Why hasn't there been a successful manned mission to Mars by now

>>723303863
we haven't got the technology

>>723304075
prove it

>>723303863
i've been trying to get there for years man, the fucking miata just won't make it.

Because Niggers and Jews.. That's the only Logical, Ethical, Rational, and Scientific Explanation my dear sir.

Because non-white people and feminists.

>>723304075
*money

>>723303863
>>723304075
All we need for a maned mission to Mars is a way to make money off of it

>>723304075
Yea we do.

find oil on Mars and you know we'll be there in 10 years.

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>>723304182
>>723304229

>>723303863
money

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>>723304292
Mars is worth a lot of money

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>>723303863
there hasn't been an unsuccessful one either

No reason to go. No payoff

>>723303863
If the countries of the world had spent as much on space travel and research as on warfare, Mars would be old news by now with a full on colony. They would be planning a journey to Alpha Centauri by now.

>>723303863
Its too far away...

There is no need to go to mars. The moon was a race, if there is no competitors why even race?

Nobody wants to cough up the money, simple as that. it'll cost billions.

>>723304541
if the US alone diverted its military budget to Mars we'd have a whole new fucking world to live on

>>723304626
To inspire the passions of mankind?

Because going to Mars buys fewer votes than cutting social spending 1% costs.

>>723304673

>it'll cost billions.

try trillions to be properly done, moreover most of the technology neccessary doesn't even exist

Because the U.S. decided they won the Space Race in 1969, so they let the Apollo program die as the 70s progressed, replaced it with a space taxi, and then gave that up to become hitchhikers.

>>723304538
The fags didn't even try

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>>723303863
Many talented engineers are wrokinv on iphone7, iphone7+, iphone7++ Director's cut champion edition.

Regurgitating and reconsuming the same old acheivements is more profitable, and so pays more to the engineering talent. Bigger house, prettier wife, nicer cars, more kids, etc.

Look at /g/. They're blowing up over AMD's Ryzen processor. That's what our talent has been doing.

>>723303863
Moon Landing was fake so why would humans going to Mars be real?

>>723304540
So going to Mars and after that going to asteroids to mine them isn't worth it?

Nigger asteroids are worth trillions

>>723305022
Because with a flat earth, you just have to fall off the edge at the right time.

>>723303863
We're gonna have to get to the moon first,
Instead of watching reruns of that 1960s Stanley Kubrick documentary ...
Seriously, his camera work was shoddy at best ...

>>723303863
How could we go to Mars, if we haven't even been to the moon yet?

a more optimal way of doing it would be to setup on the moon first and develop the neccessary systems to support life, make it financially feaseable and conduct enough research to be amply prepared for such an endeavor. (also helium 3)

>>723304885
Are you fucking stupid? It wouldn't cost trillions

It would cost a good chunk of a few billion but it would be worth it

If NASA didn't spend its budget on studying ways to welcome muzzies and climate change, they could afford to

>>723305112
but it doesn't work that way. Once you get to the edge, the magical force field sends you to the other side of the disk.

>>723305199
We went there over 50 years ago nigger

>>723304885
>>723304075

Yep. Aside from the astonishing cost, the tech isn't there yet. There's no way to guard against the dust, for instance. It doens't sound like much, but it would absolutely be enough to completely tank a mission. Also, even if we had the tech, it would have to be built in stages.

We'd have to have something like a space elevator to get the parts into LEO so that we could assemble a ship in space, since the weight of a manned mission (with equipment, and life support, food, water, etc) would be prohibitive to launch from within the Earth's gravity well.

So, even if you could snap your fingers, today, and invent organic recycling systems, dust-proof airlocks and space suits, a space elevator, a more efficient propulsion system (because you'd have to slow all that bulk down, and you need to use fuel to move other fuel, yadda yadda), AND if you had the money to launch a bunch of shit in advance, so that it would be there waiting when your team arrived, AND if you had a way to bring them back again safely, it would still take decades and trillions of dollars and there is no real reason to do it.

Aside from bragging rights, why bother? There's very little humans could learn that robots can't, and there'd be no way to bring back anything significant anyway.

You'd be WAY better off to go mine asteroids instead.

>>723303863
Why would anyone want to go to Mars? You cant really colonize it until now. Its expensive. We dont need to go there. It would take years to travel>>723303863
too.

>>723305363
You just have to learn to fall and miss the earth.

>>723304182
Is It Also Why You Must Capitalize Every Word Like An Illiterate Kid

>>723303863
Bone matter loss and horrendous radiation exposure

it also requires the resources of the ENTIRE planet and unfortunately humanity doesn't seem ready for such cooperation...but who knows if something were to occur to fundamentally change the course of humanity. ohwait, i forgot we seem unable to steer the future of our species on this planet away from catastrophic impending dooms.

>>723305253
Worth it?
Why?
There's a humanity down here that would benefit, rather than landing on a planet for nothing but to say its been done

>>723305479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pzg9xpAOE

>>723305529
>implying that we would need a space elevator to get a manned mission to mars

>>723305253

facepalm.jpg

>>723305820
When they figure out the bone deterioration and radiation (and there are more smarter kids on that than ever before) we'll be all over the solar system

>>723303863
because it wont make any money

>>723305971
Shit costs money but not the national deficit. Jesus

>>723304705
We would have the damn Enterprise D by now. :P

>>723306054
>they figure out the bone deterioration and radiation

why not build a self sustaining spaceship manned only by robots that humans have instant manipulation over.?

seems simple enough?

>>723305910
Fuck that I'm taking the space stairs...

Because there's no oil in Mars.

>>723306144
>>723304705
this is how space fights start to happen. im down for this

earth vs mars

>>723303863
we need to get to the moon before we get to mars!

We lack the ability to deflect radiation and terraform a desolate planet, without a magnetosphere our astronauts would get cancer and then some.

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>>723305910
according to gundam, the furthest we're getting to with that is the moon.

Serious lack of woke in this thread

>>723306312
It takes several hours to communicate with a spaceship near Saturn

>>723305820
>>723305971
falcon 9 heavy, we only need ~1000 m/s more of deltav to get there
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X9FUdHnowboCrjoWKpTM5OtLEqj26UWhF0UbEnON5_Q/edit?f=true&noheader=true&gid=18#gid=18

>>723303863
>Why hasn't there been a successful manned mission to Mars by now
Because you haven't applied your massive intellect to the problem, or shared it.

>>723306923
Neither have you.

We should

>>723306564
So you're saying Mars is /b/?

>>723304733
>not a cost-effective reason

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>>723303863
you just haven't heard yet because it was a failure.... next attempt might actually get coverage.... hope they don't land next to the 1'st mission's crash site..... they r not sure where it is exactly...lol... dumb-asses.

Nobody wants to pay for it, hard to justify from a scientific perspective, that money can fund a lot of more interesting stuff, building local infrastructure ob the Moon and earth orbit, doing that will also make a mars mission cheaper, we need cheap access to orbit, permanent settlement on the moon, and then not only mars but the whole solar system will open up, but if you just want to swing aound a big dick do the Apollo ting. 400.000 engineers and unlimited budget, could put a man on mars in under 10 years.

Because all America does is waste money on wars in the middle east

Americans are useless. Let Europe do it

>>723308216
Genius, just call a jihad on Mars and let Germany sort it out

>>723308464
Kek

>>723303863
There was tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHmd26rPKs

>>723305529
None of these statements are true tho

>>723305282
This.

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>>723306645
Once something is in Earth orbit, it's halfway to anywhere in the solar system.

>>723305282
Really no. Human spaceflight is very expensive.

>>723308640
Fake and gay

Let's wait till NASA sponsors it

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>>723308216

>>723306923
But but bruh.. Climate change matters more

>>723308918
Not really. We're all worried about illegals and climate change and nigger feelings

If we weren't we'd be mining Jupiter by now.

Fucking faggot humans

>>723309030
This grossly understates ESA's accomplishments. They do a lot.

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>>723303863
Because Mars is made up. Our sky is just one big tv and the earth is flat. The moon, sun, planets, and stars are all just images on a tv to give us hope

>>723309030
Kek

>>723309194
Eurofag detected

>>723303863
Bush. Reagan. Both either dismantled the space program or wasted shit-tons (trillions of dollars) of money blowing up brown people in faraway countries.

Any more questions?

>>723309396
Nope, I just follow space news.

>>723309194
Pooland space agency has achieved more than you lot

>>723309448
It started when Nixon was in office. Congress really didn't want to pay for a Mars trip since the public had become disinterested.

>>723309482
Whatever you say, copain.

>>723303863
"Because you touch yourself at night."

>>723309396
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>723309194
Russia. Fucking Russia has done more than you. We had to come steal German scientists from you so they could get proper funding. Dick.

>>723309610
I wish I lived in the EU. American suburbs are shit.

>>723305529
You have no clue what you are talking about, ionic thrusters have been around for a decade at least.

>>723309609
Please. There was no mission to Mars on the table. And space travel was at its height. You're being a bit disingenuous.
Reagan pulled the reins in on government spending unless it was military-related.

>>723303863
Fucking Russians

>>723304705
We also wouldn't have a country since sand niggers would take over without a strong defense.

>>723309724
It's rather transparent that refugees and welfare state matters more to Europeans than any sort of space mission

>>723309730

What's your objection?

>>723309991
attitudes like yours are a greater threat

>>723303863
Politics and a decline in American preeminence

>>723309831
Great. We lose out on space travel so high school dropouts can shoot brown people in faraway places.

>>723309614
Hello I'm a Navy vet and I really doubt you are the person you claim to be.

>>723309831
There was something about going back to moon and building a moonbase in 2000s though, Obama scrubbed it off I think(cause he thought we already been there why go back)

>>723309178
> mining Jupiter

lost

>>723310132
Why is it always the US has to do it?

>>723304393
No we don't

>>723310239
Yeah I try to keep a good outlook, but we really have fucked up in ways that could bring about our extinction sooner than we think. Too many good people and ideas have died or fallen by the wayside just to satisfy short-term needs and interests. Let's hope I'm wrong.

>>723310382
Cause Europeans are hopeless and Russia is poor

>>723310277
Yes Obama does deserve some blame, but think about it--what luxury did we have to do that with the economy collapsing and Bush's fuckups in the Middle East?
Thankfully Obama didn't cave to pressure to scrub the whole of NASA, because it was there. See: climate change deniers in Congress.

>>723310514
US won't do it until China starts making serious preparation. THEN suddenly the US will magically find hundreds of billions to do it.

>>723309991
>sand niggers
>take over
You really don't know what you're talking about huh?

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>>723309194
Only thing you have contributed to the world in the last20 years is Emma Watson.

Because OP is a fag.

>>723310671
China is a joke. They just steal all the tech from the us

>>723305253
The total cost of the F-35 project was over a trillion dollars you fucking mongoloid.

>>723310671
I wish USSR was still around just for this

>>723304570
How far away is it?

Put it in terms a layman could understand.

>>723310933
China is spread thin with a much smaller GDP than we have as well.

We could totally do a trip to Mars if we taxed the fuck out of the rich and redirected military spending priorities to include space exploration.

Probably not going to happen with neoliberals/neocons in office unless they can be convinced that they'd be rich if we did it.

Mars has got to be a mineral treasure trove.

We need to spend several hundred years using robots to terraform it before we send humans.

Bacteria can't even live on it now.

>>723311554
Anon doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

We could get to Mars in under a year.
http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/venus/q2811.html

>>723311728
>Bacteria can't even live on it now.
We've only been to a couple of spots on the surface.
No data about possible life under the surface or around bodies of polar ice.

>>723311766
That's a cool story and all, but you didn't answer my question.

>>723311728
It would only take a year to induce a breathable atmosphere. A living planet on the other hand could take much more time.

We are on Mars already.

We built a space platform in the 90s that went to Mars and landed around 2005 ish.

All the SpaceX shit is stupid diversion.

>>723311988
>no magnetic field that protects against solar radiation

>>723311964
It's twice the distance to the sun as Earth, smartass faggot.

>>723311988
How would you do that in a year?

>>723311580
100% agree. I don't think taxing the rich into oblivion wowould be beneficial, but I'm with you, we could be on mars by 2020 imo

>>723312052
I'm not rocket scientist. That distance is too far for a layman to comprehend.

How far is that distance in layman's terms?

>>723312041


>>723312053

The answer to both your questions is to induce volcanic activity, and melt the ice caps. There is oxygen there but not in a breathable density.

>>723312041
We don't really know that, though.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11962-lab-study-indicates-mars-has-a-molten-core/

>>723311988
>It would only take a year to induce a breathable atmosphere.
yup, being this much of a fucking retard!

>>723311766
Yeah, 6 months to get there, a year and a half spent there, and 6 months to get back. It's not a cross country trip, dumbass.

>>723311554
>>723311766
6 months to get there, they're expecting 3 months by the time we actually go (technology would have gotten better by then)

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>>723303863
>NASA finds Loli on mars
>/b/ builds a rocket the next day

>>723312257
Earth 93 million miles
Mars 141.6 million miles

Jesus no wonder Trump won.

>>723311892
Until bacteria is found, it isn't possible for bacteria to live in a Mars environment.

The absence of data doesn't prove it's possible.

>>723312260
Yeah but if it just all blows off into space instead of having the effect you want...?

>>723312331
They won't go faster, just more efficiently with smaller rockets or pack more. A shorter trip would lower the scientific value.

>>723312412
Sill, those are just numbers. No layman can imagine that distance in their head.

You still haven't answered my question.

>>723312422
All the data is saying is that bacteria doesn't exist on the surface, so no. You're painting with a very broad brush.

>>723312524
shut the fuck up faggot

>>723312589
Look, if you're incapable of putting it into layman terms that's fine, but don't take it out on me just because you have a limited imagination.

>>723312331
getting there quicker would make for a longer stay. it means you can get supplies quicker there as well

>>723312524
Most laymen can understand just fine you're obviously just a retard.

>>723312762
Google it you fucking retard

>>723312260
How does one induce volcanic activity without massive nuclear explosions?

>>723312518
they're expecting to get there in 3 months with new propulsion technology

>>723312768
Or figure out in advance how to use materials on Mars for fuel.

>>723312870
One doesn't, one uses a fuckload of nukes.

>>723312911
yeah of course

>>723303863
because you cant just go to mars and then come back right away. you have to go, then survive there for 2.5 years until the earth and mars swing back near each other again

>>723313000
OK, Trump.

>>723305576
doesnt take years to get there, only a few months, but you would have to stay there for 2 and a half years or so before you can leave, waiting for the earth and mars to be close together again

>>723313070
So build a dome. Use solar energy to power it. Extract water from the soil, have enough provisions for 3 years.

Problem solved.

>>723313000
Bombard the planet with asteroids until you have increased it's size by a third, making it comparable to Earth gravity. This would bring the planet to a molten states so then just wait billions of years for it to cool.

>>723312820
no they can't. the distance it too far for a layman to comprehend.

>>723312842
Don't get mad at me just because you can't explain a complex concept in simple terms. It isn't my fault that you're incapable of it.

>>723312893
What new technology? There's been no major improvements in chemical rocket engines for decades, and nothing else has anywhere near enough power to move a human crew.

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>>723303863
Because congress and Nixon didn't want to fund Von Braun's Mars plan.
Instead we got the space shittle and have been stuck in low Earth orbit for the last 45 years.

video related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOgFIq03Nm4

>>723313303
>autism

I moved all your furniture over a few inches too, faggot.

The martians called and said piss off they don't want to risk any niggers showing up

>>723313253
people want to do that basically yea but its still hard to get all the logistics right. you need to process a ton of regolith to get just a little water for one thing. dust also fucks everything up although they are developing ways to mitigate that now. renewable food is difficult too. its not impossible just really hard

>>723313487
>its not impossible just really hard
Humans love a good challenge. Too bad we're so fixated on such stupid shit down here currently.

>>723313404
That 70's Show has absolutely nothing to do with our conversation

Are you going to answer my question or are you going to continue to make excuses for your inability to answer it?

>>723313303
It's like driving from your parents' trailer to the convenience store to pick up more Mountain Dew: Code Red then driving back SEVERAL BILLION TIMES

>>723313303
The distance between the Sun and the Earth is referred at as an Astronomical Unit(AU). The distance between the Sun and Mars is about 1.5 AU. Mars is about 0.5 AU away from the Earth.

If you can't understand in these terms then you're clearly some idiot piece of rural trash and should just go back to tipping cows or fucking your sister.

>>723313638
>Are you going to answer my question

Yes. You are a huge faggot. A massive one. A faggot so large, it blots out the sun in several quadrants.

>>723310780
What's her name?
She's pretty hot

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>>723313340
Well there's VASIMR.

>>723313668
Anon is autistic. He needs visuals.

However anon has been such a faggot I would not be inclined to supply him with any.

https://discord.gg/stevenkiberton .

>>723313769
How are you going to power it?

>>723313769
I'm surprised they haven't figured out nuclear-based propulsion. That's a lot of energy.

>>723305745
this

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>>723313753

>>723314086
No not her, the one she's sitting on

>>723313753
Dude shut up she looks like John Malkovich in drag.

>>723313995
Would not occur with constant exercise, medically-supervised therapy and current radiation blocking technology.

>>723314159
The one on the bottom faggot. I'm not talking about the anorexic bitch on top

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I worked for NASA in the Crew Systems Dept. We routinely put volunteers in sealed chambers and recycled everything from urine to shower water. We supplied O2 from a secondary parasite chamber where we grew wheat grass. We have the technology, there just isn't enough will power or public backing to finance the trip. Pic is one of the chambers we used for "Canned Man" experiments.

>>723314289
>We have the technology, there just isn't enough will power or public backing to finance the trip.
Maybe not in the public sector.

I could see commercial interests getting on board with it.

>>723314159
What was it like before you were gay?

>>723303863
because we lug around 6 times the ship's weight in oil.

>>723314121
That's a guy you stupid unfunny faggot fuck

>>723314289
>We supplied O2 from a secondary parasite chamber where we grew wheat grass

Whoa

Going to the moon is pretty risky

Mars is 1000x farther away than the moon is.

Going to Mars is too risky to justify people spending money on it.

>>723314822
Bullshit. People would volunteer to do it.
You just want to keep handing over billions we could be using to do this to old rich wrinkled men so they can take viagra and fuck bitches who look like Ivanka Trump.

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>>723313859
Fission reactors.

>>723313863
There's nuclear-electric methods like VASIMR or the EMDrive (provided it's not meme).
Then there's nuclear thermal methods like NERVA, that use a fission reactor to heat and expand gasses. Nuclear thermal rockets are what Von Braun wanted to use for his Mars plan.

Working prototypes have been built, but as soon as you mention sending nuclear reactors flying through the air on a rocket it's hard to get approval from congress/etc.

The proposed Mars Transfer Vehicle (pic related) would also use nuclear thermal rockets and could be assembled in orbit using the upcoming SLS Block 2 to launch the modules.
Odds of that actually getting funded are slim though.

>>723314960
What? No.

Our planet is currently too divided to really dedicate tax dollars (public funding) to space travel. We need benevolent billionaires to do it (we have one) but without those we need companies who stand to profit from the mission to invest, which won't happen when the mission is still so very very risky.

What we should be focusing on currently is trying to make travel between the moon and the earth relatively safe and easy.

Trying to get to mars when you haven't been to another body that is 1000x closer in decades, is just fucking stupid. We need to do baby steps.

>>723315383
There's nothing on the moon. It is a dead world.

And risk is what our species is all about. All it would take is someone to pitch the mission as something to motivate us and keep us from extinction.
I'd rather be focusing our energies on that the stupid petty tribal shit that's sucking us dry like a vampire.

>>723315581
it's a perfect launch/landing pad/manufacturing outpost etc etc, for any asteroid mining, which stands to be a gamechanger for human progress

>>723316255
It's all about the motivation, which is survival. The human race accomplished incredible things during the late 1930s, realized during the 1940s.

Survival is an impending factor now with population and resource issues. We need to move to the next level.

>>723303863
SpaceX will bereits im Jahr 2018 ein unbemanntes Raumschiff zum Mars schicken, das dort auch landen soll.[10][11] Eine bemannte Marsmission soll 2025 stattfinden (siehe Interplanetary Transport System).[12]

>>723303863
What use is there in sending people to mars?

Serious question

>>723317548
Because it's there.

>>723316783
well sure, but that's not really related to the thing about the moon being dead
it's spectacularly utilitarian for off-earth operations

low gravity, no atmosphere, perfect departing-receiving orbit for gravity-assisted launches and catches to-from the rest of the solar system(not all of these -require- a presence there, it's just a best place to start from)

investing in establishing the moon as a main space station cuts down the cost and effort of struggling through earths atmosphere and gravity by orders

>>723303863
We already have a base on Mars, established over 30 years ago. What NASA tells you is what they want you to hear. The black projects in space are the most guarded secrets, and there is more than just a small mars base.

>>723317548
Geology and other science.
A human on the surface could do things that rovers can't, and do things the rovers CAN do much much faster.

It takes up to 14 minutes for a signal to be sent from Earth to the rover and back.
Imagine trying to play an online game with a 840,000ms ping. It's very slow going.

>>723303863
Too many Republican presidents. Progress basically just goes on hold every time that happens, slowing us down for 4-8 years.

>>723318397

Light already takes long enough to get across our planet (About a second) we have regional severs for a reason. I imagine 'mars' would be a region of its own, and get updates 14 minutes earlier than earth.

>>723318711
Easy fix for that would be to shut down all voting stations in rural counties. Rural trash shouldn't be voting.

>>723304182
This. We've spent trillions upon trillions of dollars over the years on nigs in the USA - with little reward. So much wasted money.

>>723318961
We throw away more money than that on the military just so high school dropouts can shoot brown people.

>>723318762
I was merely using that as an analogy for how difficult it is to remotely operate a rover with that kind of delay.

>>723318837
Pretty much. The only thing they're good for is making my food. I am not interested in their shit tier opinions about anything.