How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that

my republican grandpa told me recently that facts dont exist. the republic mind believes what it wants to

>>721402931
You can't. Their either high functioning sociopaths or retarded trailer trash.

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>>721403243
They're*

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>>721402931
tres

It would require you two first-half reason and logic.

>>721402931

>morally fucked up

>republicans

>when democrats think things like gay marriage and men who dress up like women and get boob jobs is something that should be considered normal

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>>721402931
san

>>721403395
Well this explains the insecurities of country bumpkins.

>>721403602
Why should me, you, or anyone tell anyone how to dress, what to do with their body, or who to date?

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>>721402931
quint

>>721402931
If you can't argue your own argument you should consider gassing yourself.

>>721403702
Because God!! Lol

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>>721403702
why should me, you, or anyone tell anyone how to think, what to say, or who to let into their country?

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>>721402931
morals are just a tool of the bourgeois to keep the proletariat down

tbh I'll just switch to whichever side is cooler imo, I lean libertarian though

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>>721402931
VI

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>>721402931

its the left without any morals attacking blacks, Jews, Muslims, gays etc... seriously against free speech

funny the trump supporters are the most tolerant ones now

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>>721403976
rapenmurderrapenmurder

>>721402931
You can't, because that point of view of yours is not reasonable or logical.

Take a step back and reevaluate your own mirals and values from scratch, taking close note to anything you're basing on assumptions or prejudices. Be honest with yourself or it won't work.

Many things seem like obvious conclusions when they're based on shaky presuppositions. Start thinking with a wider lens and those little logical complications emerge, and what was clear as day, black and white, turns into a stormy rainbow that can be approached and addressed rationally and logically from MANY different political viewpoints.

>tldr; grow the fuck up

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>>721402931
>my republican grandpa told me recently that facts dont exist. the republic mind believes what it wants to

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>>721402931
tolerant left; so reasonable, so logical

>>721403702
I'm a Republican

I don't care what you do to someone else if everyone involved is consenting

I don't want to know about it, I don't want any of my money going to support our fund it.

It is abnormal, and that's ok too

>>721402931
>implying any political view has anything to do with morals.

>trying to argue morals with reason and logic.

this is why america is dying.

anyway, numbers are imaginary and motion is an illusion, and you cant even start to debate me those things so why worry about doing the same with something so absolutely meaningless as morals.

but to specifically make a counterpoint as in the time honored tradition of this shitposting website.

how do you explain to a democrat that money doesnt work like that, niggers shouldnt get that, our borders aren't for letting people through, and nuclear bomb usage is a natural conclusion if you wish to remain superior and be unopposed as a world leader.

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>>721402931
what else do you want? is there any more reason or logic you need, mr brock?

>>721403702
Civilized behaviour being the fundamental condition of civilization, it should stand to reason the institutions of governance have some say in ensuring the restraint and refinement of the people.

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>>721403692
bitch, i live in liberal hell, right on a coast motherfucker. also, bonus, IM NOT WHITE!!!!!! WHOA SHIT!!!! A POC THAT IS CONSERVATIVE HOLY SHIT

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>>721402931
i'll see you in the ovens, boyo.

>>721404785
>Civilized behavior.

According to your own compass.

Someone else may think civilized behavior is counter from yours.

>>721402931
"morally" isn't logical nor reason, that's in the ballpark of feelings.

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>>721402931
the most powerful propaganda, is true propaganda.

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>>721402931
any more? any requests?

>>721402931
You can try but you will fail.
If they had it in them to be better people, they wouldn't be as they are. ...and they wouldn't find early civilizations crude attempt at an ethical code an unattainable high bar to set for themselves.

They're the anchor humanity drags forward in time. ...for now.

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>>721402931

Which of my morals are wrong or fucked up?
Being Christian? Not stealing, raping or race mixing?
Being against abortion? Knowing that a microbe on mars would be given more rights than a 100% human 100% genetically distinct being developing in it's mother?
Being against illegals or prolific immigration? Because I know that there are limited numbers of dollars and limited numbers of jobs to go around as it were and 48 million Americans are on food stamps as it were anyway?

Which of my morals are fucked up? Love thy neighbor unless they're a degenerate fag?

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>>721405185
sorry that logic does not agree with your emotions.

>>721402931
Depends on the subject. Repubs have a broad set of beliefs. And wide range of followers. It will be complex to make a statement that encomposses most of tbeir beliefs, apllies to most of them, and demeans them in a way that is convincing, rather than shit posting.

>>721405006
>posts a picture of right wing religious conservitards throwing defenseless people off buildings

>in defense of right wing religious conservitards

Brilliant!

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>>721402931
cont.

>>721404903
You just commited the same fallacy in your picture.

>>721402931
mass suicide.

>>721405308
what emotions?

>>721404931
Civilized behaviour is defined by the capacity to exercise control over the animal urges, to exercise order through taboo and through the creation of those intimate veils of opacity which hide, and therefore humanize, the baser instincts.

Crossdressing, perverting the good order of gender, throwing sex and sexuality into broad daylight where lovemaking cannot survive and only the biological act of sex remains, are not civilized behaviours. Much moreso than that, to be "free" from having anyone tell you not to behave like a damn animal is not any freedom at all in true sophistication.

"[...] a man whose appetite is his law strikes us not as liberated but enslaved."
-Anthony Malcolm Daniels.

>>721405440
you can't understand their logic anon

it is beyond you


it is beyond all knowing

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>>721405440
oh, i didn't realize republican = religious. I guess I better go sign up at my local church.

>>721402931

"You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."

for how much they blame dems/libs about their feelings getting hurt, conservatives have some thin skin and easily rustled jimmies

>>721403047
>One person believes something stupid
>Everyone with similar political beliefs must also believe in it

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>>721405569
i least i have the constitution.

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>>721405508
Yeah but Hedonism

The problem is thinking that morals can be based in logic.
Hume identified the is ought problem, basically it is not logically possible to move from what is the case to what ought to be the case.
Values are normative not positive.

>>721403047
He was talking about your type, cupcake.
No matter what it is, your special little snowflake ass can't handle reality so you ignore things like facts - like Trump is your president now.

>>721405706
I mean, I guess if you want to go back to living in tribes..

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>>721402931
google cognitive dissonance and realize that people will mostly only ever learn and believe what they prefer to, with a small amount of people who learn for themselves and don't need to be preached to. You're surrounded by simple baffoons dressed as adults and you always will be, don't surround yourself by people you think are like minded either because then you're just doing the same thing they are. The only real way to win is to realize your head is inside a box and pull it out through mental conditioning and disregarding inherent bias. Critical thinking is a skill you have to train like anything else, you can't force someone to work on their abs

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>>721402931
#punchanazi

>>721405508
You have early shit-tier civilizations understanding of civilized behavior anon.

You claim to exercise control over the animalistic urges on one hand, and then impose strict ideology and authority to ensure those urges remain base and animalistic. Human sexuality exists for more than base animalistic breeding in the more developed of the species.

If you are such a simple fuck, perhaps try living up to your own standards first, and not being a bunuch of aggressive violent tribalists.

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>>721405782
nah I prefer sponging off the comforts that my society offers. My mortality restricts me in investing in anything substantial or long term
I'd prefer base pleasures and good times

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>>721402931
fucking repub retards; we should go all out left.... maybe some form of socialism....

>>721405845
You didn't make an argument. You just ad hominem'd.

And he was mocking you, because your post WAS just calling your dissenters unintelligent. Irony, that is.

>>721405828
History major here
You can't fault them for not adapting to the local culture, rioting in the streets and barricading them with garbage is about the most Parisian thing in existence.

>>721402931
How do you explain to lefties that humans are inherently violent and greedy and that if you can't adapt to it you will inevitably die off?

Serious question..I'm completely against violence but that's how the world works.

>>721402931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uZyTm_w0M with this.

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>>721402931
career = over.

>>721405573
>I didn't realize something that was formalized and has carried the party ever since.
Clearly.
Welcome to the american political arena circa 1980.

>>721405686
You fucks created the patriot act, the biggest most egregious destruction of the constitution in US history.

Yeah, it sucked when the guy you didn't like enforced it as written, didn't it?

>>721406111

nice trips retard fag.

seriously, you guys are fucking retards.

not even trying to offend you. you are a fucking idiot. own it.

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....

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>>721406266
sucks that your black king didn't repeal it, huh?

>>721406166
>1 sentence in
>another american retard who doesn't know what a fascist is
>fascist = authoritarian
nope
>fascist = totalitarian
nope
>fascist = autocrat
nope

Fascists can be those things, but those things are not fascism.

>>721406426
yeah, duh

>>721404028
you're gay for using big words
and by gay i mean pretentious

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>>721406281
sick burn, that really disproved his argument that greedy people take advantage of trusting idiots.

>>721405944
>impose strict ideology and authority to ensure those urges remain base and animalistic
Repression is a silly meme. Not even the Puritans expected flawless restraint. We can't all end up like Angelo from Measure for Measure after all. The full understanding of humanity is that we are a collection of animal urges coupled with the good sense to control them. The good sense of control must win out virtually all the time, but still not quite always. For those moments where pressure must be vented, pro-social institutions were made. Holidays in exchange for labour, marriage in return for chastity.

But the crux of your misunderstanding is believing that a person who lives a life of discipline will somehow become broken and controllable by it. Most likely you've been told that the church invented the deadly sins to make a psychologically weak populace that was easier to control, which is also a silly meme. The sins represent animal urges, which are addictive by nature. For that reason alone the idea that a person can indulge in them and then be MORE free from control is as stupid as thinking that someone who has sampled heroin is more likely to "just say no". Obese people do not look like that because they decided one day they'd had enough to eat, and if you walk up to a fatass and a man who has only ever indulged his hunger on holidays and tell them to obey you or starve, it won't be the fatass who stands his ground because he's done all his eating anyway.

Vice is like that. The more you taste it the hungrier you get. That is why we demand that people learn to control themselves before someone else does.

ITT: Libtards thinking they aren't the scum of the earth. Go die, cucks.

>>721406062
It hurts just a little my dude

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>>721402931
hypocrites

>>721406565

not interesting in explaining or disproving. just wanted to once again, remind a republicufck that they are vile hateful animals.

that is all.

>>721406465
What do you expect when the US doesn't bother teaching political faggotry, history, philosophy or anything that would make people functional citizens.

All any of these tards are taught is a binary system of [whatever appealed to them in their teens]: right, everyone else: wrong.

Only thing for it is civil war.

>>721405741
the context was climate change. so yeah

>>721402931
The next time a left-tard uses reason and logic will be the first time ever.

>>721404931
I may think civilized behavior involves cumming in my hand and slapping the hot load on your cheek...
Clearly, what we "think" civilized behavior is doesn't actually define it

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>>721402931
How do you explain all of these bait threads?

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>>721402931
how long till your shift is over, shareblue?

>>721406684
Surely you can't make it all the way to adulthood sincerely believing in the callow definitions of love and hate offered by the left?

>>721406623
Dragging you out of your fucking cave and teaching you how to use tools and your fucking brain since 100,000BC. Obviously a big mistake.

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>>721406684
yeah, WE'RE the animals.

>>721403854
No normal person would truly be okay with this but something tells me there might be some spin there.

>>721402931
>X has different values than Y
>Y thinks that X is fucked up

k, go participate in some violent anti-democracy riots. fucking commie.

>>721406765
So you purposely misrepresented the situation and context for your own benefit.
Gee, that song sounds familiar too...

>>721406911

you both are animals.

satisfied?

>>721403243
Former here

>>721406813
>all these bait threads
>bait threads
>baiting people into conversation
>all threads are bait
>poor bait results in no conversation
>and 404s

>>721402931
>asking about morality
>on /b/
gtfo you moralfag, this is not reddit

Delete this thread right now.
You're making Shia cry.

>>721404435
>I don't want to know about it, I don't want any of my money going to support our fund it.

you dont want to spend money on people being gay or transexual, since when did you pay anything? this is point blank retarded republican bullshit logic.

>>721403598
>It would require you two first-half reason and logic
>you two first-half reason
>two first-half

What the FUCK did I just read?

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>>721406901
Now, you ARE aware that there are currently no civilizations under the belt of liberalism? Liberalism has only ever been produced by civilizations during their times of decay.
Liberalism is quite likely the most prolific civilization cancer there has ever been.

>>721406969
nothing worse than the zeal of the newly converted.

>>721402931
They feel the same way about you. funny how relative morals are anyways

>>721404903
>Pronounced too-kwo-kwee
The fuck is this bullshit

>morals

>>721402931
I'm a republican that doesn't believe in God, doesn't support Israel, carries a gun every day, and won't talk to you very long if you're an idiot. What category do I fall into?

>>721407080
lol

>this is poor bait

>>721405150
lol where do you find these bullshit charts?

also. " the economy" lul. like this effects anyone that has less than a billion dollars.
"the economy" changes all the time, and most working class folks like me cannot effect the changes that take place.
more retarded republican bullshit logic.

Most people, including republicans, are reasonable and wholesome folks. they have their own justifications for their views, just like you and I do. the crazy ones are the ultra-progressives and the alt-righters: Everyone else is normal. I'm a dirty liberal myself, but everyone is human, and most humans are pretty OK

>>721407172
This

>>721407186
You're not still at the "liberalism means looking towards the future and progress" phase are you?

>>721404192
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>>721402931
hello Bolshevik.

In case you aren't observant, here's why people will never live in your commie fantasy land:
>unequal intelligence
>unequal motivation for achievement
>unequal genetic predispositions
>unequal strength
>unequal genders
>unequal will to survive
>unequal genetic gifts

now go fuck yourself.

>>721402931
because morality is subjective

>>721402931
Republicans don't want men to use women's restrooms and believe in science and biology that there are only 2 genders.

>>721407172
My kinda category.
Would have drinks and BBQ with after the gun range/10

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>>721406901
X

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>>721407108
i don't think they're morally fucked up; i know they want to be good, that's what these people use against them. They're mentally fucked up, that's all.

>>721407240
>>721407376
Thanks /b/ros. I like to think I'm alright

>>721407172
this makes you a moderate.

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>>721407287
>Dislikes Republicans
>Therefore evil Marxist Communist

>>721402931
You don't because they aren't. Moral fuck ups are the ones that cut their son's dick off because he wore a dress once.

>>721402931
>reason and logic

There's your first problem.

I was reading about the case of Emmett Till, and how basically the entire state of Mississippi changed its view of the facts of the case, the status of race in their state, and the merits of the individuals themselves (the murderers going from being white trash criminals and assholes to being glorified as heroes in MS press) almost overnight once national media got hold of the story. All the Mississippi and local county papers condemned the killing and called for reform in race relations, but as soon as the northern states started passing judgement, boom, opinions went completely 180.

The sheriff in the case reversed his testimony and literally changed the facts in the case once this happened. It's like the kind of rabid tribalism you'd expect only in the most remote jungles of New Guinea... and even then it would be surprising.

>Strider changed his account after the comments made in the press about the people of Mississippi, later saying, "The last thing I wanted to do was to defend those peckerwoods. But I just had no choice about it."

He literally let murderers go free because he had "no choice about it." What the fuck does that mean? And he wasn't the only one in Mississippi to use the words about the case, and definitely not the only one to use the words when talking about defending other cases of lynching, or tribalism on any other type of politics -- it's just incredible that a lot of these southern states have this particular brand of anti-northern anti-urban anti-outsider anti-change tribalism still so deeply ingrained since the Civil War.

Democrats and Republicans both campaign on valid ideals of improving and maintaining the well-being of hard working people
Then they do whatever the highest bidder asks them to

I don't understand why people who consider themselves "Democrats" or "Republicans" (or at least, any who pays taxes) can continue to believe their party believes what the party says.

Poor communities stay poor, people are brought into the country en masse to be used as cheap labor, debt sponges, and new voting blocs, and people with the same goals and motivations are divided over dumb issues that affect 0.01% of the population

Not to be an edgy centrist fag, but these threads are as retarded as 25% of BOTH parties' voter bases

>>721407211
>the economy doesn't matter lol

Democrats.

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>>721402931
Well you'd have to have proof, so good luck with that goose chase

>inb4 I fell for the b8
I can't sleep and I'm bored so sue me

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>>721407649
and if that person cutting the dick off their son was a republican, you might find an entry into this thread.

go back to your trailer.
(capatcha: all pictures with pickup trucks)

>>721407745
you dont even know how to green text. gtfo.

paraphrasing reject.

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>>721407729
poor people stay poor because they're failures. i was raised by a single mom who had to work two jobs, and sold tupperware on the side. She didn't just sit on welfare like lazy niggers.

They get free education, welfare, wic, a lawyer when they inevitably run into the law, and have the use of all public services. What more could we possibly do for these fuckers?

>>721404193

You fucking twit, stop posting these deliberately misleading bullshit macros.

>>721407211
> also. " the economy" lul.

This is why u lost btw

>>721407873
how do you green text?

Oh please. You fucking degenerates wouldn't know logic and reason if you were slapped across the face with it.

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>>721405150
I think you will that congress was majority dems when the economy was doing better

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>>721408144
wtf is misleading about that? she got raped and murdered by a pack of mudslimes. Strangled to death actually, maybe while being fucked. It was probably pretty hot tbh famalam.

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>>721402931
is morality defined by the most happiness for the most people?

>>721403047
He's not wrong. Not entirely.
The minds reaction towards new information is extremely biased towards confirmation of its existing believe.

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>>721406939
yeah fuck that guy

wanna go to mars?

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>>721402931
the count?

I think the problem is that we haven't moved past the true premise of the united states, which is that everyone involved is playing a game where there is no cap on the maximum returns, and failure means you die in the street or in jail

With no social safety net, the dogs at the bottom get squeezed until they are cornered and have nothing better to do than lash out at the system and cause chaos

With too many social services, no one at any level of the system believes they are getting their "fair share" even though 50% of Americans pay NOTHING in income tax. The "middle class" obviously gets shown that it is better to work for their master than life the empty existence than the beggars on the street, and the people who collect checks all year for doing nothing continue to breed, and the number of infirm and inferior continues to increase.

Both lead to the eventual destruction of the system

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>>721402931
does this sound familiar?

>>721406901
haha, excellent memeing grandfather

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>>721408721
there's a solution to that problem; i dunno how final it will be though.

also why is it everyone who believes that people "should be able to afford" college and "should be able to afford" healthcare and "should be able to afford" a suburban home have to learn the same damn lesson with every asset class:

increasing availability of loans increases the market price of the asset WHICH THEN NEVER GOES DOWN

>>721407533
more specifically emotionally fucked up.

chek'd

>>721407745
>like having a worldwide globalized economy
ftfy

>>721407063
It would require you to, firstly, have reason and logic.
Kek

>>721409164
die globalist scum

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>>721404903
Go home /pol/ you are drunk.

>>721402931
In 2002, Communist Party USA PAC leader Joelle Fishman reported CPUSA uses the Congressional Progressive Caucus as “an important lever” to “move the debate to the left.” A February 2, 2010 Communist Party USA article “Convention Discussion: A Time to Grow” explained they plan to meet their goals by running for office “within the auspices of the Democratic Party” because “conditions rarely if ever allow us to run open Communists for office.”

The same article praised Obama’s election asserting, “We have the opportunity to build something big, a large, influential and effective Communist Party USA. After the incredible movement to elect Barack Obama, more far-reaching solutions and socialism in particular are back at the dinner table for discussion.”

>>721408389
this guy gets it
wanna co author some erotic arab strangulation fanfic

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>>721409164
yes, let's hamstring the most successful people of the world by making them pay for the human cockroaches of the world endlessly breeding..

>>721408953
So why is education nonetheless significantly cheaper elsewhere in the world dispute easy availability of student loans

>>721408721
yeah fuck that, wanna create a fusion of churches, criminal organizations and private torrent trackers to completely circumvent any need for the federal government?

>>721408520

Only if you're in the second week of Philosophy 101.

>>721409459
Those "cockroaches" have access to minerals and metals comparably rare in other parts of the world, and at cut-rate prices.
I see no reason not to therefore trade.

>>721408389
it had nothing to do with religion. it had to do with drugs, and alcohol in a country rife with violence against women. http://www.snopes.com/bacca-brides-on-tour/

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>>721409347
hmmm maybe some lady liberty stuff? they say she was supposed to be arab now right?

>>721408263
So fucking bona fide http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

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>>721409656
so what do you consider morality to be? What do you use to define good?

>>721409459
their economies start to stabilize. their standard of living reaches our own. they start to transfer naturally to not having 10 kids because they don't have infant mortality fear. hopefully they don't burn too much coal but eh. my first concern is for humans.

>>721407873
lol how do I green text it shows up as yellowtext on my screen pls halp

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>>721409664
trading is fine; deleting borders is not.

>>721404802
wow you ok?

>>721409736
Do people honestly believe that Milo's Right to Free Speech was actually violated?

I mean, the answer is yes because there will always be dumb people. God damn though.

>>721409736
do you not get that the "antifa" means false flag here?

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>>721409946
what can we do to nations like this? we'd have to invade and impose martial law; and force them to work under threat of punishment. The only black nations that work are ones like... uh... is it Rhodesia? I don't remember the name but they're basically run like a military. That kind of order is what's necessary for savage types.

>>721410000
Can to explain further ?

>>721409669
>snopes
lel talk about fake news

>>721409831

Do you ever consider that that may be a wee bit of a complicated question?

You don't have to read the entire history of philosophy ever, but you should get a grasp of the broad spectrum of how thinkers have approached the question of morality before giving some "obvious" absolute solution. Start here: plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

>>721409946
>animals will start to think like humans

This is your moral and rational failing, right here.

>>721402931
They're not universally. This time they get a definite Nixon and if we'd won I'm calling it a coin flip that ours would have turn out weird in some international money transfer of her own

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>>721410000
http://abc7news.com/news/video-trump-supporter-pepper-sprayed-at-milo-protest/1733004/
>>721410099
sure dude, keep working that line maybe it will stick in a few shifts.

>>721410227
You don't do anything. And there are multiple countries in Africa that are "ok". I'm not saying they are perfect but they are certainly leagues better than Zimbabwe. But then, so is basically everyone since Zimbabwe is quite literally the bottom of the barrel.

>>721410277
Not allowing someone to speak at a private institution OR simply not listening to what that person has to say IS NOT a violation of that person's right to free speech.

>>721407798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WchseC9aKTU

>>721410710
Assault is not a violation of someone's right to free speech either. But it is absolutely a crime in its own right.

>>721407746
this ban is making us look like SA's whipping boy, Churchill would not approve.

>>721410941
yeah, you understand throwing that punch that you're not... going to be given a medal and congratulated. you're going to jail, probably for years. that's part of it

>>721410609
Deus Vult!

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>>721410545
in 6th grade I decided I would be the most moral person I could; I wanted to set an example and help make the world a better place. ive spent over 20 years since then figuring out what that means. I'm still not sure, but I'm 100% certain it's more than you do.

>>721404193
this had nothing to do with religion. this is like saying all lutherans will murder you because dylann roof was lutheran.

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>>721405573
oh, yeah, except now, it's the Jews who put Trump in power... though, before it was /pol/ 100% behind Trump.... So, fuck you, goyshit.

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>>721402931
>Reason and logic

Not in THESE United States!

>>721410227

When you have a country under a Stalin-like dictator-for-life, yeah, things get fucked like that. December's threatened invasion, then invasion of Gambia by its AU neighbors because of cancelled elections was exactly to prevent something like this.

If the USA had no military and was just a sliver of land across a river like Gambia, you can bet we'd have been threatened with invasion as soon as Trump started saying he'd only respect the results of the election "if I win."

Literally just got told by a Republican that they deserve Federal Financial Aid for college but they expect for it to be cut once they are paying real taxes on a real job after school or they'll be pissed. Fucking hypocrites.

>>721405573
Considering that Trump, his cabinet and the Republican majority Senate are passing EOs and bills that definitely reflect on Christian teachings, yeah I'd say so.

>>721405240
According to Jesus, even when they're being degenerate fags, you still have to love them.

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>>721411660
oh rly?

>>721406170
I suggest an economic right party and a religious woo woo Prosperity Gospel imagination cloud cuckoo land party

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>>721411867

>>721406107
Kek

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>>721411816
>doesn't force americans to pay for someone else's irresponsibility
>it's just religious zealots wahh!

>>721406330
Maybe it's because his shirt is fucking hideous?

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>>721402931

>How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that they are morally fucked up?

Call them Nazis
Autistic screeching
Put on ski masks and attack them without warning
Loot a Starbucks
Torch a Limo
Celebrity Youtube videos
Pussy Hats
Public defecation
Suicide

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>>721412115
I never said anyone was a zealot. But it's pretty well-known that Republican politics is deeply rooted in religious teachings.

Personally I don't think that is a good thing on principle but that isn't to say good laws can't come from the Bible either.

Also, that image is fucked.

>>721405845
if you had shut up he would have only been helpful. perhaps that was his intent.

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>>721411867
yeah, that really proves shit. Meanwhile, in reality....

fuck yourself, Cuntface McCumlips.

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>>721412168
do you realize that man has accomplished more than you ever will? and that that shirt was designed by his female friend and he wanted to wear it to make her proud?

>>721402931
The same way you explain to a liberal the morals are just the high minded excuse for liberal tears and whining. Emotions are for the weak, think before you speak.

>>721412195
Killing 30 civilians and a Navy SEAL on a botched military strike, particularly when there wasn't strong evidence to justify a strike there to begin with, is morally wrong.

It is also this sort of stuff that breeds anti-US mindsets in the middle east. Which is not productive.

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>>721411909
tl;dr

there has never been a more pro-Israel president. weep filthy goy tears, shit-stain.

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>>721406107
beheading people is way up there

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>>721402931
u shareblue guys are good company, no lie.

>>721411516

You've spent over 20 years and the best you can come up with is "The most happiness for the most people"?

If you want to be a Utilitarian, there are concepts that go beyond one's state of happiness at a given moment: opportunity, self-determination, the state of those around you, mobility and marginal costs, etc.

There is also accounting for those who don't fall into the group of the "most people": do they actively suffer or are they just not happy at a given moment? Is there fluidity and mobility between the groups, inter-generationally or otherwise? Are people purged to make the accounting work?

That's not even half of the issues that one has to deal with to get a system of morality WITHIN utilitarianism. If you allow yourself to consider any philosophical system, then you're in for a rich world of considerations.

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>>721412497

What's that liberals don't like drone strikes anymore?

That's odd you loved that shit when Obama bombed that wedding in Yemen.

>>721412411
checked and mate, abandon your own sentiment and embrace utilitarianism

a tip of the fedora to you good sir

>>721412497
It wasn't 30 civilians, the plan was originally thought during the Obama presidency, and even then civilian casualties are part of war

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>>721412667
i was just asking if that's what you thought mein neger.

>>721412704
I marched against that shit as well. My statement at the time was "I hope we can get Bernie to cut back the NSA". Well fuck that, now we're REALLY fucked.

>>721406684
-Everyone- on /b/ is a vile animal, you nigger.

>>721411516
>I wanted to set an example and help make the world a better place. ive spent over 20 years since then figuring out what that means. I'm still not sure

Let me help you
You can make the world a better place if you fuckin' stop trying to make the world a better place.

>>721412704
I never said I was liberal. Nor do I condone the killing of civilians regardless of who the president is at the time. It's disgusting behavior and doesn't help anyone, it only makes things worse for everyone.

>>721412734
From everything I've read, it was 30 civilians. If you have a source (that isn't Breitbart) then I'm all ears.

Also, we're not at war with Yemen.

>>721411068
>Churchill would not approve.

Churchill was pretty racist and nationalist dude.

Then again he was also strategic and pragmatic, and the ban is fundamentally counter to our strategic interests and caters to populist furor instead of an actual problem, so yeah, I'd agree that he wouldn't approve on those grounds.

>>721412919
exactly, it's clumsy and has no tact in our perception among our many enemies in the ME.

>>721412865
The world would be a much darker place if everyone took your advice.

>>721409280
I mean, you don't need to post things that didn't happen. There's enough real things to post.

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>>721412916

do you have a source that isnt the independent? No? ok then shut the fuck up

>>721406586
Fucking thank you for explaining this so damn coherently. A small amount of degeneracy is acceptable for the body, not necessary but tolerable. It is important to keep those tendencies in check. We just don't really have an effective way of doing that so far. I think the prison system has pretty obviously failed and I'm not sure what kind of system of enforcement would actually be effective and not just encourage worse actions (alcohol was made illegal and just encouraged more lawlessness). Are we lost without any way of regaining cultural strength?

>>721413111
Quite the opposite, Snowflake.
Most people who "want to make the world a better place" are arrogant cunts who want to impose their will on others.
Try making YOUR world a better place.

>>721402931
Wait is this a troll thread?

Because your premise is retarded.

>>721402931

considering the conservatives are somehow the morale side now.. you cant.

good work left, you fucked everything up

>>721407045
since Chelsea Manning, for an example

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>>721404192

>funny the trump supporters are the most tolerant ones now

seriously how is this real. the left just opened its arms to insanity and this is the result. Their moves follow no logic.

the gulf,,cons on top of one side of the grand canyon,
democrats on the hell side of the marianas trench
no explanation forya bud,nuthing noway nohow,is gonna explain whence 'morals;' to you.
every guide post for us,hails back to runnemede C 1215,which to you is gibberish balderdash horsepuckey
politics as you see them,is tower of babel to us,, and vice versa
so,,,,,,,,,,,either launch an attack with your army of leftists,shut up,or keep expending futile calories for the next 4-8 years,,leftism is your chosen religion,,it has been out on the run by the brits bailing from the
EU, aka,rule from brussels by the belgian poodle of internationalist egalitarians defeated in the US elections,about 1205 times in the last few years. how long will germans tolerate their women and kinder jumped and legs forcibly spread by horndog moozie cucks.
ditto the aussies daown undah,
you damn fools have done it to
yourselves

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>>721413111
he's got a point though; you can't focus on the world unless you are a genius. it's much better to just make your life a better place, it will have a ripple effect.

>>721406755
The problem is they do teach those things, just a moralized and hyperbiased version intended to indoctrinate the youth into the progressive cult.

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>>721407074
Dafuuu...?
I though Lincoln said that.

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>>721413469
i think the powers that be may have done it intentionally; they are showing us the danger of idealism so that we accept the rigged game we have now. Honestly, if that's the case, it worked perfectly.

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>>721413593
>progressives indoctrinate the youth by exploiting the education system
>creationism is taught in favor of evolution in public schools
pick one

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>>721413693
when i first saw it, i thought it must be fake, but nah JFK knew what was up. I mean you can't look at pictures of nazi germany and not be impressed. and those uniforms! fuckin ace.

>>721402931
>that they are morally fucked up?
This is the problem with libcunts - they can't comprehend that there are different opinions and different perspective. For them everything is either "good" (themselves) or "evil" (everyone else).

I believe Democrats are wrong in many things, but I don't think they are evil or less moral than me.

Only sith deal with absolute.

>>721407557
You're on /b/. Ergo, you're not alright.

>>721413256
Well yeah, I do. I see CNN, The Guardian, ABC, BBC, a few Yemen-based news, etc with just a cursory look.

Besides, I wasn't trying to be antagonistic about the Breitbart thing. But its a shady news source with direct affiliation with Trump, so people need to find their info somewhere else. And from the looks of it, they never reported it anyways.

But since you didn't bother to provide any counter-sources and instead attacked me. I think I can safely assume that it was 30 civilians.

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>>721413795
the creation of the universe is still up to debate. Personally i think it's the great spider mother, waiting in the infinite black for us to die, and our souls escape the cocoons of our bodies and float up to get caught in her intergalactic web, after which she devours us greedily.

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I think somebody here might just of transcended godhood today.

>>721407319
that's sexes. the gender thing is something teenagers are doing to shock and for some reason it does shock you. teenagers have been idiots forever and you thought tattoos and piercings were terrible before. now you've adapted and realized these horrible mutants are still perfectly capable of contributing to society

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>>721402931
Throw poo at them

>>721402931
How do you explain to Democrats with reason and logic that the money for government handouts HAS to come from somewhere?

>>721414085
>the creation of the universe is still up to debate
This is true, but to deny observable systems and instead teach something completely theoretical is total bullshit.

>>721414057

so just all msm that has been caught red-handed for the last year completely twisting every story they can to fit their own agenda?

oh ok Ill definitely believe you now.

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We are the good guys.

We are the heroes.

We stand for what's right. We stand for the innocent. We stand for the victims. We avenge the fallen.

We are on the right side of history.

You stand with disorder, violence, chaos and evil. There is nothing good about you.

You work to silence free speech, to dissolve border and to destroy nations. You are the enemy of the family unit and of Democracy.

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>>721414120
i am 99% certain I am a favored prophet of God, give me your queries.

>>721414267
How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that the economy typically does better under the Democrats?

>>721402931
Lol still not redpilled yet huh bud?

>>721414365
How's that 20 Trillion dollar debt that Obama left you working out?

>>721414276
I never said any one site was definitively good. Just that Breitbart is not one of them.

You wanted sources that weren't The Independent and you got them. You still have yet to post your counter-argument that the 31 deaths didn't occur. Since you haven't and clearly won't, this discussion is over.

>>721406684
As an unbiased party I just want to say that people need to realise how comically hypocritical they are.

You can't generalise a massive group and then call them bigots for subscribing to alternate beliefs that are multifarious by nature.

>>721414435
How's that fucked middle-class that Reagan & two Bushes left you working out?

>>721414365
>doubles the national debt in 8 years of government
>claims the economy is doing better under democrats

inb4: it was bush's fault.

>>721414435
The debt was there before Obama and will be around long after Trump is gone.

>>721414550
Clinton destroyed the housing market, making it impossible for the middle class to own their own homes.

Obama straight up destroyed the middle class

You're not very good at this.

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>>721414133
no, we don't want to go to jail or pay fines because we don't want to remember your fictional pronouns.

>>721414594
Yeah, Obama just doubled it.

idiot.

>>721402931
morally fucked up=\=not following your train of thought. There are ways of thinking that aren't yours. One day, you'll grow up and accept that regardless of how offended your gender studies professor and social media tell you to be that those people dont effect you and its up to you to run your life and be successful.

>>721414365
>How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that the economy typically does better under the Democrats?

Inertia

>>721414516

so now its gone from "30 civilian deaths" to just 31 deaths. Already backpedaling. No one said people didnt die. Just the adults that did were fucking terrorists.

>>721408590
Is there life on Mars?

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>>721414610
Even King Cheeto admitted you're wrong.

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>>721405573
Yum

>Decide to watch a new TV show from the creators of the Matrix.

>Hear a lot of good things about it

>First scene is a black bull dyke fucking a "transgender" man in his artificially created surgery hole vagina with a rainbow colored strap on dildo

And this is what the left calls "normal"

When you elected Trump you didn't just defeat Clinton, you helped turn the tides against this sort of cultural decline and deviance.

Anyone who supports this disgusting deviance is the enemy of humanity.

>>721414764
>Buh buh buh Reagan!

The most prosperous time in American history.

>>721414805
again, you're letting them shock you. you are a disgrace to /b/

>>721414710
It's 30 civilian deaths and 1 navy seal. You'd know that if you weren't trying to push your "alternate facts". Notice that when I said 31 deaths the last time, I didn't specify "civilian". Both statements are true.

Stay mad :^)

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>>721414771
pls, my nigga, i wear a pleated skirt with my japanese schoolgirl outfit.

>>721414764

>youre wrong

>posts something that doesnt in any way refute what other person said

Welcome to the left everyone, where the actual arguments and facts dont matter as long as you have the ability to shout at your opponent longer then they care to shout at you.

Pretty easy to maintain stamina when you are just spewing random shit.

>>721402931
Ask them about climate change or how weed kills

>>721414834
>The most prosperous time in American history.
kek

>>721414907
Fuck off back to redshit cunt.

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>>721411542
actually it has a lot to do with relligion. Islam is the shittiest tier of them all. Literally, one must be retarded to believe this tremendous pile of bullshit. So fucking retarded to rape, kill a girl, and get caught because of using her mobile phone.
Muslims are truly retarded.

>>721414949
>Implying it wasn't

LOL

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>All these butt mad lefties

>>721414916

yes 31 you are correct. You say civilians. I say terrorists. either way oh well. You arent changing the next 8 years with false narritves on 4chan. Best of luck with your evaporating welfare

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Hold still antifa

This will only hurt a lot.

>>721415019
what about your false "Berkeley was an inside job" bullshit?

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>>721414980
>Increased the debt by 200 percent

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>>721415146
>Increased the debt to 20 Trillion

>>721415019
>false narratives
All I've stated was that Trump issued a strike that killed 31 people, 30 of which are civilians and the other a U.S. Navy Seal. You just agreed after fighting me for the past 20 minutes, the only one pushing a "false narrative" up until just now is you, mon ami.

I also find it hilarious how you call the U.S. Navy Seal a terrorist.