Which country has the best plugs b

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these

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This one is the gold standard for car charging.

>>723158962
Murican here, our plugs are pieces of shit.

>>723158962
UK sparkfag here, uk is better because we have earthed sockets, everything works better with an earth and is safer. 240v ftw, fuck your faggy 110v systems.

>>723159046
EU master race plug

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>>723158962
these

>>723159358
Well that's pretty much his it isn't it.
Fuck euro
Fuck usa
Fuck 3rd world
UK wins

murica obviously. a shock from ours will just wake you up, a shock from a UK plug will stop your heart

>>723159475
Oh myblife
This is joke my merricun friend?

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>>723158962
Plug thread?

>>723159482
Because Euro plugs don't have earth sockets ? Do you hear how much of a brit moron you sound like ?

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>>723159556

>>723158962
Amerifat here, our plugs are Africa teir.
Also UK's plugs are landmines for your fucking feet so I'd rather have nigger plugs.

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>>723159690
Neutral is a redundant earth socket. Most US plugs have both.

>>723159753
Wouldn't want to put your plugs and cords away would you? that is too logical

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>>723159883
I only would if we could replace them with better tier plugs,I mean not all of ours are bad.
It just depends how you treat them, and plus it's unnecessary to spend extra money on something as small as that. But sometimes they bend if you hit them in a certain spot inside the outlet, which fucking ruins the whole appliance itself.

>>723159556
/thread

canadian here
im mad that america roped us into their shitty 120v meme

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>/thread

Italian plug master race, 220V, ground and neutral fitted into a small plug. Two italian sockets have approximately the same width as the french/british/german sockets'.

>>723158962
The rest of Europe uses the Shucko plug. That's the best.

>>723159256
why the fuck it has 5 pins ?

>>723160038
Its ok your 575v three phase is very unique you retarded cunts

>>723159862
Neutral is a wha for wha?

All 3 pins serve a unique purpose and need to be differentiated

>>723160045
Also, this. Italian masterrace here.

>>723160068
One is an optical pin for audio

>>723160045
My nigga.
+1 internet to you

>>723159046
Agreed. I'm from Australia and am in Russia right now. Although my plugs don't match, these EU circle plugs are fucking great. Doesn't matter what way, upside or not, it always fits. Good shit.

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>>723160045
Those are even fucking worst than ours, they're extremely thin and it only takes a small bump to fuck the whole plug up in general.

Btw, Americunt here.

>>723160045
damn that looks good. lots of eu plugs are way too bulky

>>723160045
Nice try. Almost fooled us but we know what a fork looks like you faggot

>>723160045
Nothing to stop you inserting it upside down.

plugfail.exe

>>723160212
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>>723160212
i'm sure you are a troll, but it doesn't matter which way you plug it, it just works. Faggot.

>>723160265
In italy you can put it in any hole, doesn't matter. I am not electrician so don't ask me about the plugs

>>723159690
I didn't say they didn't you dick
Fuck euro because of their shitty design
Dick

>>723159475
>no ground
>good

>>723160324
Double dick. The rage is very real in plug debate twenty 17

Sent from my Nokia 3310

>>723160321
I know bro, I'm Italian I know how it works.

>>723160433
We're talking about making sex with men right?

>>723160187
American
Arnt the width of conductors in your plugs like 2mm wide?
If you fell on one while it is plugged in
YOUR house catches fire.
LOL

>>723158962
Temporary wire peasants

You gotta directly hardwire all your shit together

>>723160472
What if I trip over one at my friends house? THEIR house catches fire

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>>723160468
Of course.

>>723160212
>what is alternating current

>>723160518
Likely true
But if I was you
I would rewire my house
Plugs box everything haha

>>723160265
It always amuses me how ignorant of electricity most people are even though they are so full of thier opinion.

Crossing phase and neutral might let your appliance work but it also creates a death trap. Any plug / socket that does not present sorted conductors to the load is automatically inferior. This includes most european systems and the old USA 2 pin. At least america largely corrected the fault with an asymmetrical earth pin in their 3 wire system.

Euros are just retarded.

>>723160558
>what is safety?

Do.you actually know how alternating current works?

>>723160622
>t. burger

Absolutely pathetic, why don't you KYS?

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Have a random file guys
Also bow.

>>723159260
>Eurofag confirmed

>>723160716
Because im paid to understand electricity and you just do your clueless neckbeard smartass shit for free?

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>>723158962

>>723160622
Dubs of sweet American truth. Fuck all you other idiots.

>>723160778
Oh, I'm sure you do. That is why the whole Europe, who has better engineers than burgers can dream of, decided to do a different plug from burgers. Stay inferior, burger.

>>723160858
Oh come on m8
How easy is it to break a euro plug when it's plugged it?

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>>723159046
this. kaltgerätekabel rules.

>>723160997
Nearly impossible with the ones with ground

>>723159046
So much this, schuko is just nice

>>723160945
>better engineers

Perhaps european universities should have engineers cross phase and neutral on a toaster and try and free stuck toast with a butter knife.

I suggest in 1st year to weed out the numbers early.

Remain clueless eurotard.

Ps. Im not american, but kudos to them for admitting the problem and correcting it. Eurotards are too full of themselves to even admit it.

I guess you will die soon
>>723161095

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AS/NZS_3112

Best.

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I am German. Of course ours is best.

Actually British have fuse inside the plug and switches on socket itself. British win.

>>723159475
UK: Individually fused. Long pin on the top is required to be in the wall before the bottom two open up, no sticking shit in the wall and dying. Earth wire has extra slack inside the plug so that it's the last to be disconnected in the case of the cable being pulled out.

>>723161235
y you think so?

>>723161273
Funnily enough, this is actually truth. Simple, cheap to manufacture, allows for a safe 2 pin system for double insulated appliances.

There is a reason the Chinese chose this when they finally caught up and had the choice of the whole planets systems to copy.

>>723159807
Have a good jihad brother

>>723161355
Fused 3 pin plug on a double insulated clock radio drawing 20 mA? The plug costs more than the radio.

Not win.

>>723160068
its charging a fucking car bro

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>>723159475
>no neutral
no

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>>723161147
Hmm
But no earth?
What happens if you putin upside down?

>>723160321
filthy, filthy italians
>put it in any hole

>>723161685
nothing. it works no matter how you put it in

>>723160068
Probally 3 phase with a nutural and sense wire

>>723161227
Hey man hey
Americans don't give a shit about progress within domestic power supply
Hence shit plugs
And no earth
Not to mention the last time America rewired was when tesla did it..
And he was a euro
The euro that built that shitty fucking country..

>>723158962
>solid steel
thats brass

>>723159358
we use 110v because it doesnt' make sense to run at 240 for fucking anything but major appliances. and literally everything we have that is necessary for ground/earth is grounded.

hows the 50hz hum treating you? or are all you cords choked with giant knots to compensate for your ridiculous standards?

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>>723161974
You run on 110 v because you have no money
Mmmm sweet 240

>>723161921
Americans have a great (cost effective) 3 pin plug. They only need to transfer 10 amps remember. You can do that with an alligator clip or just a simple wire twist.

Their problem comes with 2 pin plugtops for double insulated appliances that dont require grounding... although to be fair most of those are small things that arent particularly dangerous with crossed polarity.

Still if they were starting afresh with best practice technology they would design an asymmetrical plugtop.

...like the australian one.

>>723158962
I think an entire board should be created for discussion of the superior power outlet. 4chan.org/pwr/

>>723162345
The shape of the euro and the Australian are bad.
They stick out of the wall
That is not the direction you want to go in.
The UK socket and plug are the best for too many reasons.

>>723162868
>They stick out of the wall

are you literally retarded?

>>723161974
>50Hz hum
Literally never encountered this

>>723159475
>no neutral
It's in the picture you fuck

>>723162868
Australians have 90 degree plugtops m8.

And they only cost a few cents, unlike the uk one that often costs more than the product its connecting. 3 pin fused plugtop on an electric toothbrush charger? That is a joke.

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>>723163314
Oh
Post pic if you can?

>>723163314
Fwiw. The UK only had to fuse its plugtops to correct another of its great wlectrical fuckups - ring mains. Every idiot DIY weekend warrior with delusions of grandeur was adding sockets like they were experts and breaking the ring... leaving 2.5mm open ended rings protecred by a 32 amp breaker. Shit was going to burn so they mandated a fused socket. And doubled the price of every $10 chinese appliance

>>723161974
try not being a prick all the time

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>>723163443

>>723162345
Half voltage means double the current. We commonly have a 16A fuse on a 240v system.
So your household maximum is 10A? How do you power your electronics? Multiple plugs?

>>723162538
I know they are not americans because they not fat

>>723163651
New Zealand here, can confirm superior plugs

>>723162345
120v*10A=1200w maximum
Good luck powering your ridiculously large tv's in the kitchen

America has the best hair plugs.

Look at our president. He was bald 10 years ago.

>>723163079
Even if you did hear it, you wouldn't notice it now as you likely would have heard it most of your life. And when it's removed, you would hear a ringing in your ear likewise to having a fan on for a long time then turning it off.

Not saying the buzz happens, just theorizing.

This thread is fucking great!

>>723163778
What does that have to do with the quality of the american plugtop?

Im not american btw, just concede that thier 'flimsy' plugtop is actually fit for purpose and the rest of the worlds are rediculously over engineered and too expensive.

I agree that they should use 240v. But thier plugtop is good.

>>723161974
> we use 110v because it doesnt' make sense to run at 240 for fucking anything but major appliances

obviously you do not know how electricity works.

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>>723158962
Here in the USA we these kind of plugs too

>>723163651
Ahh
So why are the LN pins slanted like that?
Very Edgy
And why is the plug so damn big
It looks like a door stop.

Didn't ever think I'd see a thread with people getting triggered over a couple of plugs.

>>723159046

Master race!

>>723158962
>solid steel
>literally a photo of brass pins on the plug

>>723159358
>earthed
Why do you cunts use such faggy rhetoric? It's called "grounded" and North American outlets are all grounded too you retard

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>>723164413
Phase and neutral are slanted so you dont get crossed polarity with a 2 pin plugtop when you dont need to earth your double insulated appliance.

Notice the cheaper plugtop on the left whixh is typical on small appoiances vs the earthed plugtop. Both present sorted phase and neutral to the load, one just deletes the redundant earth pin without compromising safety...

>>723164609
What is it 'grounded' to?

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>>723164790

> the ground
> dummy

>>723160197
kek

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>>723164609
Like this one?

>>723165034
Those aren't to building code anymore, at least not in Ontario

>>723164790
The fucking sky

>>723164889

ground
ɡraʊnd/

noun

1. the solid surface of the earth.

"he lay on the ground"

synonyms:floor,earth,terra firma;


Not sure if you amerifats actually drive earth stakes into the earth or just lay some wire across the ground?

Better check before i laugh at your fault loops too

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>>723158962
swiss plugs

like the Italian plug, but not aligned. It's harder to disconnect, and saves more space. 100% compatible with Europlug.

>>723164710

NA plugs have a size differential between pins to prevent crossed polarity where it matters. Most devices don't care which way they're plugged in. Ones that do generally ship 3 prong today.

Our power system is just older than yours, following Benjamin Franklin's famously stealing of electricity from Cleopatra's leftmost vagina.

>>723158962
North America hasn't used these in over 20 years. One blade is wider now

>>723165215
Yeah. But there are hundreds of millions of them still oit there. And grandpa Jones is still hacksawing them dang ground pins off his toaster to plug it in

>>723159517
>murica obviously. a shock from ours will just wake you up, a shock from a UK plug will stop your heart
topkek. A higher voltage doesn't mean shit, it's the current that will kill you. You could have hundreds of thousands of volts pass through you at very low current (milliamps) and you would barely feel it.

>>723164710
Oh So there is not as much risk of damage?
Unlike a UK plug which is not slanted? (novice)

>>723165263
I'm an electrician in Ontario, all new buildings are grounded with a copper wire buried 30cm outside the house

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I'm happy with our plugs :D

>>723165279
nope, euro 2 pins do not fit into swiss

technically italian is easier because it works both ways, but swiss is technically better because dev. manufacturer know where live and neutral is (not that this matters).
schuko (germany and others) work equally well but have a big hard to pull plug.
britains plugs are enormous, also they tend to have flimsy wiring with bad user protection, here germany's system is superior.

>>723165298
Agreed. But its fun to troll the numpties.

And 240v does push harder you tightasses

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>>723165263

Water pipes are a common ground in older homes. Modern buildings will have dedicated wiring.

> dummy

>>723165481
That would be buried in the earth then fellow electrifag? As in the stuff below the ground?

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>>723165448
Imagine if the gubment forced everybody to change their outlets to include a ground receptacle

>>723165624
Buried in the ground. Grounded. Nobody here says "earthed". I think some Jamaican guy we used to work with would say earthed but we corrected that nonsense fast.

>>723165600
That is an earth stake m8. Driven through the ground, into the earth which both provides a steady 0v reference to the system and occasionally an alternate path in the fault loop, which includes the whole earth, not just the ground bit.

>>723165553
euro 2 pins does fit into swiss plugs. sauce: lived in switzerland and used all my 2 pins eu plug seamlessly

meanwhile, sir, you're a complete idiot

>>723160068
L1, L2, L3, N, CP Contact Pilot, PP Proximity Pilot

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When I was in Bangkok, they had these. Technically not a plug but a socket, but thought they were cool

>>723159046
/thread

>>723159256
There's the ground wire, the sky wire, the energy wire, the water wire, and the last wire is the heart wire.

Captain Planet, charge this car!

>>723165637

Which wouldn't do any good since all the devices don't use it. Better to require new buildings and devices to use the third prong and annoy older users into updating their wiring as they can't buy things to plug in anymore.

> or let them suicide via ground-prong removal
> either way, really

>>723165704
Did you miss the oxford definition?

Is there an american dictionary that records the butchery you guys made of the english language? Perhaps i could quote from that.

>>723161227
never heard of rcd, eh?
it doesn't matter how you plug, a contact with the live instantly throws the rcd.
we yuropoors laugh about murrican people using a hairdryer in the bath and dying.
here your greatest concern is how to find the door without the light, should you be dropping a toaster into your bath.

>>723159046
Are those rounded ends? are the female parts concave to make up for the lack of surface area? or does the entire current get forced through the tiny part that its touching?

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>>723165787
>Driven through the ground, into the earth

Okay, that one made me laugh. You fuck.

>>723159556
>>723159723
kek

>>723162538
>More than 1 person fits in that bath
Yeah definitely not americans mate.

>>723165481
>copper
>buried in the earth
you're def not an electrician

>>723165929
>rcd blah blah

Give it up europoor. You guys made a bad choice designing a symmetrical plug and socket, everyone with half a clue about electricity knows it. Just admit it and move on so we go back to laughing at americans for going all tightass with 110v.

Please?

>>723165797
nope
plastic is too wide, pins are too narrow

you could make it fit by forcing them like a hulk, yes, but they are not compatible.
or you did have loosened sockets or modified/cheap plugs.

>>723162538
clearly germans...

just look at the plug lol

>>723166406
trying / 10

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>>723158962
Swiss Type J master race
Compatible with most european ungrounded standards, ground fully optional so you can have a slim phone charger;
Basically an italian plug with added stability

>>723166514
yep, berufsschule steinfurt
also, it was a joke on the last day.
power was from an isolated generator and never on when someone was in the water.

>>723166475
...I had the standard chargers that came with my camera and mobile. they worked just fine in all swiss plugs. not only my home but also at work and at friends' place.

I repeat: my dear fellow, you're a moron.

>>723166514
See how stupid americans are? They even use the wrong plug

>>723161384
>no sticking shit in the wall and dying
This lack of Darwinism is why the UK is now full of weak faggots.

>>723160045
Why does your receptacle look like a fucking optical illusion?

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>>723161687
>>723159556

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

>>723160068

For all 5 types of electricity. Srsly bro, do you even science?

>>723160068
Because it's not a DVD player

>>723160928
Fuck man these are a cunt to fit

>>723166984
>Oversized and Clumsy
>Stops natural selection
>Raised price for a fuse per plug (the remaining voltage circulating in your house will most likely NOT kill you if your House-Fuse Burned)
>Annyoing AF to plug in from uncomfortable Positions

>>723159046
Agreed.

>>723167404
I did 4 in a row on a wharf so the giant cargo ships could get shore power. 35 squares because 300m from DB.

Can confirm nearly impossible to fit.

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eurofag here, our plugs are the best

>>723166653
>>723165279
>>723166643

You have absolutely no valid argument why your plug is better

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>>723162538

>at least 4 different brand of beers on the table
>americans

>>723162538
Those fuckers are so European we're all a little more gay just for having seen that picture.

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You guys know america has 240 too right...

Only reason we even have 120v is because back in the day when we invented AC power that you people use today. We had to make it compatible with existing 120v DC systems.

Power comes into the house as two phases from a single phase on the medium voltage power lines. Neutral is taped in the middle of the transformer for the 240, giving 120v from each phase.

We use 15amp breakers for 14awg and 20amp for 12awg wire. So depending on how the house was built, you either have 15 or 20 amps to work with on a standard 120v socket. Which is more than enough for any standard appliance.


Any thing that needs the higher amount of voltage, you simply run a 240v to it.


120v is less likely to kill you if you touch it, so there is that perk.

Also why send 240v to something like a Lamp, just to power a 5 watt LED bulb or something.

Tfw these autist have no idea what they are talking about and don't know swiss has the best

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>>723168341
It looks like something i made drunk trying to fix my headphones but ended up duct-taping random metal pieces together.

Also, i've never seen a plug for this abomination, good luck using this for anything in a normal house

>>723168341
>14awg

What does this even mean? I would like to banter here as you seem to understand a little about sparks... but checking the resistivity of copper requires a CSA in a first world measurement system.


Tl;dr we use 240v so our consumer conductors can be half the size as yours for the same wattage. And because volt drop is a serious issue when you are only starting at 110. I worry about some of your garage hookups.

>>723168341
The conductor can be thinner thus making the appliance cheaper

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>>723168341
>Only reason we even have 120v is because back in the day when we invented AC power that you people use today


The first alternator to produce alternating current was a dynamo electric generator based on Michael Faraday's principles constructed by the French instrument maker Hippolyte Pixii in 1832. Pixii later added a commutator to his device to produce the (then) more commonly used direct current. The earliest recorded practical application of alternating current is by Guillaume Duchenne, inventor and developer of electrotherapy. In 1855, he announced that AC was superior to direct current for electrotherapeutic triggering of muscle contractions. Alternating current technology had first developed in Europe due to the work of Guillaume Duchenne (1850s), the Hungarian Ganz Works company (1870s), and in the 1880s: Sebastian Ziani de Ferranti, Lucien Gaulard, and Galileo Ferraris.

I love how American history books are almost purely fictional.

>>723158962


I HAD TO GO TO LONDON UK FOR WORK...HOLY FUCK. LOOKS LIKE INDIA.

>>723168682


You are a retard.

>>723164372
I guess that's why noone likes them

>>723165958
The ends are rounded so its easier to slide in (hehe)
The current comes through on the sides

>>723168832

14 awg
14 wire gauge

AWG = American wire gauge


I'm an actual Electrician, not some wanna be DIYer like yourself.

When do you run 120v far enough where you actually need to worry about voltage drop....

Out in the field we pretty much use 12awg for everything, and pulls can be 200ft away. 20amp breaker is still fine and to code.


While I don't do apartment buildings, you tend to have a switchboard down in the basement that feeds large panels every few floors.


Also when it comes to lamp cord, you are not saving much money by using a lesser gauge as you think. You still are using 240v on a lamp, which means you have a higher risk for home fires. As I know for a fact you still have the same type of dumb shits living in your country that packs a shit ton of stuff on a single outlet.

Voltage drop is not even a issue in homes. Hell it really isn't even an issue with 100ft of wire.

Voltage drop is a thing to consider when you need to run 3 phase 480 to a 100hp motor 300ft away. Not for a toaster 3ft away.

110-120v American. Simple, effective, safe..

Uk plug are just over engineered safety faggot crap for a culture that thinks that everything should be designed to protect the most retarded from themselves. A plug doesn't need extra fuses, slips and slides to cover comntacts and special insulators to make sure an idiot doesn't jump them with a butter knife when it isn't plugged in all the way. 240v system isn'y any better and brit plugs are too big and with needless crap. Euro and Asian and the rest aren't even worth mentioning.

>>723168341
Lower voltage, means higher current for the same power, and thus more heat generation in the wires.

Have fun dying in a fire

>>723170116
Volt drop is an issue for runs over 80m, but its dependant on load. Being an electrician you would know this. At 110v the distance essentially halves meaning you need to lower your resistance by increasing your conductor size, dramatically or risk underpowering and overheating your load, and burning shit down.

Ever hooked up a garage mixed circuit more than 40 / 50m? Did you actually check the voltage under load? Did they then run a welder on that circuit?

FWIW, im an electrical engineer and an electrical contractor.

>>723170229
Wire is sized correctly for the appliance.

Thus wire gets no hotter than the lower sized wire on higher voltage system.

Both are sized on load.

240v is able to arc to a much greater ease. Also 240v is more likely to kill someone, which is why the EU has more electrical caused deaths.

>>723170587
>50m is a 160ft....

You don't run welders on 120v. We use our 240/480 voltages for stuff like that.

Like I said, for under 200ft. Voltage drop really isn't an issue, and is totally to code. As it is written in the code book. I've ran 120v 200ft, and you still get 115-119v AC. But for runs like that GFI's are almost always used. Which have internal 15amp breakers.

80m is 260feet. Honestly only time we run 120v that for is for controls. Plug Switches, Bindicators, rotoswitches, limit switches, pretty much low wattage devices that simply Close/Open depending on the task at hand. And feed from a small 4-5amp breaker in a PLC panel.

>>723170116
>feet
>feet
>awg
>yards
>feet
>awg

Seriously. Do you faggots actually do the maths on your installs?

Physics does not understand your gibberish.

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>>723170674

>Being able to arc with much greater ease
Bitch please at these sizes of plugs arcing is not going to be a problem

Secondly EU sockets have an extra layer of plastic which has to be moved in order to plug a device into the wall.
Thus it is impossible to stick a fork in the socket by accident like with your open holed (slutty) plugs

>>723171209
>I've ran 120v 200ft, and you still get 115-119v

I bet you dont. You arent testing under load. Its well and good to fire it up and put your meter on it, but volt drop is dependant on load. Next time check the voltage at full load.... and pray you dont burn someones detached garage down.

>>723171222
Not knowing how to do both.

Cute.

I deal with both.

Not hard to convert mm to in


Fractions are easy, and work great.


Feel sorry for the people that can't use both.

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>>723158962
Best plug because easier to plug into wall

>>723171222

Everything is divisible by 8.

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Ya'll niggas plugs are gay

>>723171411
Resistivity of copper and resistance of cable is calculated in sq mm, not both.

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>>723170116
>actual Electrician
so you hook up what the book says without having any knowledge about it? Nice source.

>Out in the field we pretty much use 12awg for everything

Do you even know why?

> 110V gives lesser chance on homefires

So a 60Watt lamp on 110V doesn't give off 60 watts compared to a 60 Watt lamp on 220V?

Nice logic you got there

>>723171395
lol

Your cute

You must have been proud when you rewired your daddy garage hu?


Like I said, if you do everything by the code. It is always good. Simple as that.


If you run 12awg 200 and stick a gfi that is limited to 15 amps anyways. Those wires would get warm even with a full 15amps of load.

Though I know for a fact you can easily do more than 20 amps on a 12awg wire. Hell they are rated to 25, but can easily be pushed to 30amps. But that would be out of code.

Really you don't use it for anything more than 20amps max. Far from any real danger. And you could go 300feet and still be fine. Maybe do the math.

>>723158962
I won't plug this thread

>>723171209

A basic MIG welder can absolutely run on 120v. I use one on a daily basis in an auto garage.


True, welding thick plate steel requires 220, but for basic exhaust repair and general light welding, 120 works fine.

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>>723161685
>What happens if you putin upside down?
top kek

>>723171889
You keep talking about current carrying capacity and ignoring volt drop. That is in your codes too isnt it? Like actual calculations required by an electrical contractor and sizing cable to suit all the cable selection criteria.

I worry about you if you just dumb it down to 'we always use this size so she be right'

You have much to learn about actual electricity but i bet you chase blockwork and haul cable like a fucking king right?

>>723171617
Yeah any Electrician needs to use the book.

You just don't go and do something and hope it is right. As when it gets inspected, what is in the code book and what local town electrical codes state are very important.

For Example, some places will not let you use MC Cable unless it is suspended in air every 4 feet above ceiling tiles. It's not in the code book, but a something one city requires.

We use 12awg for everything, because why waste time buying a spool of 14gauge wire when you mostly just need 12. We do use 14 gauge at times, but not for receptacles and lights. We over spec them in case we need to add more later. As when you pull something 200 feet, you don't want to pull another circuit in years later if they want to add another light or two.

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>>723158962
Good ol' USA, of course. Our home electrical sockets and plugs are shit, but the Navy gets it right.

>>723172190
Yeah, little welders do.

But I don't deal with those on most of my job sites. I do electrical for grain elevators. When you need to weld something, it tends to be thick steal. Most use generators on the backs of trucks. We only let them use 240 from plugs dedicated to welding and other high voltage tasks.

>ireland
Same as uk plugs our sockets are safer because the have a safety mechanism notice the top prong is slightly larger than the 2 bottom ones the top prong doesnt do anything (sometimes its just plastic) because when you put the plug in the top prong pushes down a switch which unblocks the two bottom sockets so a child (or a retarded person from the internet) would actually have to really try to electrocute themselves easer said than done and their twice as powerful (220volts) murica has cucked plugs

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Danish plug is the best

>>723172329
Yeah there is, but like I said. Runs need to be far, and have a lot of load.

Those runs tend to be 480v. 120v does have voltage drop, but for the runs we do it will never max out the conductor. They can only pull 15amps max from the socket.

You keep talking about 120v like I'm going 300ft and feeding a sub panel with 12guage. Like I said, if the run and guage abide by what is in the code book (calculations as all). It is good.

Though maybe you are just stupid, idk.

>>723172800
It looks so happy :D

>>723172894
Im talking about a mixed circuit run to a detached garage at anything more than 50 yards (your stupid measure system)

You keep talking about 15a, like that matters. What matters is that your voltage will drop away to dangerous levels if grandpa loads up that 110v circuit with a welder and a dust extractor and his beer fridge. 110v is not a good starting point. 240v as the standard and only option is much safer. My god you are dense. Keep haulin cable kid.

>>723172894
As voltage goes down, current increases to keep up with the load.

So amps always matters.

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>>723165600

So where does the cable go in the ground? Back to the power plant? Weird Eurofags.

>>723172398
you talk about overspeccing, but hate on the overspec of 220V!

Damn hypocrite!

>>723173325
Well for one, A garage like that would get a sub panel. That would be feed with 240.

As why only send a single 120 over to it.

Second. Even if the garage is only 150 feet away, and you feed it with 12awg. You still are going to get the full 20amps. Even with voltage drop.

Plus any voltage drop just increase the current. Therefor you are just pulling more amps from the panel. So really, you still can't go past 20amp without tripping a breaker.

So I don't see the problem here....


Really for 240 or 120, the size of wire and the matched breaker size will be the deciding factor on how many watts you can supply that garage. 240 vs 120 has nothing to do with it.

And 240 vs 120 has to deal with is mostly cost of wire. 240v will be cheaper, 120v will be safer.

>>723161536
And a merryy jihad to all

>>723173768
Facepalm.jpg


Never sèen a garage run with just a mixed 110v circuit straight from the main db? Like ever?

You keep talking about current carrying capacity and ignoring volt drop. Why is that? Too complicated for you?

Are all american sparkies this cocksure and simple?

>>723160858
when all your muslim filled fuck nation can do is compare plugs, im from canada and my country is racially pure, all i see is white people, can you say the same? :)

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>>723160045
get your fuckin alien plugs out of here

those look like they would be fun if you bumped into them from shin height and just watch your poor appliance get ripped the fuck out with bent plugs

>>723174392
They're much more resistant than you think.

>>723162538
They are actually very smart because they made sure the water wasn't ionized

>>723174083
Like I said, when the voltage drops. Current goes up. You need to be 300feet+ to be in the range where you need to upsize the wire to counter the voltage going too low. Those runs are pretty rare.

I haven't seen many non attached garages that didn't have their own sub panel. Especially if they are 200ft+ away. Hell we have an attached garage and it has a sub panel. But that isn't as common, but not a rare thing to see.


A garage 100-150ft away with a single 120v feed to it, it does happen. Mostly on older garages, and tends to be only for lights and a one-two receptacles. Most of them are old, so they use the two wire non grounded romex. Feed by direct burial, normally with 12awg. But most of those old garages are feed by a 15amp breaker/fuse.


You keep talking about voltage drop like it happens so quickly on 120v. Which it does not. On top of that, you still forget about load on the line. And that the breaker will still trip at 20amps. So nothing could ever be burned down, as that was your main argument. Which would not happen, as even with voltage drop you are just increasing current. Pulling more amps.


Only time voltage drop becomes a problem is when the voltage drops too low, which requires very long runs.

>>723174866
lol

Actually they are not grounded, so no reason for current to pass through their body.

>>723174870
300ft = 90m. No way on this planet are you not getting substantial volt drop from 110v in 300ft. Remember to test under full load, not just at idle / powerup.

Perhaps another anon can do the math for this newfag... its late and im going to bed.

Good luck. Hope you dont start any fires and one day start to understand the implications of your guesswork... without ending up in jail.

Fwiw... 240 / 420 is superior in most ways. The only reason you guys have 110 is inertia, not because you know something the entire rest of the world doesnt.

Gnight

>>723158962
praise be to papa britain for bestowing us undeserving natives the best plug in the world

>>723175601
I just said at 300ft you would start upsizing...
maybe your eyes need to get checked?

American homes are already feed by 240. So comparison is moot.


I didn't realize you use spools of extension cords to plug in toasters.


Maybe you are just jealous of Large American Homes, our large plots of land, our great lakes. I mean I would, I don't blame you.

>>723174870
so, can you do the honours of saying which is more severe, a voltage drop of 5 volts on a 110V network or a 5 volts drop on a 220V network?

Hint it is 110V, why? Check it percentage wise!
it is roughly a 4,5% difference on a 110V, but only a 2,25% difference on 220V.

>>723165546
De bedste der er.

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>>723158962
>steel