How to get men into rape play? I been very masochistic all my

sounds like you need a new bf.

timestamp and post a pic of yourself.

we'll someone suitably rough.

>>722185293
I really love my boyfriend...he suits me in every way....this is the only problem

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>>722185126
Most men are inclined to be dominant. Your guy, just isn't man enough. Probably a Hillary supporter.

>>722185377
It's going to become more of a problem. Sooner or later you'll go looking for the fulfillment you want. Don't break his heart--find someone you're more compatible with.

>>722185451
I thought so too...that man are naturally more agressiv/dominant.
but no he isn´t haha

Every time he reaches to touch you, pull or smack his hand away. Every time he tries to kiss you, pull away. And say, "You're too slow." (insert sanic.gif)

This presents a challenge to him. He won't get what he wants, and that puts power in your hands, temporarily. This will frustrate him, and if he buys in, he will at some point reach a break and try to seize power for himself.

It's not a conquest if you give the impression that you 'want' to be conquered.

>>722185650
Uhhh I will try that. thanks

>>722185558
>that man are naturally more agressiv/dominant.
This is a stereotype against men. And not all stereotypes are true. You have to start it slow, ask questions if he will do X or Y for you. Do you use toys in the bedroom? If not definitely start there first

>>722185730
I have some toys. But he is not that interested in them sadly

Newfags forget the rules. They're there for a reason. Tits with timestamp, or gtfo.

>>722185871
my tits have nothing to do with the thread so

>>722185822
Start there before you try this >>722185650. Doing that will only discourage him I can almost guarantee it. Give him verbal confidence boosts each time until he feels secure in doing it and won't hurt you or do something he feels is bad or gets anxiety about.

>>722185126
your fantasies are normal. expecting any form of real advice here is not.

work on it. took me 3 years until my bf started to choke me a little and I'm talking barely putting his fingers around my neck. from there things improved fast. still not as rough as i like it but it is getting there.

>>722185963
yes I think he is scared to actually hurt me..idk

>>722185935
Doesn't matter. You asked for our help. You know the rules.

>>722185935
that be the rules hun.

>>722186034
I hope it will improve...the problem is I know nobody that seems to have the same fantasies as me. everyone is very vanilla around me

>>722186042
Toys and spanking. Get him comfortable with that first. And reassure along the way

>>722186044
A picture of breats you will never see irl anyway is not that great hahaha

>>722185935
There are no women on the internet. You don't get an advantage here. So if you want help assisting in your role as a woman in a relationship, Kek requires you to show your tits with a time stamp and we can assist you.

>>722185126
Post something of yourself, I would like to judge myself if you are a good sub or not

>>722185126
What kind of stuff get you off?

>>722185126
outright tell him

"look, I WANT to be abused and subservant."

>>722185935
Doesn't matter of your tits are not the subject. Lol. You must be new here.

test

>>722186148
sound crap. sorry for you.

>>722185935

Which means we have to assume you're a dude trying to troll people. Bye.

>>722186376
no. you must be new here little kid.
Tits rule apply when identifying as a girl gives any form of advantage. it does not apply in this thread and tits will not be posted
it's like the age average is sinking every time i come back to this shit board

I'm going to take the bait and assume OP is in fact a woman into rough stuff, not some sad, lonely virgin basement-dwelling guy.

is it normal? Its not average, but its not uncommon. I know a lot of women in the S&M scene, I've dated a few who are into it, one in particular who wanted way harder than the sort of stuff I did to her, who I was poly with and would come back with bruises you would not believe. (and worse. ended it with her after she was branded, because it wasnt entirely consensual, certainly wasnt safe or sane.)
I've known girls who only got off on being strangled, beaten till bruised, one who utterly loved having her tits tortured with needles through them, one who liked to be fisted till she couldn't walk, one who loved being pissed over, one who wanted to be stripped, chained to a kitchen table leg, and fed from a dog bowl, and left in a cage overnight. Funny bit is almost all of them were well-paid professionals in their normal jobs.

so, normal? pretty much. Tips? Communicate. learn to talk. express how much things mean to you, and you're happy with it. tell him you love it like that, ask him to fuck harder, tell him you love him while he's doing so, say yes, that's good, all that sort of stuff. encourage him to do so.

If that doesnt work, honestly, you need to accept that you may just not be compatible. there are plenty of places on the internet - like fetlife - where you can start to explore that more, and find doms who are into exactly the stuff you are. But above all, be honest with your current partner. Dont be the shitty cunt who does it behind his back.

>>722186034
>>722185126

>basement dwelling virgins pretend to be women on the internet.

>>722186301
being humiliated, rape play, being pissed on, deepthoating, I have a lot of kidnap fantasies also race play(I am asian).....

>>722185126
because men are told over and over, in many conscious and subconscious messages, that they should NEVER be dominant, or act dominant towards a woman in a modern society. Why? Because they risk too much if they do that.

The girl changing her mind and turning her fantasy into victimhood (on a whim because she's not happy about something)

Somebody else catching a glimpse of the dominance and thinking that the girl is in danger and whiteknighting in response.

Et caetera.

>>722186547
you posted it. well done!
we are so proud of you!
now you can go back to your trap/rekt/ whatever the fuck thread that makes you feel cool and self fulfilled on the internet

>>722186717

>triggered

>>722186717
this is obviously a trap thread since real women don't like rape, just like society has taught them.

>>722186547
I am a girl and making something like that up would be sad indeed hahaha. I don´t see how it would be useful since I am only talking about my boyfriend and I....

>>722186803
yes. byt retarded kids as yourself every single time.

>>722185126

If none of these methods work and it is simply that he can't be dominant or assertive enough to do it for you sexually, but you love him and don't want to go without him, put it to him that the only way forward is for him to be your "emotional" or "non-sexual" boyfriend, and take a dominant lover who fulfills your needs (this will probably mean your bf won't fuck you any more because a real dominant man wouldn't share you, but you would be satisfied)

>>722186855
I was abused as a child so maybe tht is why I like it idk

>>722186591
Nice! My girl has the same fantasies. If she wants me to be rougher on her, she teases and plays on my emotions untill I hurt her the way she wants. Win win for everybody!

>>722186591
What kind of kinky things did you do already? My girl loves being choked till she passes out:)

>>722186927
He would kill himself if I ever fuck someone else. He is very emotional I´d say

>>722185126
Log into Second Life and free your fantasies. There's a thriving BDSM scene in there.
Lot's of princesses and wannabes, sure, but also lots of serious mean dominant dudes and real submissive girls.

>>722187037
The last man I had sex with fucked me in his car. Choked me, pulled my hair and told me to de a lot. after that he made me walk around with his cum on my face

>>722186931
Sad to read that. I was taking a jab at modern feminism that would consider what you're asking, even if concensual, as rape, and lynch your boyfriend for that.

I love watching more dominant stuff, but I have trouble acting it out. On my ex I practiced spanking, choking, and hair pulling/grabbing. Tried orgasm denial and ruined orgasms (for her) a couple of times but that didn't work so well - she was just frustrated and didn't want to fuck anymore ... lel.

>>722187148
My partner would see that as cheating

>>722186937
unless as a guy I hate being manipulated emotionally.

or if she goes a little too far/mean/uncalled for and snaps me out of the mood

>>722187224
I hate feminists. They make my kinks look like crime ugh

>>722186937
>>722187037
My girl is into this too, first time I really got into it was once when she had me choke her out while I was fingering her, opened my eyes to how hot it could be. Maybe try that op?

>>722187388
choking sounds like a good start

>>722186254
like what?

>>722187249
Well then...
There are a lot of submissive wives cheating on their vanilla husbands in there. They are having a blast.
It would give you a lot of information and direction about what you like and need.

>>722187467
yeah not too bad. It'll show him he isn't actually hurting you and he can stop when he wants etc etc

>>722187592
that is true....

>>722187249
>kek'd

>>722187644
I think cheating is what gives them the thrill.

>>722187592
>>722187644

Meet me in SL at Bell Gardens (101, 22, 22)

>>722185126
Find a new boyfriend. Finding a guy who is willing to give you what you want shouldn't be hard.

>>722185126
Just cuff and gag yourself and present your ass to him when he comes to bed.

>>722185126
Maybe he'd be into cucking and you could fuck someone else?

>>722187954
Fuck that. Meet me in Tampa at Bush Gardens. I'll be the guy on top of the elehNt with my pants around my ankles...y'know, because I don't want to waste any time.

>>722185126
You need to drop this guy. He's too nice to drop you, so you need to do it.
This is the situation that I'm in. I'm not a sadist. My gf needs to be beat and choked and roped to get off. She told me from the start and I wanted to give it a try but I just don't get off to it.

>>722187972
he likes anal so that could work....but he would gently penetrate me hahahha

>>722187584
Post your most sexy underwear. Or how about a nice slave pose; on your knees, legs a little spread, hands in your neck and an open mouth so we all can see your fuckhole:)

>>722188086
I don´t want to loose him since I really love him and his character

>>722188180
gagged and cuffed? I think he'd be a little rougher than usual. Go from there. I know it would work on me, and I am similar to your bf - always fearing to hurt if I go too far.

>>722187388
You opened her eyes while she was out? ,That's it? Next time, stuff your dick in her ass, she probably will open her eyes all the way by herself;)

>>722188335
oh I hope he will be. Maybe try that when he comes home

>>722187315
Yeah, that is a thin line

>>722187375
They don't make anything happen if you don't accept the shame. I come all over my wife's face, fuck her ass while calling her a whore, etc. and we have a very loving marriage. If a feminist does not want a guy to treat her like this, it is very easy to prevent that, since there's no question that it constitutes a crime. But if you and your partner have talked about your desires and she has told you where her boundaries are, then there is no reason you shouldn't have porn-style sex within those boundaries as much as possible,

>>722188262
The thirst detector is off the charts!

>>722188603
yep very sad

I am amazed you newfags and OP have never heard of fetlife.com . OP, go to fetlife.com and both you and him make accounts there. He gets to compete with other men who are into the stuff you're into, and you get to get better / more informed tips on your particular kink.

Also if you eventually break up over not being fulfilled sexually [sorry OP, it's only a matter of time unless he changes, and 90% of people never change], you'll already have some kinkier friends and prospects for someone that is into what you're into. It's like kink facebook.

In addition, to make him feel safer about hurting a woman and not going to jail about it, get a sex consent app, or template for a sex contract proving that you both consented to rape play. Try tuckermax.com for that.

Hope this helps OP, best of luck.

-nerdgasm91 on fetlife.com

>>722188294
Then you have to make a choice, sweetheart. All relationships involve compromise. Do you *need* to be treated like a slut? Or is it something you just *want*? How happy are you with boyfriend? Do you feel that you would be happier with a guy who gave you exactly what you wanted sexually? Those are the questions you should be asking, not "Do I love him?" and "How do I prevent myself from hurting him?" If you are with him and your heart's not in it, you are hurting him plenty.

>>722188180
So you did anal aswell? Did you fucked with a girl? I would like to know more details, fappin and you know it slut! Do you get off knowing we are all fapping at your stories?

>>722186536
Bravo! This is great advice. Take note.

>>722185126
Ha... Your BF doesn't like being rough because he couldn't last long enough. He needs to desensitize or something

I don't even want to begin to know the mental issues behind that....jesus. What a fucking god damn headcase whore.

My advice is go to your local ghetto and walk around in skimpy clothing. You'll certainly get what you want, but be careful what you wish for bitch.

>>722186148
They probably do, but don't say it in public. Your fantasies are extremely common.

>>722185126
>>722185377
Holy shit you sound exactly like my girlfriend and me. She sort of got me into it by easing me into it. Start little, and work up. Make sure you tell him how good it makes you feel and how you love it when he dominates you. Start with some little spanks just playing around, or him giving you directions, and just work up slowly from there once he gets comfortable with it.

>>722187592
Grentext?

>>722185126
this guy cut people's selfie sticks jajaja
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs-juT5QSzU

>>722185126
Op, do you dress up for him? What do you wear? Are you more into slutty or submissive like a slave? Maybe you could tease him by writing dirty stuff on your body and send him a pic;)

>>722188845
I am bi so yeah had 3 gf. I don´t care if lonely boys fap to me hahahaha

>>722189064
hahahahha no he takes like an hour to cum. It is very hard for me cause vanilla ex is boring for me and he takes so long

>>722186856
Exactly what a trap would say.

>>722186536
Except for this guy. Didn't read entire thread before later fetlife post -nerdgasm91

>>722189825
why tho.You never talked to a female I guess. We are using 4chan too...

>>722189358
Sorry, what?

>>722189735
Nice, maybe you could post one of your exgf;) please support the FAP:)

>>722185126
>>>722189064
>hahahahha no he takes like an hour to cum. It is very hard for me cause vanilla ex is boring for me and he takes so long

If this is true without inner lubricated condom/ condom, then he likely has Low T. I had that problem, and couldn't get off in a reasonable amount of time even with the small continuous lotus fleshlight (better than any woman will ever feel, raised my expectations WAY too high for my first sexual partner.). Anyway have him get a blood panel done that checks for low testosterone.

>>722190168
Yup I hate one of them anyway.

>>722190425
He is circumcised maybe that is why

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>>722190168
She is now a drugged up bitch

>>722188835
YES.

>>722190689
She loves posting this shit online hahaha

>>722185126
>>>722190425
>He is circumcised maybe that is why

Nope, as a person who is partially circumcised, I assure you - circumcision increases friction and helps you get off faster.

>>722190988
then idk why. He just lasts long... He does not like it tho. obviously he wants to cum

>>722185126
Find a new boyfriend. Seriously.

If he's not naturally dominant you will never be sexually fulfilled. I have seen it a thousand times. One of two things will happen:

1) You'll simply not have sex at all and you will end up resenting each other because you're both unhappy and loyalty will get the better of you.

2) One of you (or both of you) will end up cheating and either through some kind of pervy agreement (threesome with a friend/'open relationship'/some other bullshit) the other will find out then you'll have a downward spiral of breakup.

2b) You go full poly because "he wants you to be happy" then you just each meet someone else and break up anyway only you end up hating each other because someone will violate the agreement or you will fuck a guy and he won't and he'll resent you or vice versa.

>>722190638
Nice! Maybe some nudes for us?

>>722191127
Wow, your own insecurities really came across in that post. I mean, I know you feel you don't deserve anyone because you can never sexually satisfy anyone, but not every man is the same as you.

>>722190638
What is she using? Did you ever used drugs?

>>722191127
>I have seen it a thousand times.
In your own relationships? Lol.

>>722188783
fetlife is literal shit.

It is all the worst things about facebook on a black background. This website is literally ONLY good for fap material.

If you want to actually MEET someone, use OKC or ugh...collarspace. As much of a fucking blistering asshole as collarspace is it actually works.

>>722185126
Op, do you wear something slutty for you bf? You shave all the right places? Ever had BDSM with another girl?

>>722191297
Yes I did. I stopped a year ago.
She is also a self harm whore like used to be.
I guess I just changed and she didn´t. We used to go to raves together. She smokes weed all the time and uses E, LSD and tried Pep

>>722185126
wear more skirts around him, no underwear, and be a tease. When he starts touching you, and he will (unless you're fat/ugly) deny him, then tease him again. Do this over and over until his desire exceeds his willpower. Also, wear tight shirts without a bra.

>>722191486
I don´t shave I get waxed cause I dance ballet(a must in the company cause of the trikots) and I only wear what I personally like ....idk

>>722191127
>>722191254
>>722191326
I'm not even this dude, I'm in a happy BDSM relationship, but one of our submissive friends is in a relationship with someone that's not dominant and has a low sex drive and this is pretty much exactly what's happening; they agreed that she could do things with someone she knew well, and she's gotten to the point where she's started waiting for him to go to sleep so she can talk to doms she's met online for hours.

>>722191551
I can try that... I have a more vintage inspired style so I have too work on sexyness maybe

>>722191326
No. I've been a member of the local kink community for a long time. I have watched A LOT of relationships fail for various reasons. Kinky people are generally...damaged.

I have always likened the kink community to a bunch of vampires. You know how when you watch a vampire movie and the lead character is cool and suave and you're like "I wanna be that guy!" but then later there's a scene where he's in some dungeon with like 50 other vampires and they all go crazy and kill each other? It's basically that.

Kinky people do not play well with others. The chicks are pretty catty and jealous, everyone is fucking or has fucked everyone else, there's way too much testosterone and estrogen, everyone has some kind of fucking bullshit going on...."I need a job" "muh cat" "you don't know my struggle!"

Watching a married couple come swing and pick up a 9/10 20 year old, bi girl for a threesome and just KNOWING that is the moment that is going to end their marriage....seen it plenty.

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>>722185126
I totaly get you OP, I am exactly like you and have been in a relationship like yours half a year ago. You can never change him, he is a pussy and will die one. You can ask him and beg him to be rougher and rapier but, even if he does it he will never enjoy it.

What happened to me is that I found another man. One that is successful, tall, good looking and alpha. Only a guy like that can give you what you need.

If you want a guy like this you need to work on yourself, lose weight and get a cute haircut and start wearing cute clothes. If your personality is bitchy, rude, controlling or manipulative you also need to change that. The best way to find a man you need is on the internet on various sites for that, if you want to stay on 4chan you have to go on /soc/.

No woman can truly love a beta male, you and I know it's true. You don't see him as a real man, so you will have to leave him once you find a better catch, and it will be easy for you, trust me. Good luck.

>>722191629
Offcourse, but you know what we mean; clothes that guys get instant boner, short skirts, thongs, laced up lingerie, no lingerie. You know what we like;)

>>722191758
My boyfriend is very rich and succesful though which is very attractive in my eyes

>>722191826
oh he really does not care about lingerie

>>722185126
WHATS WRONG WITH YOU CUNTS??!!

1st YOU ACCUSE ANYONE OF RAPE FOR NO SERIOUS REASONS
FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS

THEN ALL OF YOU HAVE THESE RAPE FANTASIES

YOU CUNTS YOUR MINDS ARE ALL SHITTY FUCKED UP

>>722191650
Exactly. If they're married, I give then a max of 1 year before they start fighting, probably another year and it's completely over. If they're not married, cut that in half.

The guy will probably start looking for someone on the side soon in a few months. Once they catch each other the fireworks will start.

>>722191962
what does he care about?

>>722185126
>>>722190988
>then idk why. He just lasts long... He does not like it tho. obviously he wants to cum


I'm not joking about the Low T. He might have a thyroid issue, prolactinemia, hypogonadism, or a prolactinoma (tiny tumor on his thyroid). Been through this. Practically lived at the Dr.'s office. Couldn't ejaculate without hours of masturbating, and after that (because being partially circumcised, I can usually do it dry w/o lube) I was hurting myself. Tried A LOT of stuff to get off. It just doesn't happen without testosterone. That's how men are built.

Now I get a monthly testosterone injection, if I'm low and it's smooth sailing.

>>722191736
Posture is important too, when you're relaxing, stick your ass up so he's got a target. He'll crave sex in seconds.

>>722185126
Don't manipulate people into doing shit they don't want to?

>>722185126
Gotta tell him. If you exoect him to guess at it it'll never happen.

>>722191990
Not all females are femnazis

>>722191901
Doesn't mean he's dominant.

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>>722191901
oh, this is tough then, maybe you should stay with him then and just deal with having no orgasms.

Are you thinking about marriage? Can you describe your looks for me?

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>>722191990
feminists accuse you of rape when you sex them, anti-feminists wanna get rough sex. this is life.

>>722185126
Didn't read the thread, sorry. Possibly my answer is redundant. If so, please excuse that.
I live BDSM in a 24/7 relationship for many years now, and have always had friends enjoying BDSM as well. From my experience, there's two things. For one, people rarely change their "fetishes". It does happen, but it's extremely uncommon. Thus, your BF is probably never going to be able to fullfil your fantasies in the classical way.
BUT - that doesn't mean you have to dump him and find someone else. The first step has to be to address the issue together. You have to articulate what you need. You'll never be truly happy if you don't. Then, find a solution.
In the "community" there's many types of possible relationship types. You getting "raped" by someone else doesn't have to be wrong for the two of you. Ask him, what possibilities he sees and how he feels about it.

>>722192199
I am talking about Cunts who tell you to do this to them then when you have done said shit they accuse you of rape

This has happened with my bro

What the hell are we to do?

>>722192125
I do think about marriage. He has a beautiful artistic mind and understands a lot of my mental issues. The only problem is kind my stupid sexual needs.

I have a black long bob. typical modern ballet body(athetic) but I am a bit short. asian white mix. luckily no monolids.

>>722192199
tru

>>722192319
I don´t think it happends that often. I mean real rape also happends. Life is unfaire yup

>>722192275
Yeah I would not break up with him. Just because of my fantasies

>>722192319
This is most likely what OP's problem comes down to. Every guy I know is into the rape fantasy, but playing it out in this day and age is equivalent to becoming a prison bitch. If he is holding back on you OP it's because he doesn't fully trust you.

>>722192125
Uhh Audrey I love her.

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>>722185935
Fucking newfags, tits or gtfo

>>722191736
Have you tried just having a no-dynamics practice session? I wasn't all that dominant and couldn't see myself doing a lot of things before I felt out my girlfriend's limits and got to associate dominating her with the moans and facial expressions she makes.

As long as he has a sex drive, if you can make it sexy for him, he'll probably start to enjoy it and get into it himself - you just might be in the weird position of being a submissive that's instructing and controlling the flow when you're starting out.

>>722192534
>Just because of my fantasies
As I said I don't see a reason to break up with hin… but don't take "just" your fantasies to lightly. I've made the experience that there's much more behind that. Picture the life you want to have, as his loving slaved that's being used and cared for. Picture how happy you'd be in it. Facettes of that happiness are needed in your life - tu truly live happily. The more time you're missing out on them, the stronger the urges to have that (and thus the unhappiness) become.

>>722186514
You're fucking autistic
You admitted you were a woman, and then asked for help.

tits or gtfo

>>722191962
If you want to try to manipulate him into some sad form of topping you you can act a proper submissive.

Ask him permission for everything. Ask him what he wants to eat, if you can do things, go naked and ask what you should wear.

Anticipate his needs. If you think he's horny, you should already be sucking him off. If you think he's hungry, there should be food. If you think he's upset, you should be gone.

Find a comfortable dynamic where you feel submissive to him but he doesn't have to say it. Sit on the floor next to him. Do what he wants, not what you want. Express to him that you desire to be possessed.

Get some toys that you think he would enjoy using on you. Make your willingness to please him known. Make it known what your limits are and that you're a piece of his property to use as he sees fit.

>>722192818
op here
I did not write that.... someone else did

>>722185126
Quit being a faggot and tell him what you want.

Dump your cuck bf or live with what you got, quit wasting our time.

Also, tits or gtfo

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>>722192342
then you are making an elephant out of a bug, he sounds like a perfect man to spend the life together. Don't cheat and deal with it. Fetishes change over the years too.

>>722193035
I hope they change tbh

>>722185126
>>>722188783
>fetlife is literal shit.
>
>It is all the worst things about facebook on a black background. This website is literally ONLY good for fap material.
>
>If you want to actually MEET someone, use OKC or ugh...collarspace. As much of a fucking blistering asshole as collarspace is it actually works.

OKCupid is actual shit. Unless you're poly/looking to cheat or not attractive, the women there get DOZENS of messages a day, because it's a free app. And nobody has the time to read and respond to them all (try 30 emails a day checked at the end of the week when you log in, that's 180+ OKC MESSAGES from strangers trying to get some). You'll never find that diamond in the rough, intelligent, open minded, witty OKC message AND ACTUALLY BOTHER TO READ THE PROFILE OF EACH SENDER, in order to find someone that's into Naruto Shippuden and BSDM like you.

It's like shouting love me in a crowded airport. It doesn't work for committed relationships. Because the sort of person that casts out a hundred lines ISN'T the sort of person most people are looking for. And if you fall in love with someone's profile, and then they don't ever see your message or look at your profile to see how compatible you both are -that's heartbreaking. Until you get so jaded that you just start doing some machiavellian womanizing, and then you just get the first good looking person to fall for you. Not the person who's a better match.

OK Cupid is only good if you know the one you want is on there, and you can find them and compare each other's compatibility in 7 or 8 different Key areas such as sexual behavioral preferences.

Read: OK Cupid is God tier shit.

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>>722191371
You didn't dive deep enough into it to meet friends both online and in person at public group meetings.

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>>722185126
Why didn't you come to the weedman for this, OP?

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>>722185126
>>>722192199
>I am talking about Cunts who tell you to do this to them then when you have done said shit they accuse you of rape
>
>This has happened with my bro
>
>What the hell are we to do?


Not be retarded and have her sign a love contract? Tuckermax.com ...Dave Chappelle did a skit about it.... There are FUCKING APPS and TEMPLATES and SHIT.

>>722192199
>anti-feminists wanna get rough sex
What now?

>>722185126

statistics, a spread sheet maybe, some logical facts. A few beers and a promise.