How many of you voted for trump, or didn't vote at all leaving

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I didn't vote for either of them because neither of them deserved a vote, even in protest.
>tfw protest vote is still a vote, no matter how you felt at the time you cast your ballot

>>721058381
>people call trump a nazi
>people call trump a commie
>people dont understand these two hate each other
i actually dont understand. what the fuck has he done to be considered a fascist

Also, i know its b8 but its not about a woman ruling. Its about shitty women ruling. Merkel is ruining Germany and Hillary would have ruined the US.
>you will never be ruled by theresa may

side note
>trump is doing exactly what he said he would do and people are freaking the fuck out about it. i dont get that either

>>721058381
I reluctantly voted for hillary, but now I'm glad she lost because her support base is full of fucking crybabies like yourself. If you don't like it and are worried so much about it, why don't you kill yourself and then you won't have to deal with a trump presidency for the next 8 years while the democratic party tries to cope with the reality that they lost.

>>721058860
nothing, they're just edgy faggots with nothing else to bitch about and these "movements" seem like a good opportunity to go on a bitching trip... their "arguments" literally have no base anywhere near reality, and most of them are the same idiots to whom everyone they know will constantly tell them to grow the fuck up

>>721059098
it doesn't even have jack shit to do with her being a woman, she literally lied to the FBI, was 10/10 involved in some shady business, lied to the world about otherwise petty things, and is quite possibly a war criminal, or at the very least responsible for a number of deaths she hasn't answered for even today

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>>721058860
>>721059138
>their
>tfw people call hillary a nazi too
>tfw people call hillary a commie too
>tfw shes done nothing that resembles fascism yet either

we're all just senationalists using buzzwords we barely understand to slander our "opponents" in this red team vs blue team political climate. none of us have ACTUALLY read up on what those ideologies entail, so the words have no meaning beyond "this persons bad! hate this person!"

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no regrets

>>721058381
Eat shit, Mohamed

>>721059568
seems legit

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>>721059457
This

voted for Hillary, volunteered for Hillary, 100% sure we'd be much better off if she were president today.

>>721059138
its annoying as fuck. im almost regretting my vote towards trump because of this
>im actually not
i do fucking hate that everyone is yelling about how trump is dividing america. yet its the left thats yelling and dividing everyone by being fucking hyper aware of their race and gender.

I would have voted bernie if he wasnt fucked out of his spot by hillary though. I might not have liked everything he had to say but i do like that hes been saying and fighting for the same shit for basically 20+ years. I like that trump is following through with what he said. Makes me smile on the inside everytime i see an article about him making true on a campaign promise

>>721059457
im gonna be honest, i havent seen this. Even when she was still running. But that doesnt mean it didnt happen. Regardless, its not on the scale of trump. I do agree with you on the second part though.

>>721058381
Not the fact that its taking orders from a woman but the fact that she has NO leadership skills she failed as secretary of state and her main argument against Trump was his Taxes... Really I don't give a fuck about his taxes but taxes vs confidential emails leaked and hacked being a danger to our country then lying about it... Oh and Bernie would have been running if Hilary and her goonz hadn't rigged the primaries in her favor he was stabbed in the back by Hilary and the Dems so stfu. I wouldn't mind a woman as long as she is sane and has some god damn common sense but that's not going to happen.
Now that you asked me a question how does it feel to be a supporter of lunitics who don't know how to act like civil human beings and have a proper protest?

>>721058381
People didn't vote for her dumb ass because no one wanted a literal fascist in office, especially not one with a vagina

Basic Tenets of Fascism:

>"Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong.

Democrats: You don't want to sell a cake to a gay couple because of your religion? We're going to tell you you have to or close your business.

Democrats: You don't want to perform gay marriage in your church because your religious beliefs don't agree with it? Don't care. Do it or we'll close your business/church.

Democrats: Don't want to pay for contraception/abortions for your employees because your deeply-held religious beliefs disagree with the murder of unborn children? Don't care. Do it or we'll close your business/charity.


>"Everything in the state". The Government is supreme.
Democrats: Bigger government, more control of individual lives, more taxation. We can spend your money better than you can.

Democrats: Don't want/need to buy this product? We'll force you to buy it or we'll penalize you a few hundred/thousand dollars every year until you do.


Republicans: Smaller government, states rights, less taxation.


We don't THINK democrats are fascists. They are, by the very tenets of fascism, one and the same.

What's with all these shills spamming about trump voters being "ex-voters" etc

All I'm seeing is a butthurt shitposting liberal/immigrant. Like fuck off mate.

>>721059574

>>721059799
im fucking retarded and keep leaving shit out

i consider myself to be a liberal but jesus fucking christ i wouldnt admit it in public. im not anywhere close to these fucking people

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>>721059850
You mean these civil human beings?

Neither side acts civilized when they lose.

>>721058381
it should be illegal for the spouse of a former president to run.

>>721059927
>Democrats: Get Obamacare or be fined, because progress

>>721059457
>done nothing that resembles fascism

>>721059927
kek

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Hillary had just as bad foreign policy as Trump, possibly worse

Trump has opened dialog with Putin, a country with tons of natural resources

Stop watching CNN and learn what is actually happening. Shillary would NOT have been any better. At least with Trump you Amerifags have a fuckin chance. Even if it takes 4 years to get an actual candidate. Not one that was shoved down your throat as "AT LEAST ITS NOT TRUMP HUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUH"

>>721060163
What about other family members, like the Bush family? Trump's kids may one day run too.

>>721058381
I proudly voted for Hillary.

>>721058381
I voted for Trump because letting Mexicans pillage and letting globalists plunder our wealth aren't American values. *Sips tea*

>>721058381
Bro do you even English?

>>721058381
>Science says liberals, not Conservatives, are psychotic

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/11/liberals-not-conservatives-more-likely-possess-psy/

>Liberals Linked to Psychotic Traits

http://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/

>How a liberal bias is killing Science

http://theweek.com/articles/629054/how-liberal-bias-killing-science

>Duke University study that shows liberals portray far more psychotic behavior than conservatives

http://sites.duke.edu/niou/files/2011/06/gerber-huber-etal.pdf

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/biology-ideology-john-hibbing-negativity-bias

>>721060022
Thats the problem. There is no "moderate" anything anymore. We're radicalizing by accident. Each label has negative connotations, and admitting that you side with one more than the other lumps you in with the extremists of that group even though we're all agreeing on the same issues and basically saying the same shit. We're just using different words from different sources and confusing each other with personal attacks on social media.

>>721058381
>We didn't stand up or practice our rights

Literally wut? There was an election. People voted. That's how things work here and you lost. Holy fuck get over it already and move on with your life, you pathetic little faggot.

>>721060642
Average American voter, ladies and gents. "cry harder libtard" is now a political stance in this country.

>>721060601
>even though we're all agreeing on the same issues and basically saying the same shit

No, nigger. We very clearly are not "basically saying the same shit."

>>721058381
I didn't vote for her because she's literally a criminal.

I didn't vote for Trump because he's an idiot.

Maybe if you and your cuck sjw friends did a little more self internalizing instead of demonizing people for having a different point of view, we might have been able to rally and actually get someone much better then either of them.

Fuck you

>>721058381
Im from Canada and even I consider youba cuck.

Hello, Trump for 8 years followed by 8 years Ivanka.

Cucks are soon to be eliminated.

Man up and admit you have zero knowledge of how the world works.... As all anti-Trumpers are Cucks, fags, dikes, weak or just plain stupid as fuck.

I pray to Allah that all anti American anti trumpets are slain by the Holy prophets (pbuh) followers.

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>>721060946
Quit being upset Trump won and start being upset the DNC stole the election from Bernie and gave it to someone who no one wanted. People got upset and the silent majority spoke.
MAGA

>>721060791
Nowhere in that post does it say "cry harder" or "libtard", you dumb ass child. Way to build up a straw man there, surely no one will notice. You faggots do need to get the fuck over it though, that much is obvious. The election was 3 months ago and you've been overreacting ever since.

Stop trying to push some stupid ass narrative that this is on both sides, it very clearly isn't, and liberals are just show the rest of the country what spoiled, brainwashed, half-retarded idiots they are

Muslim HRC supporter lied and said she was attacked by Trump supporters on a subway, assaulted, and spit on. Later arrested for filing false police reports.

http://abc7ny.com/news/nypd-muslim-woman-lied-about-attack-on-subway/1656487/

Black man shot at bar for simply saying he supports Trump

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/27/paul-jones-trump-supporter-shot-at-cleveland-bar-d/

Anti-Trump liberal KILLS UPS driver after mistaking him for Donald Trump

http://downtrend.com/71superb/crazy-liberal-kills-ups-driver-thinking-it-was-donald-trump

Gang of 4 blacks drag Trump supporter out of his car in daytime traffic and brutally beat him

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/20/gang-of-four-who-brutally-beat-trump-supporter-in-chicago-is-about-to-receive-justice/

Gang of anti-Trump black Chicago residents kidnap handicapped teen, imprison and torture him for 48 hours while streaming it all live on facebook

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/01/06/facebook-live-attack-chicago-suspects-in-court/

>>721060862
When you learn how to drop your defenses and stop treating everyone that disagrees with you as some kind of threat to your very existence, you'll see that we really are upset about the same things.
>corruption
>Immigration
>health care costs
>education costs
>debt
>foreign relations

We're just thinking about solutions differently and attacking each other instead of coming up with alternatives. There is nothing productive about "nigger", "cry harder libtard", "we won get over it kek" etc. That shit solves literally nothing. You're part of the problem without ever being part of the solution in the first place.

>>721060862
We mostly are, though.

MOST people don't like illegal immigrants gaming our system and such. The solution is either getting them into the system or getting them out of here, we just argue over which path we prefer more.

There are areas where we differ in larger ways, but honestly when you break things down, we want the same thing but have different ideas on getting to it. The far right and far left just get to be the loudest and along with the media lay it up like we're mortal enemies.

>>721061173
Wow, look at that. An entire post proving the point I made in an attempt to prove the point I made was a strawman. Nice touch.
>links to stories that slander liberals
>no links to stories that slander conservatives
Nice confirmation bias too.

>>721060946
>I didn't vote for her because she's literally a criminal.

i go to college with a lot of people who were in the millitary. Every one of them has told me: "If i had dont anything close to what she did, i would be in jail right now."

whether or not you put on your tinfoil hat and go into the crazy shit floating around her, she is up to weird illegal shit. At least illegal shit. Thats one thing i fucking hated during the election

>why do you keep bringing up the emails, it doesnt matter, its over and done with.

fucking triggering.

>>721061173
this is why there are only 3 or 4 people who know i voted trump. When i get asked i always say "i voted for the person who i thought would run the country the best" conversation usually stops right there.

>>721058860
They've used racist and misogynist to the point of literally losing all meaning, they've moved onto nazi.

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>>721058381
>All because you wouldn't be able to take orders from a woman

>>721061090
>silent MAJORITY
>getting 2,868,527 LESS votes than Clinton
Don't get me wrong, I hate Clinton, but the majority got shafted by the electoral college

Back to pol twatwaffle.

>>721061568
>shafted by the electoral college
working as designed. this is the one thing nobody has been complaining about.

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>>721058381
>All because you wouldn't be able to take orders from a war monger, corrupt, garbage human being.

ftfy

>>721061568

Yes and in the imaginary election where popular vote matters...Hillary won.

Talking about popular vote is idiotic when half of the country couldn't even bother to vote.

Fuck this planet.

>>721061568
>california has no voter id laws
>california has one of the highest populations of illegal immigrants
>people in the DNC literally admitted to trying to rig and cheat the election
>were not a pure democratic society
>electoral college worked like it should

>>721061784
What makes you think that Clinton was corrupt or a war monger?

>>721061568
Nobody talks about the EC until they're candidate loses because of it, then suddenly it has to go.

You can disagree with the idea of the EC (I personally do), but you don't get to act like it's not working exactly how it's supposed to work just because you're choice lost. If you really want it gone, keep arguing to get it removed instead of only talking about it every 4 years.

>>721060791
Stop crying like a little bitch then. Your feelings aren't a political stance, nut up faggot.

>>721061881
>electoral college worked like it should

No, it clearly didn't. It was meant to keep moronic demagogues from from the office of the presidency.

>>721058381
> Though to the non voters we could have had Bernie
When it comes to the word "socialist", "socialdemocrat" or "taxes" americans start sweating, they really panic. Can't take away their money and their freeduhm, got it?
Americans are brainwashed, they prefer working and working and working to pay for healthcare and education, if they ever make it, if they don't then there's porn for the women and crime for the men.
But using a taxed system that's already tested and working in many european countries? Fuck no, man.
at least they stopped the immigrants amirite? After all the immigrants were America's biggest problem

>>721062017
>lets put a no fly zone over syria
>russia: thats a bad idea, good chances we will go to war over this. why the fuck arent you people more afraid of her
>russia hacked the election
>russia and trump are buttbuddies
>russia
>russia
>russia

>>721062277
The EC was made so that every state had a say in what happened in the election so that politicians had to pay attention to the entire country and not just the states with the highest populations. It worked exactly as it should have.

Clinton BTFO

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>>721058381
I'll vote for Trump again, fuck the Democratic party.

>>721060642
The majority voted HRC. Our voting system is so fucked. >>721062359

>>721062359
This

Voted Sanders in Primary and General.

DNC fkd theirselves over cheating Sanders out of what was his and he wouldve DOMINATED Trump in the General. Despite overwhelming predictions that Hillary would have issues with Trump they still wanted her to be the nominee. They got what they wanted.

Trump is a Cancer. Hillary is also a problem, albeit not as bad as Trump, but my conscience clear.

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Spotting a OP whit a social disorder.
Heil hitler

>>721058381
kill yourself libtard faggot

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>>721058381
Feels like Freedom and Making America Great Again.

>>721062509
Try actually reading the Federalist Papers before commenting on the American electoral system.

And no, Russia may rattle the saber but they're not going to risk a direct confrontation with the world's largest air force.

>>721061757
Hes got a point, anon. The electoral college is still solving the problems it was invented to solve.

>>721062509
>SHILLARY CORRUPT LIAR REEEE
>she really WAS going to put up that no fly zone because she was telling the truth!
pick one.

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>>721063292
>fuck the Democratic party.

don't you mean fuck the entire country?

>>721063833
I realize that, although it seems like people too easily forget that it exists or how it works, and then complain when a candidate loses popular vote and still wins EC. Not like this is the first time this has happened.

>>721064005
?

>>721063759
>Freedom
uhhh... Have you been paying attention to anything trump has been doing or what he says he's going to do?

>>721063412

>Complains about EC when it you lose

>Supports EC when you win

Look I don't like Trump but this shit has got to stop. The Electoral College was specifically designed to smooth out the balance of voting power so it wouldn't be concentrated on the areas with the highest population density.

Especially in modern times due to how more people move towards the cities, New York and California would dictate the majority of every election if the Popular Vote decided it.

The founding fathers did not trust the average American to vote for their leader. They knew the average person isn't/wouldn't be smart enough to really understand who they are voting for, hence the electoral college. If anything, the 2016 election shows that they were spot on about that. It's 200 years later and the average american is just as politically retarded.

>>721063890
It's not your fault that your daddy abused you anon. Ssh now, everything's going to be ok.

>>721064178
You know what? You're right. You DONT have jack shit to say to that, because its a logical inconsistency that makes 0 fucking sense.

>>721064139
>Banning terrorist Muslims
>Building a wall for Criminal beaners
>Creating Jobs

Yep doing exactly what he promised.

>>721063825
ctrl+v it to me. theres something like 80 pages and i dont feel like it. EC is not for just getting retards out of the system. Its a division of power.

>>721063890
if it wasnt for the obvious backpedaling and blaming of russia for rigging the election/hacking and the dems pushing for military action against them if "proven" they did interfere i would. Until then i pick both.

>>721064139
well, elaborate. what has he done to take away freedom. what will he do to take away freedom? i dont see it myself personally.

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>>721064139

>Reducing the ability for corporations to lobby their interests
>Putting a temporary ban on immigration from war-torn high risk countries that the Obama administration decided on to give time to re-vamp the vetting system to make Americans safer
>Is looking to make allies instead of enemies with Russia, a country with many natural resources and would reduce the chance of a large scale war occuring
>Tax cuts so more money stays in the hands of the people to help stimulate economic flow and keeping it out of the hands of inefficient bureaucracies

Yeah I have been paying attention, it's looking up so far.

Do you have any legitimate points besides "muh brown people" or "muh immigrants."

Oh and before you call me out for being a racist white person, I'm half Jap, one of my parents grew up there and still has their Green Card. They're not afraid at all since they have no potential terrorist ties and aren't a sensationalizing hysterical fuck.

>>721058381
>hold trump to ill gotten standards
>let hillary slide on everything, including treason / rigging primaries / Email issues / Guilt from association
>trump KO's hillary, recounts confirm even more votes for trump
I love the left is in absolute hypocritical Orwell mode. Accuse all the right even moderates of facism, proceed to be facists little cunts.

>>721064320
Where do you think you are, real question.

>>721064628
CNN go away

>>721064168
Here we go, another "electoral college" faggot.
> so it wouldn't be concentrated on the areas with the highest population density.
And there's absolutely no reason to fix that, hence why there are many countries with nation-wide election systems.

I didnt vote for Clinton, I felt she was untrustworthy and only out for her own benefit and legacy. That being said, I lived in CA at the time, had I lived in a battle ground state I would have voted for her and dealt with my moral hesitations.

>>721064724

Dude, what? CNN would be saying that every point I made is based purely on hatred, misogyny, Islamophobia and xenophobia. Can you read?

>>721064628
>>721064724
im fucking retarded and read this like you were presenting it those were bad things. CNN stay. even though youre not CNN.

>>721064894
i can. sometimes

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>>721058381
I voted for Jill Stein. I wanted a woman as president, just not Clinton.

>>721064786
> I felt she was untrustworthy and only out for her own benefit and legacy.
You felt it because fake news, (oh wait: alternative facts) made it look like that way. There's zero proof of that.

>>721058381
that bitch wasn't trustworthy
didn't vote at all

>>721064775

...What? Aren't we agreeing with each other? We both think that power shouldn't be consolidated into just a few cities/regions, correct?

Read thoroughly before lashing out

>>721059457
Outside of subjectivity, Hillary is an absolute worst choice for americans, espeically at a time when our global tension revolves around ideology that vilifies giving women power. We would have only looked weak. At least they heed warning when dealing with trump. He's diplomatically aggressive, and doesn't afraid of anything. He quickly tries to unify some of the last bastions of white culture and the people are losing their shit. He's undone so much of their progress from the last 8 years, simply by existing, it's only exaggerated by actually becoming the 45th president.
Trump has always, and will always be the best choice.
I'm looking forward to 16 years of trump in the white house. Ivanka is going to crush so many barries, and we'll have at least removed ourselves or pacified the middle east in the next 4-8 years. Or maybe have them under our thumb and work deals with Russians to bleed the middle east of their wealth / Oils / Land.

>>721064616
http://time.com/4575119/electoral-college-demagogues/

Rough synopsis. It's the entire reason electors exist and why states don't just tally up all the votes and call the election that way.

>>721064981
I would have preferred her too, but voting for her in my state would be a waste. My biggest complaint about the EC is that 3rd parties have no chance whatsoever.

>>721060293
I want Taylor Swift to rip a huge beefy fart down my throat. Ass juice is just a plus

>>721058381
>because you wouldn't be able to take orders from a woman
I would have voted for Jill Stein over Hillary. I'm ready for a woman, just not THAT woman. I voted for Gary Johnson, but Trump won my state by double-digits (Johnson and Stein combined for 3 percent here), so you can fuck off with your guilt trip.
Bernie should have been the Dem candidate, and all of us should be checking out of the false dichotomy of Dem vs. Rep anyway. They're almost all warmongering, surveillance-state, globalist authoritarians, no matter what letter is by their name.

>>721058381
Eat shit troll

>>721058381
>All because you wouldn't be able to take orders from a woman
pathetic bait

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>>721061410
Kek
That's 4chan for you.

>>721058381
>All because you wouldn't be able to take orders from a woman
a woman who lied, cheated and stole her way into the democratic nomination

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>>721058381

>>721058381
Not gonna lie, OP. Former trump voter here. This is fucking hilarious watching Trump crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the nuclear codes.

>>721065083
I hear you. Same in my state. I just couldn't stand the thought of having Clinton or Trump on my voting record.

>>721058381
If you can find me a libertarian woman, I'll vote for her. And ask her out for a beer.

>>721065040
>Ivanka is going to crush so many barries
not sure if I want her crushing my barries or not.. that sounds painful but also hawt

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>>721059457
Reading Marx or lenin or hitler or orwell doesn't make you any more qualified about this than the next guy. Dismissing the angst as sensationalism is only going to root people even further into their political assertions, no matter how off base they are. There's no slander when it's factually based, it's ugly truth rather than a beautiful lie. To accomplish great results, we're going to have to accomplish great change. Trump is that nigga.

>>721065083
That's not a product of the EC per se, it's because most states are winner-take-all and don't proportionally allocate votes.

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>>721058381
So which stings more, OP? That Trump won, or that he's done more good for this country in one week than any president has in the last 20 years?

>>721065456
dammit. Barriers. I just picture warm oil all of my balls and her sliding her nude oiled body all of me.

>>721065515
>Knowing the definition of a word doesn't make you any more qualified to use that word.

Wut?

>>721065357
>such repetitive pasta

>>721059138
>>721058860
>>721059457
how much are they paying you faggots?>>721059676

>>721058381
The woman excuse is stupid because there were 2 women on the ballot.

>>721065628
That is true. My state is die hard red, and I don't see that changing any time soon. Especially not now. While I would have preferred Stein, I ended up voting against Trump.

Although, that being said.. I'm actually glad he won now. I didn't realize the democrats were such an embarrassment.

>>721065913
And neither of them won, what's your point faggot?

>>721058381
You act like Hillary OR Obama have for even one fucking second given even the slightest of shits about adhering to American values. If it were up to them, we'd be Germany incarnate right now. Give me a fucking break.

>>721065688
That's a slight contrast. The gest of things won't change, just the ability to baffle retards with articulation. Comprehension, to me, is Nihilistic. It's all moot, considering the inevitable outcome. We're bidding out time to distract from real issue. Not space travel, not walls in deserts; untimely deaths, predilections of comfort, will of necessity.

>>721065913
>The woman excuse is stupid because there were 2 women on the ballot.

Donald Trump acts like a whinny bitch, but he's not actually a woman.

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>>721058381

>>721066059
Meant >>721065700

>>721065005

Accepting massive donations from Saudi Arabia is trustworthy?

Constantly flip-flopping on political stances throughout your career based on whatever is most popular is trustworthy?

The DNC purposefully rigging the primary so she would win is trustworthy?

Sending classified information through private e-mail channels, and telling her main aide to literally smash her devices with a blunt object when they are requested to be searched by the FBI is trustworthy?

Are you just in denial out of blind hatred for Trump? I could see one preferring Clinton over Trump, but to actually think that Clinton hasn't ever been/isn't currently involved in some weird shit is just absurd. Even my most hardcore leftist friends openly recognize that she's done some weird ass shit, it's obvious to anyone.

>>721066039
>adhering to American values
Nigger, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>721065048
>For a long time, I believed that Trump was not a demagogue because he didn’t mirror the masses and because he didn’t threaten governance. But when he began openly posturing as a mirror of the masses and courting unlawfulness and even violence, I concluded that he had, in fact, become a demagogue.

where did he call for violence?

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html

>The Electoral College was created for two reasons. The first purpose was to create a buffer between population and the selection of a President. The second as part of the structure of the government that gave extra power to the smaller states.

>The first reason that the founders created the Electoral College is hard to understand today. The founding fathers were afraid of direct election to the Presidency. They feared a tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come to power. Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers:

turns out were both technically right. I dont see trump as a demagogue though. Hes doing what the people what. thats what a president should do. Hes making true what he said he would do. Hes doing what people voted for him for. Its not like hes saying shit to pander and is abandoning what he was saying after he won.

>>721065769
not enough

>>721065769

Well let's see, the Clinton Campaign spent over 1 billion dollars, while the Trump Campaign spent a fraction of that.

Clearly if anyone is getting paid to do some astroturfing on 4chan, it's by the left.

>>721064616
You can't pick both, you fucking autist. That's the entire point. And this might be a shocker but another country CAN hack and election and be at fault for their actions 100%. It can happen in this universe. There is proof, you don't want to see it unbiased. Thats the problem. You're blinded by your brand loyalty to a political party and citing bias as fact. Either shes a liar, which means she was never actually going to create the no fly zone and "START WWIII REEEEEE" OR she isn't, which means she was telling the truth and ACTUALLY going to start WWIII. You can't have it both ways. Its impossible.

>>721058381

Pissing off under age limp wristed pussies like you is why the people chose Trump. Four more years and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it

>>721064679
in a cancerous /pol/ thread misplaced on /b/, where all the redditers come to "debate" each other and demand sources that they'll never actually read much less refute successfully.

you bring up actual points in these threads, much to the dismay of literally fucking everybody. but it happens so you might as well hear the opposing side.

>>721066155
This. The Hillary lovers who repeat over and over that she's never done anything wrong are just as deluded as the God-Emperor Trump fags.

Now I'm looking forward to an Ivanka presidency.

>>721065083
Voting for her in general was a waste. That woman had a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected.

>>721066606

You're definitely the one who is being autistic. Why are you making this into an either-or scenario?

Someone who lies is not lying 24/7 with every possible thing they say, they selectively lie about things for appearance, publicity etc.

You're the only autist here viewing this through some retarded semantics black-and-white lens.

>she's either always lying or always not-lying, pick one.

This has got to be the shittiest argument I've seen in awhile.

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>>721066617
Ever heard of Impeachment?

do you even your husband, ms clinton?

>>721065515
>reading the source material of those political ideologies does not educate you in those political ideologies
whew lad. this is the first time I've ever seen someone try to claim that reading a book on a subject does not educate you on that subject.

>>721066924

This is the first election you and your college buddies could vote, you'll get another chance to whine in four years. But don't stop, it's too amusing

>>721066880
I know, and it didn't help that the Hillary campaign had an obvious smear campaign against Stein in order to prevent the Berniefags from jumping ship after her takeover.

>>721066854

Don't you love it when one side firmly believes that the other side are blind sheep when they are just as fucking blind?

US politics are a fucking shitstorm currently. All emotion 0 facts.

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>>721066924
Same guy. I voted Nader. And I'm post college. Nice try, dry mouth. Why don't you make like an egg, and beat it!

>>721066924
>Republican Congress
>Impeaching rep president
ya, nope.

>>721066891
>someone can be a liar without actually lying
>your argument is shit and you're an autist
whew lad.

>>721066606
>You're blinded by your brand loyalty to a political party
im left m8.

>There is proof, you don't want to see it unbiased
Then post proof. Until then. No, there was never any credible evidence released to prove that russia ever had any ties to hacking the election. I just dont believe a gov at face value that shilled hard as fuck for such a corrupt person got BTFO and had to backpedal that hard. If there was other than CIA/FBI "agreeing" rather than "verifying" that they had shit on russia then i would believe it. If there was solid evidence then why has nothing happened

> Either shes a liar, which means she was never actually going to create the no fly zone and "START WWIII REEEEEE" OR she isn't, which means she was telling the truth and ACTUALLY going to start WWIII. You can't have it both ways. Its impossible.

so theres no possibility she would have done both? every liar is 100% a liar and every person who has said something true is always 100% true? Ill accept im autistic as soon as you do because holy fuck are you autistic

>>721058381
>communist
lol
that's fucking rich.

>>721066606
Not who you were talking to, but a liar doesn't necessarily lie ALL the time. I tend to believe Hillary when she threatens military action, because she's been in favor of every action she's been consulted on.
In favor of Kosovo during her husband's tenure, in favor of Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, Syria. In military foreign policy, she's John McCain with smaller tits.

>>721067401
This would = true if the entire congress didn't hate trump. Nice try.

>>721067009
Because they're arbitrary buzzword reading material. Marxism ideology is dangerously identical to leftism, so that may help, but the rest is just food for thought. It can apply to this situation in the same way ironic conspirists connect everything to the jews or Illuminati.
You act like those are playbooks for the next 4 years. People are just trying to relate it, it's retarded.

>>721066198
>>>>We have quite literally done the complete opposite of everything our nation supposedly stood for.
Implying that voting for Hillary would be the more "American" choice. Which is stupid as fuck.

>>721058381
she tried real hard

they even stole 5 counties

>>721067407
>>721066155

You're right dude, Hilary has just never, ever lied before. Never lied about a thing.

Always a trustworthy, 100% honest person.

Since you know, you can't be a liar if every single thing that passes your lips isn't a lie, right?

>>721061275
Libtard Fuck face, shut up

>>721067671
Congress doesn't hate trump, man. they've done nothing but congratulate him.

>>721067757
What are these values, specifically?

>>721058381
her supporters are the ones dividing this country RIGHT NOW, and are to laden with hypocrisy in their core beliefs to even recognize that their beliefs and political standings are what caused the backlash that got Trump elected to begin with.

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>>721067820
So did Obama.

>>721067796
Trump lies on a daily, oftentimes hourly basis.

>>721067659
You can't take "favor" out of context like that. At the time OF the Iraq conflict, EVERYONE was "in favor" of military action. 9/11 had just happened and we were all scared.
>during her husbands tenure
You mean a woman stood by her man in the public eye? Shocker.

This is why you can't take history out of context.

>>721067757
the more "american" choice would have been anyone that doesn't sell favors to a shitbag country like saudi arabia.
they're just retarded fanboys for their woman candidate with no thought of her actual record.

>>721067997
not really, He's a little two faced and probably wants to keep the asscioation of being 'classy', but he's on record as anti-trump.

You know popping you tendon like that is just a physical therapy technique, right? It's basically harmless.

>>721067416
>proof
https://www.us-cert.gov/security-publications/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity

Everyone has access to this document. You're part of a small minority of American citizens who think they actually know more about national security than the fucking national security agencies.

>autist reee
not a rebuttal. I'd invite you to try again but I simply don't have the patience. I found all of this shit on google. You're not even trying at this point.

>>721068008

That is entirely true, Trump is known for lying frequently.

Nice deflection though, since the topic was about Hilary being, or not being trustworthy, and how anyone who has a brain realizes she isn't very trustworthy besides yourself.

So it is confirmed then, you have no real defense outside of stupid arguments. Looks like we're done here.

>>721068008
>deflecting this hard
>whew lad.

>>721068128
Let's see, Hillary took money from Saudi Arabia for one of the most successful charities in history.

Trump literally does business there.

>>721068334
I don't like Hillary but she was probably the most qualified person to run for President in US history.

Trump wasn't just uniquely unqualified, he's fucking incompetent.

>>721068097
Ok, I'll give you those. How about Syria and Libya. She's a warmonger, man. Obama, too. The Dems are no longer the party of peace.

Leftists are hypocrite fascists.
They'd rather destroy our constitutional rights to free speech than risk having dissenting opinion.
Leftists are hypocrite racists.
They'd prefer to have someone of color over someone of integrity and patriotism.
Leftists are hypocrite sexists.
They'd rather hire a woman who has NO history of accomplishing anything because muh vagina
than to have any man no matter how loyal he is to the country and all of it's citizens.

When Bernie lost the primary I felt like we were cheated out of something wonderful. We lost out on a 2nd New Deal that would have changed the US for the better. I got behind Hillary after that, eventually very enthusiastically, and when she lost I was, and still am, deeply heartbroken. This is not the country we're supposed to be. The bad guys aren't supposed to win, but they have. It's like we're stuck in a terrible alternate timeline, like a cross between The Man in the High Castle meets alternate 1985 from Back to the Future. What we're seeing today is shameful and un American. I don't know if I could ever have faith in this country again, if we can so easily turn ourselves into a fascist police state. This wasn't just some ordinary election where the outcome would have made zero difference and no one would ever remember it. This wasn't Obama/Romney or Reagan/Mondale, this was the most important election of our time and we failed to protect our morality, our culture, and our constitution, and that makes me very sad.

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>>721068165
>You know popping you tendon like that is just a physical therapy technique, right? It's basically harmless.

ITT faggots try to claim that a liar doesnt lie 100% of the time, and then try to pick and choose which things that liar is really lying about. Hilarious logic.

Shes only lying when shes saying shit you don't agree with, right? That's what were going with here?

>>721068008
I'm not so worried about lies, all things considered.

I'm worried about the blatant, bald-faced, entirely unbelievable lies. The petty, insane lies that mean either the speaker is insane or they are listening to insane versions of reality.


I expected whoever was elected to do plenty of lying over their term in office, I would have preferred someone who managed to be a good politician at the same time. Not Donnie "Up Is Down, Green is Purple, I'm surrounding myself with billionaires who agree with me" Drumpf.

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>>721068165
My point exactly...Obama congratulated him...as did congress.

>>721068361
>successful charities
>Hatti
> http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-email-213110

>>721068563

>I don't like Hillary but she was probably the most qualified person to run for President in US history.

The fuck? More qualified than Trump, sure I'll agree with that. Most qualified person in US History? Are you retarded? Or have just never read shit about US History?

>>721065005
Not why I felt that way. Didnt pay much of any attention to the election. Sometimes you just have a feeling about people. Also didnt like he back in 07 when she was running for the Dem Nom.

I think we all should just have a war in this country and just see who survived.

>>721068279
Not who you're replying to, but if you had read that document, you'd know they didn't provide proof of anything.

>>721068577
You think Trump ISN'T a warmonger?

Lol. Holy shit.

>>721068583
Shill

>>721068713
they are retarded
and completely hypocritical
>Hope and Change '08
>GIVE US ANOTHER DEM THAT DOESNT DO SHIT!!!

>>721068713
Try actually naming someone more qualified?

>>721068577
>no longer the party of peace
That's the problem. They were the ONLY party of peace to begin with. Now no one is advocating for peace and both candidates were calling for some kind of increased military action in Syria. She was just the only one who wasn't calling for nuclear conflict.

Honestly, you can't put Syria or Libya on ANY single persons shoulders. Benghazi was a fucking nightmare, and she shat the bed, but it was the collective failure of her, the administration that employed her, and every higher up that woman possessed at the time. If Hillary Clinton has done anything, its illustrate how well she can follow orders with the right pricetag on them.

>>721068877
Opinions based on observations
>shill
#notanyone'spresident

>>721068637
I see your comparison of duality, but congress has no reason to repress him, Obama is ideologically opposed to trump. Either way, Tan tard is being impeached.

>>721068279
theres not a word in this that ties it to russia. all it says is that dems are so fucking stupid they got rekt by a phishing scam.

this is also implying that russia isnt smart enough to use a fucking proxy to do shit like this.

>>autist reee
>not a rebuttal. I'd invite you to try again but I simply don't have the patience. I found all of this shit on google. You're not even trying at this point.

youre literally the one reeing. assuming youre not baiting me, youre deflecting because you have nothing and you lost.

>>721069081
impeached for?

>>721068361
>one of the most successful charities in history.
Hell yeah, the Clinton Foundation is right up there with Doctors Without Borders, the Salvation Army, and the Red Cross. BWAHAHA
Listen closely: Fuck Trump and fuck Clinton. I refuse to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. They're both terrible people. Kinda glad we got the one over the other, but not by much.

>>721068960

Why make a list of 7/8th of every President of the United States?

Instead of be trying to de-bunk your retarded and hyperbolic point, why don't you try to present legitimate reasoning how Hilary Clinton is the "most qualified person to run for President in US History."

Fuckin christ man.

CTR is all over /pol/ throwing up all over the board because they think they can undo a fair election.
These people are literally mentally ill.

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Bernie got fucked by the DNC it's the democrates fault that Trump is president.

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>>721069081
and who enters office after Trump gets impeached...BINGO.

>>721069230
that's fair. i'd accept that based on that you're giving trump the same respect reps gave obama.
otherwise it's fucking borderline treason how these millenial faggots are rioting and shit.

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>>721058381
>paid shill
> .05 deposited into you cant account
> thank you for shilling for sharedblue

>>721068361
>Trump literally does business there.
most people who have any kind of huge buisness like trump is going to have buisness in saudi arabia. The US has huge ties and we are technically allies to them. i dont agree with it. But, people seem to be overlooking that.

>assuming her gender had anything to do with why I didn't vote for her.

it was her complete denial of any and every challenge she faced, OP. She was a shit candidate, face it.

Ann Coulter I would vote for.

>>721068588
I'm liberal leaning and even I thought Sanders plans were unrealistic. Everyone got so excited when he started talking about free education, free health care, free everything! but it took months for people to start asking "HOW do you plan to do that?" He took months to release that plan and when he did, the changes were so extreme that it never would've gotten passed, let alone implemented successfully. It probably would've bankrupted us to try to switch like that overnight. Even 4 years wouldn't have been enough to make a change as radical as that. And even if it was, it would've been silencing the voices of all these lovely trumpfags you see here today. Their voice matters just as much as ours and they're pissed because they feel like we're ignoring it. And we kind of are, but it feels like if they would just PRESENT it in a different way that didn't devolve to childish name calling and mudslinging I think people would take them seriously. You don't take a toddler seriously when hes throwing a tantrum. You put him in time out and he can come back to play when hes calmed down. Same concept.

>>721061784

>war monger, corrupt, garbage human being.

What...what do you think is in office right now?

That exact thing.

>>721068588
>so easily turn ourselves into a fascist police state
We already are that, and neither candidate was going to change it. They're both fascists, they just differ on what they like to control. Whether it's banning medicine, guns, speech, abortions, or Muslims, authoritarian politicians are all bad.

>>721069398
this is true.
they're hypocrites though who fail to call out the foul play within their own ranks. this is why they failed and they deserve to cry in the corning for four years at least.

>>721068713
>trump was born in the US
>trump is over 35 years old
Hes plenty qualified.

>>721069230

5% to charity and 95 % to pay their aids travel expenses their daughters 3 million wedding stuff like that

>>721069517
>free

>>721067929
Belief in a more libertarian style of government, i.e, as little government as possible to interfere in people's personal lives.

Prioritization of negative rights over positive rights, meaning that the government doesn't prohibit you from pursuing your own happiness, but also doesn't give you handouts.

The idea that a strong centralized government takes away power from the people to live their lives as they see fit.

These are the kinds of ideals America was founded on. Democrats today stand for none of them.

The amount of mental disability required to perceive the Democratic Party as anything remotely close to American is unfathomable.

>hurr rethuglicans r bad tho

No shit sherlock. Which is why some people are trying to fight the two party system in order to allow for more choice instead of always having to choose between two trash heaps. But people are too busy playing Red vs Blue every 4 years to try to effect any sort of real change in that regard.

>>721069193
>>721069447
I meant ' is not being impeached'

>>721058381
GET OFF MY BOARD YOU SHILLS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>721068800
Go ahead america, one more war and you might learn once and for all, you punkass young nation(s) unorganized shithole kekeke. America is like little spoiled child, rude, loud, irresponsible and no filter. You need lesson taught the hard way.

I'll be sitting here in mighty europa watching you kill each other kekeke

>>721069851
>>721069851
fake and gay

>>721068595
I have no idea what she's sincere about. That's WHY I call her a liar. If she did nothing but lie, that would make things super easy, because I would know that her real position was always the opposite of what she says.

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>>721069184
https://qz.com/898168/three-russian-cyber-arrests-one-suspicious-death-and-a-new-twist-in-the-us-election-hack/

>tfw Russia is arresting people for hacking our election

Being exasperated with your autism is not deflection, special snowflake. I've given source after source, and all you've done is call me an autist. Don't kid yourself, lad. You're not contributing ANYTHING to this discussion, and because of that this is now a fucking waste of my time. Theres the proof you asked for, theres the admission of guilt from Russia you asked for, now lets see the mental gymnastics you'll use to discount THIS one too. inb4 attacking the source, because I know that'll probably be your go to since its easier than actually THINKING of a good response. 2/10, we're done here.

>>721069517
Anything that Bernie would have wanted to do of course would have to pass Congress, so even if his dreams were bigger than our wallets, most of them either wouldn't happen, or would be implemented in a way that was manageable and paid for. I think the point is to elect someone with the most positive and unifying vision for the country, and he was it, even knowing he wasn't going to be able to deliver on many campaign promises.

>>721069648
Exactly.

>>721069231
Are you really that willfully ignorant?

Hillary Clinton:
Trained lawyer
Experienced multiple state and national level elections first hand.
Activist first lady for eight years with actual role in policy.
Elected senator.
Served as Secretary of State.

Donald Trump:
Went bankrupt in the fucking casino business.
Had a reality TV show.
Never held elected office.
Spent the past few years as a champion of the fucking birthers.

>>721068841
GOD I am so sick of this false dichotomy. Whether Trump is or isn't doesn't matter to the fact that SHE IS. See my reply regarding Douche vs. Turd.

>>721069851
Venomous snake are more dangerous in their youth. Evropa is lost to subtle invaders, as you sit in you home, posting on the internet, native womens are being raped and impregnanted, inudated with liberal guilt to keep the baby, motherly instinct beggin you to love the bastard of a baby regardless of circumstance. You've lost, and you're so hopelessly lost you don't even know it. All hail the cuck queen of the western world. The first to fall. The unburning.

>>721069925
she just lies and that's all she does. to the average american citizen at least.

>>721069041
>She was just the only one who wasn't calling for nuclear conflict.
Please give me a citation when Trump called for nuclear war.

>>721058381
YOU LOST SHILL
take your sheckle and be on your way cuck

>>721069925
You have no idea what ANY politician is sincere about, faguette. Thats how they've been pulling the wool over our eyes for decades. If shes not lying 100% of the time, shes literally no better or worse than ANY other politician currently holding office. The only reason you call her a liar is because the name stuck. Shes doing the same shit everyone else is doing. THIS is why you can't have it both ways. If she's only lying SOMETIMES, then she's just like everybody else.

>>721070272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpxr9ZUp7N0

And thats barring all the times he's flat out said, during his debates, "I'm going to bomb the hell out of ISIS".

I voted Bernie

>>721070272
He's made statements advocating for arming several nations with nukes. He's even recently said he wants to massively develop our nuclear arsenal in competition with Russia.

>>721069458
>how these millenial faggots are rioting and shit.
It's hard for me to empathize with people who burn down small businesses while dressed as giant bloody vaginas.

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>>721058381

>>721070189
Neato.

But Trump is still a huge piece of shit that is going to run our country into the ground and sacrifice lives for his gain.

>>721068588
Is this a fucking Reddit post?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXfHxceMg4.com/watch?v=zxXfHxceMg4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXfHxceMg4

How mad r u brah? Makin murica white again : DDDD DDD brutty gud

>>721070759
tits or gtfo

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>>721070355
Day in and day out it's the same shitposts met with waves of cuck and shill comments. God I love this place.

>>721070534
what's that mean?
he's going authorize nuke where conventional and smart bombs have been being used for decades now?
or you just want to believe he's the devil just because your candidate lost?
i swear you fuckers are dumber than a bag of hammers.

>>721069483
The Saudis own hundreds of billions in U.S. Treasuries, not to mention private investment in this country.

>>721070189
>Whether Trump is or isn't doesn't matter to the fact that SHE IS.

Absolute bullshit. They were running against each other. Comparing them is absolutely necessary.

>>721070687
fucking a.
they tear up hillary blue cities because they had a losing candidate lol

>>721070000
>nice quads
>Russian media suggest that one or more of the trio either leaked details of Russia’s role directly to American intelligence, or to Christopher Steele, the former British spy believed to have compiled the so-called Trump dossier. The dossier is a 35-page memo that suggested various links between Trump and Russia, involving information that allegedly made him vulnerable to extortion.

the one that was thrown the fuck out by most actual, credible, journalists because it was bullshit at first sight. But yeah, again. this doesnt prove anything. It shows that theres some weird shit going on in russia. But, theres nothing hard here. m8. just speculation.

>Being exasperated with your autism is not deflection, special snowflake
>called me right wing
>now im a snowflake

I keep taking the bait because its fun at this point. but all youve done is call me an autist and have given me nothing credible to go off of. Nothing to tell me, "yes. this is factual and heres why"

>>721058510
Not voting or voting for a third party is a vote for trump in the usa current system

>>721058381
nigga that's bait