Gods where's your proof that they exist?

It just takes one look in the mirror darling, it's all the proof I need

>>722094468
Where's your proof that they don't exist?

>>722094468
No way to prove they exist, no way to prove they don't. Ever wonder why it's called "a faith"?

>>722094776
So close to trips

Did your parents love you? Did there parents love them? Where did this vicious cycle start? When will it end? Where did love and compassion come from?

>>722095171
Love is just an instinct, a way to protect your own genes

>>722094843

way to avoid the first question fuckass

>>722094468
i am god

>>722094468
These doubles will make you believe

>>722095404
Any actual proof are stories of miracles and prophecies passed down generation to generation

>>722094468
Imagine that there's an invisible, intangible particle that cannot be observed, tested, or proven in any way but an ancient philosopher predicted their existence...
Maybe they exist, maybe they don't
But if they literally don't interact with reality in any way at all, it doesn't matter either way because for all intents and purposes they don't exist in this universe
This is my feeling on gods
If they leave any mark on our universe at all they should be observable in some regard, but if they literally don't interact with reality at all they may as well not exist
Not even getting into burden of proof with this logic either

>>722094843
>>722094964

See >>722095831

>>722095831
yeah i get you

if you live a good kind humble life do you think (if there is a god) he would accept you into heaven?

or do you HAVE to believe to be accepted into the club

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>>722094468
>where's your proof that they exist?

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>I need some hard evidence before I dedicate my life to the belief and pursuit of a religion

these trips confirm their existance

>>722096018
You don't have to be humble or live a good life to be accepted into heaven

All you have to do is repent and accept God as your lord almighty.
The thing about Jesus dying was that he died for all our sins, that also being yours.

He died for the sins that happened and maybe those that are going to happen.

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>>722094843
Classic literature.
The concept is misinterpreted by the ignored.

It's just a way to name situations. But the stupid think it is about beings.
A well, it has them running in circles and staying ignored.

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>>722098047
Your words confuse and infuriates me!
Stop spewing lies faggot!

>>722097533
>tfw jesus died for the holocaust as well

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>>722095831
you're talking about your dick, aren't you?

>>722098610
Ask your imaginary god to teach you the art of rhetoric.
Then test the result with any religious fanatic to see if your god helped you or not.
You be surprised at what you might find.

>>722098875
who gives a shit about the holocaust?
Nobody likes the stories, nobody likes jews, nobody that lives now been there, so fuck that old age shit

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>>722099066
ask your dad to not fuck you in the ass every sunday while everyone else in town is in the church praisin the lord

harm noone, live well

>>722095171
Dad doesn t love me :-(

I am one with the force. The force is with me.

>>722095171
did where parents love whom?

>>722099249
why should I do dad/that?

Did you never had the pleasure of buttfucking with a person who really cares about you?

Then again, ...

The best proof is the stupidness of religious people. The longer they talk, the more they sound like morons.

But then there are intellectual people who talk about gods too, but they never seems to sound boring. But they never sound boring in general.

>>722094843
can you proof that I didnt bang your mom last summer?

>>722094843
You can't prove the nonexistence of something. Look up Bertrand Russel's teapot.

>>722099846
was that the best you could get?
are you that desperate?

>>722099978
just pointing out your idiotic comeback... got anything else ?

Infinite Spirit is ever present with loving intelligence

>>722100063
I did not choose my own mom,
did you choose where to put your dick in?

And my mom is fucking hot,
but that's another story...

She's just at this age,
but I fucked her, if I met her somewhere.
Hell yeah, I knock that bitch up with twins!

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>>722099714
this right there is your problem, mate. you seem to generalize people. i have a religious friend who is smart as fuck and could debate the shit out of anyone. i also know a ton of fedora wearing atheists who sound like retards and have the social skills of a chair. the real morons are people who only think in stereotypes.

>>722100063
Oh, your mommy does not give you the special thing she knows all men like?

Wincest! You are just jealous you get none!

>>722100319
I don't think in stereotypes. Psychology learns otherwise. But you do. You point out fedora faggs can also be stupid. Takes one to know one...
Being religious has to do with life experience. And some never get to that point.
Screw then, they spend time on other things they think get them joy.

Who gives a shit?

according to the laws of physics...can we get something from nothing?

thought and will loved each other

>>722100719
i've been studying chemistry at the science facultry of my university for 3 years now, believe me, there are A TON of these guys there. literally, atheists with fedoras. it seems like a meme, but people like this exist, and there is a lot of them, and i don't get why this fedora trend is so popular for this special kind of person, but they wear them.

>>722099976
I believe I can:

Right, so I don't have a girlfriend, she is nonexistent. I could go to every female on this planet and ask if they are my girlfriend. assuming none of them are lying, everyone will say no. My girlfriend doesn't exist.

In conclusion: the nonexistent (girlfriend) has been proven to not exist, as every other being (the females) that could be the nonexistent (girlfriend) denied their nonexistence (by saying no)

Does this work or have I missed something?

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>>722094468
Who'd this guy paint, then?

>>722100992
That's a misconception of the Big Bang. The material for the universe to exist had already existed, but compressed into an infinitesimally small space until the rapid expansion we call the Big Bang

>>722101943
sure, and that is why the theory says that, because we cannot get something from nothing. so wouldn't it make sense that God, a supreme being started the big bang and/or IS all material in the universe?

I believe through faith

>>722102520
But the question is, faith in what gods?

>>722102520
I believe in bigfoot through faith.

>>722102221
All we know is that it started. We don't know how (or why, but there's no reason to inject why) it started.
>Wouldn't it make sense that God started it?
Only if it was proven in some way that a god started it. Otherwise it doesn't make sense to assume that until evidence is provided.

>>722102886
the ancient shemites believed in God, that he spoke through prophets and israelites and they had creation stories passed down, which were then confirmed by Jesus as he performed miracles and taught sound moral teachings and seemingly rose from the dead. why shouldn't this count as evidence for God? don't you think it's naive to assume that we HAVE to be able to observe God given the tools that HE created, if he did create them?

>>722101522
No because you're presuming that SOMEBODY on earth (which you can prove exist) will meet the requirement
A better analogy is saying that you have a girlfriend but she cannot be detected by any means whatsoever, so she cannot be disproven

>>722101481
Ok, many of us encounter idiotic religious folk but you don't like that marginalization
Generalization isn't justifiable in any case

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>>722101943
if there was a big bang, it could have been a result of a black whole.
We can just never get beyond that. That is where light ends. Mystery solved. Now go back to find a partner to have kids with, they will be the best experience you will ever have.

With a the tools to gain knowledge, one must be stupid to believe gods are beings.
To come up with such a mind blowing idea, and make people believe the nonsense is just superb.

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>>722102886
Well said

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>>722103842
Whoops wrong file

>>722094468
The entire universe is a living superconscious being.

That's as close as you'll get

>>722099208
>nobody that lives now been there
Maybe in twenty years, but right now there are still a lot of survivors out there.

>>722094468
Depends on whom you expect me to prove it to.

Oh wait, no it doesn't, because whomever it is, I decline.

>>722104067
it's 2017. If you not over the holocaust by now, take a shower...

>>722094468
None of your business, that's where.

>>722102221
Usual problem.
If you cannot get something from nothing, why push the problem back one step to a hypothetical god who came from nothing? If it doesn't make sense for the universe to come from nothing, why does it make sense to imagine a thinking thing able to create a universe comes from nothing?
At least we know the universe exists.

>>722104488
the god-answer is for those you don't want to be educated and find answers to their own questions.

The bible is proven wrong over and over again. Swallow that or kill yourself

>>722104488
well, first off he doesn't have to abide by physics rules, second off, what if he IS the universe? what if he IS the something and just always was?

>>722104910
where has it been proven wrong?

co create with the divine which is ever present everywhere

>>722105097
really?

Have you even read the book yourself?
And if you have, do you dare to claim it is nothing but poetry, meaning, the message is great, the writing top notch, but it should not be read as a history book and the stories not be taken as facts that actually did happen?

>>722096018
It is said that God will let you into Heaven if you would've accept Jesus had you known you had to.

The way it was explained to me, is that if you love sin, then Heaven would be like Hell to you anyways, so you wouldn't want to be there.
It isn't like "Aw darn, I didn't get in." because it would be painful and awful for the God-haters to dwell in Heaven.

everything is in the Bible darling

>>722096243
Think about it logically... You have scenarios where:
1) God doesn't exist
2) God does exist

1) The Universe eventually is destroyed, and all pursuits in life amount to dust, and their permanence is only as long as the memory lasts.
2) The Universe is destroyed, same thing as above, but God exists.

Under scenario 1, if you dedicate your life in the pursuit to grow with God, then the ramifications of being wrong are minimal at best.

Under scenario 2, failing to learn about God would prevent you from knowing the only thing that is permanent, and reaching a fuller understanding of this life

>>722097533
I think there may be more to it than that...
For example if God tells you to be humble and live a good life, and you're like "F*** off" you can't just say "lol j/k, take me to Heaven Jesus"

Jesus/God wants a relationship with us; when we reject and offend knowingly, how can we claim ignorance?

>>722099714
The fool thinks he is wise, and the wise man knows he's a fool

>>722107594
What god/gods then? Thousands of options and most are mutually exclusive in that following one is in direct conflict with most others.

To belive and almost certainly be wrong and not to believe are almost perfectly equal.

>>722101943
Objects at rest stay at rest, and objects in motion stay in motion UNLESS ACTED ON BY AN EXTERNAL FORCE.

For the singularity/big bang to be legit, something would have caused the singularity to expand

>>722107594
2 scenarios

1)God is made up
2)God is reality

1)adds up, because shit happens all the time and no-one seems to do something about it
2)God does not care and is a sadist.

1)you die, and that's it. Meanwhile you try to have the life you think you like.
2)you disrespect god, because despite of the stories, it turn out to be a fuckhead who claim to be all powerful, yet, does not lift a finger to help people and animals who die, while claiming to be peaceful.

either way, if I ever have the chance, I would rape god so hard in his ass that shit comes out of his mounth

>>722108409
You forgot to tip your fedora and stroke your neckbeard

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>>722094468
There's no proof that any gods exist.
There's no proof that any gods do not exist.

All religious and atheist people are fucking retarded. Don't believe your deluded truth, FIND IT.

>>722108832
Agnosticism is the most rational.

>>722105843
of course i've read it..numerous times.

where has it been proven wrong?

>>722108832
don´t waste time on that.
spend it on /b/, drugs, sex, music or proper education.

if you believe, be a fagg and MOVE ON

if you don't believe, see how stupid people do if they do believe, and use it in your favor, and MOVE ON

>>722109011
Joshua 10:13

to start with.

>>722109011
The Aeneis by Virgil,

clearly the original for the last book of bible, which claims it was written by john.

If Virgil made it up himself is not even the issue. Revelations as just to scare the masses and should be seen as such, not a report about things still to come

>>722109626
where has that been proven wrong?

>>722110391
is that all how you can respond?

Typical...

>>722110213
the aeneid was not supposed to be in the bible...

>>722108997
is rationalism good? why? Our species survived at beginning without reasonable thinking. just instinct and feelings, social skills etc. Not the cool logical thinking. So... Maybe believing in some "magical old dude" (as atheists used to say) is the way?

>>722110535
you said the bible has been proven wrong numerous times and then fail to show proof.

you didn't even explain how that bible verse is false

>>722110549
Nope, that is correct. Still who know the Aenied, know the lies about the book Rvelations

>>722110692
You need me to do it?

First of all, the sun does not rotate around the earth.
Therefor the earth should be stopped to get the result the verse talks about.
Science has shown such a thing can not have happened. Why, you might ask.
And if you do ask, get some proper education. You might learn something.

>>722111020
all of what you said is irrelevant. it COULD have happened once. as if the creator of the universe can't do that. could have even slowed to a crawl.

These dubs?

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>>722111639
You are horrible at proving arguments. There is NO and I repeat NO proof for God, people have been using the God of the gaps argument for ages to substitute their own ignorance and lack of understanding of the workings of the world and it's really just making you look like a moron. At least be humble and admit that there are some things that humanity doesn't know instead of inserting your faggot God into it until we actually have the knowledge of what you substituted God for and then on the next unknown, copy and paste into the fucking next one. The shit is getting old and believing in an imaginary friend that is evil and pretending that he is good is one of the most idiotic things in the world

>>722094468
don't have any
kind of negates the point of having faith in the first place

>>722112152
nigga what? i'm asking YOU to prove it.
>blah blah projection projection

where is your argument?

>>722095831
What if gods only interaction with the universe was the creation? I.e. big bang?

>>722112260
To prove that God doesn't exist? As usual, I'm not the one making the ridiculous claim and the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. You're getting butt hurt that God hasn't ever been proven to exist.

>Nigga
Confirmed faggot or ooga booga both equally as bad

>>722111020
>quoting the old testament
shiggy

>>722112260
I literally just gave you my argument and you can't prove he exists. Also a non existent thing can be proven or disproven. I know this is an old one, but can you prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? No? ok so you're doing the same thing

>>722111639
for it is better to go such length, fixing all the problems it will bring, and get those men slaugtherd then to just put the enemy to sleep or make then friendly?

You see, whatever the outcome, that god is a mean fuck or just made up.

it can stop the sun, and the moon, but can not take away sin without killing his own son?

it can tell frogs to attack Egypt, but can not convince a farao with killing countless babies?

If you want to worship such a dick, be my guest, I don't respect such a being. Every

You can find personal proof by experiencing God, but it cannot be used as an argument with other people.

There is, however, extremely strong evidence for God. In fact, all of the evidence that we have points towards God. Not to mention the problem of morality and the case for prophecies.

If you actually really care, read the works of Dr. William Lane Craig or watch his debates on Youtube. I would also recommend, for those needing more evidence for the heart rather than brain, to check out the stuff of Ravi Zacharias.

Ultimately, does it really matter if there is or is not a "God" ? I myself do believe that there is some form of creator who designed the universe, but that is only because there is no theory to date that can explain where the matter that started the "Big Bang" came from, or how all of it came to exist. Matter can neither be created nor destroyed, which, if true, means that at some point or another some other power would've had to create everything we have come to know, otherwise, I personally can not foresee how any mortal mind could come up with any sustainable theory concerning the origin of our universe's matter, nonetheless, successfully propose it to a large enough group of highly educated individuals who would accept such a theory and introduce it to the world as the answer that we (Mankind) have been looking for.

So, in the end, faith in one's own belief of religion shall remain as a totally opinionated topic forever, unless some form of an aforementioned answer can be universally concluded, and/ or "God" (or "The Gods) shows themselves.

>>722112430
God is the MOST LIKELY scenario based on all knowledge and reason. your "God doesn't exist" argument has no merit. it's just
>burden of proof
fedora tier argment

i'm not butt hurt lol, you (or someone else) said the bible has been proven wrong numerous times and haven't proven that argument.

>>722112546
we're not talking about if he exists or not, you're saying the bible has been proven to be false numerous times, well where?

>>722112718
if you need a god for morality,
you lack empathy.
People who don't need god to be good have feelings. That is more then enough to ask from a living being.

>>722113028
Both of them were a different guy I was arguing the existence not the bible. Also the bible is full of evil things God has done in fits of rage and just downright false things that are laughable. For example having a priest come to your house and kill two birds and start flinging blood everywhere to cure disease? If somebody lied to me multiple times, I would be inclined not to trust or believe the things they had to say. I'm just much less forgiving with religion than you are I guess

>>722113028
I brought up burden of proof because I thought you were saying that I needed to prove he didn't exist which would have been a retarded argument and the fedora tier one is also correct nonetheless vs retarded religious logic either way so honestly they are worse than fedora athiests

>>722113214
It's not about needing God to do good, it's about having an objective foundation for those moral values that we hold dear.

Those who don't believe in God can of course do good, but it cannot be justified because they have no objective reference point to measure good or bad, it's all subjective.

>>722094843
Burden of proof lies with the person who made the claim, faggot.

>>722113277
that's old testament israelite religion which was God's covenant with moses. that was not the weirdest thing happening in those times...believe me...

>>722113425
nah that anon said bible has been proven wrong numerous times n im still waiting for the proof

>>722112718
the heart...

another proof your wisdom is outdated.

the heart is not a distributor of emotions, feelings or 'carefulness'. It's just a pump.
And the blood it pumps have properties which in turn motivates other organs to generate what you can call emotions. And the brain is where it happens.

Ever heard of a pacemaker?

>>722099976
>>722113706
The burden of proof lies on whoever makes a claim to knowledge, which means Theists and Atheists alike. The former claim that God exists, while the latter claim that God does not exist, both of these are claims to know something and therefore require proof or evidence.

Agnostics on the other hand simply say they don't know, so need no positive arguments, they just claim ignorance.

>>722113824
Well I would have to agree that the bible has been proven wrong with things such as those honestly. Why would God need the new and Old Testament if he could just create the universe he wanted? Inb4 he won't intervene and free will, he intervened all the time and did pretty bad stuff honestly. With all the false claims it makes me inclined to believe nothing. It's the same with every religion. You can't just claim the book false as a whole and disprove every sentence, but there are some prime examples of where it is dead wrong and all of the book is nonsensical.

>>722113597
But the same argument can be used aginst say ur bible the hole thing is subjective

>>722113824
it said that world would end in the times of jesus's contemporatries lifetime

>>722114135
new and old testament is just sections of a book. God didn't "need" testaments that's just how men wrote down God's involvement in our lives

>>722114337
https://skepdic.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/bog-neydachnaia-gipoteza.pdf

>>722114331
this is the ONLY valid argument i've heard against the bible. and it's extremely complicated to figure out what jesus was talking about. he didn't say the world would end in the disciples lifetimes explicitly though it seemed that way.

Jesus also said he spoke in mystery on purpose

>>722113597
This is list o people God has personally killed or says he will http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people
He seems to have a real good moral to follow if some one don't belive in you or gets in the way kill him.and this seems to be the nature of the world.

>>722114593
jesus was schisophrenic

>>722114197
No, you're misunderstanding, this isn't about the Bible

The point is that without God, you cannot ground your moral values in an objective, unchanging source. Objective moral values are valid independent of human opinion.

If God did not exist, moral values become arbitrary and subjective. You might believe that rape is wrong, but if some psycho thinks it's good, there is nothing you can do to show that he is wrong, because your opinion is just as valid as his opinion.

If God exists, rape would always be wrong, regardless of what people think or do. Even if everyone on earth decided to believe that rape was good, it would still be wrong, because whether it's good or bad does not depend on human opinion.

>>722114337
your ass don't need proof. it's all around you. You need the lie and therefor you will never see the stupidity of many religions, including christianity, judism and islam.

>>722094843
one does not prove a negative, numbnutz

>>722114895
i don't need the lie i just know jesus is the truth

>projection projection projection

>>722114644
God is the author of life, he can take it whenever he pleases. I see no problem here.

Also God does not follow some arbitrary set of moral values, he IS the source of moral values!

>>722094468
I ain't doin SHIT for gods.
Gods ain't never proved *I* exist, they don't even prove themselves. The fuck I wanna prove a god that won't even prove himself?
Always askin for money an shit, gods need to get a goddamn job is what they need to do.
YOU HEARD ME, GODS. PROVE YOUR LAZY ASS CAN GET A FUCKIN JOB you want ME to do you any favors.

>>722115056
this guy knows

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The existence of a God is just as likely as our reality being a simulation. Both ideas are incredibly retarded

>>722115304
reality being simulation is more probable

>>722114833
>God
>objective
>unchanging
uh.....
Perhaps you haven't heard of this new thing we have now. The "New Testament" the kids are calling it. Lots of rules changed. Lots of things that used to get you struck down by a blast from God, turned into salt, eaten by bears, etc is okay now.

I don't know if this will answer any questions but check out Crash Course, they talk about God a lot and it's very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs_gY1K1AMU&index=12&list=PL8dPuuaLjXtNgK6MZucdYldNkMybYIHKR

>>722115014
if jesus is your truth, why the faq are you on 4chan?
go watch the godtube and sing brainwashing songs about how you can't live without god and how you are such a sinner

DMT is the only proof you'll need

Have an experience for your own

>>722115443
if reality is a simulation, then someone can program a god into the simulation right?

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>>722114135
>It's the same with every religion
nope

>>722115675
God is the creator of the simulation and the simulation at the same time.

It shows itself through geometry and maths.

>>722115675
yes

>>722115487
God did not change, you don't understand what the point of the Old and New Testaments is

The laws of the Old Testament were never nullified, they were fulfilled by the coming of Jesus, as is explained in the New Testament itself if you read what Jesus said and what Paul told the Jews about it. It's all explained there if you actually cared to read :)

The laws of the Old Testament (or Tanakh) were meant only for the children of Israel of that time, nobody else back then, and nobody at all now since Jesus fulfilled the laws and the prophecies.

For you, the law is to show you how impossible it is for you and anyone else to keep the commandments of God. God knew nobody could keep them, except God himself, which is why Jesus is that fulfillment, he never broke the law, and ended up dying as an innocent man, in order to pay for our sins.

The law never changed, was never made void, it was simply fulfilled by Jesus, so that we don't have to keep the law anymore, but rather be washed by the blood of Christ who did keep the law, so that through him we are justified and made innocent of all sin in front of God.

It's a deep theological discussion.

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>>722094468
Why do you care?

>>722115639
why do you care what i'm doing

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>>722115992
Because your ideas are bad for new generations.
So yes, I hope you are right, and jesus comes back and takes ALL of you away from this earth. Yesterday, if it was up to me.
That would be a gift from heaven.
About you I don't care one bit. You made a choice to be stupid. You can die for all I care

>>722116495
>edgy projection

>>722115800
Bringing Buddhism into this is kind of cheating. They don't have the required level of stupid to fit in with the other religions.

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>>722115958

>>722115958
>they were fulfilled by the coming of Jesus
OT: eat fish on friday, go to hell
NT: eat fish on friday, no one cares
How exactly did Jesus "fulfill" that?
>and nobody now
Jesus said those laws would apply until heaven and earth had passed. We're still here, so....you're full of shit.

BTW, he said he came to fulfill the prophecies, not OT laws. Read the fucking book if you want to argue its validity. Pay special attention to the parts about children being eaten by bears for being rude to a bald man.

>>722095715
>Not understanding the hearsay bias

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>>722116959

>>722094776

surprisingly poignant

>>722117192
the last two statements you said are false, and im sure that other anon will point that out.

dang u people are rude

>>722094776
megalomaniac detected

although if you'd gotten 777 that would have been a really awesome post, gotta say.

>>722115670
This. You will see.

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>>722094468
God exists in the form of mother nature and her forces. Matter(chemistry) is what is, energy(physics) is how it works. Life is just what happens when chemistry and physics collide. We are a symptom of the working universe. A side effect, nothing more

>>722117522
Are you implying there is not a story in the bible about god sending bears to eat a group of children for being rude to a bald man?
Because if you are, you might want to read 2nd Kings verse 2:23-25

>>722117769
>chemistry and physics
how can they collide?
they are one, but human had to give it different names to make sense out of it.

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>>722115670
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