let me get this straight you fags need your steak cooked, BUT,

>I'm a little girl and scared of my dead cow bleeding a little bit when I cut it into pieces

Why eat a raw steak? That's too much trouble. Go bite into a real cow instead. Saves you the trouble of having to make the steak and doesn't kill the cow.

>>722144565
>bleeding
but it's not blood, because even cow blood tastes of copper. it's just water
i'm not "afraid", it's a question

did you not know that cows are drained of blood when they become meat?

maybe people like both raw and cooked that's why they order it that way

>>722144709

It bleeds either way. Y'know, like a pipe bleeding water.

>>722144489

I know this is bait, but just to cut everyone off, the truth is that at 135 degrees the muscle tissue starts to break down and become super tender, the fat turns liquid, but there's no significant reduction in moisture or destruction of the tissue.

Overcooking a steak turns it into something else, you could just eat a salty bean paste pressed into a steak shape and get the same experience. But a rare steak is just undercooked stringy flesh. Cook your steak sous-vide to 135-140 and then pan sear it for color if you want the perfect steak experience.

...then smother that bitch in A1

SHITTY BAIT IS SHITTY

>>722144489
meat is murder

>>722144489
depends if it's soy or not.

>>722144970
>then smother that bitch in A1
seems like your post is also b8

gayfag here
I eat my steak rare, I order it rare and cook it rare
am I doing it wrong?

>>722145082
Yes, Tasty, nutritious murder.

>>722144970
A-1? Now you've fucking triggered me m8

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>>722144489

Rare fags deserve to be sent to the gallows.

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>>722144970
>sous-vide
>A1
pick one anon

>>722145166
nutrition isn't an argument because you don't need to eat meat, or any animal product, to be healthy

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>>722144489
>tfw blue rare isn't depicted
>mfw no face

Raw meat has to be cooked unless it is eaten immediately.

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>>722145128
>gayfag

>>722145118

true. I forgot to mention the ketchup. You need at least half a bottle of ketchup for a quality steak.

>>722145244
fuck off randy

>>722145241
fuck off

>>722145128
You eat your tubesteak rare, gayanon?

Medium Rare masterrace

>>722145355

I will, and while I'm at it I'll enjoy steak the right way.

>>722144489
1. What the fuck is it to you how I eat steak?

2. Done well steak tastes like shoe leather

3. Read 1 again

>>722145430
Fuck off randy

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>>722145275
>mfw always cook my steaks blue

>>722145457
I care about you wasting your money
wasted is wasted, it doesn't matter how much you make or spend

>>722145247
gtfo my face with that shit and go pet the chickens.

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>>722145555
QUADDDS REEEE

>>722145241
Fuck off

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>>722145655
DUBBBS REEEE

E. Coli.

>>722145655

Go bite into a cow and savor the flavor you absolute wretch of a person.

>>722145639
people always have a problem with vegans forcing their views on others but don't you think you're forcing your views on animals that you kill for unnecessary reasons?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtJcLWeY114

>>722144489
Medium because my medium rare always turns out to be too fucking rare no matter where I go and I can't cook steak just right either

>>722144489
You're forgetting blue rare which most resteraunts refuse to make. Pisses me off people have no taste

>>722145752
to avoid e. coli means not enjoying anything. i also avoid all sex because who knows who has an STD?

cooking the outside layer kills bacteria. the inside has not been exposed to the bacteria, thus doesn't need to be cooked has well out the outside.

leaving the inside uncooked (rare) allows for a juicier steak. most people don't like to eat dry meat. water helps us taste flavors and makes eating overall easier as well.

Can't I just give the cow a back rub and some scratchies?

Later on I'll hit up Burger King and take my meat as it comes.

The true and honest answer is...
bacteria lies on the surface area. it doesn't grow in the middle, it grows on the top or bottom or sides. to kill possible/potential bacteria, that's why steak is heated to 160ish surface and the middle can do what the fuck it wants. if you like steak as I like it, to be safe, it's rare. seared surface can add flavor if done right, and its safe.
if you're a plebeian, you cook it more, until the steak tastes like plain ground hamburger

>>722145901
same but i still love steak

>>722145901
I avoid all sex because I've sworn chastity for my waifu.

>>722146043
>water helps us taste flavors
also warm food, not just meat, tastes better than colder food
frozen food is kinda tasteless, colder food tastes a little stronger

>>722146197
>frozen food is kinda tasteless
have you never heard of ice cream?

>>722145795
What you think is unnecessary might not be in my book or another person's for that matter. I kill animals because I like the taste of their meat. I have canines/cuspids for a reason and it isn't for cracking nuts, that's what molars are for. Canines are for shredding meat. And who gives a fuck about what what a cow or pig thinks?

>>722145166
>Nutritious

>>722146343
I don't think you know what unnecessary means

>>722146360
Nutritious.

>Why does it matter if the internal is raw but the outside is heated to a proper temp?

Brotip: The internal is not raw in mediumcooked meat.
It is cooked but not to an extent where it is done.

Just to get that straight for plebs like you who dont know shit about steaks.

>>722146450
For me to enjoy their meat it's necessary for me to kill them.

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>>722144970
>smother in A1

1. to kill off the bacteria on the outside of the meat
2. to melt the fat in the steak

>steak only tastes good because of the fat
>bacteria is only on the outside

the more you know

>>722144489

What you don't see in a rare steak is the change in texture brought about by the introduction of a very controlled amount of heat. Before the meat actually starts to change color this happens and it improves the entire experience immensely.

>>722146514
> enjoy

> necessary

yeah

>>722144489
>if you like the taste of raw meat, just eat a raw steak.
That's fucking retard logic. Rare is not raw you fuckhead, the the meat still undergoes significant chemical changes dues to the heat that affect the flavor. Well done on the other hand, literally removes all the most vibrant flavors.

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Your chart is wrong. Reduce all of your temperatures by 10 degrees and rest your meat you fucking wanker!

>>722146919
Yes, it is necessary to have some enjoyment in life.

>>722145275
Had a steak blue once, never again, rare is best.

>>722146992
the middle is still raw so wait for your fucking "significant chemical changes" to affect the middle you negroid

>>722144489
Literally try mid rare filet mignon and compare it with truck tires well done. Fuck your bait OP.

Easy to explain, I like my raw steaks warm. I cook them just enough to warm them up.

>>722144489
>if you like the taste of raw meat, just eat a raw steak
Cooking the outside a bit is necessary, gets rid of bacteria and other stuff.
Cooking the inside is optional, since most harmful shit is only on the otside.

>>722147228
not at the expense of animal's well-being and lives

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>>722144489
well done steak is best steak.. but too bad I don't eat red meats. fuck that I dont need no prions.

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>>722144489
You've just been visited by the bitter pedo NEET of /b/. Eternal cringe will come to you unless you comment "pedo" on the linked video. There are no immunities.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HzZInvrXRuA

your bait was successful

you got me

also, you eat your steak like a faggot. enjoy your shoe leather

>>722147659
Cry me a river. If you want to point a finger at someone, point it at the people that doing all the poor animals wrong. Not the people that buy the meat and eat it.

>>722147659
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>722147289
If you like well done so much then why even eat steak, why not just eat a tasteless lump of whatever the fuck vegans eat?

>>722148274
Shit?

>>722148135
the people who actually hurt the animals do it because people like you pay them too. you're both responsible

>>722148321
I don't pay them to hurt animals lefty, I pay them to butcher them and give me meat. Whether they do it cruelly or in a humane way is up to them.

>>722148274
that's my point, you said that the changes of the chemical composition make it better, so why not wait for it to be cooked through so it all changes for your liking?
I like mine rare.

>>722148321
No one pays me to skin dogs, and they don't even taste good.

>>722144970
A1....THE FUCK?

>>722144970
>A1
What the fuck, you trolling little bitch. Pass me the ketchup.

>>722144489
If you're eating a steak well done then you may as well be eating a fucking pork chop you faggot.

>>722148609
North Korea Best Korea!!!

>>722148476
killing = causing unnecessary harm = hurting. there is no way to humanely and unnecessarily kill an animal, it's an oxymoron.

>>722144489
B8

>>722148726
Killing is the act of causing death, and it can be done humanely and without undo suffering.

>>722148852
even if you could perfectly kill an animal without hurting it, which in practice doesn't happen, it would still be wrong to unnecessarily kill an animal

>>722144989
Kek

>>722144489
tits or gtfo

>>722145128
Nah good work I like rare but I don't like it cold so I usually go med rare.

>>722145247
It's the best protien. Don't even say soy to me faggit.

>>722148940
killing is necessary for survival. I use tools therefor I am the superior species. God intended for his creations to use the resource of animals but respectfully, thanking him for each bounty.

>>722148940
Brain death negates any nervous input, there are many ways to achieve brain death.

>>722148940
Right and Wrong / morality, etc are all decided upon by society. And our society is OK with killing for food, there for it's not wrong.

>>722145409
Ya rare- med rare. Really as rare as I can get it but the center still warm.

>>722145555
You shouldn't

>>722145795
I'm not forcing anything on them besides death and digestion to feed my body. They should be honored to become a part of a superior being forever. >>722148274

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>>722144970
A1
good choice

>>722148726
Killing = death = necessary for me to eat them.
You can't do anything in this world without harming something. Don't even try that shit.

But just to bring your high horse hippy bullshit to an end, I'll give you a lesson in logic. According to your previous post...

>the people who actually hurt the animals do it because people like you pay them too. you're both responsible

That's like saying that it's your fault for being born because your dad likes to slam mongoloids.

>>722149120
"best" protein? you apparently already know there are other sources. wouldn't a cruelty-free source be the best one?

>>722149126
humans are superior, that doesn't mean we have the right to kill animals at our mercy

>>722149335
Not for my body.

>>722144858
pipes leak not bleed retard

Well done steak is good as long as you don't suck at cooking.

>>722144489
OP, for your steak to be cooked properly, the marbling in it must be cooked down to add flavour to the steak, additionally, fat needs to be rendered. Steak requires different temperatures depending on the cut to achieve this. Some steaks such as Fillets have extremely low amount of marbling and fat and can be eaten Blue or Rare and are delicious at that temperature as those particular cuts are so tender that they can be carved with a spoon. Higher marbled cuts such as a Ribeye require a bit more work, MR-M to achieve this. You must also consider whether the steak is dry or wet aged, whether marbling is higher than normal such as Wagyu beef or whether the cut might be grain or pasture fed which can make it leaner or fattier.

>Source: Work in high end steakhouse

>>722149132
so you have no personal beliefs about things being right or wrong? you only do what you think society would approve of? if there was a society that tortured children for fun, you'd be on board?

>>722149375
thats exactly what it means. lrn to evolution m8. were at the top of the food chain so we get to eat whatever we want.

>>722149375
Actually we do. Society as a whole has said so.

>>722149375
It's science

>>722144489
There's a balance between the outside and the inside. Raw meat has solid, rubbery, tasteless fat. When the outside is cooked properly the fat on the inside melts, creating a juicy and delicious steak. I have never eaten a well-done steak that was anything but dry and a chore to eat. Come on, anon, think.

>>722149375

The only rights any living thing has are the ones it can defend with it's fists/teeth or whatever it was born with.

>>722149288
> I'm not forcing anything on them besides death

kinda what I just said. but also, a life born into captivity and other possible forms of abuse and exploitation.

>>722149375
Who are you to decide rights? What makes you more worthy of deciding my rights than I am? As long as it isn't people i'm hurting I should be free to slaughter my own property as I see fit.

>>722149472
Only if I found torturing children fun

>>722149472
>if there was a society that tortured children for fun, you'd be on board?

If I was raised in that society, then probably. But I'm not. I was raised in a society that frowns on that shit, but is OK with killing animals for food.

>>722149310
> Killing = death = necessary for me to eat them

? wat? that's a jump in the last equality.

> That's like saying that it's your fault for being born because your dad likes to slam mongoloids.

that is not the same thing at all, and that analogy doesn't make any sense. if you pay for something to happen, then you're partly responsible for it happening. that's why people who hire hitmen rightfully get charged with a crime, for example.

Chefs on well done steak..

Honestly, if they want to eat crap, that's all well and good. As long as you pay for it." — Carey Dobies, executive chef of Savvor Restaurant and Lounge

>>722144489
BLUE RARE is missing from your chart
Your chart's temps are only for beef.
The temps for veal, ox, buffalo, bison, venison, lamb, mutton, goat, pork, and chicken are missing.

>>722149438
bruh, do your research. this is simple shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_(nutrient)#Animal_protein_diet_versus_plant-based_protein_diet

>>722148940
shoot it in the head,break its neck. Of course you can kill an animal without hurting it you fucktard

>>722146292
Can you get more of the taste when your tongue is numb from coldness, or when it's a bit softer and still semi-solid? It's why people still eat the soupy ice-cream after it melts- the taste is more pronounced,

>>722149483
actually, fun fact, we're not on the top of the food chain

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/where-do-humans-really-rank-on-the-food-chain-180948053/

but regardless, the fact that we are capable of hurting animals that can't fight back isn't any kind of moral justification for doing so.

>>722149870
I like to think that temperature has everything to do with ingestion. Like when you have a glass of cold water over room temp its a lot more refreshing.

>>722149484
society as a whole has said a lot of fucked up stuff. genocide, slavery, the oppression of women or certain races. were those ever right?

>>722146292
Melted ice cream has a stronger flavor, but the shittier texture makes the frozen better overall.

>>722149687
For me to enjoy a steak, the animal has to die.

And my actions have no bearing on how an animal was killed and prepared. Are you stupid enough to say that all the grocery stores are proponents for cruel ways to kill an animal? Or that all of the steaks in the local grocery store all magically died, were skinned and prepped, except for the one that I bought?

>>722149519
so you'd be fine with anyone attacking you for no reason then I guess? because if you can't successfully defend yourself, then you didn't have the right to your life anyways

>>722150040
If I lived and was raised in those societies, then yes, they would have been right. As each society deems what is right and wrong.

Once more though, I wasn't raised in one of those societies. I was raised in one that doesn't like that shit, therefore we see it as wrong. I don't know of any country in the world that sees eating meat as wrong.

>>722149559
I'm not infringing on your rights. you have no right to hurt other sentient beings for unnecessary reasons. you're the one infringing on their rights.

also, animals aren't property

>>722150276
Schrodingers steak: a steak is not one that has been taken from an animal until the steak has been purchased

>>722150307
People don't attack each other for no reason. They may be stupid reasons, but for no reason doesn't happen. And if I can't succesfully defend myself, then obviously, I didn't defend my right to life well enough to enjoy it.

>>722149921
were using the term food chain in the evolutionary sense. Not it the sense that we are omnivores and eat plants in addition to meat.

animals can and do fight back

Medium rare is objectively, scientifically the optimum steak.

Faggots who cook well done deserve the gallows, those who put sauce or ketchup on steak deserve a slow, agonizing death through torture

>>722150307
You really don't get this whole "society makes the rules" thing do you?

>>722149603
well you should think about that. you simply lack morals. that's pretty much as fundamentally pathetic as you could be.

>>722144489
Aged beef has a crust of bacteria.
A very large very thick cut of aged beef cooked to medium-rare in a Very hot wood fired oven at 800•F/425•C cooked for a minute on each side will kill any bacteria on the outside.

Aged beef is partly broken down by bacteria on the outside and somewhat on the inside.

Cooking beef properly means the outside is cooked which seals in the juices and has a warmed and very very slightly cooked interior which Denatures some of the proteins including connective tissue and muscle fibers, and liquifies the fats and allows the intercellular juices to flow.

>>722150475
lol

>>722150483
>>People don't attack each other for no reason.
>what are niggers

They literally do it for sport.

>>722144970
>A1
>perfect steak experience

Shit is nasty. I make my own sauce.
Ketchup and vinegar based.

I'll take your bait... I like mine medium rare, I prefer the flavor and texture that way, the searing and caramelization chemical process combined with salt produces a different taste compared to it being completely raw. And I dislike the texture of well done meat.

>>722150594
They enjoyed it, hence sport. = reason.

>>722150617
I generally only use Montreal Steak Seasoning as a dry rub.

>>722144489
listen man you can have your steak however you want it but we don;t need to know that you have no taste whatsoever

>>722150424
As if a lamb or cow or chicken is capable of such complex though as you or I. Animals are stupid, plain and simple. This can be demonstrated by giving a chicken cooked chicken. The chicken doesn't debate whether its right or wrong to consume the flesh of its own kind, it simply does what is necessary to survive. This primal instinct is what makes it lesser.

>>722149620
so now it's not what society decided, it's what you were brought up and indoctrinated to believe is okay?

I understand that you're saying you'd probably do it because you're used to it- but that isn't saying it's right. it almost sounds like you're saying that'd be a form of delusion, because you don't argue that society's acceptance makes it moral.

>>722149783
It's the best protein because along with the protein is also gives you other beneficial things that the plant-based proteins require you to take supplements for.

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>>722144489

Worst kind of snobs ranked.

#1 beer snobs
#2 coffee snobs
#3 steak snobs
#4 gym snobs criticizing your "form"

>>722150833
Stop fucking turning your steak into leather and I'll stop shitting on you for it.

I can't imagine caring this much about how other people prefer their meat prepared.

>>722150745
Right and wrong are points of view. Just like one's trash is another's treasure.

In ancient greek history it was perfectly fine for rulers to fuck children, but now it's not ok. Society changes and thus morals do. To say that there is an absolute moral code is ridiculous.

>>722150833
you forgot the vegans dude

>>722149788
so you can guarantee in every case of those two methods an animal experiences not a moment of pain? usually, cattle / pigs are sedated by electronacosis before execution, which in itself is painful

>>722150745
>so now it's not what society decided, it's what you were brought up and indoctrinated to believe is okay?

That's society dumb ass. We're raised with the rules we've created as a whole. To uphold those rules and follow what they've said was right and wrong. We've decided what is moral and what is not. Some of us don't follow this shit and aren't considered active members of society, however most of us do.

>>722144489
This.

If you faggots like raw meet so much, why don't you just go back to the caves where you belong

fucking uncivilized savages

>>722150833
#0.99 snob snobs

>>722150950
>Stop fucking turning your steak into leather and I'll stop shitting on you for it.

I like it that way. I'll drench it in steak sauce if I want to, too. And I'll wash it down with a Bud Light. You can't stop me. Get mad about it.

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>>722150594
That guy has apparently never watched Animal Planet or been to a zoo.

>>722150833
#1 is Vegans do.

Vegetarians are at least capable of not being self-righteous cunts. Vegans can't help themselves.

>>722150800
by that chart rare for me boss
but rare on that chart is a medium rare everywhere else

>>722151005
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

>>722150276
> For me to enjoy a steak, the animal has to die.

yes, that's exactly why it's wrong

> And my actions have no bearing on how an animal was killed and prepared. Are you stupid enough to say that all the grocery stores are proponents for cruel ways to kill an animal? Or that all of the steaks in the local grocery store all magically died, were skinned and prepped, except for the one that I bought?

I'm only saying that by buying animal products, you're paying people to hurt animals. I'm not saying anyone is a proponent of excessive cruelty towards animals, but in order to harvest animal products, cruelty is necessary. killing, hurting, enslaving, caging, and in general exploiting animals is cruel if you don't need to do it.

>>722144489
>why
Because it tastes good, dummy

>>722150399
I personally believe things like slavery and genocide are wrong even if a bunch of people get together and decide it's okay. and that fact that apparently a lot of you don't is very troubling. have you never heard of the concept of having morals? what you're describing isn't the same thing

>>722151197

Fortunately for me, I do not know any vegans so they aren't on my list. But I can imagine they are annoying as fuck. I do know many pretentious dbags who will gag down the most disgusting beer that is thick as tar and so bitter it tastes like straight up aspirin, and they will pretend it's good because it's some fucking import.

>>722150483
I didn't say they had no reason. maybe they think you'll taste good. by your logic, if they kill you, you didn't have a right to life. don't you think that's a little messed up?

>>722151302
The same logic can be applied to paper companies but they aren't accused of killing trees. The meat is already going to be butchered and they won't stop butchering it even if I or a hundred or a thousand people stop eating red meat.

>>722144565
myoglobin you dipshit

>>722150507
> animals can and do fight back

oh yeah, I mean, as much as they can. take for example this excerpt:

It’s the same thing with the animal who pisses you off, except it is in the stick pit, you are going to kill it. Only you don’t just kill it, you go in hard, push hard, blow its windpipe, make it drown in its own blood. Split its nose. A live hog would be running up to me in the kill pit, just looking up at me and I’d be sticking, and I would just take my knife and stab it, thunk, stick it right in the eye while it was just sitting there looking up at me waiting to die, and the hog would just scream. One time I took my knife—it’s sharp enough—and I sliced the end of a hog’s nose, just like a piece of bologna. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So, I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now the hog went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left in my hand—I was wearing rubber gloves—and I stuck that salt right up the hog’s ass. The poor hog didn’t know whether to shit or go blind. Another time, there was a live hog in the pit. It hadn’t done anything wrong, wasn’t even running around the pit. It was just alive. I took a three-foot chunk of pipe—two-inch diameter pipe---and I literally beat that hog to death. Couldn’t have been more than a two-inch piece of solid bone left in its head. Basically, if you want to put it into layman’s terms, I crushed his skull. It was like I started hitting that hog and I couldn’t stop. And then I finally did stop. I’d expended all this energy and frustration, and I’m thinking, 'what in God’s sweet name did I just do?'

>>722144489
the same reason everything is cooked?
you can apply a chart like what you posted literally to chocolate chip cookies and it would mean the same thing

>>722151302
Lmao

I'm not paying anyone to hurt an animal. If the cow (for example) died because of heart failure or was attacked by a pack of wolves, brought down and killed, I'd still buy the meat. So unless you're going to take this up with nature after this thread dies, go pet the fuckin chickens.

I'm not even going to fish that retarded comment about cruelty. Swatting a fly is cruelty. Catching a fish in a net is cruelty. Doing anything that causes pain (according to you) is cruelty. Welp, in the real world, shit happens, and people and animals get hurt.

Meanwhile I get to enjoy a tastey steak.

>>722150525
I understand the idea, but I don't agree with it. just because a bunch of people told me it's okay for me to hurt animals if I feel like it doesn't make me think it's right.

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>>722144489
>anomaly detected
>autism levels off the chart
>quarantine entire country to prevent a single μL of concentrated autism leaking out

>>722151546
>I personally believe things like slavery and genocide are wrong even if a bunch of people get together and decide it's okay.

You cannot say that because you haven't been raised in a society that says it's OK.

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>>722151546
Morals only truly apply to the in-group.
Genocide is repugnant and should be avoided if there's another option, but it's no more intrinsically immoral than war.

>>722151882
Basic cherry picking

>>722145301
Mah nigguh.

>>722144489
Medium all the way, cooked well enough so that there is little chance of bacteria forming but still not cooked too much to the point that it has the texture equivalent to a thick piece of leather.

>>722151980
You have the same thinking as murderers. Just because society has told them that it's wrong, doesn't mean they should have to abide by it".

You, like them, aren't functioning members of society.

>>722150740
yes, I understand animals are stupid, but I still don't think that makes it okay for us to hurt them. I don't see the logic there.

if anything that makes me feel sadder for them. they don't know why they were born in a cage and why they're separated from their mothers or why they get their head run underwater with an electric current passing through it and then a bolt gun to the forehead. of course, that's just an emotional reaction- it'd still be wrong if they understood why it was happening.

>>722152043
>>722151546
Actually no, I'll correct myself. Genocide is less moral than war. It's not absolutely immoral if you have no other option, though.

>>722151667
It is messed up, but you know what? What rights do you really have? Think on that for a sec. What rights do you have outside of what you're willing to fight to the death for? Because if you're not willing to fight to the death for it, what makes it a right and not a privilege?

>>722152250
Im afraid there is no saving you. You are brainwashed. Another victim of the modern age. I feel deeply sorry for you friend.

>>722150773
the only supplement required to a proper vegan diet is B12, which vegans often lack only because our produce is so cleanly now. it's often found in animal flesh, which is harder to clean

>>722150977
so you believe at one time it was "right" to fuck children?

>>722150833
all the best kinds of people

>>722150833
you forgot weed snobs, the worst of all of them

>>722152539
If he was raised in that time period, he probably would think that.

>>722144489
I mean if its warm enough not to be like raw meat but the inside still bleeds on me i like that idk must be some primal shit.

>>722151042
just curious, how do you think the rules we've created as a whole were actually created? because I think the first societies probably didn't have many rules. early societies certainly had some fucked up rules.

I guess some people must've spoken up about what they believed was right or wrong, and society evolved, just like it is currently with the animal rights movement.

>>722152539
No, I don't believe it was a right. I wasn't born back then. I was giving you an example. You need to learn proper debate form. Stop making assumptions.

>>722151289
you could just not make an omelette! very good analogy, you set that up well, thanks

>>722152833
But I like omelettes.

>>722144489
I actually prefer my steak well done because there's less risk of ingesting harmful bacteria from raw meat. Also, I grew up eating thoroughly cooked steak so anything other than that just doesn't taste right.

>>722150617
>own sauce
>use ready made ketchup

>>722151675
they would stop butchering if people stopped paying them to

>>722152741
Society does evolve. We learn, we adapt, we change.

However we're no where near close to being a vegan society.

>>722151971
do you in general believe the meat you buy from a store died in a natural and unavoidable way?

also, yes, anything that causes unnecessary pain is cruelty. that surprises you?

>>722152949
They'd instead butcher the entirety of them. If no one was eating cows.. did you just think we'd allow the cows to roam freely across the land? No, most of the species would be slaughtered.

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>>722152949
That's like saying you'd stop having sex if everyone else did too.

>>722144489
Personally I like medium well, I find the steak is more tender (less chewy) and is more savory/flavorful that way.

>>722152042
counterexample: I was raised in society that says hurting animals is okay, and I don't agree with that.

>>722152833
Right! You could just have a nice set of breakfast sausages instead!

>>722146197
You're missing the best argument against their logic which is this: rare steak is still FULLY COOKED

>>722150833
Form is super important brah. You'll snap your shit up if you lift improperly

>>722152125
yes, obviously I don't think that level of cruelty is the case most of the time. but my point is, animals sometimes do fight back, and that fact is the opposite of a reason to support hurting them

>>722152948

>Not knowing what ingredients are
Go ahead and throw a bunch of shit together and ketchup, call it a sauce, and lemme know how it works out for you, anon.

>>722153163
Yeah and murderers and rapists are raised in a society that says that's wrong. Yet the believe otherwise.

There will always be broken members of any society.

>>722152949
In all honesty they probably would continue to butcher in hopes that people still buy their product. Right up until the day they die. Theres an idea, just start killing people who disagree with you willy nilly.