What are the opinions of the fags of /b?

>>723065055
I think I just bought all those same parts for a computer I'm building

why don't you just go lga1151 with intel?

lol

new amd cpu soon, ryzen

>>723065055
Why not wait a month and get a Ryzen CPU?

as always
Nvidia > AMD
Intel > AMD
please dont buy that AMD bullshit... you will regret it after a while

>>723065491
>>723065661
>this is what Intel fanboys actually believe

Never once bought Intel. Never once regretted it.

www.logicalincements.com

Now that that is out of the way, it looks like a decent setup for a non Intel?nVidia gaming rig.

Personally I would get a 1070 GPU, but I'm biased against AMDs (the drivers are ASS).

Also, i would invest in a CM 212 Evo for the CPU, AMDs have a nasty habit of getting hot.

>>723065055
don't buy "gaming" shit and especially not MSI
you don't need a gold PSU, waste of money. bronze is enough
if you gonna go with AMD's gpu get sapphire

>>723065661
OP here, you really think so? I mean I didn't pay a dime for it, which is why I'm excited.

>>723065055
>MSI
>XFX

Be ready for those to die on you. I repair and build computers for a living and like a quarter of the stuff I got by them died within a year.

>>723065055
i like how the second one has FA6 in its model number
very fitting for the FAG OP

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>>723065055
I have an RX 480 and I had a simular Processor. LISTEN TO ME. DO. NOT. GET. AN. AMD PROCESSOR.

get an I7. This is not a meme or a joke. The AMD processor I had preformed like SHIT and ran so hot It would shut off my system every few hours. The RX480 Is an outstanding video card. I've yet to meet a game that could take it down in terms of max setting with 60+ FPS consistently.

Everything els looks bueno

>>723065787
just look at the benchmarks from the cpus.
Intel cpus are allot better than the cpus by AMD.
I am not a Intel fanboy i even game AMD a chance by buying 2 7970 GC.
the first was done after half a year and the secoand after a year. I went back to Nvidia and it still works

>>723066088
did you use the stock cooler on the cpu?

>>723065055
I own some older AMD 125 Watt CPU's, and I'll never go with something that hot again. 85 Watts is plenty hot.

>>723066165
I don't know. It was a prebuilt when I got it originally. I upgraded it myself and the cooler looked preddy good

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>>723066088
>>723065892

OP DONT LISTEN TO THESE FAGSS JUST BUY AN I7 AND A GTX 1060 JESUS FUCKIGN CHROST

>>723065655
This. Should wait to see how Ryzen compares to intel equivalents

>>723066121
>Intel cpus are allot better than the cpus by AMD
Bullshit. I've never found an Intel CPU that couldn't be outperformed by an AMD CPU at around 3/4 the price.

>>723066293
or an 1070

It's an extremely bad time to buy right now. Wait for the Ryzen release and get a way better CPU for the same price. Tests are showing the ability to deliver around the same performance as intel CPUs at half the price or less. Depends on which models and what Intel does with the prices of their stuff.

I run a variety of machines in different forms (server/desktop/htpc/laptop) with all kinds of hardware. So I have decades of experience with INtel/amd and nvidia/ati hardware. THe CPU wars is getting good again. We'll see how the GPU thing goes.


Lots of reviews out there for you to confirm

>>723066365

unnecessary if you're playing 1080p

>>723066293
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1QqCwizxSTb

>>723066357
ok, have fun with you AMD CPU. Maybe you can afford an Intel CPU in a few years

>>723066343
If the leaked benchmarks are true then AMD might even beat intel in performance.

>>723066246
stock coolers are shit. after market is a must

>>723065055
most people here are retarded and you have to shave their ass hair to find out if they're even mildly intelligent.


Oh you mean about computers. no idea bro. technology passed me by about three years ago.

>>723065055
I have this mobo. Its okay for the price, but voltage control isn't that great.

>>723066416

A. nice voice, really enjoyed that

B. why not just get an i7 and a gtx 1060 where he can play literally any game ultra on 1080p fag?

>>723066357
It's not just about power. It's also about stability and longevity. I've never even seen an Intel CPU fail due to anything other then user error. I've also never heard of someone with an AMD CPU that didn't upgrade partially due to issues

>>723065055
Everything seems fine except for that AMD CPU. That CPU is going to heat up very quickly without liquid cooling and even with liquid cooling it still heated up quite a bit for me.

723066246

That really depends on what you're doing with the machine. The anniversary edition pentium I think it was the g3250 was super cheap (60 bucks) and ran circles around the FX series in low thread count tasks.

Having said that the ryzen series has a vast improvement in per core performance.

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>>723066524

>Im too retarded to watch 3 videos and read a couple of pages on reddit to catch up on all consumer grade pc tech out there

>therefore everyone else is....

i5 2500k is is $85 on ebay, for the price it's only slightly lower in the performance bracket to not make a difference if it is overclocked. Combined with that gpu.

>>723066088
If it was overheating it would explain the performance issues.

I am using an old phenom II x4 965 and still can play any new game with no lag.

>>723065055
wait for the amd ryzen to come out. Don't be stupid.

>>723066612
I have literally never had an AMD CPU die on me and I've been building computers all my adult life

My Fx 6300 is OCed to 4.8 ghz with a hyper 212 + cpu cooler. I live in a very hot humid area (today will hit 80) and my CPu temps peak in the low 50s.

A good case decent Heat sink and a proper cleaning schedule does wonders. If you go liquid cooling then clean the fcking radiator occasionally :P

>>723066839
nah. you just can't master continuously. eventually it moves outside the realm of the way you were taught.

I started with redhat and stackable compaq towers. just cant/don't have reason to keep up nowadays.

>>723066560
>A. nice voice, really enjoyed that
Thank you I have no idea why I did that
> why not just get an i7 and a gtx 1060 where he can play literally any game ultra on 1080p fag?

Because as I stated earlier I havnet met a game my RX-480 couldn't max out with consistent 60+ fps

>>723066612
I have had several clients whos Intel CPUs died on them within months while I have yet to see any AMD die except from DOA or user error.

>>723066814
I have the fx8350 and with the 212evo it doesn't go above 40°C

>>723067010
remember when there was actually an OS called fedora? Kek (even tho it was badass).

723066887

I had to throw away an athlon xp 2400+ system and a p3-500 based system last year because I just didn't have anything for them to do. Both overclocked entire lives (heavily in a hot area).

If you take care of your stuff and it survives the first two months it usually lasts a long time.

>>723067010
I took a computer building class more than 10 years ago and everything I learned there is still relevant to building computers today.

Are you just retarded or something?

>>723067222
im still pretty good. just not enough to offer advice on OPs modern brand build. But im interested enough to watch the thread and see what you guys say

go outdoors. best graphics ever over 6 billion players hc mmo permadeath etc

I'm going to have to agree with the others and say wait for Ryzen.
The 8350 really isn't worth it right now if you want to use it for games. This is coming from someone who desperately wants AMD to come back.
Even if you still want to go the 8350 route, it's price will probably drop a bit once Ryzen releases.

>>723067373
soft kek

>>723067165
I'm the dude you tried to reply too. Not really sure what your point is with that post, but the two month bit is pretty consistent with my experiences

>>723067365
Gotcha. I thought you were insinuating that the process of building computers had changed to much for you to follow

Intel = Better production quality
AMD = Better architecture design

Intel just tries to jam as many transistors as possible into their processors but often has higher internal latency issues which leads to a stuttery kind of slow down when stressed.

While AMD focuses more on reducing internal latency to make up for fewer transistors leading to less of stutter up load.

>I love AMD over intel because no matter how much I have my computer doing it never stutters like intel.

>>723067373
>Too expensive.

>>723067586

Say saying I've had the same experience but with intel and AMD.

Been assembling units since 91.

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>>723067373
>leveling system sucks
>theory-crafting takes multiple players multiple playthroughs
>in-game economy is borked

3/10 game would not play again

>>723067705
Nothing in this post is based on any kind of logic whatsoever. Intel is usually concerned with improving single threaded performance for the price over AMD, but amd usually does a better job of providing multi threaded performance over intel for the price.

>>723065811
>tfw AMD has better drivers than Ngreedia
Do some research you fucktard

>>723067816
Got it. I never build with Intel for price reasons alone, but other than that I've got nothing against them

WHy not wait for ryzen and vega

>>723068144
Probably waiting for the price to drop some

>>723067882
I've used almost consistently alternating AMD and Intel, there are purchases that can be made at different times, that last longer for what someone may want to eventually do, but I don't even purchase most of my hardware, I inherit it from my younger brother who tends to upgrade, and donate his old computers. I say they have started lasting longer and longer for what I use them for, the last system may have lasted 5 years, my current one that he donated a year ago may last even longer, but I still have the ability to upgrade the graphics card for the games that I wish to play.

Even a system with 10 year old hardware can perform fine for basic web browsing, as long as the user isn't slowed down by their system or their system doesn't perform quickly enough for the user to find it acceptable to their train of thought that is usually the only reason to upgrade.

>>723068090

My picks are based off what is best for my client. Some clients have the budget and desire for higher level performance.

I assembled some setups using the intel g3258 CPU because at 60 bucks it ran low threaded games just as well/better than my OCed 6300. Was a great fit for a few budget builds.

I recommend to wait how ryzen compares to Intel, if the leaked benchmarks and prices are correct you could get a better rig for the same amount of money.

>>723068303
If you can think faster and input faster than your computer can react to what you want to do and know it is possible to be quicker with another system you may want or need new hardware. Or become a programmer and increase the efficiency of your software by any means necessary it is still possible to browse 4chan on a computer that is over 20 years old.

>>723065892
No op, hes an idiot. Anyone who claims AMD is inherently inferior has no clue what their talking about. Currently AMD has not release a new CPU architecture in 5 years, so swapping for an i5 or waiting for Ryzen would be best. The RX 480 is objectively the best card for its price point, excellent selection. No it will not die after a short time, and if it does its a manufacturing error and you can get a replacement fairly easily, this happens with Nvidia as well.

>>723068303
not the person you're respinding to but I agree. Advancements in "technology" are based almost 100% on user end interface.

If you're technologically inclined enough. you can be thomas gabrielle with a toshiba satellite

You can also have a closed shell system with a T1 connection and be pewdie pie.

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computer engineer here

the 8350/am3+ mobo has a bad price to what you get ratio nowadays unless you got some sort of deal on the components you fucked up

you could buy a cheaper power supply if you're not planing on crossfire config in the future

gpu is good tho

>>723068071
AMD drivers have been excellent for more than a year, in fact they brought the 480's performance up to the 1060's not long ago, meanwhile Nvidia has been fucking up geforce experience. The whole "AMD has been ddrivers and is hot hurr durr" meme was only relevant because of the 290/x, a card released 3 or 4 years ago(which also happens to be beating the 780ti, 780, titan and 970 despite all of those cards being faster on release)

i myself are on a i7 7700k and 1070 GTX combo. Love it, but with the coming of RYZEN it's gonna be a blast this year.

>>723067365

look dude i built my first pc when the gt9600 was something drool worthy and felt the same as you do now when i wanted to build a pc for my brother, i literally just went on reddit and read all the suggested builds then watched the linustechtips explanation videos on youtube and that was it.

If anything pc buidling is now simpler than ever because the one thing that actually took some experience to overcome was avoiding conflicts / incompatible parts and now even that's gone with "pc part picker"

give it a day and you'll be on top of the whole thing

>>723067882
Yes when it comes to how they handle threading you are right but there is far more to it than just that.

Intel only updates their architecture and never really tries to innovate like AMD does.
Just look at how Intel steals the innovations of AMD, they stole hypertransport, having cores communicate directly with each other, cool and quiet, and much more.

>Not to mention Intel had to rig benchmarks to beat AMD during the Athlon era because they were still basing their processors on Pentium 2 architecture and lacked many things AMD did.

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>>723069148

>computer engineer here

cringe

>>723069234
might be the time to upgrade my core2duo 4gb ddr2 system

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>>723065055
This is bait...

>>723067076

yes but the difference in price is like $70 isn't it? who cares about AMD dude

>>723069620
Do it, it's gonna be a great year for Computer (gaming). Below 1000 dollar/euro you can have a beast.

>>723069616
>cringe
>/b/
you know where you are right? also this is a meme by now

>>723065661
Intel is better, but if you're only using your computer for gaming get a cheaper AMD and an nVidia.

The benefits of Intel are only really seen when it comes to multimedia creation.

>>723069553

When they finally got plug n play working properly and settled on fewer standards it became incredibly easy to assemble computers. You had it easy when you started.

My first assembled unit using the early standards would be a cyrix based 386 sx 16 mhz unit with 1mb ram a 40 mb ide hard drive because SCSI was too expensive. Started with a 2400 baud modem and picked up an 8 bit ISA mono sound blaster card some years afterwards.

>>723065881
Don't listen to this guy, do not get Bronze.

Get Gold.

>>723069859

what's wrong with bronze?

>>723065661
I got the RX480 last year. I don't regret it yet. I can actually play my shit with high enough fps for under $200 dollars.

>>723069699
im aiming more at the 500 dollar/euro i just hope their lower end offerings wont be completely useless because at the moment i cant build shit that woude feel like it was worth it

>>723069556
Intel doesn't need to really innovate. Maybe once AMD actually catches up to them and becomes competition they will.

But right now AMD isn't really a threat, or competition to anyone.

>>723069935

Everything and nothing. The design of the PSU matters more than the minor differences in efficiency certification (assuming it really was certified as some just cheat it).

I recently purchased a i7 6700k. It's amazing and works well for what I do. I know what people are saying about Ryzen. It's being hyped to hell and back, but I don't know, I just can't trust AMD. I just can't. I hope they prove me wrong, but Intel has been giving me consistent performance over and over again. I even have an old i7 2600k (6 years old), that works just like new.

>>723065055
I had this exact board. Get an Asus ROG board, much better.

>>723070053
>catches
>not caches

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>>723070053

>AMD has the laptop, consoles and half the pc markets in its pocket

>isn't really a threat

topkek

>>723069935
Shitier capacitors. And that matters, if anything else goes on the PSU, it will either shut down your computer, or just start making loud noises. If the capacitors fuck up it can start proving more power to your parts.

Had a bronze go on one of my old computers, and it took out my MB and graphics card with it. Spend the extra, get a little more protection.

>>723070184
The plural of Catch is Catches. Unless you're trying to make a bad cache joke.

>>723070119

Performance tests are out there galore from 3rd parties. At this point the FX series was already shown as being weaker than Intel due to the disappointing single thread performance.

AMD fixed the single threaded performance issue and finally PROPERLY did the multi-threading side of things. The engineer they brought on to lead the design of Ryzen has a very good track record and is very well regarded.

Spend 20 seconds with google to confirm.

>>723070043
pretty sure you can build a nice medium rig Anon.

>>723065055
I'm more of an Intel/NVIDIA guy, but it looks like a pretty respectable build.

Have fun!

>>723070257
lol.

Intel controls 99% of the CPU market share.
nVidia controls 82% of the GPU (non discreet) market share.

AMD has all the markets that make fuck all for proffit. Consoles and Laptops.

Like I said, not a threat or competition to anyone.

>>723069935
What's more important is who the real manufacturer is, not just who's brand it's sold under. Seasonic makes quality PSUs.

>>723070278

There are many bronze units out there that rock the proper caps.

>>723070395
I know, I've seen the benchmarks, but I'm talking more about durability, and consistency. I feel as though AMD is always a bit of a gamble, whereas Intel is the safer purchase.

>>723070541

Seasonic makes some shitty PSUs too. What REALLY matters is the client's design.

For those that don't know Seasonic is one of many OEM PSU makers. Antec/corsair/etc have their PSUs made by Seasonic or one of their rivals in the OEM market.

>>723070278
>>723070541

idk man ive had a corsair cx600m for the past 3 years now and it's been good to me, should i be worried? im chaning my mobo to upgrade my cpu soon, should i swap it in for a better psu?

>>723070678

EVERY component is a gamble. I've had to send back something from every single major manufacturer over the years.

>>723070678
I'm still trying to figure out how AMD hasn't gone bankrupt yet.

They haven't made a profit in their GPU department for years now. It's actually worth less now, than it was when they bought it from ATI.

Every year they loose over 100 million in that department, and yet they're still alive.

>>723070278
not the same guy but i have a lc power psu they are known for being the shittest pc brand out there.
i had my system for around 5 years now my cpu is even oced a bit controvert to what the internet says my pc hasent exploded yet

>>723065055
wait for ryzen

>>723070767
no need

Im just sat here on my little alienware alpha (i3 + 750ti) playing all sorts of games at 1080p, 60fps on mostly high settings. Cost me 280 pound.

>>723071014
>alienware
way to be retarded

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>>723070852
And my PSU was almost 6 when it went. The difference is HOW it goes. Better ones tend to have parts that aren't going to fry your other shit when / if it goes.

Parts that have longer lifespans and higher ratings. In addition to other features designed so that if it goes, it's not going to fuck shit up on it's way out.

>>723070767

One of my desktop units uses that exact same PSU. That unit is ran 24/7 at 100% utilization on the GPU and CPU. Pulling about 500 watts everyday at about 30c ambient air in that room. I took the machine down and did a check on the PSU last year. Ripple and all that still looks good for a budget PSU. Your mileage may vary.

>>723071069
Maybe the other alienware products are overpriced, but the alpha is actually good. Can't build anything like it for the same price.

>>723066497
And if the leaks are correct, it's also going to match Intel for price. So no fucking point really.

>>723071014
>alienware
How's highschool treating you?

>>723066887
This. I have used AMD CPUs for every build for the last 20 years. Intel makes a phenomenal product but the extra benefits are not worth the increased cost. AMD is a good value, if you have unlimited resources and want bleeding edge performance then you aren't the person who cares about value anyway. I have 2 computers with 8 core AMD chips and Nvidia 970 graphics and it is dead stable and performs well. Focus on getting your OS and software overhead down. These can degrade performance. No bloat ware

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>>723071190
way to get trolled.

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>>723071204

>being a poorfag

>>723070278

Your problem was a shitty designed PSU with shitty caps in it. Nothing to do with gold or bronze rating. There are many "gold" PSUs out there with shitty designs.

>>723070402
not really tho

the only real option right now is the new pentium with hyper threading witch isnt particularly good

i thought about building high end amd apu system but after reviewing some benchmarks i changed my mind pretty quick

>>723065055
i've had personal issues with msi before. they tend to die easy

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>>723065055

>AMD

>not getting the literal BEST entry level GPU of all time which is the ASUS STRIX GTX 1060 for a few extra bucks

>>723071273
Wealth is built by not being flashy and buying more than you need. Being frugal is always prudent. Also some people use computers for you know, work. Something I'm sure is alien to you.

>>723071167

The prices for some of the Ryzen chips has been released already. Ryzens are currently priced so that they are less than half the price of a comparable performing Intel CPU. Intel will have to respond.

>>723069553
i disagree dude. to put it bluntly I do not believe a couple jewtube videos will fill in my knowledge gaps.

you're talking internet hipsters...im talking people who work in buildings with no windows. No offense meant.

>>723069841
Im not this guy fyi. but hell yeah its easier now. used to have to write your own fucking drivers

>>723071453
Don't, DO NOT buy ASUS.

Sure they make quality parts, but if a part actually goes, they will do everything in their power NOT to provide the warranty.

I recently returned a board because one of the RAM slots died. They returned it back to me. There was a small scratch on the metal audio casing and the said because it was a damaged product they won't provide warranty coverage.

>>723071453
I do have to say Intel graphics are the bee's knees. Especially on Linux. AMD had open source drivers but I've had loads of issues out of them. NVIDIA has closed source and while this rubs me the wrong way a bit the performance and stability increases are worth going against principal.

>>723071615

>linus is an """internet hipster"""

he may look like a fag but he's building pcs for more than a decade and he takes apart literally everything he gets his hands on so he has good surface knowledge about everything and good real knowledge about a few things (such as video editing)

>>723071738

I actually bought it from a well known store in my country which replaces your part no questions asked..

>>723071738
That's shitty and a shame because they do have great Mobo's I haven't been burnt by this yet. Who do you use?

>>723071513
No intel won't have to respond. They control 99% of the CPU market.

>>723071804
Closed source is almost always of higher quality than open source.

>>723065055
AMD is crap, EVGA is crap, ATI is crap.
Driver hell. Use Intel/Nvidia and a real PSU.

>ITT: A bunch of nerds dribbling over their mechanical keyboards arguing AMD VS INTEL

OP here's some real advice. Get an i5. i7 is a waste of money. Nvidia and AMD cards are both fine.

>>723071906
I moved on to MSI (board), I go with EVGA (GPU) as they have excellent return policies. I've had to return a 980ti and they took it in, and didn't even to check to see if it was broken. They just sent a new one out same day.

>>723071993

>EVGA is crap

substantiate your claims.. they do make great boards and used to make great GPSs (before the 10XX generation)

>>723071955
That's a ignorant statement. Most of the software controlling the internet and encryption are open source. There can be an argument made for a closed ecosystem like Apple has but generally transparency and more eyes on the problem is always better from a security standpoint.

>>723069975
if you bought a 480 for under 200$ of hate to see the specs on it. Walmart brand I suppose.

>>723072092
>i7 is a waste of money.
I thought people stopped saying that 3 years ago.

>>723072085
>>723065055

This OP

i7 is worthless if you don't edit videos or 3d model.

t.have a i5-4570K with my GTX 1060

>>723072092
My GPU is an EVGA card. Haven't used MSI in like 15 years. Maybe on the next build.

>>723071738
From what store did you purchase your Asus product?

I had a similar experience with Gigabyte.

>>723071903
i have no idea how he looks. im just old and salty. you're probably right.

>>723072167
Not the guy you meant to reply to, but I agree with him. Within reason. For gaming, you don't need an i7. i5 is more than enough.

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>>723070528
>makes up statistics
>just your normie Intel/nvidia fanboy wanting to fit in somewhere

>>723072085
>>723072167

i agree with him, i7 is a waste of money on PCs, it is WAYY more imperative for laptops where the difference in clock speeds and thermothrottling is actually staggering

t. i5-4570K + GTX 1060 representing

>>723072210
Unless you are running Linux, if you are stick with NVIDIA gpu if you want to use graphics heavy games. The AMD open source drivers work but are substantially slower than a Windows machine running the same hardware.

>>723072106
Too much power use / inefficient, too much heat, bad fans that die quickly, poor slot space design consideration relative to other components, and occasionally, mismatched memory timings

>>723072135
+1

>>723072230
Doesn't matter as I declined store coverage because the MB had a 5 year warranty. And I was under the impression at the time that ASUS was a good company. After that bullshit over the scratch, fucked if I'm ever going to buy ASUS again. If it was a scratch on the board itself, then sure. But on a metal housing case for the audio, and calling that board damage...lol.

>>723065055
dont buy fx now when amd is releasing new set of cpu:s and they supposed to be way better.

>>723072312
Oh fuck, sorry, I quoted the wrong person.

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>>723065055
Just buy a laptop with an integrated card, faggot.

>>723072085
Hypertheading is not a waste of money.
AMD makes the worst drivers available.

>>723071903
it might be a entertaining channel but they fuck up their methodology constantly when they test shit

recently they did a review on a cooler that is meant for tdp of 70w on a 95w cpu...

>>723065055
AMD is releasing its best CPU (compared to intel), this spring. They are also releasing Vega GPU. Perhaps the biggest single generation improvement in the past 10 years. So wait you dumb duck.

>>723065661
>Intel > AMD
not for gaming. it's irrelevant.

just get whatever with an unlocked chipset and then a good fan so you can o/c. literally doesn't matter if all you do is game. run that shit hot as hell also since most chipsets can be run O/Ced and last 3 years easy.

>>723072474
That's bad service for sure.

>>723072608
They will pair this new 'best CPU' with incredibly crappy pre-NT6 drivers, circa 2001. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. It does not matter how fast the CPU is if the system is constantly blue screening on IRQ errors.

>>723072608
And could always do better they just didn't want to. They made and sold their niches

The main reason I will never get an AMD CPU is because of my bosses computer at work. It has an AMD and he complained to IT that it sounded like a vacuum cleaner.

Their solution? They removed one of the panels from the case to allow for better air flow. True, this may just mean that IT at my job are a bunch of cheap lazy bastards, but yeah.

As for AMD GPUs, I won't touch them for a whole different reason.

>>723068719
AMD is not inherently inferior; they simply skip driver testing for automated mass-deployment scenarios, because it saves money. Intel does not skip this crucial piece of quality control.

>>723072827
You're strawmanning now.

>>723072322
No fucking clue where that guy got 99% on Intel, but they do have (as of Q2 2016) 88.4% of the CPU market share.

For nVidia Q1 2016 they had 77.2% of the market share.

It's hard to say what AMD's next line of GPU's / CPU's will do to the market share. But I doubt it will be much of a worry for Intel / nVidia.

>>723073063
why does this set your standards? IT was just making your boss not bitch.

>>723073149
.....what

>>723073149
Ok. Over the last 20 years, I would estimate that I have installed Microsoft WIndows 50,000 times. During this time, I have seen hundreds of AMD/ATI blue screens, and 3 Intel/NVidia. What are your counts?

>>723072608
"AMD is releasing..."

If that the running theme of AMD fags? Every fucking time a new GPU / CPU comes out, or is talked about it's always "AMD is releasing the card that is going to kill nVidia, the chip that is going to compete with Intel... and it ALWAYS falls short. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

And yet every time a new chip a new card comes out it's the same shit "AMD is releasing..."

Switched recently to a 6700K, shit's amazing about GPUS, I've got a 390 and no problem playing practically everything I want over 60 fps

>>723065055
Go intel now or wait for zen. An I5 is better than a vishera 8 core.

>>723072587
This. My Arch Linux computer with my 8 core rips DVDs like fucking lightening. Amazing. Alot of software has not been designed to hyperthread well. It's getting better.

>>723065055
>amd GPU
>amd CPU
Nope.

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>>723073389

>overbuying on your cpu and jewing on the GPU

you deserve to be gassed

>>723073389
tfw I was running games on high with my OC'd 6700k and no GPU
AMD fags will never recover

>>723073274
Because I don't believe someone should have to go to such extreme means just to have a non-overclocked CPU not run so hot. But I'm just biased that way.

>>723073538
Bullshit. You did no such thing with integrated graphics.

>>723065055
DO NOT BUY A PC NOW
Might as well WAIT a month or two for Ryzen and vega
They could be shit... but you'll kick yourself if they turn out to be great

>>723073675
deal with it fag
you could always get a real job and try it out yourself.

>>723072394

>Unless you are running Linux

well of course you wouldnt buy a GTX then because what kind of retard builds a gaming pc with linux? even poos know how to get a clean image of win 7 for free on their devices

>>723073746
How's your playthrough of Serious Sam 3 going?

>>723072085
Agreed. I have an i5 4670-K and a GTX 1070, the only time I have ever seen any bottleneck occur is on a benchmark CPU test deliberately designed to bring the fucker to its knees.

If your primary concern is 3D Mark leaderboards, get an i7. If you want to play games get an i5.

>>723073387
AMD is just trying to relive the glory days when the Athlon was more powerful than the Pentium.

In the end AMD is just a tool of Intel/nVidia to keep from being investigated for being a monopoly.

>>723073830
you mean Arma 3 at decent fps? I never said I was getting 100 fps on ultra settings

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>>723073746
I own my own house, faggot. I was playing fallout on a Pentium 200 mx before you were even born. You might think you can lie to people, but you're just a faggot.

What, you allot it 8 gb of your system memory, which isn't optimized for that use, and you really expect someone to believe you got some shitbox to play anything on high unless it was GTA 4 or some shit.

>>723073800
I game plenty on Linux but you are right it was never meant to be a "gaming rig". I do lots of stuff for prototyping and for my wife's business. I also have a legit secure computer. When people grow up I feel that most migrate to gaming on a console more and the PC gets less love and more work.

>>723073979
Sure bud.

>>723072210
Not even sure it makes much difference for general 3d modelling. I have to use Autodesk Revit for my course and I haven't encountered any issues using an i5.

>>723074035
>unverifiable anecdote
>"You might think you can lie...."
nice meme friendo ;^)

>>723074057

>the PC gets less love and more work.

or you could just get a copy of win 7 pro and do both???? if you're too retarded to avoid viruses just follow these 3 simple steps:

1. ublock origin for firefox
2. malwarebytes antimalware
3. revo uninstaller pro

>>723073538
Nah, I didn't buy it for the integrated graphics, maybe games from some years ago but current ones no way.

I've tried it out myself, it's barely playable in most current games.

Still love the CPU though

>>723073926
>keep from being investigated for being a monopoly.

Which is good, I'm already going to be paying out the ass for a 1080ti when it finally fucking drops. With a monopoly god only knows how much more they'd charge.

>>723073163
They aren't trying to make them worry, people like that guy are always going to fanboy it even if amds top gen stomps both of them to the ground
>>723073979
I have an i5 and a 480 8g I can play a3 at 90-100fps no problem?

>>723074244
me neither, I just had everything except my GPU and was trying out games

>>723073979
No, but you said it was on high, not ultra. Liar. What a fag, going into a thread they know nothing about what is being talked about, and turn out to be the dumbest faggot ever, you're not trolling, you're back peddling. You don't know shit about PCs. Why wouldn't you play on high for better fps? You like jerky glitchy shit?

>>723074334
I wouldn't say it's fanboy'ing Intel / nVidia. But more of playing it safe. AMD's gpu department has been losing money for years now. nVidia hasn't, so they're not exactly running the risk of going under.

AMD goes under, not gonna effect the CPU's, but no longer getting driver updates for the GPU's would be a problem.

>>723074224
I could do this for sure and have install plenty of images for security and pentesting reasons. But ultimately I don't play many titles from Triple-A companies anyway and am more interested in playing couch co-op games with the family at this point. If I had a lot more alone free time that is exactly the route I would go. But responsibilities man

>>723074448
god damn you're salty. I never back peddled. It wasn't even jerky/glitchy. I'm sorry I'm not an AMD fanboy who's oversensitive about CPU specs and fps. It's just an anecdote like your life

>>723074261
>paying out the ass for a 1080ti when it finally fucking drops

What? It's not even out yet.

I bought my GTX 1070 in June, was a much needed upgrade for a GTX 770. Everyone kept bitching and moaning that you'd have to be a fucking idiot to buy it at that price, blah blah blah, wait two months and it will drop. It's now February and the card has actually gone up in price.

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>>723065055
a bunch of children are going to do this
>amd

looks fine tbh.

>>723074629

right on man, my perspective is coming to you from a selfish unloveable loner. if you wanna play games with your family on the couch then consoles are definitely better.. dont listen to those pcmasterrace cringe wizards who are selling you the idea of steam machines either

>>723074224
Oh I meant work as in being productive. I have never had malware or a virus on my computer. Hi do you have clams can set up as a Cron job periodically just Ensure I don't infect any Windows users I share with when I pirate media

>>723069811
>The benefits of Intel are only really seen when it comes to multimedia creation.

More accuratley.

The benefits of AMD are only really that you won't notice a HUGE difference in performance when you are playing games that rely primarily on the GPU and not the CPU.


>>723072616

Just don't be one of these guys who winds up spending the money he could have used to just buy a better designed chip on cooling so he can overclock the shit out of his value AMD CPU to get it on par with the stock Intel chip.
You're defeating the whole purpose of buying an AMD CPU in the first place, which is best bang for YOUR BUDGET, not best bang.


I have an 8350 and a 4790k and the difference is very noticeable every time the CPU has to actually work at something regardless of whether it's a game using the CPU, unzipping an archive or encoding something.
Hopefully Ryzen will get AMD back into serious CPU competition and end their years of inferior architecture and "MOAR CORES" memes.

>>723074723
Yeah it keeps being delayed for some fucking reason. By the time it comes out they'll probably be releasing the 1100 series line... lol.

>>723074594
You've got to take a few ls before you get a w.
They will always make cards no matter how much people think they are losing.

>>723074772
Only games like Minecraft rely on the CPU, almost every real game doesn't really pull much from the CPU, the GPU and RAM handle the brunt of it.

>>723074594
if you made the decision to buy nvidia because you think amd is going under you are one stupid motherfucker.

>>723074818
The ti isn't being delayed lol it's normally released every 1 1/2 - 2 years. 1080 has been out for what a year?

>>723073661
>everyone who isn't retarded can still notice eachother. jokes on you fag

>AMD processor

You dun goofed, Kiddo.

>>723073665
very non extreme. done because your boss is a whiner....not because its hot.

>>723075067
they work perfectly fine. what the hell is wrong with kids these days. I wish they would just stick to console wars.

>>723074826
Loss of 120 million in 2016 (up to Q3)
Loss of 197 million in 2015
Loss of 184 million in 2014
Loss of 174 million in 2013.

How the FUCK are they still around?

>>723075191
You have to realize that they are in college to be it permawizards so they think everything they say about computers holds water without there being anything to hold the water.

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>>723074975
The TI ususally comes out 6 months after. Not a year.

The delay has been happening only since the 980, the TI of which was delayed by a few months. The delay for the 1080 ti is now longer than the delay for the 980ti.

>>723073063
The the computers at my work sound like shit. Due to the nature of my job they're on 24/7 365 days a year, cannot be turned off. I got sick of it and opened the computer only to find that the thermal paste had melted and the CPU fan was hanging on by one screw only.

This was an Intel i5 crammed into a tiny Dell case. It doesn't fucking matter what CPU it is, overused office computers with cheap horrible cases are liable to get fucked up.

>>723075302
>11 billion dollar company
>a few million in losses
It's like getting stung by a bee, yea it hurt but you'll forget it even happened tomorrow

>>723075471
Not entirely sure where you got this information

>>723074951
See
>>723075302
It's called a sinking ship. Their GPU department is worth less NOW than it was when they bought it in 2006. They got it for 5.6 Billion (Adjusted for Inflation) Their current GPU department is valued at 1.5 Billion.

I have an AMD build and I regret it. There are niggers with 6 gen old Intel chips that still play fine but AMD seems to be useless after two years, three max.

>>723075398
Fucking type you spastic monkey, I can't be arsed deciphering your horrific handwriting.

>>723075769
what cpu do you have?

>>723075572
Different departments dude. The CPU department is making money. The GPU department hasn't made money in years now. And loses hundreds of millions each year. As a publicly traded company, that's not going to make investors happy that part of the company is basically infected.

>>723066885
>Wait for the AMD Zen
>Waiting years

Fuck this.

>>723075904
ya thats why its one of the fastest rising stocks on the market right now.

>>723075651
Since for fucking always (or 8 years) I've bought a new TI every year for the last 8 years. And it's always been 6 months after the non-ti versions came out. With the exception of the 980ti which was longer. And now the 1080 which is longer still.

>>723066357
You're fucking dreaming mate, go look at all the benchmarks, Intel blows AMD out of the water with ease. Had this exact AMD processor some years back on one system and it was dogshit compared to the system I built with an I7 4790k. Peasant tier CPUs

>>723076182
its because nvidia is running out of space on their
cards. you can only jam so much into a limited amount of space.

>>723076245
>could outperform
>could

>>723076114
And that doesn't change the fact that EVERY. FUCKING. YEAR. The GPU department loses almost 200 million dollars. It is currently worth 1/3rd what they fucking paid for it when they bought ATI.

It's only a matter of time before they cut their loses and fucking drop the division that's losing them money EVERY. FUCKING. YEAR.

>>723076287
Moore's law. In 2 years, those same components will be 50% smaller; the same sized ones will be twice as powerful.

>>723076287
No, with the 980ti it had something to do with fault batches of chips setting the production line back. Not sure why the delay in the 1080ti, maybe that one is because too much shit.

>>723076368

hey bud chill down ,are you shorting AMD or something..

>>723076443
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/02/moores-law-really-is-dead-this-time/

>>723076638
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/

>>723076443
>2017
>thinking Moore's law is still valid

>>723076944
Intel, MIT, CNET Tech, The Economist Tech all saying the same fucking thing you tard. It's dead in some area, dying in others, and will be dead by 2021 in all the other tech fields.

>>723077267
I forgot AMD, nVidia, NASA, DARPA, and on and fucking on.

>>723065055
>AMD processor
Man I have a phenom II x6 1090T and I think it was the last good processor amd made. Damn thing has been a total champ, but I wouldn't touch those shitty ass processors with a pole.

What the fuck I got banned for like 5 minutes for banned text for that shit. What the fuck is going on?