Why isn't he Iron Man yet?

Because he's too busy taking handouts from the government for selling expensive cars to rich people.

>>723209195
Imo the new tesla is reasonably priced

The local supermarket has "high gas efficiency vehicle only" parking spaces.

I have to applaud them. It's good way to reserve all the best spaces for rich white people, and to force the niggers to park in the back.

>>723209402
In Ontario we have hybrid and electric vehicle parking spaces some places

>>723209402
I love those spaces, I put my big ass diesel-guzzling truck across two or three of them. Very convenient.

>>723209520
Ontario's mostly well-off white people. Down in the states, it's just ecoracism.

>>723209624
To be honest, most people ignore the fuck out of those signs.

But it does punish the honest or obedient types.

>>723209624
Does your little dink stick out enough to play with while you take meat rod up the ass?

>>723208867
He's the only one fucking working on it TBH.

Seriously take a look at the landings of one of his Falcon rockets, that's precision gyro's linked to rockets, something you'd need to create a mechanical suit. This is actually one of the harder things in robotics, getting the thing to balance itself.

On top of that he's creating a huge boom in rocket technology, making them smaller and more efficient and affordable. It's already having a huge impact on the industry.

The fact of the matter is this man is creating every single thing one would need to be iron man, but you can just magically go on a night bender and have coded and invented an entire new technology, it takes money time and testing.

In short, he is fucking Iron Man. But that super suit is going to have to wait, we're still trying create batteries than could power something like that.

>>723209835
I know you think you are being cutting and clever, but really that's just pathetic. Big truck means little dick, wow, how original. Never heard that before. How about a little effort next time?

>>723210435
It's obvious you don't actually own a truck because you sound like a condescending millennial who was raised by a single mother.

>>723209195
The US government has always been spending a fortune on subsiding new technology. Whether it be medicine, general science or trains/planes (which currently still receive subsides).

The EV subsidies were in place before Tesla began selling cars and the subsides apply for all manufacturers. GM, Ford, Jeep, etc. can make EVs and receive the same subsides. At least Tesla wasn't part of the bail out which had a higher dollar figure.

Subsides are a big part of economy, many parts of our economy will collapse without them, for entire corn agriculture for example. Just a fact of our modern economy

>>723209195
He's doing gods work, leading the eventual FUCK OFF we can say to the oil producing camelfuckers.

Why you conservacucks don't get that, I don't know.

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>>723208867
This bitch JUSTed him twice and took all of his ambition. Basically this bitch set the human race back 100 years.

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>>723210618
I don't think red states are smart enough to understand that part.

If you just showed people the lifestyles of any young person from the (HUGE) oil class living in Dubai, Kuwait or any of those places, you'd get people feeling a lot different about why we need to invest in clean energy and things like Tesla

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>>723210738
Nah, she was a virgin when she met him and she married him twice, despite him having limited time and attention to give her. They'll remain cordial, and he will attract women like her that don't demand commitment. Best of both worlds.

>>723210738
lol and then he was trying to date that gold digging whore who made the false abuse allegations against johnny depp

it's like the dude is having a mid life crisis and wants a reason to stop being the only one building the future at a desirable rate

>>723210435
How about don't be such a faggot?

>think I'm being cutting and clever
No, you're just a pathetic faggot. I realize that's overused, and there's a reason why. You might as well drive a minivan you fucking loser.

>>723211162
>She was a Virgin

wew lad where did you read that? A girl looks like that got laid at 12 for sure.

>>723210738

The fuck is JUSTing?

>>723208867
Because he's a marketing guy not a genious inventor. Most of his recent ideas like hyperloop are utterly impossible to impliment.

>>723211247
At 80 hours a week and the remaining time with kids, I'm sure all he wants from a relationship is getting laid, not "date"

>>723211275
And you continue with the hapless unoriginality. Just stop trying, you are only embarrassing yourself.

>>723211369
She was very specific about it in his authorized biography...she grew up demure even though sexy......and that aspect does show why he could become obsessed with her rather than just wanting to bang her.

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>>723211448
You're assuming he's a normal human like you with normal human limitations.

>>723211394
>ideas like hyperloop are utterly impossible to impliment.
I'm sure you know more than literally hundreds of scientists and engineers.

Please, bestow upon us your superior intellect.

>>723211379
It's 4chan slang, from /sp/, based on the "just fuck my shit up" meme

>>723210611
The U.S. has both the tech and one of the world's greatest breadbaskets; agriculture would do just fine without subsidies. It's just a fuckload of money spent to prop up failures and on poorly-thought-out and unneeded protectionism.

And while money spent on basic research is important, electric cars are mass produced luxury items. Tesla is blatant corporate welfare, just like Solyndra.

Dude, Ironman drives a V10 supercharged Audi, not a pimped out Prius.

>>723210618
Racism, classism, and just plain stupidity. You've got it all, don't you?

>>723209624
This is what gives truck drivers a bad rep with the stereotype of having a small penis
I bet you actually believe being a complete dick is justified

>>723211745
Isn't that the new American dream?

>>723211695
Kek

>>723211549
Dude every girl claims to be a virgin until like age 21. Trust me I'm a doctor.

>>723211811
Justified, no. I don't have to justify anything. I can be a complete dick just because its fun.

>>723211484
>hurr durr you're embarrassing yourself

How fucking stupid are you? This is an anonymous website, why the fuck would I be embarrassed? You tried to be cool by saying how you drive a faggot mobile and don't know how to park, and now I'm making fun of you for it.

You're an embarrassment to your parents. I bet your father wishes you were dead.


>inb4 how original, you're a silly poopoo head, my tonka truck is better than yours, or whatever other bullshit you're going to say.

I keep checking the thread because I know I'm irritating you, you keep checking it and replying to me because you think it'll make me feel bad and stop. Well you're right, I feel bad for making baby pee-pants cry so now I'll leave you and your big manly truck alone.

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>>723212025
>Dude
>Dude
>Dude bruh
>rachet
>smash or pass
Facebook needs to go home.

>>723211811
How unoriginal. You probably wish you had my truck.

>>723211745
I won't shill for big oil and raping the environment. Why would you?

>>723212025
"Of course we trust you, doctor!"
> gas

>>723212025
The way I see it, is based on reading about her background, it seems more than possible that she was simultaneously sheltered and focused for a long time

>>723211658
EVs weren't being mass produced when the subsidies were enacted, and still isn't. Thats the whole point of these types of subsidies. Its to bring a technology to maturity

The mass production is coming soon and the subsidies will also end relatively soon, maybe even before Tesla releases the Model 3. The total dollar limit for the subsidies were decided before Tesla even started manufacturing cars. The government did a relatively accurate estimation on the amount of subsidies they put aside for the EV subsidies

Also your purely capitalistic ideal is naive and optimistic. Anyone who's studies economics or has been in large industries understands the importance of subsidies and other government support

>>723208867
maybe if someone else invented it first. he's not an inventor, he's a businessman

>>723212119
Awww muffin, you aren't irritating me. You aren't capable of that. You only wish you could. Kinda full of yourself aren't you?

>>723212217
You're defending a corporate welfare because of... big oil and the environment?

I think I'm going to go to defend North Korea because of the spotted owl or something. It'll be more logical.

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>>723212202
Home, home on the range, where the deer and the antelope play - until they are shot for being cunts. Or Mexican. Or Gay. Or poor. Or having a suntan and a name with too many Ks in it.

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>>723212529
I'm defending that because indeed, the market forces are so incredibly in the favor of big oil's longstanding monopoly on transportation, that it's the only way to encourage innovation.

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>>723212661
did... did this just become a bleeding heart liberal thread? >.>

>>723212461
hes more of an engineer than a businessman
hes clearly stated hes not interested in profit, even releasing all his patents. Thats not a very businessman move

I don't think you understand what inventing really means. Sounds like you have a TV notion of inventing from the 1800s

>>723212661
#bowlinggreenmassacre #madeupattackinotherwisepeacefulandhappyscandinaviancountryforexamplehowaboutthelandofIkeaSwedenIthinkitscalled

>>723212414
You're broadcasting your ideals in that appeal to authority. While there are economists who support subsidies, many others point out the problems, and even argue that all the money spent to subsidize end products like electrics cars would be better spent on basic research. We don't need a few factories pumping out high-end products (when they actually works, and Tesla is a rare success). What we really need are things like better batteries, better solar panels (which have improved remarkably, but not enough), and so on. Generally, pumping money into research is well spent; a small investment can return dramatic rewards. But with end products, you need a lot more money to start, and the return is tiny (e.g. one factory, instead of a battery with a zillion possible uses).

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>>723212208
>unoriginal
>unoriginal
>unoriginal
how unoriginal

>>723212781
Nope, just busting chops.

>>723213194
...even <more> argue...

>>723212690
Horseshit. The better solution is to get rid of oil subsidies, and other government-improved regulations and taxes that favor that industry and suppress startups.

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>>723213374
Disagree.....you're just falling for the Koch brothers talking points. Regulations aren't there for shits and giggles. Those are there to protect the public and the environment from corporations whose only obligations are financial.....they don't feel they have any obligation to protect the public or consumers.

It used to be you could say the free market could take care of things, but that's not true, because there's no free market when we are talking about limited resources.

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He is too busy becoming Harrison Wells.

Jokes aside ("The Flash" is shit obviously), Elon Musk is my idol. You don't come across true geniuses these days. He is an exception to the rule. In a sense he really is a real life Tony Stark.

>>723213194
You're being vague
Every economist thinks that there are subsidies which are backwards and outdated. I also think there are plenty of examples of subsidies which are just failing. However, the vast majority of economists think subsidies are very useful and sometimes necessary.

Transportation subsidies for example are huge.
There are many kinds of subsidies. There are subsidies that support emerging technology to become profitable and go into mass production. While its unarguable that investment is basic science is necessary, there is also a need to support a science to transition into commercial engineering.

There is a window where the capital invest is too great and the reward for a private investor is too distributed. This is where investment subsidies from the government come into play. This is because the objects for a government are much longer term and much broader.

I can go into all the other types of subsidies and how they are important but that will take too long (unless you want to get into that). The reason I found your comment so naive is because you seemed flat out dismissed all subsidies of any kind to the private sector. Remember, transportation and utilities are also private in the US.

>>723213807
Stop assigning me positions. You're talking about very different regulations than I am. Your examples are all addressing negative externalities (like the secondary environment costs of a smokestack pumping out pollution).

That's very different from the regulations I'm talking about, which are all related to corporatism and protectionism -- there are a fuck load of subsidies, regulations that favor specific industries or even specific companies, and so on on the books. Even more generally, the increasing weight of byzantine law after regulation after law (like patents or reporting requirements and so on) strongly favors big companies with huge teams of lawyers, lobbyists, accountants, and public affairs teams to deal with all kinds of unneeded but mandated busy-work. This suppresses small start ups, which is the real problem. Because not only do nearly all new jobs come from those new companies, but they're the source of the majority of new innovations.

>>723214659
Ok, yes, I realize that I misaligned what you said vs. what someone else was saying.

>>723211607
so you haven't looked into it at all? One fault would kill everyone inside the hyperloop.
Also at least public info about hyperloop only shows utterly failed prototypes made by students in competition.

>>723214659
Not the person you replied to but just want to add my opinion based on my small experience starting a technology company

I totally agree that the patent system is broken. A fundamental rule a startup must follow is to not rely on patents to protect your company. The only way a start can be successful nowadays is to not only think of a great idea but also execute it better than anyone else.

However, patents are necessary but the system is broken. Afterall, the purpose of patents were exactly to protect startups and small companies.

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SEND THIS TO ELON

http://www.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/5udmhn/have_there_been_any_notable_attempts_in_america/

I'd take a minimum wage job, if it would work as a living wage in such a city.

>>723214220
You're being vague as well, and you're still making vapid appeals to authority. You don't have to go far to find notable economists writing about how those massive transportation subsidies have massively distorted our economy, and caused many of the problems you're talking about.

The Invisible Hand doesn't work when the government makes their own invisible hand and starts grabbing.

Subsidies on the commercial side might make sense in certain areas, where the end product is critical, the need is immediate, it wouldn't happen without the subsidy, and there's at least a reasonable chance of success. But those should be precision targeted and short-term (which of course will never happen given the current political structure, where pork overrides everything else).

But in most cases, subsidies are an attempt to push a technology to market before it's matured. The electric cars, for instance, really need better batteries.

>>723215302
The city could be designed with that as logic....all employees would agree to accept lower wages, but they all receive amenities that would have cost them lots of their disposable income.

That's how it works if you get hired to a low level job at google. Low pay, but all you can eat EPIC food, including open snack bars.

>>723208867
A re-landable rocket with a highly limited payload. Oh joy, now we can send porn to the ISS.

>>723211448
I work eighty a week and i assure you, the last thing i think about is pussy when i get home. Literally pass the fuck out.

>>723215330
EVs aren't the best example to support your case. Better batteries would be nice but the technology has matured, thanks partly to subsidies, to the point where its reaching the average consumer market. EVs are also being sold in places were subsidies don't exist. On top of all that EVs from Tesla are overpriced on purpose. Musk is very open about the concept of selling overpriced luxury cars to help invest in consumer technology.

Your statement about subsidies being short term investments doesn't make sense. For short term investments the private sector will take care of that. You wouldn't believe how fast a investors will move when they see an opportunity. Have a good enough product and investors will push the product into mass production within a month. Much much much faster than government can react.

Subsidies are needed for long term, sometimes risky and distributed returns. Basically where the private sector won't step in.

There have been complete failures, like initial investments in solar (this is the example you should use to support your case). But these failures don't justify the dismissal of an entire concept.

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>>723208867
he announced along with google the production of a new ai the day Westworld aired.

>>723216363
Yes, batteries have improved. But the money would have been much better spent on basic research into batteries, instead of funding billionaires and hoping some of the money made it back into batteries.

And you may be using short-term differently than I. I mean finite. It needs an exit plan, because otherwise subsidies become perpetual entitlements that drag down the entire economy and distort everything. Though generally, long term investments won't be needed because if you're trying to bridge to a new technology, once the bridge is created others can cross over, and the subsidies are no longer needed.

And I mentioned Solyndra upthread.

>>723215302
He could just finish California City, the larges planned but not completed city in the world

>>723212414
Wood drastically -- Wood 'drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth.' You got that from Vickers, 'Work in Essex County,' page 98, right? Yeah, I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us? Do you have any thoughts of your own on this matter? Or do you...is that your thing? You come into a bar. You read some obscure passage and then pretend...you pawn it off as your own idea just to impress some girls and embarrass my friend? See the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One: don't do that. And two: You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a f----n' education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library.

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>>723217006
Looks like it was doomed to fail on account of expecting to build in a desert.

>>723216963
I believe Tesla did very little research when it came to batteries. They out source their batteries. The main technology Tesla improved on was battery control and inverter design.

Everyone agrees that subsidies need a stopping point. And thats why subsidies nowadays DO have a dollar limit before the first dollar is even spent. (example of where the government has learned from past mistakes). The EV subsidy for example is reaching its limit very soon.

>>723217839
Jesus fucking Christ..... I'm in the battery business. You've no fucking clue what's involved and what you just said it it it it's so fucking dumb it hurts.

STFU

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>>723208867
he have no class of real Stark

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>>723218088
What part is dumb? And where are you in the industry? I'm not directly involved in the battery industry but my product uses lithium batteries as a source so I've done a good amount of research into it, at least as on the OEM side.

Tesla has always out sourced their batteries from Panasonic. Its not until recently that Tesla started the battery side of their business.