What we need is a system of government where the people vote

>>722644789
ya know it's funny cause I've been thinking the same thing lately too

>>722644789
Great idea man. *hits joint*

>>722645648
Yeah cause democracy is a crazy idea

>>722644789
What we need is to just shut down voting stations in rural areas. Keep the uneducated riff raff from voting.

>>722644789
Its called Pure Democracy, it wouldnt work as people would be voting on every little thing, then again we are in the era a smart phones, an app could help but who polices that?

Gaddafi tried to install a form of government this way before he became a Corrupt tyrant

>>722644789
We sorta had that for the last 8 years, but now I guess it's time to start counting the body bags again since we have a republican in office.

>>722644789
>people vote for policies
Unfortunately, some policies are best decided by experts. If multiple experts come up with a few different policy options for the same issue, then people are going to vote for the most convincing expert...

>>722646117
People in Libya had free electricity. Don't beleive the propaganda - Gaddafi was a good leader and a stabilizing force in the middle-east.

>>722646204
That's not true at all. It's never been true of America. Politicians think they're better than regular people. All of them think that, that's why they run for office in the first place.

>>722646438
Yeah I cant work out if he was good or bad, I have noticed the media colludes this a bit

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The left doesn't get to say that after firing the opening shots of the identity war. You don't get to take it back, you aren't forgiven, your violence won't be forgotten anytime soon either.

Enjoy your populist ultra-bully, we elected him just for you. How do you like white men, now? You having fun, bitch?

>>722646612
Some people are better than others. There's no shame in admitting that some people are trash. Take any rural county.

>>722646017
Democracy is a blanket term to cover up the true government policies of the west and its called Capitalism, Cash rules everything

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Just make acid legal already, it would solve a lot.

>>722644789
This can be a problem. Much of the voting crowd doesn't know shit about politics. They've known that for centuries. That's why it doesn't happen now. The better choice is to vote for people that will hopefully follow through with the plans that they set out for them in the elections

>>722644789
ok, good, whatever...
but one thing.
WHY THE FUCK YOU PAINTED THE DOG?????

Direct democracy won't work in a nation of over 300 million people. But clearly representative democracy isn't working either. That's why we need to use SORTITION. Every American 18 and up gets their name put into a pot, and we draw names out until all the positions of government are filled. If you're too mentally incompetent to serve a term, you and your caretaker have to convince a federal judge to let you off the hook. Otherwise, you serve your term.

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>>722646612
>he thinks he's right and I'm wrong but that's not true cause I'm right and he's wrong.

The post 2001+16theyearofourlord

People are easily misled by more intelligent people, it's a bad idea. I'm starting to lose faith in more democratic systems by the day.

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>>722647271
DIE!!!!!

>>722647395
>I don't know how acid works

>>722644789
>people vote for policies, instead of personalities

People are getting emotional value from politics nowadays and instead of political value. Sounds like a huge deficit in emotional value in the rest of their lives.

That's a hard thing to fix.

>>722646117
It doesn't work because tyranny of the majority.

Everyone votes for more spending on them and no taxes for them, so the government ends up needing to pull money out of thin air.

>>722647473
>I don't get the joke

>I've never had purple microdot

>>722649135
You don't have full on hallucinations of pink elephants and dragons on LSD. That's what cartoons and movies have led you to believe.

>>722649438
Yes you can, but you need stronger acid or PCP. They are momentary, but you do see things. I've never seen mythical creatures, but have seen other people who really weren't there for brief periods.

>>722649919
um no.

you've never done acid.

>>722644789
>What we need is a system of government—
Already going the wrong direction mate

>>722649979
Hey you're free to think whatever you want. It makes no difference to me one way or the other.

>>722649919
Then you have bigger fucking problems chief. Acid does not make you flat out hallucinate people that aren't there. Hallucinations aren't even the most dramatic part about tripping

>>722650059
Moron detected, what's your alternative

>>722644789

Nyan dog.

>>722644789
It must hurt to be so stupid, comrade.

>>722646743
yeahnotreallythough

>>722646677
dude, the media says Pewdiepie is a fucking Nazi, you can't believe them.

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>>722644789
Yea commiefirnia has that with propositions except it becomes a clusterfuck because people don't know shit (accept a law to increase school funding, reject a law to pay more taxes for school funding).

>>722650141
Something along the lines of http://fdrurl.com/PA

>>722644789
?

>>722650424
I'm not clicking your link, just name it.

>>722647387
But the alternatives aren't different, anon. You'd have more intelligent people (not the "best" people) ruling over the less intelligent in any other form of government involving a sizeable state.

At least with regards to forms of government that approach the overarching term known as "Democracy", there's more of a chance you not only end up with intelligent people (moreso people who know how to obtain power and swindle others towards an end), but "the best" people as well.

Granted, no guarantees. But that depends on the population under the leader.

>>722644789
the "utopia" in transistor was like that
it's a good game

>>722650516
If you're so retarded as to be afraid of website links then you aren't worth talking to, ja ne.

>>722650736
You think you have a way of running a modern society without government and you can't even manage to name or even vaguely describe it. I wouldn't be calling anyone else retarded.

>>722650596
I think we should focus more on the restriction of government side, like a super-powered judicial branch than increasing democracy. Don't increase power for the people, decrease the power of and restrict the central state entity from doing horrible things.

>>722646017
pure democracy is pure faggotry

>>722650982
Your "description" is in the link I provided, it is an audio file specifically. I do not feel I can give a better description, or introduction, than that of the original creator, that within the link, so I do not, it has nothing to do with capability, it is a choice.

Resorting to insults without even glancing at the argument presented to you, demanding meaningless and counter-productive replies, and then having the tenacity to pretend you have the high ground. It's not even insulting, just disappointing.

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>>722651877
>claims to have a system that can run a modern society without government
>is incapable of describing it

hmmm

>>722650982
>>722651877
Huh. Well, for the first anon, I think you may be right about the whole ratification and fixing of the "checks and measures" deal when it comes to government. A "good" government at least makes sure that the leader can't dick it up proper, yet keep it running "smoothly".

For the second anon. Maybe it's because of my end, but it isn't playing. 9 hours of audio sure is something though. But I remember looking at Stefan Molyneux. I'm unsure if I really think highly of most of what he says, especially in regards of the world that we will have to approach sooner or later.

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>>722644789
An IQ test should also be mandatory for voters and those to be elected.
>Some people are stupid enough to get it very wrong.
>Pic nonrelated

>>722652702
I don't think too highly of it myself, personally I hate it. But there's nothing I can do, I can't counter the vast majority of what he says in that book, believe me I've looked, and so by the rules I have set I must believe in it, until such a time comes that someone comes up with something better, or at least proves it wrong.

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>>722648089
>Can't they just print more money??!1?

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>>722653887
https://mises.org/library/molyneux-problem
"I also cannot logically argue that it is wrong for some people to murder, but right for other people to murder. Since all human beings share common physical properties and requirements, proposing one rule for one person and the opposite for another is invalid — it is like proposing a physics theory that says that some rocks fall down, while other rocks fall up. Not only is it illogical, it contradicts an observed fact of reality, which is that human beings as a species share common characteristics, and so cannot be subjected to opposing rules". (p. 44, emphasis omitted)

https://anenome.liberty.me/why-stefan-molyneux-is-wrong-about-libertarians/
>see image

>>722654862
I've read all of that previously, it wasn't adequate. I don't know why you quoted from UPB instead of the article, but whatever.

>>722655695
What aspects of the two sources that I have provided, are not adequate?

>>722654862
For instance, in the article there is a paragraph:

If "rape" is a moral good, then "not raping" must be a moral evil — thus it is impossible for two men in the same room to both be moral at the same time, since only one of them can be a rapist at any given moment — and he can only be a rapist if the other man becomes his victim. (p. 66)
—Quote from Stefan

They counter with: "Incredibly, Molyneux takes the rule he is considering to be one that requires people to be continuously engaged in rape. It never occurs to him to take the rule as mandating, "at some time or other, you ought to attempt rape,""

This lacks even a basic understanding of what Stefan said. The rule proposed was "Rape is good." If I were to reverse Stefan's example and make a rule "Rape is bad." then at ALL times you would be required to NOT rape in order to be considered morally good, it cannot be sometimes. Therefore using the original example "Rape is good." It must be at all times that one must rape in order to be considered morally good.

They proposed the rule "at some time or other, you ought to attempt rape" but this is an entirely different moral rule, similar to Pilgrimage requirements in many religions (e.g. "You must travel to the holy city at least once")
Because of the fast prune time of /b/ I cannot explain in any more depth, and this was explained in his book in the first place so I don't know why it was even an argument they used.

>>722655946
Put simply they are bad arguments, it uses faulty logic, I put an example of this here >>722656478