>>721433546 The western standards of living are way more comfortable than whatever hijab Jane is offering so Bible Brittany wins every time for me even though I hate religion. Came down to cultural values really.
One represents a terrorist ideology that attempts to control everything which it cannot dominate through subversion, infiltration and cultural bombing, as well as media manipulation at home and abroad. They believe they are righteous to the very end and a great rewards awaits them for spreading their vile nonsense.
>>721433899 Why would someone spend so much Tim making a chart that's largely simplistic bullshit? Could have better spent his time actually studying and learning about the contents and history of the Bible.
>>721434058 It's actually pretty accurate though, unlike the cancerous faggotry that says Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Protip: if your God isn't a trinity, it's not the same as the Christian God.
>>721434058 It was compiled by a Christian scholar on islam, and ee has written quite a lot. The point is there are enormous differences between the two faiths that you aren't willing to accept because your leftist, aethiest indoctrination blinds you.
You have to understand also that there is an alliance between organizations like CAIR, so called"moderate islam", and leftist/socialist organizations to attack what is broadly known as White/Christian America. Simply because they are in fact White, Christian, and American. It's very obvious to anyone who has been paying attention.
>>721434226 Yeah but Allah shares the same root etymologically as El, another name for Yahweh. And Christians think they worship the same God as the Jews, and the Jewish conception of God isn't trinitarian. Also that list is full of inaccuracies.
>>721434166 >make mistake with explosives while EOD technician in a foreign land >blow self up Still not seeing a difference. Even the intent doesn't matter: >intentionally calling in a danger-close strike with the hope that God will protect her Still not seeing a difference.
Towel over hair (oppressive) Left one claims to 'protect the country (kill extremists)', right one claims 'attack infadels (kill innocents)' Book on the right has more straightfoward rules and has more people actually following them. Book on the left has 2 parts, most followers don't read to deep into part one and cherry pick the good parts in part 2.
>>721434370 I'm not interested in etymology, or rather, I am but think it's irrelevant here (I mean, the etymology of Lord is from Old English for Loaf Guardian) and I would respectfully submit that If someone says Jesus is God and someone else says he is not, they do not worship the same God, whatever else they say.
>>721434568 not him, but while one is on average less violent than the other, both try to shove their backwards version of morality on everyone, while also being deluded that they are morally superior.
>>721434671 Sharia is interpreted personally, do you think all Muslims want to stone people? Jews and Christians are ordered to stone people in their holy book but it doesn't mean shit. Same for Muslims we allow to integrate, and I know plenty of boring American Muslims so let's not pretend integration is impossible
>>721433546 The hot American girl is showing of her various rights in America such as the 1st and 2nd amendments to the constitution which are clearly shown here in her bible and gun. The image on the right is likely a fighter in some country that is torn apart with religious in fighting.
islam has a long and sordid history of attempted colonizing in the name of Muhammadanism. Todays world is simply a reflection of a long standing tradition of attempting to usurp a host culture, pit the host society against itself while attempting to out breed them at the same time. Hijra is a real thing and many young muslim males are very much aware how easy the left is to prey upon, using it's own weakness to virtue signal against their shared opponent(that last part is important- there is a shared opponent between these two groups -the house of the west) and this is the unholy alliance demonstrated here. >>721434367
>>721434964 this. the difference is literally the Constitution and American citizens rights, versus what is either a radical and underground group such as ISIS, or an overt, authoritarian group like HAMAS. I'm fairly sure the muslima is wearing Hamas rags.
>>721434850 He's right. And if he says Jesus or the Holy Spirit is not, he's wrong. >>721434888 checked... I's not a bad thing, but no one who is in his twenties or thirties looks back on himself at 13 and thinks he was anything but a retard then. >>721435102 No, I'm saying most atheists become atheists at an age where everyone is an idiot, so it's no measure of great intellect to be an atheist.
>>721435139 medieval era was 500 years ago you retarded fuck
and you just have to make a state law that allows abortions and those backwards retards cant do shit about it, half of them arent even against it because of religious beliefs, but because its "a living being"
>>721435030 Hindus and Buddhists are still killing and expelling muslims and for good reason. we in the West have been infected with ultra liberal bleeding heart types that can see no wrong in what they do, because they are told their entire lives that their and only their position is the morally superior one.
Even when it means attempting to elect someone who openly bragged about orchestrating the collapse of countries (like Libya) and having its leader murdered in the street.
>>721435315 >so it's no measure of great intellect to be an atheist. no, but it should be a measure of at least average intellect. As arrogant as it does sound to religious people, we do actually look down upon you, well most of us do as we do feel and know that you are deluded. Annoying, sure, but we both annoy the fuck out of each other anyway.
>>721435106 Yes, and I came to those conclusions in my late twenties after reading everyone from Foucault and Derrida and Russell and Baudrillard to Aquinas and Chesterton and Augustine and Boethius. I don't for a second think that everyone who read deeply in the various traditions on the meaning (or meaninglessness) of the cosmos would draw the same conclusions I have. I only say that every atheist I've known concluded his search in middle school.
>>721435720 as a Serb, I think I can argue it didn't change that much. Yugoslavian civil war was more of a free for all war between Orthodox Christianity, Catholicism and Islam than anything else. Religious extremism from both 3 sides still left unhealed scars all over the peninsula.
>>721435989 thank you, you are a man after my own heart. Nothing makes my blood boil faster than people taking pride in shit they had nothing to do with, people taking pride for other peoples accomplishments, disgusting.
>>721435989 this is a post made by a European who has never known exceptionalism in xir life. you would rather see the society that nurtured you and gave you life burned to the ground than ever stand up for it. which is a sad, nihilistic view of the world.
>>721436113 >>721435989 Pride in one's nation is merely pride in one's culture. We all participate in culture. Your view merely leads to relativism, which is laziness blended with apathy and a dash of self-loathing. You cannot defend a cultural value like pluralism even because you won't accept the idea that your culture got it right where others did not.
the values taught by the book obviously make all the difference anon, tell me one thing jesus did morally wrong, where as mohoman chopped a hundred heads in a day and thats not just myth in a book thats historical fact. mohoman slaughtered over a hundred prisoners himself in a day. vs a carpenter whos comparable to an anceint julian assange.
>>721435888 if anything it shows that religious multiculturalism doesnt work. but christianity still isnt even close to islam when it comes to incorporating religion into law and fucking up your neighbors over those retarded things, especially in modern times.
>>721436322 That's some fine circular reasoning. Yes, if we treat your conclusion that atheism is right as if it is a premise, you will end up with the conclusion that atheism is right. This is why I think it's a shame atheists stop thinking at 13 in any serious way about these matters.
The world is a place bigger than your homeland, which serves no purpose but to nurture you into adulthood. Be it Pakistan, or US, you are the product of your nation. One will drive a pick up and throw grenades in their backyard for fun, while the other will grenade pickups as a child because an elder told them to. Both make me equally sick.
>>721436324 the culture was already made before your birth, you are expected to just go along with it, questioning it or doing things against it is considered either blasphemous and offensive or just spiteful and immature.
Being proud in your culture shows you are not individualist enough, you want to belong in a team, you want something bigger than yourself, so you imprinted on the first thing you saw.
I am not some ubermensch, I'm a quite insecure person, but I can easily see that culture is just memetics.
>>721436354 I would be interested to know how introspective logic could make one an atheist. Obviously it's imbecilic to claim one could become an atheist from reading the Bible. The Bible could be 100% horseshit and it would have no bearing at all on whether there was a supernatural being or not.
>>721436595 That radically oversimplifies matters, though. For one, it posits the individual as a competent measurer of truth, while denying that any earlier individuals might have had truth insights, and while denying that a culture consists of those ideas that have seemed best to the majority of truth seekers. Too, it envisions a position outside culture from which you can judge culture, but of course no such position exists.
>>721434096 Actually yes. I've seen some documentaries and more importantly talked to some ex soldiers of the wars. Dudes will rape a boy and then blame the kid. It's some fucked up shit. Doesn't always result in death but more often than not.
As if you chose this culture. You've been programmed your whole life to hold the values 'your' country or 'your' religion. If you were born in inda, you'd be a hindu, If you were born in Iran, you'd be a muslim. Same person, different programming. Fighting for the protection of any culture is fucking gay
>>721436615 >Obviously it's imbecilic to claim one could become an atheist from reading the Bible Well I did
so did this fat fuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3rGev6OZ3w
The amount of psychopathic behavior God shows in the old testament especially is what made me doubt the existence of him. I won't lie, I don't remember majority of it, it was like 20 years ago, but the story of Abraham and Isaac, the story about that dude being punished to eat bread prepared over a fire made from human shit, then shit about mixing fabrics is sinful... it just has too much stupid shit for anyone to swallow.
I'm tired of these threads. I'm tired of sympathizers that support terrorists. Im tired of people thinking we should bend our knee for their culture. Im tired of the world pretending west culture is the issue, that they haven't been jihading Each other for centuries. All trolling aside I long for the day that the rest of the world grows just as sick of it as me. I want you to feel the fear. I want you to look at your son as you feel the rumble of tanks and know you took your country from your children. I want you to smell burning flesh and to know it will never end. I want you to know you can't run, I want you to know that you had your chance to join civilization and instead you chose sand and blood.
>>721435684 Except they do. Atheist claim to know the grandest secret of all. If there is a God or not. And they claim there isn't it. As opposed to many Theists who just believe in a God. It's the entire concept of faith. Atheists are for the most part dunces in my experience and I agree whole heartedly with the PHD dude.
>>721437122 Your argument has some rather large holes in it. I didn't choose to be born in my family, but I would protect my own mother before I would protect yours. You would call that, what? Parochialism? Fucking gay? No one denies that if we were born in a different culture, we'd have a different culture? Does that necessarily mean that 1) we should only feel indifferent to our culture, or 2) that all cultures are equal?
>>721436490 in this war particularly, the majority of war crimes such as civilian executions were done by the Christians, granted there were more of them in the war than muslims and muslims did some of their own war crimes, but nothing of the same volume.
Also Holland is pretty peaceful yo, spent loads of times there and I can't imagine a more multicultural country.
>>721437196 You now just sound mad. No one is trying to take "muh choice" away, so stop sounding like some abortion-addicted feminist. I'm submitting that your ideas of proof or disproof are flawed, and that your tendentious way of characterizing believers is both histrionic and self-servingly narcissistic. So consider, for example, this millenia old rule: we should care for the poor. How is its age relevant to whether we do so or not?
>>721437328 protecting anyone is fucking retarded life is a pitch black purposeless nothingness in which people keep looking for purpose and use violent in their desperate attempts to find any fulfillment as they struggle their way through hell
>>721437481 >>721437479 Tribal groupings exist for a reason, this is basic human nature. Nations are a manifestation of a people's (tribe's) will to survive. The idea that we are all equal is an entirely post-modernist idea. No basis in nature.
>>721437465 >>721437280 >>721437309 Of course it was in name of their kings/queens, so did muslims, but at the end of the day all of that was justified by saying they were doing all of that in the name of god. Seriously wouldn't kill you to read a history book or two, but i guess it's my fault for seeing where this thread is going and expect rationality.
>>721437559 Fine, but when you tell people to feel indifferent to their culture, and the next guy to come along is a jihadist who says his culture is Truth, most people will be drawn to the confident guy and away from the self-loathing NEET.
>>721437839 You can pot about being wrong all you want, but your language betrays you. This refugee crisis is exactly what it's been called, an enormous trojan horse - aided and abetted by the destruction of whole nations because of globalist policies, which so many in this thread seem to fawn over (muh open borders, muh one world)
>>721437623 But we are far removed from tribal groupings as is. What people seek in their peers is value. If I rip my pants, I'd rather seek a Chinese person who can sow instead of my countryman who can't, for example. Being born under the same flag bears little meaning in modern life. People can do amazing things when they apply themselves regardless of social status.
>>721437973 I never said the contrary, i was just arguing with all of those who say islam is bad because centuries ago they were conquering land to expand it while ignoring that europeand kingdoms did the same.
We feel proud about the achievements of other, national brothers & sisters, because we profit from them. Their success improves our society. Their inventions make our lives easier. Their business success pumps money into our system. Their sport-victories demonstrate the potential of our people. We love our countries, and our countries the most, because we grew up in them, grew familiar to the landscape and culture, and connect many lovely memories with them, as well as learned how to handle life from our cultural perspective. We honor the values that we grew up with, because they unite and strengthen us. We celebrate victories in research, sports, business and politics as collective achievements, because it was our cultural heritage that allowed them to be achieved, and many of them will improve our own lives. We as a culture build our nation, and is our right to defend it against unwelcome intruders.
A "man without roots", i.e. a person that denies their cultural alignment, is nothing but a twig in a river. Afloat on the plain surface on the water, disconnected from his tree, and doomed to be washed into any direction of outside motions.
>>721438123 The funny thing is, only whites are removed from their tribal groupings. Ever wonder why Europe and North America are SO insistent on becoming multicultural, while Japan remains 98% Japanese? Hong Kong 96% Chinese, despite being a "beacon" of mutliculturalism.
The ideas you're writing to me right now have no scientific basis. People don't fight for "ideas". If you had the choice to fight for your mother or to fight for "democracy" which would you choose?
Blood, soil, and family. That is what humans fight for.
And, I would like to reiterate, we are not all equal. Nobody is better than anyone else, but we aren't all capable of the same things. There are anecdotes and outliers, but history is on my side in this.
>>721438166 >implying the people who are saying we shouldn't help the poor but let them die aren't atheists >>721438226 >you think it's reasonable to reject theism across the board because you reject one version's book, and you think this is not retarded
>>721438443 pretty sure there was a study that showed religiousfags were less charitable than the rest
also, if you're implying you need religion to be ethical and have morals you're pretty fucking deluded and should stop posting cus that's a fairly huge fucking fallacy which instantly refutes everything you say
>>721438670 There wasn't. "About 75 percent of people who frequently attend religious services gave to congregations, and 60 percent gave to religious charities or nonreligious ones. By comparison, fewer than half of people who said they didn’t attend faith services regularly supported any charity, even a even secular one." I would not say that one needs religion to espouse moral views, but rather that one needs atheism to reject traditional moral claims such as care for the poor, love of neighbor, the golden rule, etc. I would add this caveat: one reason atheists aren't worse than they are is because of hangover morality from religion.
>>721438688 And this is the problem. Honor your nations achivements. Ask yourself where you can bring yourself in to further its glory while making a living for you and your family. My very own solution: Being a small Business owner with a architecture office and construction company >>721438731 >Deutschfag? Yes.
>>721438810 this is why progressivism is so hilarious, they are so far up their own ass with moral superiority it's almost laughable. You can't tell a man he's digging a hole when he believes he is building a ladder with a shovel.
>>721433546 Clearly the Islamic woman is devout in her faith and would be willing to fight and die for it. The americunt most likely picks and chooses the parts of her faith that she wants to practice and believe in
>>721436490 Are you sure that's is because of christianity or because of the political climate where christianity is largely found? No matter your religion if you live in a fucked up place with no rule of law, functional government or hope of a better life you end up like these degenerates. It's no different than gang culture in the US.
>>721439086 It says right in the quote that they gave to other organizations at around 60%. It's literally right in the quote. >>721439172 It's not a fallacy, though. A fallacy would require a claim and reason. I only made the claim. Learn to logic. >>721439195 Right in the quote: 60% give to other charities.
>>721439592 Correct, but the fact that national achievements, whatever they may be, are not subjective is. They are part of our objective identity and as such give us more than enough valid reasons to cheerish our nations and defend them.
And yes, if you look into the 3rd world, some nations ARE better than others, so if they want to esxapte theirs, they better bring something to offer, along the lines of education, determination or at least economical wealth.
Nobody needs social leeches, regardless how many we "could" feed trough. These social programms are reserved for our less fortunate brothers and sisters, not for less fortunate strangers that came for the very reason to feed off of them.
And because we are better, we protect our achievements, our culture and our land with borders. National sovereignty is not only our right, but our duty. Else: Sweden.
>>721439836 And you derive these from being a member of a society, and that society's morals, ethics and laws were derived from the traditional moral claims made by religion. Thus, atheists tend to be good because of the very religions they reject.
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