Who's fault is a crime - rapist's or victim's? Discuss.

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>>723099218
Rapist but the victim in cases of being assaulted in public areas can do more to protect themselves and mitigate risk when going out. In cases of rape in which the assaulter is someone whom the victim knows there isn't much to be done other than to stay inside and never have friends. Bit of a loaded question to be honest since it's not as binary as black and white.

If you don't now who is she - a girl(17 years old) on a party drank alcohol and was raped by 21 years old dude. Most of people think that this is her fault and she lies.

>>723099434
But its ofc isn't victim's fault, u mean? Some people are not strong, and usually girls are much more weak(physically) than rapist to fight him or smth.

>>723099218
Women are incapable of being raped.
Only a human being can be raped.
>Only a human being can be raped.
Only a human being can be raped.
>Only a human being can be raped.
Only a human being can be raped.
>Only a human being can be raped.
Only a human being can be raped.
>Only a human being can be raped.
Women are incapable of being raped.

>>723100388
U want to say that women are not humans, or what?

>>723100388
Edgy

>>723099434
This.
If your house is robbed, is it your fault for leaving the doors unlocked? Or the burglars fault for entering your home and taking your things?

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>>723099988
It's the rapist that perpetrates the illegal act but the victim isn't without culpability. Even if she was inebriated it kind of goes against reason she would be responsible for the actions of others who do something to take advantage. She is however responsible for putting herself into a situation in which she had been accessible to being raped.

He's wrong for doing the raping 100% as no one male or female should be taken advantage of in that way but I posit this hypothetical. Would you go into the safari wearing a meat suit? No, because it's common sense to act with a shred of self preservation. Chalk it up to bad luck and inexperience with the perceived dangers of being at a party with alcohol and people you don't know or trust. But guy should get charged with taking advantage and she gets slammed for underage drinking and pretty much lives with the consequences of her actions.

You know, getting diddled and all that.

>>723100604
And what do you mean under "leaving doors unlocked"?

>>723099434
>Bit of a loaded question to be honest since it's not as binary as black and white.
try posting that on /pol/

>>723100821
But most of victims knew their rapist before the crime.

>>723100604
This argument is close but also not close because the circumstances are different. Yes you can't change what the burglar is going to do in the situation of a home invasion but in her situation she went to the party means immediately she opened herself up to more trouble. And to your argument there are is also other mitigating factors. You can certainly lower the risk of home invasion; get a dog, security system, own a gun. In this case with the rape the underlying factor is if she hadn't attended a party in which she can't control her circumstances it would never have happened. He still should be charged of course because there is no way she can consent if she's passed out. But the situation would never have existed in the first place if she never went.

>>723100918
Wearing provocative clothing, drinking or taking drugs near strangers, etc.
What that means is that there are precautions and safety measures one can take to avoid getting raped, and not doing so leaves some blame to the victim.
Of course a dedicated rapist/burglar will commit the crime no matter how many precautions are taken, which is why it can only really be handled in a case-by-case basis, these kinds of things are hard to generalize.

>>723101077
I addressed that in the previous post up above saying in that case there isn't anything that can be done to protect yourself more. In the case of attending a party with individuals you don't know while under the influence you open yourself up to trouble.

>>723100932
kek

>>723100821
>It's the rapist that perpetrates the illegal act but the victim isn't without culpability. Even if she was inebriated it kind of goes against reason she would be responsible for the actions of others who do something to take advantage. She is however responsible for putting herself into a situation in which she had been accessible to being raped.
>He's wrong for doing the raping 100% as no one male or female should be taken advantage of in that way but I posit this hypothetical. Would you go into the safari wearing a meat suit? No, because it's common sense to act with a shred of self preservation. Chalk it up to bad luck and inexperience with the perceived dangers of being at a party with alcohol and people you don't know or trust. But guy should get charged with taking advantage and she gets slammed for underage drinking and pretty much lives with the consequences of her actions.

Using your logic: If you get shot anywhere in the United States under any circumstances it is partially your fault because you chose to live in a country where there are so many guns. Chalk it up to bad luck and inexperience with the perceived dangers of living where there is a high possibility of encountering a criminal with a gun. You will pretty much have to live with the consequences of your actions.

Men also drink alcohol and take drugs with strangers, but 90% if victims are still women
btw

>>723101294
It can also be said that you hold some responsibility after getting robbed if you leave your doors unlocked with no security to speak of. There is a certain amount of common sense that should come with both things, but failure to observe it would leave the victim at least somewhat liable.

>>723100821
I bet you wonder why you're single

>>723101738
this

>>723101738
>Using your logic: If you get shot anywhere in the United States under any circumstances it is partially your fault because you chose to live in a country where there are so many guns. Chalk it up to bad luck and inexperience with the perceived dangers of living where there is a high possibility of encountering a criminal with a gun. You will pretty much have to live with the consequences of your actions.

That is just bad luck but in the case of being shot would you say your chances of being shot are higher in an area of high crime where muggings occur or at your local movie theater? Your argument isn't very sound in that case.

If you say that "if you leave your house unlocked, be ready for robbery" or "you won't wear meet on safari" you mean that doesnt matter does girl want sex, she just ruined one of the society's great rule and you can rape her like animals
you guys must really hate yourselfs