Ok /b/, tell me why I should be pro life

You shouldnt

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>>721877236
Depends if you're a morally bankrupt piece of shit or not.

would you want to be aborted?

New life starts at conception. Every life has a right to life. Even if it's rape, that new life didn't know it was from rape, and it's still a human being. I say in the case of rape, castrate the rapist, but don't kill the child. Two things can both be bad.

Over half of fertilized eggs end up aborted naturally; abortion is a built-in function of the reproductive system.

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>>721877236
so that you will not be label a racist.

>>721877903
its not abortion retard

>>721877236
that possible future abortion could grow up to invent a loli robot for you to fuck or create a job market where you get paid for fapping

You sould be what ever want to be and fuck what people say about it just like a muslim

No, no, no, no, no.

Okay, hear this out, if you want to be a mother, and your partner doesn't want to be a father, then it's on you.

If you want to abort, anytime before birth that's not life threatening, go ahead. Maybe even when it is, who gives a shit.

No the real question is, is it okay to sterelize a retard? Because that's what those babies will grow up to be. Cancer of society.

>>721877236
Restricts the choice of women. That is a good enough reason

>>721878978
oh yeah, I forgot....it's god..... you fucking moron

you should be pro life because all of the arguments in favor of abortion are arbitrary.

Ask yourself this -
>whats the physiological difference between an in-utero fetus at 89 days (last day of the first trimester, when everyones ok with abortion) and 90 days (first day of the second trimester, when suddenly everyone gets squeamish). The answer is literally nothing. its arbitrary.

>whats the physiological difference between a baby in the womb the day before its born and the day after. Again, physiologically nothing. But its an acceptable medical procedure to murder it inside, but somehow an anathema to kill it moments after its born.

>and then consider a mother. what mother wouldn't fight a pack of wolves to protect her newborn. Ask (almost) any mother and she'd gladly give her life to protect her kid. But before its born? my rights my rights! my health! blah blah. Its hypocritical and arbitrary.

Then there/s the whole "life of the mother" and "rape". It's not the 1800's. There are like 1 out of 10,000 pregnancies where the life of the mother is at risk. Same with rape - a fractional number of rapes result in pregnancy. its basically a non-issue.

So at last we arrive at my favorite one.
>Well, the baby is retarded or deformed, so we should obviously kill it before its born.
Really? ask every retarded person you know if they would have preferred to have been aborted. Who is anyone to decide if a person with disability, be it physical or cognitive, is going to be incapable of experiencing joy? OH, I'm sorry - you're poor and you don;t want to raise a kid with down syndrome because it would be inconvenient and expensive? Sorry. tough shit. doesn't give you the right to commit murder.

>>721877236
As long as it is without my money, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

A cow is smarter than a newborn baby.
Does that mean that killing it would be more morally bankrupt than killing a newborn?

>>721880257
a cow is smarter than you, too, if you think this is a legitimate argument

>>721880347
Well, the pro choice side uses intelligence to determine whether a fetus is a person or not; why not on a newborn?

>>721880580
huh? no they don't

>>721877236
There is no such thing as pro life or pro choice. Those are bullshit words designed to take the arguments out of the reality of the world we live in, everyone is fucking pro life, that is not what is at risk here.

If abortion is illegal, the woman, the doctor and the staff would go to prison for assisting or performing an abortion, it does not stop abortions from happening.

If it is legal, no one goes to prison, it is regulated and safe for all parties involved and society.

>>721880938
Can we legalize killing niggers as well?
I don't want to go to prison, or potentially get harmed by doing it.

>>721881045
Become a police officer

>>721881045 pretty much what >>721881132 said.

Still murder is not a equivalent to abortion.

>>721881222
The similarity is the entire basis for the debate.
Otherwise, no one would really give a shit.

more babies born = more potential children to be raped on cam
why would you /b/ against this?

>>721881427
No the entire basis for this debate is the wish of some people to impose their will and or religion on others.

Abortion is not the same as murder and never will be and no matter how much people argue about it, it still won't be.

Abortion has been going on for millennia and will continue to go on, and its impact resides solely on the person who has it performed.

Murder however has a different impact, it creates an environment of fear, tit for tat, revenge and other consequences, it's not in the same realm of being equal with abortion.

>>721877236
So your girlfriend/wife doesn't have the option to get an abortion to hide the fact that she fucked Tyrone her yoga instructor.

>>721881685
Then what is it the same as?

>>721881685
>Abortion is not the same as murder and never will be and no matter how much people argue about it, it still won't be.

pretty sure people felt the same way about blacks in the 1700s.

>>721881685
Sounds like the method is just more convenient, rather than the act itself being completely different.

>>721877893
But about half of all fertilized eggs fail to implant and become a viable pregnancy. Isn't it a little silly to suggest God kills half of people before they make it a week? And that half of people who ever lived had parents who never realized they existed?

>>721883901
Well, he did flood the entire planet at one point, so who knows?

>>721883901
What does a God have to do with this? A natural miscarriage is just unfortunate. Doesn't mean it's ok to just kill new life cause you don't want to deal with it.

You shouldn't. Pro lifers idiotically assume fetuses are babies (obviously they're not) and believe life has inherent value (as long as they look like them and believe in the same thing).

Why are people so obsessed with this issue?

>>721884178
For a reason.

If the rate of failed implantation has been consistent through history, 100 billion people have been killed in the first few days of life. Doesn't that seem to suggest God has little consideration for them?

>>721884457
>group of cells absorbing nutrients = "new life"

Kek. My sperm is unique and special life too, right?

>>721884515
One side sees it as murder, the other side want's to fuck without consequence.

Two very strong forces at play here.

>>721879622
Im with this.

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>>721877236
Life is meaningless.

>>721884556
God never gave a shit about anyone. His love is a more recent construct

>>721877236
So you wouldn't have to commit suicide. Wait, that was for pro choice.
>inb4 edgy

>>721884752
fucking kek

>>721877236
president trump is and he tells everyone here what to do

>>721884457
Why not? And who says it's life?

There never has been a universal moral that an early pregnancy is life. The reason abortion became a big deal is women's suffrage. Women started getting uppity, so men tried to punish them. Things like murder have been known to be wrong for millennia. They're not created as a political tool.

>>721877236
because the fetus has a heart beat and can react to its surroundings in just a few weeks.

Consciousnessdoesn't matter. We keep coma and brain dead patients alive.

However, one's personal beliefs should not be applied to everyone.

Victims of rape, or people who face medical complications from birth, or even people financially unable to support a child should have access to abortion.

Especially if the government does not promote sexual health education or make cheap or free birth control readily available.

We take no part in educating people to be sexually responsible, put cost barriers on being responsible, and then chastise them for not being responsible...

teen pregnancy rates are high and we've had elecfted officials say stuff like: "Victims of legitimate rape can't get pregnant."

>>721884818
Remember when 4chan didn't kiss politicians' asses?

>>721877726
yes

>>721884761
Not really (unless recent is around 2000 years for you). Now OT God is a whole other story.

>>721884663 >>721884827
If we saw a similar group of cells on Mars, would we not say it's new life till it took an actual shape?

>>721877236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRauXXz6t0Y

>>721877726
Why should I put myself in other people's shoes if I'm probably only gonna live my own life?

Also, the "don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you" argument is paradoxical.
The purpose of the argument is to make you think selflessly, by making you think of what you would to yourself if you were the person on the other, which means you are only thinking about yourself, which by definition, makes you selfish.

>>721884708
I'm becoming apathetic and suspect others are as well. Contraceptives generally work, anyways.

>>721882567
>blacks = abortion
Anon you really need to learn how to formulate your arguments

>>721885077
*to yourself if you were the person on the other end

Republicans want to ban abortion to punish women. The personhood bills ban IVF. What kind of sick fuck is against IVF?

Old white men hate young slutty women. In the late 70's, they got the religious idiots on their side. In the 70's, the Southern Baptist Association actually printed an article in favor of Roe v. Wade.

>>721881685
>Murder however has a different impact, it creates an environment
Yeah but abortions make baby fetuses scared to come down from heaven, thus weakening our military cababilities two decades down the road.

But you guys never think about that do you, with your internet porn and non-alternative "facts" and your deductive "reasoning"

>>721884993
Life as defined in terms of space exploration is a different definition than how the law defines murder.

If you brought that same clump of cells to Earth and snuffed it out, would you be charged with murder?

>>721884993
Your argument is retarded. fetuses and sperm wouldn't survive outside of the body
>yeah but what if we find a black hole in my ass
What if anon, what if

>>721879622

by that reasoning, a lot of our laws are arbitrary (which they really are)

in NY a 12yo can have sex as long as the partner is younger than 16. 15years 364days is ok..but one more day and it's rape.

no matter how mature and responsible you are, you can't drink alcohol until the day of your 21st birthday...

so on and so forth for having porn, drivig a car, etc

>>721885352
No fear in heaven tho

>>721877677
Oo-ray, la. Seen a lot of you lately

>>721877236
>Tell me why I should be pro life

You shouldnt

bnhgv

>>721885511
Holy shit dem triple dubs

>>721877903
in humans? not true. its only like 10% i think.

>>721884970
>(unless recent is around 2000 years for you).
In the history of Abrahamic religious yes you dumbass.
>being this pleb

>>721878978
the medical term is abortion.

>>721877236
pick one
- pro life
- pro murder

>>721885242
>Republicans want to ban abortion to punish women

>if you knock up a woman, you gotta raise it/pay child support
>if a woman gets knocked up and doesn't want the child, she has the right to an abortion, maybe even paid by someone else
>if you get raped, or are underage, you are still obligated to pay child support
>in some jurisdictions, you'll have to support the spawn of your wife's adultery
>if she can't pay for her child, she receives welfare and other benefits
>if you can't pay, you go to prison
If you're pro choice to fight for women's rights, then you're a cuck.

>>721885629
But it's mostly Christians on the anti-abortion train, so who gives a shit about anything before then?
>Being that goddamn dumb

>>721885511
Well yeah its when they get in the atmosphere they get scared. Then they go bavk to heaven, have no fear, try to go back again, and then it repeats itself

Pro-abortionists are clogging our atmosphere up with confused fetuses

>>721884954
yeah i member

>>721881685
I am not religious at all and I can still see that abortion is essentially killing somebody. If it is okay to kill a fetus, something that will develop into a human one day without any actions needing to be taken (what I mean by this is you can literally do nothing for six months and it will become a person), then it is okay to kill a baby. You're just killing a baby 6 months ahead of time. No matter how much people argue that it isn't, it'll never differ from murder. Murder has been going on for millennia and will continue to go on, and its impact resides solely on the person and their family, like abortion.

>>721885810
Your dumbass really needs to go back and read the replies. Go be triggered some where else faggot

>>721885702
Who said it's to fight for women's rights? Learn how to read. And quit trying to act so macho. No one believes you're anything but a basement dwelling loser. You're definitely not a cuck, though. You'll never have anyone who could cuck you.

>>721879622
/Thread

>>721886033
Protip: /b/ has a lot of Christians who are scared to admit they're Christians.

>>721885702
>If you're pro choice to fight for women's rights, then you're a cuck.
Agreed. But this seems to be mainly what the whole fight was about.

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>>721877893
so, because she was assaulted, some young woman should now be responsible for a genetic predisposed rapist for the next 18 years?

>>721886073
How am I acting macho?

No one is pro life.

I've never met anyone who is consistently in favor of all of these things:
>Ending abortion
>Food stamps for families
>Gay adoption and easier access to adoption
>Ending the death penalty

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>>721878630
... the second being another black life.

>>721886161
Are you one of them? I think this whole Christian and religion thing is worn out and becoming irrelevant, would you agree?

>>721886073
Nice ad hominem faggot. Now try to refute his arguments.

>>721886355
Nobody really cares about semantics, right?
Right?!

>>721886429
No. Deus Vult.

>>721885649
kek no it isn't, it's menstruation. wtf kind of medical dictionary do you have?

>>721877726
This argument is retarded because then it assumes that every person not fucking everyone and everything and procreating every second is killing babies too

>>721886342
That's just the way people take it, when you refuse to bow before women.

>>721877236
You shouldn't.

>>721886468
No what? I asked two questions.

>>721886429
religion in the face of science and medicine has always been irrelevant. keep praying the gay away, anon.

crime rates decrease in areas with legal abortion

so be pro choice

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>>721885519
Gotta love ar jimmeh

>>721886436
What argument? Because the legal system screws some men, it's OK for it to screw some women? Is that even a discussion worth having?

>>721881132
damn son

>>721877236
because if you're not you should, by definition, kill yourself

Why is it that, whenever someone is pro-life, nearly everyone assumes they're Christian?

I just think it's a bad idea to murder in general, no matter what the age.

>It's not murder because they're a parasite.

The newborn baby is still a parasite that can't survive on its own, it just sucks its parents money instead of their nutrients. Yet killing a baby is one of the harshest-treated cases of murder. So calling an in-womb life a "parasite" is not a valid argument.

>Does that mean my sperm needs legal protection too?

Does a sperm, on its own, have the tools to grow and become a life? No. Does an egg have that power on its own? No. But when the two come together, that sparks the multiplying of cells that starts forming the human body. That is the trigger that makes it an important human life.

>>721886767
I'm not the original anon you were talking to, assuming you're the same anon. Also, what I meant is that religion is not even worth discussing. I'm beginning to think you people, obsessed with religion, are closet god believers, because why else would you stay obsessed with irrelevant fairy tales?

I say watch a Documentary called The Silent Scream then decide if you are pro life or not after watching it.

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>>721887284
>is still a parasite
metaphorically everyone is a parasite... if you wanna go that dumbass route.
in actuality parasites feed directly off another body. The idea that you want to tell someone what to do with their body is the issue here. especially since you're obviously male and have no idea what it's like to be female.

no one asked anything about your sperm your raging faggot. when you carry a child to term you can start lecturing other on why they have to as well.

>>721887319
>assuming you're the same anon
naa that was the first post of mine. i believe we're on the same side.

>>721877236
With people being as faggy as you, I'm slowly turning pro baby-killer. Fewer dipshits like you would be a good thing

>>721887284
Okay but the baby being dependent on it's mothers money doesn't deny its right to exist. The infant has the right to not be killed when it is capable of living and in such a case that right outwieghs the womans financial concerns. Right not to be killed outwieghs an individuals financial concerns, but that right doesn't really exist until the baby is not a parasite (by which i mean something that feeds off another body)

>>721887708
>especially since you're obviously male and have no idea what it's like to be female.
Man, I was just talking shit when I mentioned cucks earlier, but I didn't think any would actually show up.

>>721877236
Because your parents were.

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>>721888269
>oh snap that anon is onto something! better call him a cuck before someone else agrees!

>>721877236
Because God is watching.

>>721877236
You should be both pro life and pro choice. Women should own their bodies and have the choice I just hope it's for life.

>>721888525
Funny how they'll readily accept your opinion if your pro choice, but the moment your pro life is the moment "you're a man, your opinion doesn't matter!"

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>>721887708

>>721887708
Not everyone stays a parasite once they're viable, and especially once they're an adult. Although, women tend to, more often than not, fall under the category "parasite".
I'm not even the same anon, but you're being the raging faggot, mindlessly taking the "woman's body" argument, and parroting this nonsense about women having the final say. The child belongs every bit as much to the man as to the woman, through paternity.

>>721887708

That's assuming the fetus is a part of the woman, and not its own entity. That is a large part of this debate, and until there is a consensus on that subject, that's not the strongest argument to be made at this time.

Why do I need to be a female to discuss this? It's like telling black people that you need to be white to discuss white supremacy or telling Atheists you need to be Christians to discuss Christianity. Yeah, I'm no expert (doubt anyone on this board is), but the point is for us to convince each other of our arguments, not shut each other up because we disagree or our opinions are "not valid."

I'm not personally against all abortion. If pregnancy is going to cause severe harm to the woman, fine. If the female is under the age of consent, or for any other reason the conception is considered rape, fine. If either party is using birth control that failed, fine. But not using birth control, having consensual sex, and then trying to have an abortion is just killing for no reason.

>>721886338
this

>>721889308
what if the female is financially or mentally unstable? Would you want to subject a kid to a life of pure hell as a child? One of the most important parts of a human's development is childhood, and being in bad circumstances usually leads to a bad life. While there are exceptions, it's not fair to the fetus to force it to be brought into a world where only pain and misery waits for it.

>>721884457
>A natural miscarriage is just unfortunate

Abortion is also just unfortunate, nobody's saying it's a fun activity

>>721888151

Well, why doesn't the baby have its right to not be killed when it's alive in the womb? It's still our species, it's going to be a grown baby in a few short months. It's just in the womb, not out. And unless rape or failure of contraceptives occurred, the two parents made a consenting decision to have sex without birth control, which is very logically going to result in this now alive being which deserves protection. So in that situation, I fail to see what validates removing an unborn baby's right to not be killed.

>>721888687
umm... yea. pretty much. you're a man, you don't get to tell women what to do with their vaginas they get to get pregnant and carry a child. you.... get to not have to do any of that crap. I'm glad you've thought this through. :D

>>721888687

You can't see the logic there?

Hey guys, is it true that Planned Parenthood doesn't give pregnant women ultrasounds because there's a good chance she won't have an abortion once she sees the living human being that's inside her? Or is that all just Christian propaganda?

>>721889741
>:D

>>721889750
You're opinion either matters, or it doesn't.
They can't have the best of both worlds.

>>721889741
They get to have my child support, receive benefits while I get sent off to prison, or circumcise my cock.
>>721889750
I'm not a cuck, sorry.

>>721888687
the man's not the one giving birth. he can also leave whenever the fuck he wants.

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>>721888951
i scanned it. if your point is mothers shouldn't be allow to circumcise, you got my vote, broski. moms shuldn't be allowed to do shit with their child's bodies either. it's abuse and assault. still doesn't mean you should force women to have children that no one wants.

>>721879622
The mentally handicapped are only welcome in society of they are capable of contribution. If they are in a home their whole lives because they are incapable of doing anything for themselves, they should be euthanized. The planet holds too much value to human life. Think of how much better the world would be without the drain? Deformed children, retards, life-sentenced convicts, all of these could be stripped from the world and the resources can be used to help those who are functional and truly in need.

>>721877236
My stance is that if you fuck unprotected, it's your fault and better give that little fucker the best life you can because it didn't ask to be born. If there is a defect, end it's life there because it's selfish to keep it around just because others pressure you into taking care of something incapable of functioning without you into adulthood.

>>721889810
it's true, Planned Parenthood chooses not to give women ultrasounds so they don't commit to the baby

>>721890134
>still doesn't mean you should force women to have children that no one wants.
Is it really that hard to abstain from sex?
It's really hard to feel sympathetic for anyone, man or woman, who falls down that hole.

>>721890270
Thought so, thanks for the confirmation, anon

>>721890134
circumcision is so stupid. I'm uncut, and it just seems so much better than being circumcised from what I've heard

>>721890285
>rape

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>>721889308
yaaaen, what are we arguing here, again? what exactly a parasite is? i can't be bothered, point to hufflepuff.

Only retards should be aborted. If they can't work and talk they can be aborted.

>>721889586
Many resources become open to poor parents once a child comes into the equation. And if it's a single mother, in some states she can get welfare well above minimum wage income just for being in her situation. Being poor doesn't deny a child an at least decent upbringing unless the parents are also irresponsible or otherwise abusive.

If parents have a mental instability that causes harm to a child, that's where child services or other legal entities can come in in the defense of the child. That's a problem regardless of income level, regardless of willingness to have a birth or abortion.

>>721890398
So, you'd rather risk the emotional/mental health of the child and hope that child protective services catch it? I was abused until i decided to live in my car and only go to my house to get some food. Had i not had a loving girlfriend and friends I probably would have killed myself. Is that what you what anon?

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>>721890062
they're raising your child.. why are you in prison and wtf does that mean to this debate?
>>721890134

>>721890377
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize most abortions (and unwanted pregnancies for that matter) were being done on rape victims.

>>721890628
Because I didn't have enough money to pay for it.

>>721890394
retards mean a lot of things. if by retard you mean those vegetables who don't do anything, then yeah. But some autistic people can be beneficial to society. But yeah, any sort of disability that makes a fetus not able to have a decent future should be aborted

>>721880347
Wrong, op isn't a newborn. Try again faggot.

>>721890642
Did I say most? In the special occasions where a woman is raped, would you make her have the baby?

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>>721877236
Because the chicks at abortion protests are huge whores who will fuck without condoms. You just have to endure the mindless blathering of christiany blah blah. It's a lot like dating hot feminist chicks where you have to endure a 2 hour joan baez monologue before you close escrow. But you get to go in bareback with the anti abortion tards.

And some are actually pretty hot, and the pickings are kind of slim with the guys at their protests. 50something guys with their pants pulled up to their nipples and the weird jesus freak hippy looking guys. So you're probably going to be ahead of the curve with them.

Just be sure to give them a fake name in case they get preggers.

>>babies

>>721879117
>paid for fapping
>sperm banks

>>721890285
wait.. wut? i think you took a hard left turn there. you think we all should stop fucking so the abortions will stop?
>Is it really that hard to abstain from sex?
yes you dumb fuck christ fag

>>721890342
i mean, the cut honestly don't know what their missing so it's not like, the end of the world or anything. but you are correct. the fact that it's still being done blows my mind.

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>>721877236
I bet Its mother is questioning herself about it too

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Libtard logic up in this shit.

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>>721890737
oh... get a job?

>>721890607
Your upbringing isn't relevant in an argument about abortion. Abusive parents exist regardless of whether abortion is legal or not. If they're abusive because they didn't want a child, they could have just avoided unprotected sex. In no way does bringing that up make sense.

Lol pro-lifers stick their nose in other people's business where it doesn't belong.

A group of strangers telling a woman not to abort? What purpose does it serve them? Absolutely nothing besides the thought of "I was a good moralfag today."

IF the woman actually listens to these strangers, this means her pussy gets destroyed; has to work harder to support another mouth, and potentially waste 18+ years dedicated to a child that wasn't wanted.

the only consequence of sex is stds, why pro-lifers want to make child-birth a consequence based on their religious "morals" is pure faggotry.

>>721877236
I think Abortion should be legal, but HELLA expensive. It seems to be encouraged now and I think the opposite

>>721890863
>Did I say most?
And I wasn't talking about rape.

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>>721891407
>What purpose does it serve them?
jesus and allah command it. duh.

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Christians always go on about how their relationship with god is a close, personal thing, yet you can never get them to shut the fuck up about their beliefs or get them to stop trying to push it off on others, either through conversion/witnessing or trying to get everyone to follow their insane beliefs.

If only lions had been more plentiful.

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>>721891474
>It seems to be encouraged now
by who? quit listening to am radio fucknut.

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>>721890951

>>721877236

I used to be big time pro life and supported defunding planned parenthood.

But then i found out that planed parenthoods main focus is in low income areas infested with niggers and that by far in large most abortions they do are nigglets.

So im cool with them now.

The only time abortion should be illegal is when you are white with a family income of 50K a year or more.

>>721890951
>Is it really that hard to abstain from sex?
I'm no more religious than you, and I actually don't think so. I think horniness is somewhat exaggerated in our society, and doesn't begin to compare to other urges such as hunger or thirst.

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>>721891833
i don't think that meme means what you think it means.

>>721877236

does pro life mean anti war?

>>721891973

>be thirsty
>get something to drink
>no longer thirsty

>be horny
>beat your meat like it owes you money
>no longer horny

>>721891976
Doesn't take a christfag to have a little self control.

>>721882184
I dont know
>>721882567
What the fuck are you smoking anon
>>721883276
Im not sure i understand what you mean
>>721885352
Nice shitposting desu

>>721885981
You can argue that point all you want, but the reality is it doesn't matter, there are other reasons other than economics to have abortions, and by that I mean that you can't stop and will never stop abortion by making it illegal. Of course the same can be said about murder, but both are not equal.

The impact of murder is an environment of fear in a society or neighborhood, it is usually followed, the cause of, or the thing that creates crime. Murder does not exist in a vacum for purely passional reasons, most of it is related to criminal activity in some way(No I have no proof, we'd have to look at murder rates I aint doing that right now). Murder also generates, by victimhood mentality idiots (mostly niggers) a tit for tat mentality where it never ends.

So it is very far from being equal to murder.
>but if you leave it alone it would become a human

you can take that same argument to contraceptives anon which would only make it into a slippery slope argument, although I am not saying you are wrong and im right, all im saying is, you'd get the best of both worlds, by simply allowing it to be legal because at the end of the day that is what matters, if it is legal or not.

>>721892055
no, it just means haranguing women at planned parenthood when they go in for a discount papsmear. They like war, especially if it's against muslim unbelievers.

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>>721891973
>horniness is somewhat exaggerated in our society
i think you're wrong. kids are gonna fuck. (safety) education is the only defense.
>doesn't begin to compare to other urges such as hunger
again i disagree, but our arguments would be anecdotal here.

>>721892055

No. But some people like to use that strawman all the time.

Being "pro life" means that you think we should not murder babies while they are inside their mother.

I mean i think that if we have to kill someone because of a rape we should off the rapist and not the child.

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>>721891288
Why do they get a "get out of responsibility free" card?

>>721892298
oh nevermind, actually this guy summed it up quite nicely.>>721892134

>>721890333
Lies. Some states force woman to have them so they are least likely to abort.
They also make them wait a day to delay treatment as much as possible.

I have yet to see anybody mention the lifetime of physical health problems a woman may potentially have to deal with from carrying and delivering a child.

>>721877236

I'm pro choice (agree with roe v wade) but lose the moral argument every time. I really just don't give a shit and in my perspective (holy shit it appears that this situation is subjective) killing an undeveloped organism is fuckall.

>>721877893
That new life doesn't have a sense of self though.
Do you think twice before you kill a fly? I mean, every life counts, right?

>>721891824
by the fact it's only $50 in Canada.

>>721892134
To me, there is no real comparison between the two. If I were deprived from fluids for a long enough period, I'd commit mass murder, assuming I wouldn't collapse from dehydration before hand, whereas abstinence from sex would not have the same affect on me.

>>721892893
>if i was thirsty enough I'd commit mass murder
ummm, am I reading this correctly?

>>721892225
If we find a method to kill another that circumvents the environment of fear or revenge, does that make it no longer murder?

>>721877236
You shouldn't. There is no real logical reason why pro life is better. It's better for fetuses to die than to live with parents who don't want and/or can't afford them.

>>721891973
>I think horniness is somewhat exaggerated in our society, and doesn't begin to compare to other urges such as hunger or thirst.
Are you out of your fucking mind? What do you think being horny is? Its natures way to tell you to get out there and procreate, spread and multiply, scatter your genes, that is an urge just as strong as being thirsty and hungry. It literally is a human need.

You're being a moralfag trying to argue otherwise.

>>721893019
When you're thirsty, blood really hits the spot.

>>721892893

They are both urges your body gets when it has not had something it wants / needs.

In the case of water your body needs it to function so it is stronger.
In the case of being horny your body dose not need to spooge so it will not shut down other bodily functions to make it your main focus.

However if you are not hungry or thirsty then being horney will become the bodies target since it has what it needs to function so now it will focus on what it wants.

>>721893141
Get a hold of yourself, Tyrone!
We're not cavemen anymore.

>>721892142
is that what the meme means? we shuld all abstain with your fat fedora self?

>>721893032
That actually describes euthanasia.

You can't have a murder happen without the factors of fear or revenge. In order for you to deprive someone of life who is already living, with their knowledge would mean they either allowed it(euthanasia) or you "forced the life removal out of them", which would generate fear or revenge, so it would always be murder.

As a supposed hypothetical, I really have a hard time wrapping my head around that scenario that you're removing those effects from the act of murder itself.

>>721877236
You shouldn't.

If abortion was illegal, there would be a higher percentage of unwanted children. Unwanted children have a higher rate of becoming criminals as they grow up. Banning abortion =higher crime rates. That and the fact that banning something doesn't stop people from doing it. Women would just turn to "back alley" abortions, which are generally unsafe

>>721892893
>To me
told ya, anecdotal and useless.

>>721877236
You should just be pro logic. As of yet fetal viability is a good answer for most logical proofs of life. If you can come up with a rational reason that you should or shouldn't abort a fetus then bring it out and let it be heard.

I feel like half the issue here is just deciding when a fetus becomes an independent entity. Once again viability fits that for me.

>>721892893
>whereas abstinence from sex would not have the same affect on me.
maybe youve got low testosterone

you should see a dr

>>721879622
This guy gets it. Life scientifically begins at conception. The only non-arbitrary places to physiologically define life are at conception (when you have genetically unique, human cell(s)) or birth, when the baby is physically independent of the mother. Anything in between is a transition state and is subject to inter-patient variability.

Thus, two logical steps gets you to a pretty unassailable, non-religious pro-life position:

1) Life begins at conception
2) It's wrong to take an innocent human life

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>>721892793
>it's only $50
oh snap! if it's only fiddy bucks i'm a get this one aborted right now! hoooo man unnecessary surgery sure is cool!

>>721877726
If I was aborted, I wouldn't know the difference, so it's irrelevant.

>>721892298
> kids are gonna fuck
First of all, when people say this kind of thing, they lose me, because people of all ages engage in sexual activity. Second, children are susceptible to many behaviors, such as delinquency, that when left alone would indulge in such things as well.

>>721892333
wut are you talking about nigger?

>>721893471
>You can't have a murder happen without the factors of fear or revenge.
Says who?
>you "forced the life removal out of them"
Which is pretty much what you're doing in an abortion.

>>721893929
>Second, children are susceptible to many behaviors, such as delinquency, that when left alone would indulge in such things as well.

Jesus christ anon it is not the same thing. You literally have evolved to eat shit sleep AND REPRODUCE it is built in to every single one of us.

>>721884663
Your sperm isn't genetically unique. A fetus is.

>>721877726
i've tried to get my mom to abort me even 20 years after my birth

>>721893761
yea, exactly my point... what? you thinking people aren't a bunch of monkeys?

>>721893019
Yes you are. Anyone at Auschwitz would've related to that.

>>721893977
>man knocks up woman
>woman doesn't want to take care of the child, so she gets an abortion
She gets out of responsibility.

>man knocks up woman
>woman wants to give birth, and has the final say on the matter
Guy is SOL.

>>721893758

Oh look more people not knowing what they are talking about forcing their sky wizard nut job views on others!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB3Zb9Env1A

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>>721893929
use, more commas, anon
>when people say this kind of thing, they lose me
>delinquency, that when left alone would indulge in such things
you don't seem very lost to me. maybe you just forgot what being a teen is like.... or your not their yet.

>>721878978
i get your argument but the medical term for that is still abortion. you fucking faggot lol.

>>721894027
It is not equal. it does not have the same effect on society, the entire burden of abortion or if you prefer to call it murder, falls on the woman and no one else.

Why should she bear the burden of raising a child simply because society says she should? If she chooses to abort then that cost (emotional or otherwise) also falls on her and no one else.

Either way she chooses it affects no one else but her. Murder affects the entire community and society. This is orange and apples. Two different things.

>>721894060
I know it's not, but illegitimate children are a burden to the state every bit as much as delinquency.

>>721894081
>Your sperm isn't genetically unique. A fetus is.

Are you high?

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>>721894125
>yea, exactly my point... what?
what is? ... who? exactly!

>>721886355
That's because you're abstracting the meaning of the term where it doesn't apply. Pro-life is specifically referring to abortion.

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Aborted babies don't go directly to Heaven. They go to Limbo, which is kind of like the waitlist to Heaven. The more good deeds in their life, the faster they get out, but since you never gave them a chance at life, they might never get out! Asshole!

Also, if you thought the waitlist to get into Harvard each semester was bad, there are literally hundreds of millions of aborted and miscarried fetuses in line ahead of you in Limbo if your life/religion ain't down with Abraham.

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>>721894226
>She gets out of responsibility
you both get out of responisiblity... or into it. what exactly are you so bitter about?

>>721877651
/thread

>>721894403
First of all, we are not having a discussion about the what is the state's job.

You're the one claiming that being horny can easily be ignored either by masturbating or doing nothing. And as such it would avoid abortions because people wouldn't be having sex.

That is your argument. Others are telling you you're full of shit or have low T so you don't understand what being horny is like.

You said "kids will steal to".

And here we are, and this has nothing to do with abortion.

>>721877726
knowing what I know now about the world today... I wouldnt turn it down.

>>721894081
>sperm isn't genetically unique
oh man just wait till 4th grade science class. you're gonna flip!

>>721887708
>no one can tell me what to do with my body
>i'm going to destroy my baby's body lol

>>721894672
She has an extra choice, and you don't, avatarfag.

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>>721878630
I wasn't pro choice until I looked at your picture.

>>721877236

It's more fun to kill babies AFTER they've been born

>>721894360
If she throws her newborn into a dumpster, who's affected there?

>>721877893
>every life has a right to life
NO. How do you figure?

>>721877236
Apparently abortion is a hot topic for retarded americans, look at those fucking cavemen trying to be civilized

>>721893727
No, I was once a compulsive masturbator. Anon, you know where the hypocrisy comes in to play, if I were to fuck your girl (assuming you have one) or even try to, you would probably want me dead, am I right?

>>721877236
No reason

>>721889586
Making the assumption that the child will have a rough life is a giant leap, one that no one should be able to make for another, especially when deciding for them means you're killing them.

>>721894790
it's still the mother's body too

>>721884178
>No one knows why and asking questions is the devils work, just read the book and dont masturbate

>>721877726
I would if I were to live blind my whole life or without arms and legs

>>721894888
That would be a case of murder, you're depriving life out of someone who is alive.

I guess no one but the baby and the mother would be affected, unless it becomes well known by the community where she resides.

Abortion isn't the same as killing someone who is already living and been born.

>>721884457
Yea it does. That's what it means. It's your life too, why would you not be able to take reasonable steps to have it not suck for the next 20 years?

>>721894982
Nah, if she lets you fuck her my problem is with her not with you, if you raped her then expect a beating to death with a baseball bat.

And what does that have anything to do with abortion?

>>721879618
that's not what he was saying anon

I think he meant that it was called something else

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>>721894796
>She has an extra choice
she has the only choice. you're both still responsible. do you even know what you're still bitching about?
>avatarfag
it's an image board. post some images you parasite.

>>721877236

Depends. If I beat a pregnant lady to death, how many counts of murder should I be charged with?

>>721894908
>>721891700

>>721884776
not inb4 laaaaame

>>721879622
>arbitrary
so what? does everything have to be objective

>>721893491

Then let's legalize murder because people will do it anyway!

>>721895126
So then it's not murder because fetuses aren't people. The whole fear and revenge thing are just icing on the cake.
Great, we've come full circle.

>>721885981
If you do nothing for six months the fetus would end up aborted because the woman's body lacks nutrients to support it.

>>721894982
>I was once a compulsive masturbator
who wasn't/isn't?

>>721894888

And it falls on the father, the family who lost their chance to get to know an individual because of a selfish act.

>>721884993
Sure, maybe. But we wouldn't sustain it for 20 years except as an experiment. How about every child has a right to be born, but then we can allow them to starve? Is that better?

>>721895431
???

>murders newborn baby
>murder
>removal of fetus
>abortion

not equal things there.

>>721893471
What about some sort of ritual sacrifice?

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>>721895267
She'll always get what she wants, you sometimes do, sometimes don't. And if she has trouble, she gets government aid, but if you have trouble you go to prison.
I mean, if you're fine being a cuck, then more power to you I guess.

>>721877236
You shouldn't.

>>721879622
ANON THAT ISN'T THE REAL PROBLEM

to me, aborting a child is not making him born into a particularly bad environment
OR to protect him from living a life of despair without arms and legs, or having to live in a wheelchair his whole life

Otherwise, forcing them to live like this is just cruel and selfish
>"I want to protect muh child and life in all forms"
>*makes him live like shit for 70 years*

>>721895690

Why shouldn't he be? And can you not default to "my body, my choice". if you can avoid that, you may persuade me to be pro-choice!

>>721895615
Voluntarily or by force? Thats just my curiosity of what you have in mind, because I don't see how that changes things.

If the ritual of sacrifice is by force, meaning the person who dies doesn't want to die, it is murder.

If the person is voluntarily participating in this "ritual", it is euthanasia.

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>>721895599
Why didn't you argue that to begin with? I thought you had something unique for a minute there.

>>721894289
This is the video that convinced me Bill Nye is a showman, not a scientist. Just listen to him stumble through this half-assed, non scientific analysis. Educate yourself, anon. Don't take your stances based on has-been PBS hosts who have political agendas.

>>721895877
I thought I did anon, Im sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuJJowJikdk

>>721895785
not anon but,
serious genetic diseases are the problem and there are more and more

This is why I'm pro abortion

>>721895255
>And what does that have anything to do with abortion?
Absolutely nothing, but c'mon anon, it is usual for /b/ to veer from the original topic of discussion, and we already have with this debate over which urges are stronger.
Returning to what I was saying, you are not convincing, that you would not wish me dead if I did that; and you would probably consider consensual sex to be rape in that situation.

>>721888659
Ya its her body but not her life thats another human with rights she doesn't have the right to murder i think that abortion should only happen if it will kill the mother. if the woman was raped i believe they can only get an abortion before 8 weeks by then they would have done a test if they were pregnant.Ben shapiro changed my mind

>>721895981

And I'll just say that we can go up to this post...

>>721879622

>>721895471
True, but I was explaining to him that I had a normal testosterone level.

>>721894414
>>721894748
>pro-choicers in charge of science

All of your diploid cells have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Sperm is a haploid cell, meaning it gets one split set of those 23 pairs. A sperm cell doesn't contain any genetic information that any other cell in your body doesn't already have. Thus, sperm is not genetically unique. A fetus, however, is a combination of sperm and egg, 23 of the father's chromosomes joined with 23 of the mothers in a new diploid organism, but not identical to mother or father. Can't believe libtards are so ignorant.

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Christianity is gay. Worship Satan instead.

>>721889586
Adoption idiot. I was adopted and i am happy my birth mom didn't go with an abortion.

>>721896111
>Returning to what I was saying, you are not convincing, that you would not wish me dead if I did that; and you would probably consider consensual sex to be rape in that situation.

Wtf?

No, if you convince my bitch to fuck you, then my problem is with my bitch not with you, consensual sex is not rape, I don't put my bitch on a pedestal if she wants to suck your dick instead of mine then that is her choice and I'm glad I found that out before I married her.

I'd only beat you to death if you fucked her against her will, crying the hole time.

>>721895041
So we're at a stalemate. The mother's and child's lives are equally valuable, so abortion shouldn't be an acceptable practice.

>>721877903
>a lot of people get heart attacks
>that means I should induce heart attacks in people

>>721879622
The mother is to decide. The mother can and should be able to decide whether she wants to waste 20 years of her life on a kid she doesn't want. The kid will be unloved, no one will really take care of it emotionally and its life will suck. If it's retarded, it'll be even worse and either way the government will probably end up taking care of it. Is that what is morally right? to ruin not one, but two or more (if there is a father around) peoples lives?

You gotta draw the line somewhere, anon. The trimester thing is because women start showing after that. It's about the woman's dignity, not the child's physiology. The not killing it after it exits the womb thing is because post-partum could take a toll on the mother's mental health. The reason she'll protect the child after labor is because labor is fucking HARD and it's a lot of effort, and she has a tangible thing in front of her. Ask any mother who wants their baby and they'll protect it from a pack of wolves both in and outside the womb. Your statistics are made up and there are always risks, but who cares? you still need a law even for the 1 in 10000. And if the kid is deformed, honestly, why wouldnt someone have a chance to say no, now that science can actually tell you that, there's no risk to the mother and the child doesnt matter yet?

Fetuses don't matter dude. They don't have self awareness, don't think or feel in the same way. It's like killing an old dog, sad but better for the dog and the family.

>>721889741
Fuck you its just as much the father child as the mother

until society gets to the point of no genetic disorders, everyone has a perfect living conditions and there is a system to raise unwanted children in good homes no one should be pro life. forcing someone who can't raise a child or doesn't want to is going to cause harm to the child for the sole purpose of making someone else feel good about saving/protecting a child which is the opposite of what they did.
if you are pro life then you should be forced to adopt every unwanted child and take the burden of raising it upon yourself. if you don't then you are not pro life

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When someone says that abortion is not killing XDDD

>>721896350
>wall of text speaking of things I know nothing about

If what you're saying is true, it would basically invalidate the fears of "picking features" during IVF.

>>721895841
Well, I just meant that if you have a society who condones the ritual sacrifice, even if it is involuntary, you wouldn't have the whole tit for tat revenge thing since everyone but the sacrificed person agrees with it. Not really relevant to the abortion debate, though.

>>721896644

Now I'm hungry.. thanks

>>721896578

WHO THE FUCK AR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT IS BETTER FOR SOMEONE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuJJowJikdk

And you fucking moron. You wouldn't have this opinion if you were an abortion survivor, or an aborted 'fetus".

>>721896771
You basically described capital punishment, I have a hard time believing that it does not generate any tit for tat or revenge towards the state or the executioner or the judge. I don't know of any specific cases but I imagine that particular violence from the state/society does not exist in a vacum either, I have to wonder that it generates violence, but again I don't know of any proof or anything.

>>721896644
Look mommy kfc chicken pre-cooking
Probably tastes like chicken too XD

>>721896428
>I don't put my bitch on a pedestal if she wants to suck your dick instead of mine then that is her choice
That's what most people are going to claim when they're not in the situation. And putting females on a pedestal really has nothing to do with this, because it is always the man that is held accountable and fucked with for things.