did putin really rigged usa presidential elections? t. european

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Yes
t. russkiy

>>722444801
no

its a red herring thrown out by the democratic party

they put up a ridiculous candidate and want to blame their failure as a party on russia

>>722445631
wikipedia says that specialists from governmental agencies like cia and the like say that putin really rigged elections

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>>722445940
>wikipedia says

>>722445940
and yet they haven't told us how they rigged the elections. considering how liberal most of the intelligence agencies are i wouldn't take them at their word.
but lets say russia did succeed in "rigging" the elections by hacking podesta absurdly poorly defended email account and successfully exposed the clinton campaign of rigging the primaries against sanders, suppose that this information is what cost her the election, which is what clinton herself has said, would it be wrong? clinton blames russia for undermining US elections, when she herself was exposed for undermining them, either way you cut it, democrats are the bad guy here.

and more likely it was an inside leak, which is what wikileaks has stated. wikileaks being the site that posted the information in the first place, and i do believe they're word is more reputable than our government agencies, as wikileaks hasen't been caught lying yet.

No. There was a report done by FBI on Obama's order. It was about Russian propaganda (but even then I think it said it was in Russia so wtf). They supposedly were painting Killary and Obama as devils during the campaign. Google 'Maxine Waters prime minister of Ukraine' for interesting info

>>722445940
the cia also believed a 4chan post from /pol/ saying that trump paid hookers to pee on a bed, going so far as to marking it classified.

>>722445631
>its a red herring thrown out by the democratic party
>they put up a ridiculous candidate
Even if you think Trump is more likable, clearly he was also the more ridiculous of two.

>>722444801
No, he didn't rig it. Almost half of voters cast their ballots for Trump.

Some of them might have been swayed by fake news making its way around facebook, and the Russians were definitely paying to create some of that content, but the American citizenry still had to be dumb enough to fall for it.

The election was rigged by decades of shitty education.

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>>722445631
>Democrats control all the nation's independent and non-partisan intelligence agencies

KYS shill

>>722448036
>almost half
no, he lost by the largest margin of any US president ever.

He was nowhere close to half.

>>722444801
no, he just supported Trump through his media and probably financially as well, like the the Arabs did with Hillary

>>722447197
4chan was not the only source of that information retard

>>722448198
He released stolen email records at strategic intervals while in contact with the Trump campaign, there is ample proof and both sides have admitted it.

It's also illegal as fuck.

>>722448198
why did arabs support hitlary?

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>>722448405
They routinely buy American politicians, and Jeb Bush had already been destroyed by Trump.

Hillary might do business with them, but the Bush family has swapped a great deal of bodily fluids with them (seriously).

>>722448154
137,098,601 total ballots cast
Trump receives 62,985,106 votes, or 45.94%.

> 4% short of half is nowhere close to half
> 63 million people dumb enough to vote for Trump doesn't represent a serious problem with the U.S.A.

>>722448530
what business does she do with them?

>>722448569
>6,000,000 people is close
No, it's not

It is in fact the most embarrassing and overwhelming loss of any sitting politician in history. Trump is already the most hated man in America, deal with it.

>>722444801
Yes. Every U.S. intelligence/law enforcement agency agrees.

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>>722448637
Oil contracts, duh

Keep in mind, these are the people the FBI said were responsible for 9/11 and US citizens are now suing them for it.

>>722448776
it is strange imo that arabs have to lobby to get permission to sell oil to the usa

>>722444801
No.
The Democratic National Convention rigged things in Hillary Clinton's favor during the Primaries. There were a bunch of emails leaked that showed that the DNC was deliberately pushing her rather than having a fair competition between her and Bernie Sanders. Then a DNC staffer who was going to testify against Hillary was murdered. It was ruled a robbery even though he still had his wallet, phone, watch, etc. At the time it was presumed he had been the one to leak the emails, but then everyone just summarily forgot about it and started blaming Russia for no apparent reason.

Since everyone was 98% positive that Hillary was going to win, they assume that the email leak that revealed the DNC's corruption caused a shitload of people to change their minds about voting for Hillary.

So even though the leaked emails were *confirmed* when compared to Podesta's email account, they're acting like the leak was an act of dishonesty and blaming Russia because....
No idea, really.
We know that Putin likes Trump better than Hillary, and apparently that's good enough reason to trumpet the idea that Putin installed Trump, mostly because yelling about that is kind of making everyone forget about the murdered DNC staffer who had access to those emails and was going to bring some sort of charges against Hillary.

Also Julian Assange, the wiki-leaks guy, says he knows where the emails came from and that it wasn't Russia. But no one's paying attention to that because it doesn't fit the "we need to impeach Trump because PUTIN" narrative that the Dems and the media are pushing.

In a few years, everyone will remember that there was a scandal about election fixing but most people won't even know that it started with the DNC trying to rig the primary.

>>722448695
I do hate him. What (You) don't understand or accept is that he won a fair election. The electoral college sucks, but the rules were known in advance. Russia tried to delude people, but their ability to do so was little more than our society's extreme susceptibility to it.

>>722448951
We buy most of our oil from Canda, with Saudia Arabia a distant 2nd.

Basically, we're a huge fucking market and people are desperate to sell to us, so we get to play games with them.

>>722449230
>fair election
no, what Comey and Trump did was illegal, and they will be punished eventually

>>722449104
>The Democratic National Convention rigged things in Hillary Clinton's favor during the Primaries.
This was insurance... she'd have won the primary anyway. Do you really think the U.S.A. was ready for what Bernie was selling?