about working hard and making something out of yourself, not sitting at home insted of going to an employment agency because it ONLY pays 9 dollars an hour instead of 11.

>>723657642


Read it anyway.

The Magamen basically want to control the labor pool and create a labor shortage. Donald Trump is all about creating leverage. If you are an employer you will not be able to do what you want to do and will have no choice but to employ expensive American labor.

>>723656323
>immigrants taking jobs

Please read what OP wrote

Immigration is number 2)

Our long gone lower middle class in America is due to 1)

>>723656356
You talked about centralized labor like it was happening in America at all or never did.

We did have labor here at one point. Then we didn't. Now our middle class has disappeared.

Why do you think that is Mr. Smarty?

Why oh why did we once have a strong middle class where a father's income alone in the 40s and 50s could buy a house by himself? Now an entire family can't afford one?

Hmm couldn't have been all those factories and labor jobs we once had was it? Mr. Smarty?

>>723657974

When you go shopping do you buy the most expensive goods you can? Or do you shop around based on price?

>>723656629
>bringing apple or tech jobs to a knife fight
Just go away. You don't understand.

>>723658493


The products that people made in the 1940s and 1950s would not be remotely viable in today's economy.

We also produce way more cars in the US today than we did during that period of time but due to modern manufacturing techniques they are far less labor intensive.

>>723657197
>Im not smart enough to make money so i want to pick and choose what parts of capitalism suit me and my opinions.

Take this from a former porfag who now owns a couple of businesses;

1. You are either a troll or really fucking retarded.
2. You can make money. You choose not too. You choose to complain about ME making money, because YOU cant.

If you dont want to wake up at 4am to get in line at your local staffing agency, then its your fault you are poor. Not mine. I have been there anon.

>>723658609

One of the largest and most successful companies in the United States. It is completely relevant. The actual manufacturing of their products is a very low margin part of the system.

I bet everyone itt bashing OPs topic also think it's a right and their freedums to be able to move a corporations HQ to a different country in order to dodge taxes. They also probably think this stimulates economy.

I can't believe the stupidity in this thread. Good points OP.

>>723653275
The reason it will never happen is that there are agents that exploit labor, and want the cheapest, most pliant labor possible. And they run the system.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? "No," says the man in Washington, "it belongs to the poor." "No," says the man in the Vatican, "it belongs to God." "No," says the man in Moscow, "it belongs to everyone." I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different.

>Replies 53

>Posters 10

You are replying in a troll thread fagit.

>>723656633
>screaming socialism over the thought of one tax
Keep sticking up for multi billionaires because you think you'll become one one day.

The shit I'm talking about would effect you in no negative way. These corporations are so far out of anyone's league, have all the laws loopholed, and ass fucking the consumer on a daily basis.

Keep sticking up for them though. Idk what hope there is for you. What ever happened to patriotism?

>>723658493
You are trying to fix a problem inherent to capitalism by hurting the consumer even more by taxing imported goods. Why not fix it by taxing the profits of the"trillionares" as you call them.

>>723658676
>>723658493


Also remember that there was not very much global manufacturing after WW2. American manufacturing had very little competition and as soon as the rest of the world built up their manufacturing the US quickly lose their edge in the global market place.

The reality is that Americans need to produce things which are viable on a global market. most of the world is NOT the United States and there are billions of potential customers in the world and cheap American goods are not viable as exports.

There is a reason why Chevrolet doesn't export very much beyond North America. Its considered a low quality product in Europe and Asia.

>>723655702
hahahahahah TED, so we can learn about how being obese is healthy and why we live in a rape culture. GTFO

>>723656693
This is exactly why corporations pay overseas labor. The difference between you and every small business owners and then corporations is, they can fucking afford it.

They effectively enialated the middle class in the past 40 years by doing so.

Why do you all defend this? Don't you want your strong middle class back you fucks? This is the reason why it is gone.

Please go ahead and try to make up some bullshit excuse as to why else it's gone. Please anyone. I'm begging here. I need to hear the bullshit.

>>723659172
You misinterpreted my argument. I'm saying if you don't like capitalisms flaws, fix them in a way that works, not the Humpty Dumpty shit you're proposing

>>723653275
Let me explain this slowly for your inbred edgy brain to comprehend.
1.- Look around the basement your parents still allow you to use. What do you see? First of, a monitor. What brand is it? Is it made in the USA? How much did you paid for it? Would you pay more double if it bears a Made in USA sticker on the back? How many brands of monitors are proudly Made in USA? Do they offer you as much features and quality as a Korean or Japanese brand? Now, think about your computer, how much components are Made in USA? How about the clothes you're wearing? Do you think because your mom bought them on Walmart with a major retail USA label, they are Made in USA? Now look at your appliances, your cellphone, the lightbulbs, etc. How does it for you to have cheap, reliable products in your life that are not Made in USA? That kind of cost/benefit makes you have more money to spend on more products that can fulfill more necessities. Maybe 80% of the things you use on a daily basis are foreign. Boy, sure must suck, huh?

2.- Making illegal aliens (Fun fact: Not all of them are Mexicans, some are from Argentina, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru, Haiti, etc) have a sterner way to fill the jobs that nobody wants to do for so little pay, will only increase the money someone has to pay to an American for him to take the job. Would you take a job a tomato picker to contribute to the proud chain of production of the USA? Fuck no, you want a cool job with cool benefits that you can be proud of... but still, you want to go to the market and find your tomatoes, lettuce, cabbages at a cheap price. Right? Would you pay 4 times the price of a vegetable for a proudly Made in USA tomato picked by an all-american worker?

Think about it, son. Your wage would not suffice to live in you idiotic utopia. Globalization is a lesser evil that makes life easier.

>>723659332
TED is shit, but it will at least provide OP with the shrivel of intelligence that he needs to argue his point.

>>723656876
They bought it before pretty much every corporation outsourced every little thing.

Can ya think back a few decades? Try it. How did those companies become multi billionaires? They started here.

AN example

Ford

Now they manufacture MOSTLY out of country. HQ s still in USA, but most done overseas. Almost every other car you see is now foreign. A lot of them owned by American companies, but manufacturing overseas because it's so damn cheap.

Sooo many other companies like this.

What's the harm in asking a company making billions to employ Americans once again? Like it used to be the entire country's existence? Only this and the last generation companies started doing this in China and other places. It effectively killed our middle class.

>>723656915
Its not controlling the market. It's closing a "loophole" to scrape a few more bucks, from American consumers, adding to bottom lines.

How can you say this shit with a straight face? It's completely unfair.

>>723659631
They bought it before pretty much every other country outcompeted us labor wise. Please read
>>723659323

>>723659343

Its gonne because they are lazy fucks who wont work for my 10 an hour.

Incompetence is not my fault.

The Mexicans make a lot out of my 10 an hour, im friends with a few of them, ive been to their houses.

Unfortunately Americans dont want to work. They feel entitled.to have everything handed on a plate. Meanwhile Jose is eating alll he can while Tod is at home on his computer complaining on an image board.

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Only a fool that doesn't know how science works would want to eliminate immigration and still think they can remain competitive as a nation.

You want to tax the wealthy?

Tax land ownership outside of one's primary residence. Wealthy people own multiple homes as a means of wealth preservation in a protected asset that is taxed at a very low rate (1% in most of the country).

You want to tax the wealthy? Add a 1% on all financial transactions at the banking level. All bank transfers, checks, debits, withdraws, everything at all levels. This would cost the average person nothing but wealthy people who flip lots of money around would pay every time.

>>723656937
So, you're saying you'd rather pay for them Americans with your tax dollars because they can't get a job because American manufacturing is completely dead at the moment? Mc Donald's can only employ so many.

>>723656941
Can't do because they're long gone. Lmao what?

>>723659891
Manufacturing is not dead. You said yourself; "there are wages Americans wont work for"

You yourself stated the true problem.

>>723660091


Americans are very good at high end manufacturing but not stuff on the low end, which is most things. You want to pay someone $30 per hour to manufacture it better be something high end or else the whole process isn't viable.

>>723660348
>im just going to dodge your points and evry other solid argument in this thread because i dont like it and it makes me have to think of a real response that i cant justify.

Yeah m8

>>723656959
>1. Who will ultimately pay for this higher tax? Consumers. You don't think all the applefags would cough up a few more c-notes for their ifones? Because they will.
No

Yeah, yeah, companies would try to charge 500.00 for something that was once 90.00 purchase right? But, how did it work before when America had manufacturing? It happened once before. The market, being the great thing that it was and always will be, would equalize itself like it does.

Prices may try to skyrocket to compensate companies on having to pay (omg so demanding) minimum wage once again. Then if companies didn't lower their prices, they wouldn't get bought and subsequently go out of business.

The multimillionaire corporations would ultimately pay by making say, 90 million/quarterly now instead of 100 million like they were screwing the consumer by not offering then a job to produce their shitty goods.

More jobs here, equals more money for the consumer equals more goods bought.

What you fucks fail to recognize is that now, with corps. taking jobs overseas is they make more money, the sweatshop worker makes a little money, and the American makes no money in the form of no job. Well, the lost lower middle class loses ultimately.

The upper class, and upper middle class changes none, because they all work non-labor jobs anyway.

>>723660348
This is real life retard not an rpg where certain races have +10 better quality build on things because reasons.

>>723653275
You dumb dilusional fuck Mexico is not buying corn from the United States anymore wich makes farmers lose millions also they are gonna tax every import from the U.S.A to Mexico not to mention that they did a crazy law that if youre a U.S citizen you gotta pay some visa tax to go to Mexico, trust me if there is one country I know how to fuck people out of money with politicians it is Mexico, some senators earn even more than the president of the United States
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0TUif2K08

>>723655965
this^ business doesn't want illegals gone because then they'd have to pay people at least minimum wage. (i do find it kind of funny that the party that's always pushing to raise the minimum wage for legal workers, is also the party that's fine with more illegal workers being here making less than minimum) If it was made mandatory for all businesses to use E-verify and the punishments made severe enough that businesses wouldn't want to risk hiring illegals a big chunk of the problem would go away.

>>723658719
>>Im not smart enough to make money so i want to pick and choose what parts of capitalism suit me and my opinions
Typical egotistical fuck American. Intellectual here people, watch out.

Im personally probably smarter or as smart as you. I was lucky enough to go to college. I'm not talking about the few that can and do.

Im talking about the long gone laborer, dumb shit. It seems to be a current problem in America, because we once had a lower middle class. We once had jobs due to companies manufacturing here on American soil.

Now we don't.

How the fuck can anyone be defending this? Is it good to not have jobs here? What the fuck am I missing? Is it really just this elitist faggot prick attitude?

>I'm smarter than everyone and ewwww laborers aren't smart enough to circumnavigate complex economic troubles of our nation in order to get a job so fuck them.
>we don't need no middle class no more
>protect multi-billion dollar companies at all cost

Is this really the problem? I bet it is too.. Lol wow.

>>723656876
the problem is eventually as the economy becomes even more global the cost of manufacturing anything anywhere is going to end up being the same. manufacturing costs in China have been rising for years which is part of the reason China manipulates it's currency so much in attempts to keep it cheap to make stuff there

>>723657436
No I'm not

Im admitting our economic Model enables the richest companies to earn extreme, almost unrealistic wealth, that will pass down a family until civilization crumbles.

The system allows the rich and only the rich to succeed.

Its only going to get worse with this mentality that you, an average fucking person, is so intellectual that you think protecting these businesses, that will never give two Shits about you, is more important than helping your fellow neighboring Americans.

You are closer to a poor nigger than you will ever be to any one of these corporations. Maybe you should start thinking like it.

>>723658160
Wrong Wrong
He said he couldnt raise the minimun wadge
>>723657642
This is true most are people willing to work fuck Trump and his tiny hands im not gonna be working the fields that shit is hard labor but I have an idea wich I got it from schindlers list.
Fuck Trump the joke went too far.

>>723657642
OP isn't talking about you. He's talking about businesses that actually make a difference in the world. Small business isn't making our middle class dissappear.

Its the ones that can employ thousands of employees at a time. Those companies are hiring Mexicans, Indians, europoors, and any other Asian country you can think of.

Those jobs, that once were available to Americans, are gone now. OP is talking about getting an idea out there to bring them back.

It never has and never will be immigrants taking our jobs. It's companies bringing those jobs to the immigrants. On their own soil.

You're all fucking blind. This is why our middle class is gone. There is no hope with these mentalities.

This seriously makes me sad anons. Why do none of you care about this?

>>723661355

>Im personally probably smarter or as smart as you. I was lucky enough to go to college.

>Has to got to college to learn how to make money

Hahahaahah weww lad you had me going there for a bit.

Ill tell you a short story.

Kids at HS bullshat all day on the books and got high.
B average student me works hard at school
No collage
Work my ass of in real life
Always hungry for more
Pick up skills here and there
Get idea to start business
Stuggle
Struggle more
Think of dear mama
Succeed
Go on image board and read about some faggot who is calling me out saying that im a bad guy for some reason.
No greentext because you dont deserve it.

>>723653275
Then the economy will collapse, and then they will realise the judgemental error of their ways...
The reason they take those jobs is because everyone here is too lazy to do it.
They cross borders because there is easy money everywhere here that almost no american is willing to put effort toward.
I don't understand why people have such a problem with immigration!

Jesus Christ! reading what /b/ has to say about economics is like listening to anything Trump has to say. ie..retarded. We are interdependent in a global economy and there is no going back. Trump may talk nationalism but the reality is that the world is completely interdependent.
We can cut off the goods from other country's but that would make cars, TVs and every thing else we buy cost 3 or 4 times more. The USA economy would sink like a ball bearing in very wet mud. Anybody got a fix for that?

>>723653275
>The tax should be high enough to make hiring sweatshop/cheap labor overseas unlucrative.
Do you want to pay twice as much for everything? In other words, do you want to cut your salary in half?

>>723661958
There is literally jobs everywhere.... im hiring right fucking now... ask me how many Americans want to cut stone for 10 an hour? Or do framework for 13, or pour concrete, or fucking clean houses for 8.
Now ask me how many hispanics show up eagered to work today.

>>723658499
Obvious question is obvious

Here's one for you

When a company overcharges, do they lower the price or go out of business unable to sell anything?

Its works both ways, moron.

I know what you're saying though. If we forced the companies to hire Americans, instead of Chinese, we couldn't afford anything. No, think again about our great capitalism and its mysterious self healing/equalizing ways.

Yes, companies would finally be the ones footing the bill for being greedy fucks for Soooo long at the cost of American manufacturing going to non-American.

So what? So they'd bring in 9 trillion as opposed to 10 million. What's it really matter to us ultimately. None of us will see that.

>>723662108
yeah fuck not feeling like working the fields, working to make cars, that shit is too hard for me.
shit not even niggers want to do those jobs, also construction.
He is gonna fuck up the country so bad because of his yes men, he is used to everyone kissing his ass honestly I can tell he lives in his own fucking universe

>>723658676
Automobiles, clothes, tech, etc. Etc. Etc. Every single factory owned by American billionaires, producing the same goods we buy today, manufactured by labor overseas, etc. Etc.

Pretty much everything. But, yeah, nothing is manufactured EXACTLY the same like it was in the 50s Lol

>>723659126
It could be possible if enough people spoke up about it. Just like anything.

This thread has scared the shit out of me though. 90% of the people defend billionaire corporations like they're their own brainchildren.

Terrifying. Nothing will ever change. No, you're right anon. Sadly.

>>723662023
> I have made my own job also and work for myself.
> I am a skilled HVAC tech and I worked for others most of my life.
>my work is off the sweat of my labor.
>In hundred degree days I work in 140 degree attics for hours.
> I am proud of what I do and treat others as I would be treated.
>Life is hard and I would not want it otherwise.

>>723659140
Nah just a few people posting a lot of good points. Moron.

A sad truth though. This thread is overlooked while everyone posts in trap, s/fur, and topical bullshit of the day.

Our middle class is destroyed. I hoped more would care about this topic. Not edgy enough I guess.

Niiiiiice and quiet on this front though. Just how the overlords like it.

>>723659175
What OP suggest has never been done on a scale large enough like American corporations have. Think about it. This is something entirely different. Also at the cost of an entire class of the most powerful nation in history. What the fuck.

Capitalism, capitalism, capitalism,..
For fucks sake. There ARE laws today put in place to keep some kind of check on our capitalism. We need one more.

American business got along just fine while they manufactured on our soil. The middle class, upper class, and lower classes were a lot more happy than they are today. You foot the bill for all of the Americans out of work and not getting enough. All while corporations are laughing their way to the fucking bank.

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT ANON?

Also seems to me back in the day when so called companies where here in the good old US of A. most Employees did not have rights or access to any benefits.

>>723659323
Please explain this to me:

What good does a Chinese worker do, making a product for an American company, that an American consumer is going to buy on American soil?

Question 2:

What would happen is all American manufacturing jobs returned to America. What would happen is American corporations were no longer allowed to outsource?

Please answer

>>723656693
Maybe not run slaveshops with bare minimums and zero safety standards faggot.. fuck right off into the sun

>>723659382
I tried. What better way is there to bring jobs back here than a simple tax?

A tax that would fix the loophole corporations already abuse in order to circumnavigate the American minimum wage law

If you manufacture in this country, you should have to pay for minimum wage, should you not? Oh, wait, no the billionaires don't have to cause they can afford to say, fuck your shit America, we're gonna go else where, but still reap the rewards of selling our shit to American consumers, while fucking them in the ass by not offering them that job opportunity anymore.

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>>723659575
>Globalization is a lesser evil that makes life easier.
tldr except that part

No, son, globalization is a cheap way for corporations to loophole paying Americans minimum wage, Billy.

Don't worry though, you'll be one soon. Keep protecting them, fellow American. I like the cut of your jib.

>>723663601
The corps and their lobbyists have paid the politicians to change the laws in their favor.
The middle class got the short stick.
No matter what they tell you there is only so much money available and the super rich are taking more and more of it. That is a fact.
Now we have the richest cabinet in history in the White House and their only desire is to take even more. Nothing to do about it. We are fucked.

All you can do is watch as the money goes to the top.
Trickle down my ass.

>>723663685
In the old days people got benefits like cheap insurance.

>>723659805
>it's greedy fuck cheap assAmericans that's the problem
Ftfy

You're still fucking over your fellow American neighbor by employing an illegal person.

I bet you wanted a wall built and voted for trump too, huh? You are the problem. They'd all not stay here if no one employed them. Thanks for your service to our country.

>>723663796
Very simple. Price of goods would triple or quadruple and the whole economy would tank.

>>723659811
Only immigration from a few countries. The shit countries. The countries that don't bring wealth or intelligence with them. Just labor trying to get American money because their own country is too poor to pay them.

Prove mi wrong. Tu cannot.

>>723661043


Part of is just the labor cost. If one group of people can produce something or a labor cost that is 1/4th the labor cost of an American labor then that is a huge advantage in the marketplace.

American labor is expensive, and that comes with an inherit disadvantage when it comes to manufacturing low dollar items.

>>723659856
It would cost the manufacturers ultimately though. They'd be forced to lower costs to sell their items. While at the same time bringing employment back to a dead economy. It would be rough for a while, yes, but ultimately those companies unwilling to change would go out of business opening opportunity for the ones that do.

>>723661355


American manufacturing has also greatly changed. The only manufacuting we can do at a viable level is fairly skilled shit that requires highly trained workers. The lower middle class that was able to go get repetitive monkey work in the past has been replaced by automated processes. The guy with no education could go into manufacturing in the 1950s, but not so much today.

>>723660091
I think that was a different anon. Just imagine every Mexican went poof from this earth into heaven. It would work. You'd just have to pay slightly more for a short time. Enough small business would complain and min wage for that kind of work could get lowered if small business truly couldn't afford to pay Americans what Mexicans once got for labor. Wages.

>>723664347
Cheap insurance of course because back in the day, not many people got sick or many treatments weren't available to anybody like today. That require expensive equipment and medication.

>>723662385


There is always plenty of low wage work to do. Its just not viable for Americans to do it. Hell look at all the old people that need to be taken care of by CNAs. You want to wipe an old person's ass for $9 per hour? I don't.

>>723664619
That and the CEO's got to have their millions of their greed money. It is a double whammy, the top takes the top and the bottom gets nothing with the middle plan ass cut out more and more.

>>723661270
Mexico is not and never was the problem. Small business owners paying Juan to buff his car isn't eliminating the middle class.

When are Americans going to realize Mexicans and immigration is all a misdirection to mask the true problem:

Our middle class is gone because there are no jobs for them (I.e. All the factory work we once had that is now in China and overseas)

>>723663796


It would drasically increase the cost of those goods produced for the domestic market. While people would find jobs they would find that their purchasing power is diminished due to the costs of expensive manufacturing.

>>723661317
If all Americans thought like you economically, the middle class would be restored in a year.

>>723665036
Very funny, The doctors used to be like normal wage earners and medicine used to be reasonably priced. Now it is greed controlled with everybody taking every thing they can garb and fuck the rest of us. True story. Greed is king.

>>723665533


One way to lower the cost of medical labor and medicine is by opening it up to the global market. Medicine in America is a good disaster story of when we insist on doing everything domestically and turn away just about all imports.

Those $500 epi-pens are sold by various countries all over the world for under $30. However importing them is illegal and we have to put up with one company having a legal monopoly on the product.

Open that up to a global market so other manufactures can compete on price and we would have a completely different situation.

>>723654186

Incorrect sir. That's how the USA became so great in the first place. It was only in the 50s and 60s that imports really started to make inroads. Before that imported meant expensive because of high tariffs to protect American industry

>>723653275
Protectionism is a hard sell for most people especially since it has a bad track record. Better solution is to force minimum wages on the international community so that no country provides cheaper labor as an advantage to exporting jobs. Then we just start up the eugenics program and MAGA hard.

>>723665855


And those same protected American industrialists ripped off their captive American customer base. They more or less formed economic cartels which kept consumer prices high.

>>723662023
90% of all business ventures fail. Can we agree you are lucky. Extraordinary, if you will, and not like the average American?

Can we also go as far to say most poor and middle class people who don't have daddy's money while starting life absolutely need to be able to find a decent paying job to not be on welfare in some way and to succeed?

>>723665923


Cheap labor is an advantage. Even within the United States. Should firms in high labor areas of California and New York be prohibited from outsourcing to low income areas in the US like Mississippi and West Virginia?

>>723665993


Somehow Mexicans who don't even speak the language or have any money are able to start businesses in the US but native born and educated Americans are completely unable to do this.

>>723663838
Maybe stop being a lazy faggot, maybe stop expecting me to pay you in gold bars for something a trained monkey can do.

>>723664452

Its lazy Americans that is the problem,
>Thanks for your service to our country.

Your welcome. Trumpatino is a retard.

>>723664873
If that happened i would have to charge more for my services and goods, nobody would buy shit. Not to mention i would have to deal with lazy employees who expect me to shit gold bricks.

I have a batter idea, how about we stop complaining and work with the other illegals who make 10 an hour cutting stone and not complain and ve employed and make money and be happy and work hard and do basically what illegals do. Instead of being lazy and entitled. Why cam we just do that. Why cant we just not be lazy entitled fucks.

>>723665079
Then dont do it amd stop complaining when consuela does it.

So I notice by reading all the posts that the existing system is not sustainable. The super rich are taking most of the pie and the poor are getting poorer while the middle is being cut the fuck out.

Now by chance the very richest are calling the shots.
Do not let them get away with taking more and more. This is completely up to you in how you fight it.
Go Trump or not...up to you

>So, I ask fellow Americans, why hasn't this happened yet?

Small businesses rely on illegal immigrants, as do entire farming industries

>>723662108
>Then the economy will collapse, and then they will realise the judgemental error of their ways...
Why would it collapse? Is illegal immigration workers were gone?

>The reason they take those jobs is because everyone here is too lazy to do it.
And because they can. Because people here illegally hire illegal aliens. If this stopped, no more Mexicans here. No wall needed.

>They cross borders because there is easy money everywhere here that almost no american is willing to put effort toward.
If people stopped employing them, they'd hire Americans. I'm sure out of all the Americans with no jobs and no skills, enough so to where they'd apply for a job Juan would, you could find one out of the bunch with decent work ethic.

>I don't understand why people have such a problem with immigration!
Its small business owners way to circumnavigate minimum wage. This brings me to my original point 1)

Corporations go overseas to avoid paying minimum wage.

Small business pays illegals to avoid min wage.

No one wants to fucking pay what they're suppose to. Then it fucks everything up. Minimum wage wouldn't have to be so high if corporations brought all their work back to American soil. There would be enough work and an actual market place for people to find work that it could be lowered.

>>723666181
>Somehow Mexicans who don't even speak the language or have any money are able to start businesses in the US but native born and educated Americans are completely unable to do this.

citation please

>>723665993
90% of business ventures are food restaurants. I had some luck but it was mostly my hard work and quick thinking that kept me out of the water at the beginning.

Also i was a poorfag who had to work at staffing agencies. I made a decent living working construction. I also made a decent living operating machines. The jobs are out there. Decent pay is out there. You are just too lazy to do actually real work.

>>723662306
You sound like the economists screaming for the bailout.
>everything would crumble. We cannot let it fail!!
When in reality every single corporation would be just fine. Slightly less earnings every quarter, but fine.

>>723665833
Good luck with that. Trump met with the drug guys lobbyists and decided he would let the market here alone and not fight for lower prices for the rest of us.

>>723666447


So have Americans work for $5 per hour busting ass. Then expect to have any remotely decent standard of living.

>>723666580
unrelated, but that banking bailout fucking still infuriates me.

>no one ever punished or held responsible
>Fined a few banks, who gives a fuck
>they are getting deregulated again
>privatize profits
>socialize losses

They should have strung some of those fucks out the windows of those wall street skyscrapers

>>723662326
No. I just wouldn't buy the product until it was lowered in price.

Its amazing the number cnbcfinancial and other news finance coverage has done on everyone's economic thinking. Never anything like companies lowering prices or things like that. Just everything would go under if prices had to go up.

It works both ways. Always.

>>723663238
Wouldn't it be good if you had a few more options? Like your father had or his before him. When we actually manufactured on American soil.

>>723666765


They can only produce a product if they make a profit in doing so. If their labor costs go up significantly their profit margin shrinks greatly. Eventually investors will no longer want to put money towards that enterprise and foreign investors will just not even touch the united states.

Also the big boom will be investment in automation replacing the human labor all together.

>>723666580
Jesus will save us I am sure.In fact we are the chosen ones. Trump is our dear leader.

>>723666690
Wish I could even pretend to be surprised

My only hope is that somehow he will fuck up the corporations at some level. Like he will get all crazy about it, because 3 years in everyone is calling him a piece of shit. Fuck my dad is all

>Trump brought back jobs
>Already saved us 10B dollars
>Media lies to say he is doing bad
>He will MAGA

Yeah, cuz he is going to fucking bring back steel jobs? I guess he can bring back coal by just shitting all over EPA restrictions, and poisoning the rivers and shit. But MFG jobs are fucked here. Man he got so pissed, I said

>Paying carrier $7M to keep 700 jobs isn't really a great deal

He was like

>rage: when you give people jobs, they spend it at stores, the economy grows!

>dad: when I say that giving people welfare money is better than tax cuts for the rich, because they spend it at the stores, and the economy grows...you freak the fuck out.

>dad: this is why we can't talk politics

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>>723666999
Those trips are bending my eyes

>>723666957


Don't glorify the past. A shitload of people in that era made a meager living and had very few options and most people, even those who had 'gud jawbs' did not have a lot of purchasing power.

>>723667141
the good old days: asbestos cancer, dumping solvents straight into the rivers, lead poisoning making people retarded and violent

I have an easier way. Stop hiring illegal immigrants. Done.

>>723665855
America was never great. It was always a trick of the news, to make Americans accept the ridiculous amounts of corruption.

$500 billion to build interstates? Sure, you got your interstates. America is great. But who got the gig to build them?

>>723663685
Everything

Every little thing you can think of has gone up in price to feed corporations and their Wallstreet leeches. It's nothing like it was then.

We are getting butt fucked on a daily basis by corporations. Why more Americans aren't in arms about this I will never know. We are all just cattle taking the prod assly, daily. We will never fight. We will never scream for a difference in the face of our corporated overlords. Just keep chugging along that 9-5.. Err that 6-6 and never make a sound.

OP proposed a change to the assfuckery. Can't believe so many anons defend the corporations over your own countrymen. (corporations are imaginary people, not your countrymen and they anally rape you hourly)

>>723653275
>the I failed economics 101 post

>>723667270


I have traveled and visited my countrymen. They are assholes. Corporations go out and do shit and not look for cush make work jobs.

>>723666957
I am happy with the sweat of my labor. Once the Pilgrims did just that. You only get what you pay for. Even the very rich suffer for that, what is handed to them is nothing and leaves them wanting.

>>723664558
Question three:

What would happen if Americans simply didn't buy the now highly priced shit they don't really need until they lowered cost?

Question 4:

What negative effect would a corporation manufacturing say neck ties going out of business, that refused to lower prices, have on the average American?

>>723653275
3) Armageddon.

>>723667458

Question 4. Americans now become poorer as some good goes up in price. Their purchasing power is now less than it was. Factor this over entire sectors of the economy and you may find yourself having Americans take a sacrifice in their consumption and quality of living . They may have a manufacturing job, but when it comes down to what their paycheck can do for them it may be considerably less than before.

>>723667270
It's easy to trust in the corporations when the "news" is all about immigrants taking your jobs etc.

Of course it is only a play to get people to believe what the corporations want the people to believe.

>>723664847
> The lower middle class that was able to go get repetitive monkey work in the past has been replaced by automated processes
Why do you think all those corps went overseas, hiring humans, instead of just making robots here though? Obviously cheaper and most of all not everything can be done by robots. Even a lot of monkey work.

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>mwf all the sjw bullshit including BLM are all rules to get Americans off the 1% topic

>>723668121
Now you got it.

>>723667458
Question 3, they wont. if the bottom line is dropped then they wont ever get the goods after that and the whole system goes to heck.
Question 4. The neck guys hang themselves and never produce the neck ties again
System goes belly up. system goes belly up.
Owners in gated community with guards lasts a generation longer. we are still fucked

>>723653275
The joke is there are millions of jobs which can't be matched like Senior Software Engineers because most Trump supporters aren't nearly as qualified.

So they try the easy way and go for low requirements jobs instead of kicking themselves in the ass and putting in the effort in getting the requirements

But blaming a minority or generally others is always easier. I hope Trump teaches you a lesson and you won't remain a primitive for life

>>723668121
Go the fuck back to /pol/. You haven't a clue what is going on here. Too deep for your little mind.

>>723665923
If they just enforced minimum wage on foreign manufacturing they'd still probably stay there with no jobs returning. I'm sure there are other cheaper costs for them on foreign soil.

You're probably right though. I like your ideas. This is why I came itt. To see more ideas to get the middle class back

>>723666181
Standing on the corner with Oranges isn't a business. This is what you mean right? Really though. What business are you talking about? Laundering fronts for the cartels?

>>723668423
Get a fucking college degree in math or physics and stop whining

>>723666329
>If that happened i would have to charge more for my services and goods, nobody would buy shit. Not to mention i would have to deal with lazy employees who expect me to shit gold bricks.

Think about this a bit. Why would you go under if you had to pay your employees minimum wage?

What factor is making it impossible in the country for employers to stay in business while paying decent wages? Have to think up for this answer. Way up. Has to do with OPs underlying point

>>723668555


Selling a product is a business. That is what capitalism is.

>>723665923
Now you are talking globalism. But the truth is that the USA is great already at the expense of the third world countries. If we brought every body up we would be a great deal poorer then we are now.

most human beings recognize
practicality
in their milleau and surroundings,where their fellow beaners hang,all watch telly moondoh oony vee zyon,and see the deporteds getting deported,news vids go everywhere on the news in papers,they get the message,the intent is to get that message accross
birders and seas,,you come here no papels you get a sammich & they send you home,you come back,you go to jail,,cops here,if they bust you for petty crime,you get sent home,you use a gun in a holdup 5 years here,or get deported & DO,,, NOT,,,,COME,,,,BACK
simple

>>723668688


Americans don't to work for minimum wage. Minimum wage would be a massive downgrade for nearly all manufacturing in the US.

>>723666444
But the very people employing them hate them and want them gone from the country.

What?

>>723668423
The only that I can see the middle class coming back is for the super rich to cut back on the greed.
Money is a big pie and the 1% vsuper rich have 3/4 of it.

>>723666710
I am totally for abolishing min wage. Let workers choose if they want to work for less or not. It's only hurting Americans. It's only driving away employers.

Still. Higher jail time(if there's even any jail time associated with hiring illegals - I'm from NY. I have no idea) for hiring illegals needs to be put in place. You're still breaking the law. I'll back my theory up again, too. No illegal Mexicans being hired, means they'll leave and won't comeback. No wall needed.

>>723665855

>economic monopoly on general manufacturing for decades on end as a result of japan and germany being wiped out as manufacturing competition in WWII

This is what made america "great". Trying to be the number one producer of everything at this point will just lead to poverty and dillusional patriotism much like north korea. Take an entry level college macroeconomics course if you want more in depth answers, there are 12,000 graduates every year in business administration just in Canada who know not to ask these questions.

>>723668790
Well fuck, did not know that. My daughters boy friend works part time for 7 bucks an hour. please enplane that. He has tried for the past 2 years to do better.

>>723666740
Agreed /b/ro. I knew it would happen too.

I always thought the banks were mad their housing bubble got put in the spotlight and just did that as a big fuck you just because they could.

Make up a few lies about how the economy would tank if they failed. Scare the shit out of everyone. Fuck you pay me, bitch.

Gross

>>723666969
GOOd so let them go bankrupt! When was the last time you saw a major corporation go bankrupt? They have NO fear of anything. Ever. They do as they please. Fuck the American taxpayer out of as much money as they can with their ALREADY high priced bullshit. Then come back and ask for more.

Fine. Good. Great. Let the smart companies adjust. The country was built on corporations rising and failing. All they do now is rise. The 1% of business rises and will never change if we never make them change.

Anon, it's literally your mentality that makes it never change. Too many people think like you. I'm not insulting you, I'm just saying that's a fact. The status quo will continue to be unless we make it different. No?

>>723669204
You totally make a shit load of money and have no idea what the working poor go through.
How would you like to work a 50 hr week and not make enough to feed 2 kids..... Wait. you must be a repug Trumper, insensitive ass hole

>>723667202
>>723667141
>the good ol days
>an actual middle class
>not having 4 corporations run our entire economy (walmart)
>actual monopoly laws and them being enforced
>opportunity in business
>small businesses actually being able to survive
>not being bought out by best buy, target, Walmart, etc. The second they go up

>>723667210
2 hrs itt thread now. Eyes hurt. OP applauds your thinking.

>>723667253
At least it wasn't always owned by Walmart and Microsoft

>>723669204
Shit holes like you should be put behind bars. The working poor and I mean Americans can hardly make it on min wage as it is. They are adults with kids and are starving in the USA right now.
Fuck, I really hate privileged shit holes like you.
Go back to /pol/ and get the fuck off /b/

>>723667286
>Le redditer knows the future of America's economy meme
One fact is sure. The middle class is gone or disappearing in the US. I proposed a change to that. There isn't enough discussion on it. The news jukes you daily whenever we're on to something (remember the 1% protests? What changed?)

I proposed something. What did you do on /b/ today?

>>723669806
your thread did some good OP

>>723668197
Im sick of you pseudo-economists always trying to say exactly what will happen if this economic thing, you have no fucking idea really about, would change.

All i know is that monopolies have a stranglehold over American business now more than they ever had.

The lower middle class is gone mostly on welfare and people are bitching about illegal immigration. If you're going to argue economics, at least do it in a way that would benefit most of us. OP out.

>>723669942
Your idea thinks min wage helps poor families

Mine believes it restricts their opportunities by flat our driving away employment in a lot of cases.

We both agree poor need to be helped. You sound like you have blue hair with that rhetoric, though. Do you have blue hair by chance?

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time to stock pile food

>>723669605
Maybe you wouldn't have to work 50 hrs if more employers were inclined to hire due to lower min wage?

Maybe you wouldn't be forced into that one long housed job because other places are hiring.

>>723670295
What the fuck are you drinking...I want some.
If you don't want stupid answers then simply don't ask stupid questions like number 3 and 4.
If you are non the less going to put them out then don't whine about the stupid answers, and I mean that OP. Who the fuck knows what will happen but my guess is that the rich will get more and the poors will get less and the middle will shrink even more.

>>723653275

economics.

if the USA wants to be a global power then it must engage at a global stage. isolating itself will lead to a weakened dollar and less spending power for US Americans and in the end a weaker military.

Being here before the next wave of immigrants gives you a chance to lead. if you can not find a job where you are managing and or employing immigrants then you probably aren't of good DNA anyway regardless of your skin color.

the scary thing is that immigrants are coming to US with better education and training than natural citizens. they are now taking away professional jobs. but that's just evolution.

>>723670516
The min wage has not been adjusted for inflation for the past 12 years or so. My hair is not fucking blue. It has turned a bit grey in the past few years though. The working poor are really fucked.
Ok I think you need to meet and talk to these working poor guys and woman. You will find out there is no way in hell they can train to pull them selves up to anything else. What are people with an iq of 85 or 90 going to train to better themselves? It is what it is.

>>723671146
Not going to happen. We got Trump now and the borders are closing and we are soon going to be in trade wars.

Because It would cost over $2000 to purchase an iPhone 100% manufactured on US soil. Idiot. No wonder trump supporters are the uneducated lowest common denominator of our country.