How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that they are morally fucked up?
why should me, you, or anyone tell anyone how to think, what to say, or who to let into their country?
its the left without any morals attacking blacks, Jews, Muslims, gays etc... seriously against free speech
funny the trump supporters are the most tolerant ones now
You can't, because that point of view of yours is not reasonable or logical.
Take a step back and reevaluate your own mirals and values from scratch, taking close note to anything you're basing on assumptions or prejudices. Be honest with yourself or it won't work.
Many things seem like obvious conclusions when they're based on shaky presuppositions. Start thinking with a wider lens and those little logical complications emerge, and what was clear as day, black and white, turns into a stormy rainbow that can be approached and addressed rationally and logically from MANY different political viewpoints.
>tldr; grow the fuck up
>my republican grandpa told me recently that facts dont exist. the republic mind believes what it wants to
tolerant left; so reasonable, so logical
I'm a Republican
I don't care what you do to someone else if everyone involved is consenting
I don't want to know about it, I don't want any of my money going to support our fund it.
It is abnormal, and that's ok too
>implying any political view has anything to do with morals.
>trying to argue morals with reason and logic.
this is why america is dying.
anyway, numbers are imaginary and motion is an illusion, and you cant even start to debate me those things so why worry about doing the same with something so absolutely meaningless as morals.
but to specifically make a counterpoint as in the time honored tradition of this shitposting website.
how do you explain to a democrat that money doesnt work like that, niggers shouldnt get that, our borders aren't for letting people through, and nuclear bomb usage is a natural conclusion if you wish to remain superior and be unopposed as a world leader.
what else do you want? is there any more reason or logic you need, mr brock?
Civilized behaviour being the fundamental condition of civilization, it should stand to reason the institutions of governance have some say in ensuring the restraint and refinement of the people.
bitch, i live in liberal hell, right on a coast motherfucker. also, bonus, IM NOT WHITE!!!!!! WHOA SHIT!!!! A POC THAT IS CONSERVATIVE HOLY SHIT
the most powerful propaganda, is true propaganda.
You can try but you will fail.
If they had it in them to be better people, they wouldn't be as they are. ...and they wouldn't find early civilizations crude attempt at an ethical code an unattainable high bar to set for themselves.
They're the anchor humanity drags forward in time. ...for now.
Which of my morals are wrong or fucked up?
Being Christian? Not stealing, raping or race mixing?
Being against abortion? Knowing that a microbe on mars would be given more rights than a 100% human 100% genetically distinct being developing in it's mother?
Being against illegals or prolific immigration? Because I know that there are limited numbers of dollars and limited numbers of jobs to go around as it were and 48 million Americans are on food stamps as it were anyway?
Which of my morals are fucked up? Love thy neighbor unless they're a degenerate fag?
sorry that logic does not agree with your emotions.
Depends on the subject. Repubs have a broad set of beliefs. And wide range of followers. It will be complex to make a statement that encomposses most of tbeir beliefs, apllies to most of them, and demeans them in a way that is convincing, rather than shit posting.
Civilized behaviour is defined by the capacity to exercise control over the animal urges, to exercise order through taboo and through the creation of those intimate veils of opacity which hide, and therefore humanize, the baser instincts.
Crossdressing, perverting the good order of gender, throwing sex and sexuality into broad daylight where lovemaking cannot survive and only the biological act of sex remains, are not civilized behaviours. Much moreso than that, to be "free" from having anyone tell you not to behave like a damn animal is not any freedom at all in true sophistication.
"[...] a man whose appetite is his law strikes us not as liberated but enslaved."
-Anthony Malcolm Daniels.
oh, i didn't realize republican = religious. I guess I better go sign up at my local church.
"You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."
for how much they blame dems/libs about their feelings getting hurt, conservatives have some thin skin and easily rustled jimmies
i least i have the constitution.
The problem is thinking that morals can be based in logic.
Hume identified the is ought problem, basically it is not logically possible to move from what is the case to what ought to be the case.
Values are normative not positive.
He was talking about your type, cupcake.
No matter what it is, your special little snowflake ass can't handle reality so you ignore things like facts - like Trump is your president now.
google cognitive dissonance and realize that people will mostly only ever learn and believe what they prefer to, with a small amount of people who learn for themselves and don't need to be preached to. You're surrounded by simple baffoons dressed as adults and you always will be, don't surround yourself by people you think are like minded either because then you're just doing the same thing they are. The only real way to win is to realize your head is inside a box and pull it out through mental conditioning and disregarding inherent bias. Critical thinking is a skill you have to train like anything else, you can't force someone to work on their abs
You have early shit-tier civilizations understanding of civilized behavior anon.
You claim to exercise control over the animalistic urges on one hand, and then impose strict ideology and authority to ensure those urges remain base and animalistic. Human sexuality exists for more than base animalistic breeding in the more developed of the species.
If you are such a simple fuck, perhaps try living up to your own standards first, and not being a bunuch of aggressive violent tribalists.
nah I prefer sponging off the comforts that my society offers. My mortality restricts me in investing in anything substantial or long term
I'd prefer base pleasures and good times
fucking repub retards; we should go all out left.... maybe some form of socialism....
History major here
You can't fault them for not adapting to the local culture, rioting in the streets and barricading them with garbage is about the most Parisian thing in existence.
How do you explain to lefties that humans are inherently violent and greedy and that if you can't adapt to it you will inevitably die off?
Serious question..I'm completely against violence but that's how the world works.
You fucks created the patriot act, the biggest most egregious destruction of the constitution in US history.
Yeah, it sucked when the guy you didn't like enforced it as written, didn't it?
sucks that your black king didn't repeal it, huh?
>1 sentence in
>another american retard who doesn't know what a fascist is
>fascist = authoritarian
>fascist = totalitarian
>fascist = autocrat
Fascists can be those things, but those things are not fascism.
sick burn, that really disproved his argument that greedy people take advantage of trusting idiots.
>impose strict ideology and authority to ensure those urges remain base and animalistic
Repression is a silly meme. Not even the Puritans expected flawless restraint. We can't all end up like Angelo from Measure for Measure after all. The full understanding of humanity is that we are a collection of animal urges coupled with the good sense to control them. The good sense of control must win out virtually all the time, but still not quite always. For those moments where pressure must be vented, pro-social institutions were made. Holidays in exchange for labour, marriage in return for chastity.
But the crux of your misunderstanding is believing that a person who lives a life of discipline will somehow become broken and controllable by it. Most likely you've been told that the church invented the deadly sins to make a psychologically weak populace that was easier to control, which is also a silly meme. The sins represent animal urges, which are addictive by nature. For that reason alone the idea that a person can indulge in them and then be MORE free from control is as stupid as thinking that someone who has sampled heroin is more likely to "just say no". Obese people do not look like that because they decided one day they'd had enough to eat, and if you walk up to a fatass and a man who has only ever indulged his hunger on holidays and tell them to obey you or starve, it won't be the fatass who stands his ground because he's done all his eating anyway.
Vice is like that. The more you taste it the hungrier you get. That is why we demand that people learn to control themselves before someone else does.
What do you expect when the US doesn't bother teaching political faggotry, history, philosophy or anything that would make people functional citizens.
All any of these tards are taught is a binary system of [whatever appealed to them in their teens]: right, everyone else: wrong.
Only thing for it is civil war.
How do you explain all of these bait threads?
how long till your shift is over, shareblue?
>I don't want to know about it, I don't want any of my money going to support our fund it.
you dont want to spend money on people being gay or transexual, since when did you pay anything? this is point blank retarded republican bullshit logic.
Now, you ARE aware that there are currently no civilizations under the belt of liberalism? Liberalism has only ever been produced by civilizations during their times of decay.
Liberalism is quite likely the most prolific civilization cancer there has ever been.
I'm a republican that doesn't believe in God, doesn't support Israel, carries a gun every day, and won't talk to you very long if you're an idiot. What category do I fall into?
lol where do you find these bullshit charts?
also. " the economy" lul. like this effects anyone that has less than a billion dollars.
"the economy" changes all the time, and most working class folks like me cannot effect the changes that take place.
more retarded republican bullshit logic.
Most people, including republicans, are reasonable and wholesome folks. they have their own justifications for their views, just like you and I do. the crazy ones are the ultra-progressives and the alt-righters: Everyone else is normal. I'm a dirty liberal myself, but everyone is human, and most humans are pretty OK
In case you aren't observant, here's why people will never live in your commie fantasy land:
>unequal motivation for achievement
>unequal genetic predispositions
>unequal will to survive
>unequal genetic gifts
now go fuck yourself.
i don't think they're morally fucked up; i know they want to be good, that's what these people use against them. They're mentally fucked up, that's all.
>Therefore evil Marxist Communist
>reason and logic
There's your first problem.
I was reading about the case of Emmett Till, and how basically the entire state of Mississippi changed its view of the facts of the case, the status of race in their state, and the merits of the individuals themselves (the murderers going from being white trash criminals and assholes to being glorified as heroes in MS press) almost overnight once national media got hold of the story. All the Mississippi and local county papers condemned the killing and called for reform in race relations, but as soon as the northern states started passing judgement, boom, opinions went completely 180.
The sheriff in the case reversed his testimony and literally changed the facts in the case once this happened. It's like the kind of rabid tribalism you'd expect only in the most remote jungles of New Guinea... and even then it would be surprising.
>Strider changed his account after the comments made in the press about the people of Mississippi, later saying, "The last thing I wanted to do was to defend those peckerwoods. But I just had no choice about it."
He literally let murderers go free because he had "no choice about it." What the fuck does that mean? And he wasn't the only one in Mississippi to use the words about the case, and definitely not the only one to use the words when talking about defending other cases of lynching, or tribalism on any other type of politics -- it's just incredible that a lot of these southern states have this particular brand of anti-northern anti-urban anti-outsider anti-change tribalism still so deeply ingrained since the Civil War.
Democrats and Republicans both campaign on valid ideals of improving and maintaining the well-being of hard working people
Then they do whatever the highest bidder asks them to
I don't understand why people who consider themselves "Democrats" or "Republicans" (or at least, any who pays taxes) can continue to believe their party believes what the party says.
Poor communities stay poor, people are brought into the country en masse to be used as cheap labor, debt sponges, and new voting blocs, and people with the same goals and motivations are divided over dumb issues that affect 0.01% of the population
Not to be an edgy centrist fag, but these threads are as retarded as 25% of BOTH parties' voter bases
and if that person cutting the dick off their son was a republican, you might find an entry into this thread.
go back to your trailer.
(capatcha: all pictures with pickup trucks)
poor people stay poor because they're failures. i was raised by a single mom who had to work two jobs, and sold tupperware on the side. She didn't just sit on welfare like lazy niggers.
They get free education, welfare, wic, a lawyer when they inevitably run into the law, and have the use of all public services. What more could we possibly do for these fuckers?
wtf is misleading about that? she got raped and murdered by a pack of mudslimes. Strangled to death actually, maybe while being fucked. It was probably pretty hot tbh famalam.
is morality defined by the most happiness for the most people?
I think the problem is that we haven't moved past the true premise of the united states, which is that everyone involved is playing a game where there is no cap on the maximum returns, and failure means you die in the street or in jail
With no social safety net, the dogs at the bottom get squeezed until they are cornered and have nothing better to do than lash out at the system and cause chaos
With too many social services, no one at any level of the system believes they are getting their "fair share" even though 50% of Americans pay NOTHING in income tax. The "middle class" obviously gets shown that it is better to work for their master than life the empty existence than the beggars on the street, and the people who collect checks all year for doing nothing continue to breed, and the number of infirm and inferior continues to increase.
Both lead to the eventual destruction of the system
there's a solution to that problem; i dunno how final it will be though.
also why is it everyone who believes that people "should be able to afford" college and "should be able to afford" healthcare and "should be able to afford" a suburban home have to learn the same damn lesson with every asset class:
increasing availability of loans increases the market price of the asset WHICH THEN NEVER GOES DOWN
In 2002, Communist Party USA PAC leader Joelle Fishman reported CPUSA uses the Congressional Progressive Caucus as “an important lever” to “move the debate to the left.” A February 2, 2010 Communist Party USA article “Convention Discussion: A Time to Grow” explained they plan to meet their goals by running for office “within the auspices of the Democratic Party” because “conditions rarely if ever allow us to run open Communists for office.”
The same article praised Obama’s election asserting, “We have the opportunity to build something big, a large, influential and effective Communist Party USA. After the incredible movement to elect Barack Obama, more far-reaching solutions and socialism in particular are back at the dinner table for discussion.”
yes, let's hamstring the most successful people of the world by making them pay for the human cockroaches of the world endlessly breeding..
hmmm maybe some lady liberty stuff? they say she was supposed to be arab now right?
so what do you consider morality to be? What do you use to define good?
their economies start to stabilize. their standard of living reaches our own. they start to transfer naturally to not having 10 kids because they don't have infant mortality fear. hopefully they don't burn too much coal but eh. my first concern is for humans.
trading is fine; deleting borders is not.
what can we do to nations like this? we'd have to invade and impose martial law; and force them to work under threat of punishment. The only black nations that work are ones like... uh... is it Rhodesia? I don't remember the name but they're basically run like a military. That kind of order is what's necessary for savage types.
Do you ever consider that that may be a wee bit of a complicated question?
You don't have to read the entire history of philosophy ever, but you should get a grasp of the broad spectrum of how thinkers have approached the question of morality before giving some "obvious" absolute solution. Start here: plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/
They're not universally. This time they get a definite Nixon and if we'd won I'm calling it a coin flip that ours would have turn out weird in some international money transfer of her own
sure dude, keep working that line maybe it will stick in a few shifts.
You don't do anything. And there are multiple countries in Africa that are "ok". I'm not saying they are perfect but they are certainly leagues better than Zimbabwe. But then, so is basically everyone since Zimbabwe is quite literally the bottom of the barrel.
Not allowing someone to speak at a private institution OR simply not listening to what that person has to say IS NOT a violation of that person's right to free speech.
in 6th grade I decided I would be the most moral person I could; I wanted to set an example and help make the world a better place. ive spent over 20 years since then figuring out what that means. I'm still not sure, but I'm 100% certain it's more than you do.
oh, yeah, except now, it's the Jews who put Trump in power... though, before it was /pol/ 100% behind Trump.... So, fuck you, goyshit.
>Reason and logic
Not in THESE United States!
When you have a country under a Stalin-like dictator-for-life, yeah, things get fucked like that. December's threatened invasion, then invasion of Gambia by its AU neighbors because of cancelled elections was exactly to prevent something like this.
If the USA had no military and was just a sliver of land across a river like Gambia, you can bet we'd have been threatened with invasion as soon as Trump started saying he'd only respect the results of the election "if I win."
Literally just got told by a Republican that they deserve Federal Financial Aid for college but they expect for it to be cut once they are paying real taxes on a real job after school or they'll be pissed. Fucking hypocrites.
>doesn't force americans to pay for someone else's irresponsibility
>it's just religious zealots wahh!
>How do you explain to Republicans with reason and logic that they are morally fucked up?
Call them Nazis
Put on ski masks and attack them without warning
Loot a Starbucks
Torch a Limo
Celebrity Youtube videos
I never said anyone was a zealot. But it's pretty well-known that Republican politics is deeply rooted in religious teachings.
Personally I don't think that is a good thing on principle but that isn't to say good laws can't come from the Bible either.
Also, that image is fucked.
yeah, that really proves shit. Meanwhile, in reality....
fuck yourself, Cuntface McCumlips.
do you realize that man has accomplished more than you ever will? and that that shirt was designed by his female friend and he wanted to wear it to make her proud?
Killing 30 civilians and a Navy SEAL on a botched military strike, particularly when there wasn't strong evidence to justify a strike there to begin with, is morally wrong.
It is also this sort of stuff that breeds anti-US mindsets in the middle east. Which is not productive.
there has never been a more pro-Israel president. weep filthy goy tears, shit-stain.
u shareblue guys are good company, no lie.
You've spent over 20 years and the best you can come up with is "The most happiness for the most people"?
If you want to be a Utilitarian, there are concepts that go beyond one's state of happiness at a given moment: opportunity, self-determination, the state of those around you, mobility and marginal costs, etc.
There is also accounting for those who don't fall into the group of the "most people": do they actively suffer or are they just not happy at a given moment? Is there fluidity and mobility between the groups, inter-generationally or otherwise? Are people purged to make the accounting work?
That's not even half of the issues that one has to deal with to get a system of morality WITHIN utilitarianism. If you allow yourself to consider any philosophical system, then you're in for a rich world of considerations.
What's that liberals don't like drone strikes anymore?
That's odd you loved that shit when Obama bombed that wedding in Yemen.
i was just asking if that's what you thought mein neger.
>I wanted to set an example and help make the world a better place. ive spent over 20 years since then figuring out what that means. I'm still not sure
Let me help you
You can make the world a better place if you fuckin' stop trying to make the world a better place.
I never said I was liberal. Nor do I condone the killing of civilians regardless of who the president is at the time. It's disgusting behavior and doesn't help anyone, it only makes things worse for everyone.
From everything I've read, it was 30 civilians. If you have a source (that isn't Breitbart) then I'm all ears.
Also, we're not at war with Yemen.
>Churchill would not approve.
Churchill was pretty racist and nationalist dude.
Then again he was also strategic and pragmatic, and the ban is fundamentally counter to our strategic interests and caters to populist furor instead of an actual problem, so yeah, I'd agree that he wouldn't approve on those grounds.
Fucking thank you for explaining this so damn coherently. A small amount of degeneracy is acceptable for the body, not necessary but tolerable. It is important to keep those tendencies in check. We just don't really have an effective way of doing that so far. I think the prison system has pretty obviously failed and I'm not sure what kind of system of enforcement would actually be effective and not just encourage worse actions (alcohol was made illegal and just encouraged more lawlessness). Are we lost without any way of regaining cultural strength?
Quite the opposite, Snowflake.
Most people who "want to make the world a better place" are arrogant cunts who want to impose their will on others.
Try making YOUR world a better place.
>funny the trump supporters are the most tolerant ones now
seriously how is this real. the left just opened its arms to insanity and this is the result. Their moves follow no logic.
the gulf,,cons on top of one side of the grand canyon,
democrats on the hell side of the marianas trench
no explanation forya bud,nuthing noway nohow,is gonna explain whence 'morals;' to you.
every guide post for us,hails back to runnemede C 1215,which to you is gibberish balderdash horsepuckey
politics as you see them,is tower of babel to us,, and vice versa
so,,,,,,,,,,,either launch an attack with your army of leftists,shut up,or keep expending futile calories for the next 4-8 years,,leftism is your chosen religion,,it has been out on the run by the brits bailing from the
EU, aka,rule from brussels by the belgian poodle of internationalist egalitarians defeated in the US elections,about 1205 times in the last few years. how long will germans tolerate their women and kinder jumped and legs forcibly spread by horndog moozie cucks.
ditto the aussies daown undah,
you damn fools have done it to
he's got a point though; you can't focus on the world unless you are a genius. it's much better to just make your life a better place, it will have a ripple effect.
I though Lincoln said that.
i think the powers that be may have done it intentionally; they are showing us the danger of idealism so that we accept the rigged game we have now. Honestly, if that's the case, it worked perfectly.
when i first saw it, i thought it must be fake, but nah JFK knew what was up. I mean you can't look at pictures of nazi germany and not be impressed. and those uniforms! fuckin ace.
>that they are morally fucked up?
This is the problem with libcunts - they can't comprehend that there are different opinions and different perspective. For them everything is either "good" (themselves) or "evil" (everyone else).
I believe Democrats are wrong in many things, but I don't think they are evil or less moral than me.
Only sith deal with absolute.
Well yeah, I do. I see CNN, The Guardian, ABC, BBC, a few Yemen-based news, etc with just a cursory look.
Besides, I wasn't trying to be antagonistic about the Breitbart thing. But its a shady news source with direct affiliation with Trump, so people need to find their info somewhere else. And from the looks of it, they never reported it anyways.
But since you didn't bother to provide any counter-sources and instead attacked me. I think I can safely assume that it was 30 civilians.
the creation of the universe is still up to debate. Personally i think it's the great spider mother, waiting in the infinite black for us to die, and our souls escape the cocoons of our bodies and float up to get caught in her intergalactic web, after which she devours us greedily.
I think somebody here might just of transcended godhood today.
that's sexes. the gender thing is something teenagers are doing to shock and for some reason it does shock you. teenagers have been idiots forever and you thought tattoos and piercings were terrible before. now you've adapted and realized these horrible mutants are still perfectly capable of contributing to society
We are the good guys.
We are the heroes.
We stand for what's right. We stand for the innocent. We stand for the victims. We avenge the fallen.
We are on the right side of history.
You stand with disorder, violence, chaos and evil. There is nothing good about you.
You work to silence free speech, to dissolve border and to destroy nations. You are the enemy of the family unit and of Democracy.
i am 99% certain I am a favored prophet of God, give me your queries.
I never said any one site was definitively good. Just that Breitbart is not one of them.
You wanted sources that weren't The Independent and you got them. You still have yet to post your counter-argument that the 31 deaths didn't occur. Since you haven't and clearly won't, this discussion is over.
As an unbiased party I just want to say that people need to realise how comically hypocritical they are.
You can't generalise a massive group and then call them bigots for subscribing to alternate beliefs that are multifarious by nature.
Clinton destroyed the housing market, making it impossible for the middle class to own their own homes.
Obama straight up destroyed the middle class
You're not very good at this.
no, we don't want to go to jail or pay fines because we don't want to remember your fictional pronouns.
morally fucked up=\=not following your train of thought. There are ways of thinking that aren't yours. One day, you'll grow up and accept that regardless of how offended your gender studies professor and social media tell you to be that those people dont effect you and its up to you to run your life and be successful.
Even King Cheeto admitted you're wrong.
>Decide to watch a new TV show from the creators of the Matrix.
>Hear a lot of good things about it
>First scene is a black bull dyke fucking a "transgender" man in his artificially created surgery hole vagina with a rainbow colored strap on dildo
And this is what the left calls "normal"
When you elected Trump you didn't just defeat Clinton, you helped turn the tides against this sort of cultural decline and deviance.
Anyone who supports this disgusting deviance is the enemy of humanity.
It's 30 civilian deaths and 1 navy seal. You'd know that if you weren't trying to push your "alternate facts". Notice that when I said 31 deaths the last time, I didn't specify "civilian". Both statements are true.
Stay mad :^)
pls, my nigga, i wear a pleated skirt with my japanese schoolgirl outfit.
>posts something that doesnt in any way refute what other person said
Welcome to the left everyone, where the actual arguments and facts dont matter as long as you have the ability to shout at your opponent longer then they care to shout at you.
Pretty easy to maintain stamina when you are just spewing random shit.
actually it has a lot to do with relligion. Islam is the shittiest tier of them all. Literally, one must be retarded to believe this tremendous pile of bullshit. So fucking retarded to rape, kill a girl, and get caught because of using her mobile phone.
Muslims are truly retarded.
yes 31 you are correct. You say civilians. I say terrorists. either way oh well. You arent changing the next 8 years with false narritves on 4chan. Best of luck with your evaporating welfare
>Increased the debt to 20 Trillion
All I've stated was that Trump issued a strike that killed 31 people, 30 of which are civilians and the other a U.S. Navy Seal. You just agreed after fighting me for the past 20 minutes, the only one pushing a "false narrative" up until just now is you, mon ami.
I also find it hilarious how you call the U.S. Navy Seal a terrorist.