I need an explanation from the anti-gun faggots from Europe,

>>721249304
It doesn't make any sense to logical people, OP. Those libs are just too caught up sniffing their own farts.

>>721249304
The quote was actually not said by the General at all.

Also, the fact that you're gloating over a Hillary loss when our country is in shambles speaks volumes on your maturity.

I am actually a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment, but your childlike attitude is frankly retarded.

Git gud, faggot.

>>721249304
Didn't take an invasion to paralyse the US. Few guys with Stanley knives shouting Allahu akbar

>"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII

I don't think he actually said that. But please prove me wrong.

>>721249808
>>721249887
http://www.skylighters.org/quotations/quots6.html

And I'm pretty sure he was an Admiral.

Google is amazing...

>>721249808
no one said he was a General, dumbfuck. lern2reed

>>721249808
No shit a general didn't say it. It clearly says Admiral, you enormous idiot. Quit trying to re-write history with your muzzie-loving liberal indoctrination bullshit.

>>721249304
>Explain yourselves, also consider this quote for a moment.
I have considered the quote, and come to the conclusion that as it is over 70 years old, it is a pile of shit

>>721250128
>http://www.skylighters.org/quotations/quots6.html

I've heard the quote before, but it's not true.

You can't just pull some crap from some sketchy website and expect it to be true.

>>721249304
Guns in the hands of civillians isn't the same as an army. Also the gun laws of countries that Russia invaded aren't the same as France, Germany, UK, etc. Do a little critical thinking or, even better, research.

8/10 bait.

>>721250524
>implying the quote is irrelevant because it's 70 years old

Wonder why no one's tried it yet....in 70 years. Hmm..

Also Socrates said the sky was blue over a millennia ago, does that make it any less true?

>>721249304
Regarding your pic; as Hillarious as it is, to be more fair, I think it would be full of childish SJWs. Then they would still riot and attack Trump supporters.

>implying America would be invaded instead of just nuked from afar.

>>721250713
>Do a little critical thinking

I have, all I see from you is whiny excuses, no actual refutation of my claim.

>>721250482

Calling someone a Muslim loving libfag doesn't make your bogus quote any more true.

And for the record, I own/love guns.

>>721250687
It amazes me that people this day and age do not use google. Yes, it's impossible to find out if this person truly said that, since they are dead. But there are many websites that feature that quote and state it was said by Yamamoto.

That quote still holds true. The central valley of California is made up of mostly farmers who are big supporters of the 2nd amendment. Once the first wave gets past the bay area pussies and into our valley it's all over from there.

>>721250723
>Wonder why no one's tried it yet....in 70 years. Hmm..
Because you have a fuck off massive military, and are important trade partners with everybody. The fact you all have hunting rifles and <90 IQ has nothing to do with not being invaded.

I am right wing and probably have the same political agenda as you, and believe people should have guns for sport and self-defence and stuff, but holy fuck are you retarded with that statement

>>721250983

Still thinking that quote is true... OK, now I get it, you're a troll.

>>721250786
US has been being invaded for centuries. anyone and their dog can just walk across the boarder

I live in London and in twenty years I've never seen a gun. It feels like unless you're involved in gangs there is almost zero chance of ever being a victim of gun crime here.

In America, not so much. I literally would never go to America because of the chance of some retard shooting me.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/since-you-aint-got-no-money-769178

>>721251048
Any proof it's not? Yamamoto was a wise man. That is a wise statement. It fits.

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>>721250983

Pic related, OP.

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>>721249304

I'm from Boston, which may as well be Europe to most of y'all pigfucking fucknecks.

You are a bunch of backwards retarded hicks with your guns. We manufacture them in Springfield and Hartford then sell them to you so you kill each other off. It's one way of controlling the surplus population and keeping the average IQ of the Confederacy from dropping below 60.

>>721251005
None of this post explains why no one's had the balls to try and invade.

>America pisses everybody off, we hate them!

>But when my card gets pulled, we don't have the balls to invade because....uh...trade or something.

Fuckin kek.

>>721251292
Gun manufacturers making guns for their customers to kill each other? Great business plan...

>>721251177

You dingus, the burden of proof is with you. We don't have to prove he didn't say something, you have to prove he did. That's how history (and the law) works.

Do you also believe the bible "because God said so"?

>>721251123
>I live in London
>almost zero chance of being a victim of gun violence
>but you'll get stabbed and mugged on nearly every corner

Ok, sounds great.

>>721251424

Expanding on this, google the quote followed by the word "fake", and there are numerous websites claiming that the quote is fake.

>>721251292
I'm OP. I'm also from Boston. Kek

Do not act like your backwards-ass anti-gun ideology is the norm. It is not.

Putin is invading?

>>721251436
shit, im going to book my next vacation to london! that sounds wonderful!! I'll probably go to scotland first so i can have some fun before i end up dead in shitty english hospital

>>721250524

>just because something is old, it's shit


Then I guess the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, and Bill of Rights are all shit since they're WAY older than 70 years old.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/house-votes-to-scrap-obama-rule-on-background-checks-for-gun-ownership-a7560421.html

> be murican, get shot

ITT: liberal dipshits ignoring the substance of OP's post and arguing what some dead chink did or didn't say

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>>721251410

It is if the point is Yankee supremacy rather than making money, inbred halfwit.

Someone has to kill off all those lil' products of incest you make in your trailer parks, otherwise you'd outnumber us 2 to 1 by now.

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>>721251601
No I not invadingz. It has been our land forever, we were just letting you borrowz it for a couple yearz, but now we are back!

>>721250713
Tell that to Vietnam

>>721249304
>ill shoot you if we disagree, you liberal entitled millennial piece of shit!
>w-why do you want to take my guns? I just don't get it!

You are going to shoot on tanks?

>>721251562
We could argue this point until the sun implodes.
Yamamoto is dead, killed by an American.
Regardless if it's fake or not, the quote still holds true. You could try to invade, but we're not France.

>>721249887
Wars aren't won on the battlefield anymore, faguette. Live in the now.

>>721251087
a few mexicans walking across a border is not an invasion, retard.

and neither are people flying over from where ever. especially when we have an open arms policy (or at least used to).

>>721249304
>being this Amerifat lul

>>721251865
But france had that big wall with guns and shit that stopped germany from invading, soon the US will have such a wall! oh wait...

>>721249304
>thinks Trump won't take his precious guns

>>721251707
Who is "us?" There was quite a bit of inbreeding in the UK as well. Tiny island, tiny gene pool. Probably why most have bad teeth.

>>721250786
>implying America wouldn't launch its own nukes in retaliation and fuck over the whole world

>>721251987
>10 of millions
>a few
pick one jewniggerdicklickingfaggotcommunistsissytrappedophilebeaner

>>721251338
Name a single relevant invasion since the end of WW2. Any sandnigger, slav or asian countries don't count.

>>721250128
>>721250131
>>721250482
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto
suck my dick.

I actually understand why the EU and AU don't see gun rights the same way we do.

They don't typically have the same problems with demographics like we do in the US. Cops can't show up in a split second when you're getting robbed or yanked out of your car by a gang of black kids.

>>721250524
http://www.azquotes.com/author/16018-Isoroku_Yamamoto

>>721251826
Look outside your window or turn on the news then get back to me, faggot. :^)

>>721249808
"our countries in shambles"
so you're admitting barry sucked as president then?

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>>721249304

meanwhile, in America

> Europe sucks! We're so superior!

> Look at these stupid cucks with no guns

> Oh shit, Putin's installing a sockpuppet in the whitehouse

mfw

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>>721251087
>invaded
mexicans walking over your shitty unkempt border is not an 'invasion' fuckwit. How about you go shoot up a school or something, like you americans do.

That is, if you're actually able to make it outside without having a heart attack.

>>721249855
yeah I remember that. didn't leave my house for weeks.

>>721249304
That's what you have an army for, dipshit

>>721251910
>>721252044
>>721252123

More vague "ideas" and name-calling, no actual rebuttal to my post. Can you people not form intelligent thought or what? Could it be that you cannot logically refute my OP?

>>721251584

Guns have their purpose, faggot. It's great fun to send a crate full of Armalites across the pond with Tiocfaidh ár lá stamped on it. It's fabulous fun to sell a bunch of semi-auto weapons to inbred mouthbreathers down south so they can shoot each other with them.

But it's not fun to be the retarded mouthbreather.

But I don't think you're really one of us, Johnny Reb.

So how about you answer a couple Boston questions?

1. What do you get when you order 'cold tea' in Chinatown after 3am?

2. Is alwaysbowl north or south? And how do you like to use your deadwood? What if you're bowling for ducks?

3. What do you get on your large pizza from Santarpio's?

Any Bostonian can answer at least 2 out of 3 of these without thinking about it. But it's relatively hard shit to google. Go for it, faggot.

>>721251689
> "Damn liberals talking about gender roles they will kill us all!"
> Of course paranoid schizophrenics with a history of violence should have access to AR-50s!

republicans

>>721251833
Cavalry is but one part of a military force. There's lots of places to ambush infantry, and it's always a good idea to go after supply lines.

>>721250524
shit headed liberal confirmed.

>>721252145

"Us" is Yankees. As in Real Americans. Not traitors. The ones from north of the Mason-Dixon.

>>721252266
>name a relevant invasion
>without including 2 continents

kek, liberals cannot refute my OP, pathetic.

>>721250687
why not? millennials do it all the time.
its a well known quote kid.

>>721250713
sure kid.

Right at this moment i think all Americans should have weapons to kill each other and free the world from this plaque

>>721252494
>still thinking the "russian hacking" was anything more than a "recount 2.0" smokescreen

fucking kek

>>721252754
So you can't name one? So you not being invaded put you on par with over half the world? Who all manage it without guns?

true

>>721250736
actually its a million SJW's with green hair. they blend in so well with the grass.

>>721252646
>namecalling
>you people are dum kek
whew lad. practice what you preach. and im not that anon, but in the year of our lord 2017 its retarded to think that we still use classical military tactics instead of employing technology like everyone else does.

think about it like this. if a terrorist group knew that there was no chance in hell they'd be able to beat us with brute strength alone, they'd take a page out of Sun Tzus book and try to get us to turn on each other and do their dirty work for them. its working like a charm because we're all retarded.

>>721250965
as long as no one else is allowed too.
you forgot this part.

>>721252858

meanwhile, in glorious communist state of north America ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-loosens-sanctions-russia-prevent-intelligence-agencies-cyberspying-hacking-a7559871.html

>>721250983
fucking googletards.

>>721251048
well known quote kid.

>>721252539
fuck you i just walked to my mailbox and only had a mild stroke

>>721251562
google is a search engine nothing more.

>>721252760
>lowkey thinking people will get butt mad over the use of the word "kid"

>>721250736
>childish sjws
>TRUMP WON GET OVER IT KEK CRY HARDER LIBTARDS
pick one.

>>721249304
>>Oh shit, Putin's rolling through my backyard again and slaughtering my family
wut?
If Russia attacked Europe then Germany OR France OR UK OR Scandinavia OR Spain OR mother fucking Portugal alone would be able to squash them. We don't want to fight them, please don't agitate the drunk loon with the knife, and we don't want to fight him even if he's hogging the napkins (Ukraine).

>>721251833
naw we have rockets for that.

your country spend over $500 billion into the military. Why do you still live in fear?

>>721252216
a drop in the bucket. seriously. quit being such a bitch.

>>721252189
never implied that. in fact, that's exactly what would happen. good job, dumbass.

>>721253276
then why are all those countries in nato, they clearly dont need to be, it's nothing but a burden.

>>721251865
try looking in a book. you might find it there.
just pick one printed fifty years ago.

>>721252955
I didn't call anyone dumb. I said you can't logically refute my OP. If you're stupid enough to think guerilla ground troops, in 2017, are incapable of taking and/or holding ground or fighting a conventional war and winning maybe you should read up a little. You're not half as smart as you think you are.

>Isamic state
>Boko Haram
>Taliban
>Al-Qaeda
>Al-Shabaab
>Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters
>Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
>Salafist jihadist

You're just factually wrong.

>>721252663
republicans don't think the schizo should have a gun. they just don't want to have to jump through the same hoops to get theirs.

>>721251655
>just because something is old, it's outdated and borderline irrelevant
yes. thats true with a lot of things.

>>721252050
sure kid. way to fail

>>721253276
Pussies. How'd appeasement work out for you guys last time?

>>721253370
i aint no bitch

>>721252374
in england they like that kind of thing.

>>721253421
>didn't call anyone dumb
>implied it heavily
>"if you're stupid enough, you're not half as smart as you think you are"
Calling people dumb is literally the only thing you've contributed to this thread today. Every post is just you rewording that insult and trying to skate by on the technicality that since you didn't use that word verbatim, that's somehow NOT what you're saying.

>>721253473
Sorry dad

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>>721253519

>>721253370
Then it would be suicide to escalate any conflict to nuclear. That's why it's called mutually assured destruction. If that is a legitimate threat, then you have bigger problems than America. Dumbass.

>>721252649
thinking this is valid. wew lad.

>>721252374
No they just have rampant immigration issues.

>>721253414
We don't want to fight anyone you fucking twat. Wars are expensive and pointless.
We're i NATO so that we can stand together against any and all drunk loons (Russia, Syria, Iran, Libya etc) and say with confidence that if you want to try us you'll be squashed like an ant. It's a deterrent.
And it's not a burden, It's a platform for cooperation on security measures.

>>721253498
Its worked fucking wonders. It was once 77 years ago when it failed, but we learned a lot from that time and it hasn't happened sine. The last 70 years have been the most peaceful in Europe since humans got there.

>>721252663
AND THE FUCKING SKY IS FALLING. DID YOU HEAR ME THE FUCKING SKY IS FALLING.

>>721253447
Well, shit. I guess all this "human rights" stuff we've been enjoying for the past couple centuries is a waste of time, then.

>>721253859
but those countries can squash russia on their own, why would they pay billions to nato also?

>>721249304
You don't need anything, snowflake. I love how you gun nuts act like you're tough but then you throw whiny little fits if you don't get your way. Go cook me dinner and vacuum the floors.

>>721253232
sad post. can't understand the context of two little words.

>>721252189
Tell me friend, how would America launch its own nukes when most of the country is already dead from the nukes we're responding in kind to? Pic related. The entire world considers nukes to be the last option. The US considers them to be the first go to diplomatic threat. In other words, every country treats the nuclear option like the gigantic deal it is. Every country except us.

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>>721249304
>Putin's rolling through my backyard again and slaughtering my family
>American please come save us again because you're the only ones with guns

again, because we're not stupid. most of our people are simply more and better educated and that just makes sense. we have a better school system than the u.s.

that being said: seriously? putin? i mean, fuck ukraine, what about everything else? russia wouldn't dare to touch anything else, they simply needed the krim for strategic reasons and because a lot of russians lived there + it's old russian territory before the fall of the udssr.

they never did anything to us. so your only point in this argument doesn't exist.
what is your point except being brainwashed by american capitalists who tell you that every country except america is a leftist communist shithole?
you've never been here and all you see/hear is something negative from cnn.

we have niggers too here. now more than ever. imagine, we still have fucking few crimes with them and you know what, mainly it's because they can't buy fucking guns like a piece of gum.
turns out lowlifes, criminals, lower people, uneducated people have nothing to lose. so if they can easily buy guns they are willing to commit crimes with them.
in your country it's black people and they commit most of the crimes with guns.

it will never make sense in your head.
because you can't think outside your box.

>>721253334
who says we do?

>>721253859
>The last 70 years have been the most peaceful in Europe
only because each side had 100000 nukes aimed at each other

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>>721249304
>"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." -Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, WWII

that's cute. because that's actually what's going to break your neck in a couple of years.
china.
they love their country. they hate yours.

whereas america is demonstrating against it's own presidents (they hated bush, obama, trump) in a row.
the people hate your army. the people hate your government. the people hate your secret bureaus. the people hate the "cis white" whatever the fuck. they hate violence, are triggered easily, confuse tumblr with reality, want blm, hate the police, want to fight with violence for lgbt rights whatever the fuck that is.

where is your god now? america is the new upcoming cuck country with more traps than the philipines.
you wont matter shit in the future. morw guns when the economy is in more decline will only raise tension in the already dying middle class and lower class. you'll just riot in every larger city while russia and china could win this thing without even touching you.
you'll wreck yourself.

>>721253859
Only because America has been there to prop up NATO and pay for your defense. So say thank you, or fuck off and go suck Putin's dick.

>>721253444
really don't understand much, do ye?

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>>721254045
forgot pic.

>>721253421
All those states exists because we've decided to not invade to control 'shit' countries anymore. We used to do it, like 60 years ago, but then we decided that it wasn't a good idea.
I think we just did imperialism the wrong way last time around, and it's time to give the ol' iron boot a new turn.
If the full might of NATO rained down upon IS then it would be ended quickly. If NATO then seized control of the area with an iron fist to enforce enlightened democracy then that would happen.

Vote Pedro for the Iron Fist of Enforced Democracy!

There are more guns than people in this country. If they were a proble, you'd know about it.

>>721254026
I dont know how to cook and trump deported my mexican cook and housekeeper

>>721254028
Is it worse than using a stale, impotent insult while giving solid evidence of samefagging?

>>721253609
don't let it happen again. I didn't raise a loser.

>>721252477
That's what I thought.

>>721254264
clearly you did.

>>721253859
>stand together against any drunk loons we dont like
>say with confidence, "im a bully and if you dont do what i say ill fucking nuke you"
>deterrent
Only if by "deterrent" you mean "intimidation". You're not convincing people to stop being dicks. You're threatening to kill their population if they don't do what you want.

>>721249304
>pretty much every country besides america agrees that the american gunlaw is shit
>americunts still think theye are right

why do you turds always think you would be the one in the right? Its like debating with a pigeon.

>>721254245
sure kid.
not knowing what samefagging is.
accuses everyone of samefagging.
newfags

>>721254420
OK kid

>>721254339
that wasn't nice. apologize to him.

>>721253961
Because having Big Bad NATO and paying it billions is cheaper than fighting Russia.
Also, we're not paying Billions to NATO. We're spending billions on ourselves in NATO.

>>721254129
Wat? You think France and Germany doesn't fight eachother because they both have nukes? Are you insane?
We're not fighting because we've finally started cooperating. We learned that about international responsibility from you guys 70 years ago.

If only you could've seen yourselves back then. Oh how the mighty have shat their pants and fallen a sleep in a puddle of puke.

>>721254165
No. You guys do spend an awful lot on defense, and a lot of it on nothing and for nothing. We spend less, but smarter. There are several factions within NATO that can take on a country like Russia on their own, but we do not want to.

>>721252612
>Popular Vote
this is why i have trouble believing that shit.

If trump was more tame on his arguments and was overall more careful he could have landslided her by over 350 electoral votes. He could have taken Colorado, NV, Oregon, and Vermont like it was nothing.

No one actually liked Hillay they either hated Trump or hated America.

Go ask people "Do you love America" and then ask them who they voted for. You will be really fucken surprised. It has nothing to do with denying Hillary's misdeeds. They just hate this country.

>>721254488
fail newfag

>>721254389
the millennial mind at work.
wait it seems to have stopped working.

>>721254563
You're the newfag, kid

>>721254389
No. We (NATO) are threatening to murder fuck the military of anyone who attacks us.

>>721249304
Hi there. Australian conservative here. America is obviously vastly different to Europe and Australia for a multitude of reasons and I understand why you want to keep your gun rights. When your government controls the world and has the biggest military force, while your gun isn't really going to help in times of tyranny, it must at least bring a small amount of comfort. Not only that, the herd of stupid people gets smaller every day. On the other hand, the biggest thing our government does is open primary schools..

>>721254556
they hate the way its being run.

>>721254544
>fallen a sleep in a puddle of puke.
better than falling asleep on your rug while praying to mecca like you guys

>>721254087
>we're not stupid
>goes on a rant about schools instead of addressing the actual topic of my post
>goes on a rant about brainwashing to follow up with the classic liberal 1-2 attempt

I can think outside the box. You call us every time you have a problem. kek

>>721253961
>why would they pay billions to nato also?
the fuck. how stupid are you? just google that. you clearly don't know what the nato is and how it works.

>>721254777
nato doesnt work...

>>721254151
>Doesn't know the difference between Japan and China

Holy shit. liberals, get it together. The "muh education" meme is getting funnier by the day.

Yanks still aren't able to think beyond "muh guns"

>>721254912
fuck you muh Bible!!!

>>721254623
>millennial = valuing human life
Fine, fuck it. I'm a millennial. Attacking my generation and not my stance is still ad hominem. Watch this video and imagine thats your mother, brother, sister, wife, or child. Then the gravity of the nuclear option might start to sink in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZsYceH4nM

>>721249304
Im all for citizens owning guns and i think that right should be protected, but how does it make sense for background checks to not be mandatory, mentally ill can own guns, and other ways being made for it to be a lot easier for ANYONE to get guns?

>>721254744
Wat?
Why do amerifags think that Europe has become muslim all of a sudden?
I mean, sure there are more muslims in Germany now than ten years ago. Now they're a whooping 1.9% muslim. woooooo.
And the murder rate of cities like Malmø has gone wild. Now up to 3.0 in 2016 per 100k ppls. Thats almost as bad as a typical american city.

We sure do live in constant fear of the muslim heel of terror over here x|

>>721253072
You don't use Google?

>>721253421
>This just in! Islamic state has managed to defeat ALL of the world's combined military forces but in the final moment of the war the American populace has brought the world back under control with their vast amount of gunz

>>721254686
Exactly. Threatening.

Yet you continue to marvel at how threatening someone might piss them off even more.

>>721255014
>more laws will keep people who dont follow laws from breaking laws

>>721254703
Yah i hated how it was run by Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obomber too, i still served my country under Obama. Leader =/= Country. All of these Liberals live in there AC/Heated houses enjoy the fruits of success of those before them. They won't suffer in life and they will carry on bitching and crying. I wish they could go ask those liberal journalists going down to the middle east how great Sharia-Law is. Ohh wait.

>>721254544
>also we're not paying billions to NATO, we're spending billions on ourselves in NATO.

Wrong. Why do you think Trump is ready to pull the US from NATO? We fund the majority of the entire thing. He asked the other countries to up their contributions from 0.40% of their GDP to 1% and they flipped their shit. They won't even contribute 1% of a 800 billion dollar GDP meanwhile America is dumping tens of billions into it annually. You are just factually wrong, again.

>>721255027
Yes, all i see on the news is muslims blowing up and shooting up europe, clearly it is an issue and you are just in denial, or are a muslim terrorist yourself(most likely)

>>721249304
The fuck are you on about? Just because we're intellectually superior doesn't mean we're badmouthing everything else about your country. I love what it's SUPPOSED to stand for, it's a cool idea of a country. There's good things and bad - as there is with everything.

>>721249887
Why the hell would anyone invade the US with groundforces? The Nukes are way more important than personal firearms. The japs sure learned that the hard way.

And why invade such a fucking huge country? It's like trying to invade Russia. It's pure retardation, even without all the personal firearms.

>>721254988
This is the most libtarded thing I've read all day.

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>>721249304
Do the maths, no sentiment!

>>721255201
>this all or nothing stance is murdering our children in their classrooms
Just because laws won't stop something 100% doesn't mean the attempt is futile. If they save even one life, it's worth it.

Conservatives problem in life is that they're heartless, childish, selfish, and they don't value any human life beyond their own. And the lives of the fetuses they force everyone to carry to term yet refuse to support with their taxes once theyre actually BORN.

>>721255089
You have a president that has openly stated that he wants to kill the children of his enemies, where "his enemies" are a diffuse group of people who attack the citizens of other unaffiliated nations half a world away.

>>721255074
Great so, again, I prove you factually wrong and you libtards flip your shit and go off on all kinds of extremes. Why should anyone take your opinion seriously again?

>>721251865

I never meant to say the quote itself isn't somewhat true, I just meant that I haven't seen any definitive proof that Yamamoto said it. And several websites claim it is unverified.

>>721254988
that's funny I was told it wasn't just last night.
I don't care about your fucking video.

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>>721255436
>If they save even one life, it's worth it.

>>721255336
>more namecalling
These posts are so useless, they're wasting both of our time.

The US doesnt have a gun problem. We have a nigger problem. Im not even kidding, if you take away all the nigger murders in the US the murder rate drops drastically. At least im pretty sure it does, i read that somewhere a long time ago

>>721249304
>Oh shit, Putin's rolling through my backyard again and slaughtering my family
Putin already parked his big ass truck in our yard and all you pro-gun hillbilly fucks pretend not to see him.

>>721255014
laws don't work. look at coloumbine

>>721249304
America has more gun deaths than any other country, including the handful of countries that have more guns per capita. If you want to keep the guns through the 21st century, you need to acknowledge that we have a fucking problem and take steps to solve it. You're right in that guns don't kill people, people kill people, but put some time, money, and effort into the collective mental health so people stop killing each other and themselves.

>>721255584
There was no direct name calling. Come down off your pedestal

>>721255585
someone has to fill up the ghettos anon, and I doubt you'd recommend white people go there.

>>721255566
You don't care because you're too much of a bitch to imagine that those faces melting are the faces of your friends and family. If you can't even bring yourself to watch an animated clip of what a nuclear bomb actually looks like, how the fuck are you going to live with yourself when you actually nuke a country and kill half of its population? Pussy.

>>721255517
>flip your shit and go off on all kinds of extremes

you'd condemn someone going to the extreme to shitpost yet you'd glady post this >>721251655

?

>>721251123
I've lived in my capitol for 10 years now. Never been robbed, beaten up, shot at or any other bad things. I have seen some drunken fights, but never with weapons. There are regular fights going on for sure, but usually only between retarded gangs that arrange meetings themselves. And we have a lot of immigrants here. Many muslims. Crime actually went down in the muslimheavy areas last year.

>>721255626
you mean LOLumbine

>>721254762
>I can think outside the box. You call us every time you have a problem. kek
okidoke. just from my point of view as a german
you are wrong again and i can only repeat what i said earlier. but that's ok, i already knew and called it what you would say and do.
that's why i talked about education but that might be too abstract for you how that could correlate.
english isn't even my first language.

so....we call you everytime....
america even wanted us germans to join your group of buddies right after the 2.WW because you needed more troops against korea because muh fear of commies. so you gave us back our army. after that you needed germany as a barrier against communism and against russia. you needed us. everytime.
you invaded iraq and called for help yet again. we followed. everyone did.
afghanistan, same issue.
i don't even have to say anything. it's always been like this. america wants and needs us to help and we have to follow orders. so your point? america is afraid of communism and leftist governments. because of that fear we have to join each and every coalition against your enemies.

you call us everytime you have a problem
again, your point?

>>721255723
>cries about ad homeneim

>uses ad homeneim

>>721255695
Again with the attempted technicalities. whew lad, 2/10 keep trying.
>libtard
>millennial
What else do you want to call me? Might as well throw the ACTUAL kitchen sink in there at this point.

>>721255626
Is that really the reasoning? Because the laws in place may have slipped up a few times, the thousands of other times it worked get negated?

>>721255364
Considering too that we have 3-10x the population of the average countries next in line, it seems about on par. Has nothing to do with "hurr durr more dangeous" and everything to do with having a larger population.

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>>721255866
Yes. Thats how gun laws work in this country, what little we have. If they don't solve a problem 100%, we shouldn't even bother trying.
>tfw Mateen legally obtained his firearms too

>>721255590
So you want our help or you don't want our help?

Or do you want to talk your shit, then ask for our help to save your ass, then go right back to talking your shit like we didn't bail your ass out again? :^)

>>721249304
nowhere in the constitution does it day that americans can buy any gun they want.

>>721255436
>And the lives of the fetuses they force everyone to carry to term
Yeah those damn conservatives forcing people to get pregnant and actually take responsibility for their actions. How dare they?

>>721255235
You idiot thats not what the spending points in NATO is about.
The wish from the US hasn't been that the other nations in NATO should give NATO 1% of their GDP. It's about how much of a countrys budget should be spent on the military.
The US has long upheld that the other member nations in NATO have spent too little of their GDP on the military, which mean that they contribute too little to the total defensive pot.

NATO in and of itself has a total military budget for 2017 of 1.29 billion €.
Thats total, spread out on the 28 member states. The US has the biggest single share of this and pays 22%, or 280 million €, or 300 million $.

Compare that to what your military spends annually on toilet paper.

>>721255666
[citation needed]

>>721255064
I do. I just don't swear everything I see is true.
before the election someone posted what he claimed to be the transcripts to Trumps rape trial.
the one that was to take place in December.
he said he found them on google.
transcripts from a trial that hadn't even happened yet.
found them on google.
from a trial that never happened.
transcripts that were never written from a trial that never happened.
found them on google.

>>721249304
I'm from Poland and literally agonizing over how stupid everyone in EU is. As soon as i get british passport I'm moving to usa, buy a bunch of guns and a truck. But america today is shit compared to what it used to but still it's the only nation where u have a resemblance of freedom

>>721255747
>crime went down
Are you guys passing any kind of regulatory legislation to make that happen or is it just happening on its own?

>>721255875
Thats homicide rate; murder per capita.
If it was total the only bar we'd see would have the american flag stamped on it.

>>721255665
thank god for that.

>>721255746
Not only did I not post that, but the other anon actually had a logical rebuttal. I know that probably flies way over your head or something, but it is what it is.

>>721256161
most of the muslims went to syria to fight in the jihad

>>721249304
I'm from Europe and I wish we have more relaxed gun laws. Best I can get is a shotgun that can store 3 rounds including 1 in chamber. Fucking ridiculous. Maybe it'll have to take a war to realise people need firearms to defend not just themselves but from threats like you mentioned like Putin being a cunt in Eastern Europe

>>721254906
>Holy shit
to quote yourself, besides the obvious trolling. i don't mind talking about this, i rarely get to discuss issues like this in english so it's just practice to me.

i used your quote which happens to be from a japanese fella and used the meaning quote because it doesn't apply today which i pointed out in the rest of the post. your people are literaly shooting your police. they hate your country/government.

it's ok, just fap to another trap.

my english is getting better and better. thanks mate.

>>721256010
Thats honestly the dumbest thing ive ever heard.

Heres an example of that logic in use

>im not sure if i can get a 100% on this exam, i might as well not even do it and get a 0%

>>721255866
really can't believe you put this out there.

Just finished my .300 Blackout AR build. This is now rifle number 21. Germany ftw

>>721256010
that's how every law works in this country.

>>721249304
We invite as many Arabs into Germany as we possibly can, and still they don't kill als many people as 3 year old kids in the U.S. do by grabbing their parents' guns.

>>721256081
Sorry kid, but if you've never had to live through the trauma that is getting an abortion you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Its time to come to terms with your ignorance, special snowflake. You will NEVER know more about a females body, or what she should be doing with that body, than a female does. That will never happen in your lifetime. They're not all dumb whores who get pregnant willy nilly. Abortions are expensive, painful, and emotionally scarring. Its a big fucking deal, not some form of birth control (that they'd also get shot for trying to get). Accept this and stop wasting everyones fucking time. Your moral conflicts are not anyones problem but your own.

>>721255875
Are you really that dense?

>>721256307
Whats so unbelievable about saying that?

>>721249304
Because normal civilians aren't meant to fight in fucking wars so we don't need guns

>>721256161
Police have more funding, doing a good job working with youths as well. We do have crime of course, we do have immigrants out of jobs of course, but shit is still pretty good. Most people have what they need. The schools in our capitol are also doing a pretty good job, they are some of the best at improving students skills. Kids with education gets jobs, more employed people reduces crime.

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>>721256244
>>721256244
must suck. just bought this for myself.

>>721256036
Why would we ask for your help? You seem content with Russia balls deep in your asshole.

>>721256358
No its not

>>721256111
you sound surprised that a liberal would be full of shit and have no problem fabricating material to push their tree-hugging, pro-muzzie, dumbshit agenda.

welcome to the real world.

>>721256081
There are many ways to take responsibility for ones actions.
Blindly accepting the hand you've been dealt is one of the less constructive ones.

>>721256416
sure kid

>>721256300
Right? And it's only getting worse. Theres a gigantic chunk of our problems that could be solved if we just used common sense. Anti-abortion? Legalize birth control and stop shooting women for trying to get it. No pregnancy, no abortion, no problem. Kids shooting up their schools? Make guns harder to get so a literal child cannot legally obtain one in the first place. These very basic deductions are totally lost on us for some reason.

>>721255290
>Yes, all i see on the news is muslims blowing up and shooting up europe
why would anyone report something lovely and nice instead of a terrorist attack?
besides they aren't doing it for islam, they are also islamic but mainly doing it for iraq/syria.

>>721256477
its a stale argument that makes you sound like a twelve year old.

>>721256126
Why don't you just move to one the more corrupt shitty eastern european nations? Get guns, buy a truck and do whatever the fuck you want. Romania even wants to legalize corruption now... Go for it polandfag.

>>721256492
sure kid.

>>721256610
that's not what my post was about. thanks for playing.

>>721256605
sure kid

>>721256537
Are any of your businesses getting boycotted for employing refugees or is that bullshit logic purely American?

>>721256700
And lets not forget that although murder through raging loon is a horrendous and scary spectacle, it's still only a fart in the bathtub worth of deaths compared to drunken stabbings and negligent homicide by car.

this is just a thread where stupid americans can overuse the same scenarios to try and prove their guns are the best things in the world while rejecting anyone else's viewpoint

>>721256274
And I proved that it does, in fact, apply today throughout this thread. I mean, I don't know how much more plain it could be. I even cited more than half a dozen militant groups that prove that firearms win ground wars. But ok.

>>721256730
I'll help the kid on this one:

Because a civilians payload will never be enough to combat the might of a well trained and armed and organized military force. Where is your fighter jet to take down their bombers? Do you even have a single SCUD?

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>>721251818

They had more than enough time to train those civilians into guerilla fighters.

>>721256930
your point?

>>721251338
It's very hard to invade a country if there is an ocean between you and them.

Normandy invasion in 1944 would not hve happened without England as a bridgehead.

Japan crossed half an ocean to bomb Pearl Harbor so if there is anyone with balls it's them.

>>721255290
>on the news
Well theres your fucking problem. They're not going to show you something that makes you resent your militarys response. They're going to show you war propaganda that makes you hate the enemy. Just like they've always done.

>>721256930
Don't forget "kid". Using kid as an insult is a sign of maturity, I guess.

>>721256706
Okay mr adult, explain to me how removing a regulation that has saved a countless amount of lives is beneficial in any way just because it doesnt have a 100% success rate.

Im honestly mind blown that theres actually people that think like you

>>721257013
some help you are.

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>>721249808
>when our country is in shambles

>>721257061
this

>>721256930
>America in general

Possessing guns does not make you retarded. Lots of guns here in Canada too, oh and I'm pretty sure in Switzerland it's fucking mandatory for every household to have a gun. Don't hear to much about mentally retarded fucks shooting up a school there. The reason why the US is fucked has nothing to do with guns and the second amendment.

>>721257110
but you can't prove that can you.
'cept muh feels.

>>721256686
People are getting even more stupid these days. When you argue that gun crime in other western countries are low, they argue that the US has niggers.But when we say it's pretty good in Europe, they say we are infested with muslim terrorists. There's logic, people are such retards. Adjusted for population we have way way way less gun crime in my country. And our only proper terror attack since ww2 was done by a right wing muslimhater. The last "terrorbomb" before that was Hells Angels blowing up a Bandidos club house. Not much muslims there either. Sure, we can't be a 100% safe.

But there sure as hell is a bigger chance getting killed by a gun nutjob than a muslim terrorist in the US.

>>721256431
but according to libtards, just saying "i feel like a girl today" makes someone literally a girl. Right?

you motherfuckers flip flop whenever it's convenient for you, this is why no one takes you seriously.

>If you don't recognize this male-to-female tranny as a woman, you're a bigot!

>you'll never know more about a females body than she will!

which one is it? you've got your head too far up your ass to realize how fucking stupid you sound to normal people

>>721257236
this

>>721257061
bomb =/= invade

>>721256706
>wanting to save lives is now childish
american logic fucking blows my mind.

>>721251833
You can ask a million Iraqis how to fight an occupying army and its tanks.

>>721257276
so?

>>721257240
I cant prove what? That lives have been saved because of current regulations?

>>721257110
dude. stfu.
he's trolling, don't waste your time mate.
ö
let that faggot be. don't take the bait.

>>721256838
Oh, we have our share of trump loving assholes here as well, but they are in a clear minority. The only place they are in somewhat of a majority is on the comments under news articles... And the smallest of our two governing parties have quite a few retards as members and so, but nothing on a Trump level. And as said, they are the smaller party in the coalition.

>>721257236
I don't think the guns are completely blameless in the US.
Although there are more guns in Canada and Switzerland, very few of them are SA Pistols, or fully automated assault rifles, or SA Shotguns. It's mostly hunting- and precision rifles. Much harder to take out big crowds with that, which is why our lunatics have started using heavy machinery instead.

>>721257357
wow how long did it take you to come up with that?
a whole seven minutes.
we got us an Einstein folks.

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>>721257283
Nice strawman. When transgender rights apply to the gun debate, I'll be sure to let you know. Right now, this entire post is fucking irrelevant.
>tfw even gender reassignment surgery requires background checks and a waiting period in order to obtain
If you want to go there we can, but it will not end well for you.

>>721252145
Britain got fresh genes every 300 years.

Roman, German Anglosaxon, Danish Viking, French Norman...
Don't worry.

>>721257459
I hope he is. Im American though and deal with people all the time that actually have that mindset so its hard to tell when someone is serious about it

>>721257450
wow you got it on the first try.
I'm impressed.

Here is some facts...
Yes US use much more on military. But US does not use all their military on NATO operations. So maybe EU countries don't spend the 2% of our BMP on military as we should, but does US spend 2% of their BMP on NATO operations ?
The point of NATO is not to go to war and use our military, the point of NATO is to AVOID going to war. That is the whole idea of a defensive pact.
So Mr. Trump you stupid cunt, you can give up on NATO if you like, but you will look weaker, because you will be all alone without EU as a strategic partner. Might say "yeah wtf do we need those pussies for?" But for some reason you guys don't even want to go in to a small war like Syria, so how on earth can you convince a bigger enemy, you can beat the fuck out of them ?

>>721257573
sure kid

>>721257573
I didn't build a strawman, I just pointed out the left's hypocrisy for the 1,000th time.

>>721255875
How are you so dumb. Fucking hell.

>>721252374
In Europe, gangs of black kids can't buy guns at their local supermarket.

>>721257422
I'm just saying there's a lot of idiots that don't use logic at all. They just replace logic and facts with how they want their reality to be.

"Immigrants out of jobs" - you fucking lazy cunt. "Immigrant gets job" you job stealing cunt, remove that fucking hijab.

Claims to fight for muslims womans right to wear what they want. Wants to force muslim women to not wear a hijab. There you go, we saved you from those muslim men, now put on a bikini and show us your tits..

Retard logic 101

>>721257008
you're telling me the best army in the world that even got better since that old quote was spoken still needs it's people to own guns because you fear an invasion in america?
your people have so much problems because every criminal can easily buy a gun and go on a killing spree just because you are afraid of a ground war?
people get racist because they are angry at niggers for being the most criminal people you have. they are the most uneducated groups of people everywhere. so stupid white people assume it's because they are black. instead it's a lack of education and the easily accessable guns everywhere.
why study when you can just rob someone? why flirt when you can rape someone? all you need is a glock.
highest murder rates world wide with gun crimes. look at switzerland.
man. fuck you. you're trolling so obviously.

>>721257916
they can't here either. your point?

>>721257553
You might have a point, but it's the scare mongering media run by the 1% ers that had more to do with it. Combined with a terrible educational system you create masses of people that are afraid and also afraid to question authority.

>>721257960
your point? other than wasting bandwidth.

>>721257790
I'm reasonably certain that most of the left don't give a single shit about transgendered people.
They're a tiny minority of a minority, and inconsequential. The minority they belong to as a minority is however pretty loud and obnoxious, and has some support in groups that care about civil liberties and personal freedom. You know: liberals.

>>721257916
you mean steal

>>721257724
Ahh, when all else fails "sure kid kek".

>>721257790
You brought up a completely unrelated subject during a debate about guns. Not only was it totally irrelevant, it's not even an example of hypocrisy.
>tfw even gender reassignment surgery REQUIRES BACKGROUND CHECKS, A MENTAL EVALUATION, AND A WAITING PERIOD in order to obtain
This is easily the shittiest logic I've seen used ITT.

>>721258158
are you happy with yourself, repeating your point? and sure, kid? what more to expect from a basement dwelling american pig

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>>721257526
>Trump lovers
How counter-intuitive. I thought yalls version of Trump was Farrage?

>>721258207
funny you mention failure. your constant companion.

>>721253961
No country pays "billions to NATO". We pay billions for our own defense budget as a member of NATO.

>>721258140
I totally agree. The media has stepped up its sensationalist, fear mongering paranoia lately. Probably because the old school models for income in the news field is dying out. Who the fuck reads ads anyway, right?
So they turn to click bait, which means that we get fear, sex and inconsequential entertainment news rather than actual content.

Also doesn't help that actual, factual news about the current status quo is boring as shit:
Trade works, most people have jobs, violent crime and petty crime is down, life expectancy is high and quality of life is high. Sit back, relax and enjoy.

Who would read a newspaper like that?
I mean, I would. But would you?

>>721258512
desperation is a stinky cologne, anon.

>>721258388
so? do you really think I care about your opinion.
you're sad if you do.

>>721257692
Well, the Americans would be in trouble if they pissed of most countries in the world. If they piss off the chinks, the europeans, latin murrica, japs, koreans and so they would end up with a ruined economy.

And they sure as hell need NATO, not only for soldiers but for intelligence, bases located in Europe and so on. It's also way harder to declare war on several countries. As you say, the whole point of NATO is to make sure we don't get a new world war.

But I do support increased military spending in Europe as well. Not on a crazy level but 2% should be possible.

>>721256431
No shit it's not a form of birth control. That doesn't change the fact that getting pregnant isn't something that just randomly happens. With all the forms of contraceptives around there's no excuse for getting pregnant if you don't want to. Not to mention you could just not go fucking random people.

>>721256620
Getting pregnant isn't "blindly accepting the hand you've been dealt" it's a consequence of actions YOU took knowing full well what could happen.

>>721258207
ignore him. shitposting and baiting people.
stfu don't reply to him, he cums buckets with every reply to his thread.

>>721258548
what do I have to be desperate about?
don't tell me you think I actually care about your opinion.

>>721258604
implying this would happen.

>>721258737
who?

>>721258683
There you have it. "All women are irresponsible dumb whores who should never have sex if they dont want to have kids".

American logic. This is what happens when baby boomer MRAs make the laws in this country. Its all the womans fault. Instead of having safe access to birth control, stop fucking altogether! Hilarious.

>>721255290
The news is some sad shit.
We have the same problems here in Norway: sensationalist fear mongering on every fucking channel.
We even have thousands of people protesting the existence of wolves now because they're scared that the massive population of 28 wolves in a country slightly larger than New Mexico might be a hazard.
Total kill count for wolves in Norway the last milennia: zero people. Actual fucking zero.

>>721251689

>Go to doctor because I'm feeling a little depressed
>Doctor gives me prescription for anti-depressants
>I end up on government list
>Lose constitutional right without due process

Yeah, that seems like a good idea

>>721258875
the guy you replied to.
be for real, the only idiot "arguing" that guns are good without any arguments.
personally i think it's all just OP. he uses the same arguments.
just ignore him. he's just baiting

>>721252374
I'm an ausfag and literally the most danger I ever feel is if a group of drunk guys is walking down the road toward me. I cross the road or just ignore them if someone makes a smart arse comment.

Considering that's what "danger" is, we tend to think people who want guns to protect themselves are paranoid and probably crazy.

Did an exchange to the US and suddenly understood why people want guns there.

>>721259091
it looked like he replied to two people. I didn't know who the response was directed to.

>>721259075
to a liberal, yes it was.

>>721255875
What do you think "per 100,000 people" means?

>>721259075
If you get depressed sometimes, you don't need a gun in the house tempting you to either kill the thing thats making you sad or kill yourself in response to the thing thats making you sad. So yes, its a good idea. If you're scared that a mental condition you suffer from might stop you from having access to a deadly weapon, doesn't that just prove that you're not mentally fit to own a gun in the first place? Obviously, its bad enough to make you worry. How can you possibly guarantee the rest of us that it won't get bad enough to make you want to kill us? You can't.

>>721258683
>Getting pregnant isn't "blindly accepting the hand you've been dealt" it's a consequence of actions YOU took knowing full well what could happen.
staying pregnant is blindly accepting your consequences. Making an active choice about it is dealing with the consequences.

What you should be arguing is that the fetus somehow has a valuable life that should be protected.
Its a big, messy debate that most likely will end like this:
If you think humans have souls, and that fetuses are humans with souls you probably want to protect them.
If you don't think humans are souls then fetuses are a near-random assortment of human cells without meaningful consciousness and abortion is damaging only to those who have emotional stakes in the matter like the parents.

Which means that its really an argument about religion, where in order to reach agreement either I have to convince you of the absurdity of having faith or you have to convince me that something that can't be proven should be taken as true because you say I should believe it.

>>721256126
You want a british passport only to move to America? WTF?

>>721258545
Very true indeed. there's a lot of shitposting in the news these days. As there are a lot of shitposting on youtube.. and on facebook, and everywhere else. Most things that happen are fucking boring, like the fact that world as whole has never really been better to live in. People live longer, are less poor and there are fewer wars as a whole. Millions and millions are getting out of poverty. Earth population is growing, but will stabilize when peoples wealth increase enough (unless everyone goes mormon). We are closing in on revolutionizing health care. A crazy amount has happened the last 100 years, in during the next 100 years most illnesses will probably be solved. People will get regrown limbs, people will get 3d printed organs, age related illness will probably mostly be removed. Even "living for ever" will probably be possible. (not that the last one is a good thing). Im actually optimistic as fuck. We will fucking solve most of our shit. Not all, but most. We will spread to other planets, robots will most if not all of our work for us. Shit will be great really.

But this doesn't really sell newspapers, does it?

>>721258813
No, I don't think so. I think it will work out okay.

>>721252374
It stands to reason that if you have trouble getting a gun, a criminal with priors or possibly a mental diagnosis would ALSO have trouble getting a gun.
>Mateen obtained his firearms legally
inb4 the ridiculous all or nothing logic of "theyre getting the guns through illegal means and laws wont stop that!"

>>721259223
>Did an exchange to the US and suddenly understood why people want guns there.
But wouldn't you have felt safer in the US if you knew that guns were a rare commodity only owned by a few civilians, and mostly cops and military?

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>>721252649
>anti-American haji lover detected

>>721259019
Did you even ready the post retard? I said there are plenty of kinds of easily accessible contraceptives that you can use and if you don't want to use them then you can either a) not have sex or b) take responsibility for the baby you create. Murder shouldn't be an option to sustain your selfish lifestyle. I don't know what it's like in whatever shithole you come from but here you can get contraceptives at any drugstore.

>>721256629
sure kid

>>721259036
Well to be fair, there are more than 28 wolves, but yeah I agree. But the whole wolf thing brings farmers and hunters in Hedmark/Oppland into a massive circle jerk of bitching. Mostly because they are annoyed that wolves kills the elks they want to kill...

And there have been wolf killings the last 1000 year (tenkte du på century, århundre altså?). But no one the last 200 years or so.

>>721259790
>Murder shouldn't be an option to sustain your selfish lifestyle.
Murder can only be done to a person.
Fetuses aren't persons.
Abortion isn't murder.
You isn't logic.

>>721259542
Exactly. Anti-abortion laws are non-secularism at its finest. Some women aren't even religious and they're being forced to live in accordance with the religious beliefs/moral philosophies of others.

Even if you did want to argue that life begins at conception, who the fuck gave anyone the right to decide that THAT life matters more than the life of the mother carrying it? No one has the right to tell you someone elses life matters more than yours, especially not someone who won't have to deal with the kid after its actually born. They only care about life until its born. Afterwards, its a leech living off their tax payer money.

>>721259075
Weren't there like only 75 000 people or so on that list. I promise you, there are millions on anti depressants in the US. Your argument is just bullshit.

>>721249304
>. Given the current geo-political climate, are you still too stupid to realize why we cherish our right to own firearms?

Because with that "right" come consequences we do not want - namely the vast increase in homicide.
and I put it in inverted commas because of the the fact you value that one over a women's right to control of her own reproduction, the equality of races, etc.

there are a lot of things I'd want to see rights for before the gun.

And the other reason is, your guns, or my guns, are irrelevant if, as you put it "putin's rolling through my backyard". No arms you or I as civilians will have any impact at all, on an invading force, with modern arms. So that entire line of argument you have is nothing but fiction, a fantasy of the brave freedom-loging 'murrican fighting off invaders in "Red Dawn".

Its never going to happen. A military force being armed with modern munitions like tanks, jets, and missiles wich you do not own, is the only deterrent to a the aforementioned Putin.

Like many things about firearms, the US' deranged obsession with them (what was your latest law? To let the mentally ill own guns? How could that possibly go wrong?) overshadows all other sane concerns. most of the nations in europe have a homicide rate 1/4 that of the US. a homicide rate with firearms an order of magnitude lower.

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>>721249808
>our country is in shambles

Maybe in your retard bubble. Real Americans are gonna MAGA.

>>721249304
Canada here.

You Yanks (the ones who can read history books, anyway) just don't understand how anxious people are to surrender themselves entirely to the government. They look across the water to the EU, a place where entire governments are owned by the IMF because their ludicrous spending has created a full blown catastrophe, and actually think to themselves, "what a great place."

They're dying to do it. To let themselves be controlled from cradle to the grave because they think it will make their lives easier or better. That the organizations on this planet with such hilariously bad track records of failure will somehow coddle them safely in their bosoms.

Doesn't it sound comforting? To think that you will never have to worry about anything? Food, home, welfare, education, retirement... Nothing. It's all taken care of, all you need to do is give up your autonomy. This is the new world we live in. It doesn't matter what happened every time this has been attempted, this time will be different.

Weak people will always take a comfortable fantasy over a harsh reality.

>>721259432
And it's not like a light depression gets you on this list. We are talking heavier shit really. I actually work on a research project on really messed up people. There's all sorts of crazy things going on there. Those people should in no way have guns.

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>>721260011
>>721259542

Yeah, fuck babies - they don't vote or donate!

>>721259542
>>721260011
Religion has nothing to do with it. Murder is wrong. Just because it's convenient to you doesn't change that.

>>721259902
>And there have been wolf killings the last 1000
Now I was going to say "no documented wolf killings afaik", but I did a new search, using different words to just check my sources (https://media.digitalarkivet.no) and found a death in 1801 that can be attributed to wolves. Damn :/

So one death the last 216 years.
Poor girl :/

>>721259790
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting

This happened at my local planned parenthood in 2015. Women are literally getting shot for trying to get "easy access to contraceptives". ITT men really do seem to think its as easy as making a doctors appointment. If it were that easy, no one would be pissed off right now. It's not that easy, and you should trust the people who have to live through it because they actually KNOW what they're talking about.

>>721260320
>Murder is wrong
Then stop murdering women who try to have "safe access to contraceptives" you fucking autist.

>>721260320
You can read this:
>>721259938
Abortion isn't murder.
If you think that Fetus is a person, I really want to know why you would think that.
Preferrably something non-religious.

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>>721260113
Wow, you're remarkably confused.

>>721260412
Then by that logic it's just as hard to go to church since someone shot up a church. Having one crazy guy go crazy doesn't change anything.
>>721260528
I haven't murdered anyone dipshit.

>>721260145
We are doing great in my country. No deficits, no debt really, a large pensionfund. There are several reasons, we tax our oil rigs with a high tax. The money goes into our fund. Most women actually work. Having two people work in the family increases earnings. "Proud stay at home mom" is very unusual. Kids go to daycare instead (where they learn social skills and language way faster) We don't fucking home school kids either. Unless you are a genius, leave that to people that actually knows what they are doing. We provide everyone with access to higher education, and give you money and loans to help you get a degree. This makes kids smarter and more able to get jobs. That decreases poverty and crime.

It's not perfect here, but it's pretty damn good.

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>>721260548
Yeah, a fetus is just a clump of cells. No reasonable person would try to protect that shit.

>>721259938
>selfish lifestyle
Its the woman who has to raise the child after its born, its the woman who has to put her life on pause, its the woman who actually has to deal with the consequences of YOUR decision to dictate what she does with her own body. So yeah, shes allowed to be selfish you fucking cunt. Once the damn things born, its not your problem anymore.

>>721260811
Cool, what country?

i just read this entire thread for the insults.
i was thoroughly entertained.
thanks guys

let me know when arguing and name calling changes the world.

>>721260783
>people are scared to go to planned parenthood
>people aren't scared to go to that church after it got shot up
hilarious gymnastics you're trying to use here. attendance at that church plummeted after it got shot up, specifically BECAUSE people were scared of getting shot there. My logic is sound, your shit tier analogy is not.

>>721260394
Just wanted to correct it, but we do agree. Most of those wolf haters are full of shit. And they even get a pay out if their animals actually are killed. And they already get huge payouts to continue with their inefficient farms. All of those farmers own a shitload farmgear, shit they actually could share with each other (like in new zealand). And it's not like "norwegian" food is superior to european food. Most of it aren't.

>>721260548
What makes a fetus not a human? The fact that it isn't fully grown? Is a newborn a person since it's not fully grown? At what point would you say a person becomes a person?

>>721261034
Norway. nr 1 on the HDI.

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>>721260895
Except the woman already mad a choice to get pregnant in the first place you fucking mung.