https://www.politicalcompass.org/

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>>721024980

The quadrant of reason.

>>721025217
you're my guy

>>721024980
bottom left corner, chaotic good

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heard there was a quadrant of reason thread goin' on in here...

>but just barely

>>721025482
nasty liberal!

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>>721024980
Spooks

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Fuck my shit up bois

>>721026571
not taking the bait

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Not sure exact position, somewhere around here.

>>721027980
not bad

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Call me an equalist

>>721026879
My man! Got exactly the same

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>>721024980
Friendly reminder:

If you're not close to center you're a zealot of some sort. Food for though.

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>>721025217
This is what I would consider the realm of reason

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About where i should be

>>721024980
>>721025217
>>721025551
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>>721027980
>>721029241
Kill yourselves.

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>>721029041
eh probably more like this

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Shit, How can I be this liberal, just because I don't care what people do in their bedroom?

>>721029728
nah i dont care either something else

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Not surprised.

>>721029493
shut up libtard.

>>721027624
Please, kill yourself.

>>721029728
because you're retarded.

smart people who truly don't care what people do in their bedroom are in the purple.

>>721029728
Yeah. Which is what should make everyone on /b/ in the liberal side, they are all fags

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Ancap reporting in

>>721027980
brother.

>>721026064

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>>721030167
You're just trying to be an edgelord, at this point.

>>721030402
ancap is cool but what happens when russia decides to start bombing you from the sky or the sea? since there's no military, how do you defend, let alone counter attack?

>>721030402

you say "ancap" i hear "easy prey for the glorious red army".

>>721030980
i'm going to guess the answer is you save up money to get your own army or tough shit :|

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>>721030980
Why would russia randomly start nuclear bombing a non-threatening "country"?

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>>721031199
And I see armed people that can defend themselves

>>721031251

for the same reason every powerful country in the world has always bombed rich (in any way, even if because of lots of unspoiled natural resources), poorly defended countries.

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>>721024980
half of the questions I wanted to answer I don't know or I don't care why can't I? Well I guess here's mine

>>721031342

>implying a pleb anarchist army can do shit against nukes or drones from an authoritarian military.

>>721031251
not nuke, obviously.

for control and power. how does your country respond?

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>>721024980

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seig heil traps are gay and should be at high voltage

>>721031666

i did nazi* that coming. also, stan's trips checked.

*yeah, yeah, nazis are more on the left beacuse national SOCIALM bla bla bla, i know.

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>>721031585
>>721031599
>>721031504
>What are private armies

>>721031807

i know what a private army is. and there's no way it can accomplish jack shit against the US army. Or the russian army. Or even the fucking french army. You ancap army can get its ass kicked by gay frogs throwing white flags at it.

>>721031807
are these private armies capable of responding to bombs from the sky and the sea?

i don't think a country would be able to invade ancap america because everyone would have guns and would fuck them in the ass the moment they stepped foot in the country.

but i'm not seeing how an air or water attack gets properly defended.

>>721024980
Honestly as long as you're close to center you're good in my book. Anyone who ends up closer to a corner point than the center is someone who literally is not thinking for themself. Someone who is following someone else's ideology and constructing a narrative to support their point of view.

>>721032276
how does a country like america defends itself from that kind of attack?

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>>721032292

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no surprise here

>>721032497
with the most advanced military on the planet, controlled by one source.

not seeing how an ancap society would deal with it.

>>721032558
kek

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>>721032818
Retaliation. The NAP was broken, so realease the nukes of war

>>721030402

but whithout government, who will build the... no i'm not that stupid. private contractors can build road. a more serious question is: who will stop some rich owner of a large fast food company from putting cocaine or some other very addictive substance in the food they serve? or paying their employees with heroin an exploit them like once they become addicted? or just saving money by using some carcinogenic substance, that takes years to (probably) kill the consumers in ways that are very hard to connect to the actual food?

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>>721033090
>>>721030402 (You)
>a more serious question is: who will stop some rich owner of a large fast food company from putting cocaine or some other very addictive substance in the food they serve?
If they do it and people find out they are basically out of business
>or paying their employees with heroin an exploit them like once they become addicted?
They should be able to do that.
or just saving money by using some carcinogenic substance, that takes years to (probably) kill the consumers in ways that are very hard to connect to the actual food?
There would be private regulatory agencies

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>>721033095
we aids boys

>>721029008
Yes, woe to those who do not find themselves among the great centrists of history; those balanced folk who blessed our good earth with some reasonable things.

>>721033090
the free market would deal with it. people would find out about him doing that, it would go viral, and the company would go out of business because nobody would buy their shit or work there anymore.

>>721033311

>If they do it and people find out they are basically out of business
if the people find out. with enough money you can easily fund research for new addictive substances that, even if found in the food, can't be proven to be addicitive without years of research.
come on, everyone knows how bad smoking is, and people still smoke. they smoke a lot less now that thanks to LAWS tobacco companies are forced to hammer into your head how bad cigarettes are, but they still smoke; and, at this point, i'm willing to admit they are doing it from their own free will and not cause they are tricked into it.
you think people without a government wouldn't keep eating those tasty tasty meth burgers?

>>721033969

tobacco/alchol companies do not exist and are not hugely profitable, got it.
don't get me wrong, i'm not for BANNING those things. just banning people from lying in ads about how good they are.

>>721033311
>>721033969

Ancaps are fuckin' bonkers.

>>721034324
people don't want their food spiked. the company would go out of business. it would get crushed in a free market.

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>>721030439
Pretty close.

>>721034421
i'm not ancap. the free market isn't ancap.

if you think people could get away with spiking people's food, you're wrong. it would put them out of business in a heartbeat.

1. the food would be more expensive in the first place because its spiked with drugs, so they're already losing
2. people would find out and stop buying
3. people would be fired because they're losing business, and many people would leave because the company is immoral
4. the company would go out of business

this is exactly what would happen in a free market. learn to economics.

>>721034960
Thanks for taking your time to explain that for me. Libertarian or Pinochetarian?

>>721034546

no it would not. what if the addictive substance comes from a plant (that may be genetically modified. yes, i know GMOs are not bad), and the guy just claims that the plant is...i dunno, a spice? a natural ingredient? cause that's what it actually is?

>>721034960

i was talking to the actual ancap.

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Lolibertarian
The only government program should be the Affordable Loli Act

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>>721029542
Real realm of reason here

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About where I thought I would be.

>>721034960
>Spike food
>Make a fortune
>People find out and your business now collapses
>You still have the millions you made

Yeah that totally sounds like a just and moral way to order a society.

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>>721024980
Ayy lmao

>>721035405
There is no free loli

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>>721033095

>>721035405

>move to muslim country
>get all the legal loli you want

why are you still in a civilized country?

>>721035580
>Get sued for billions
>Become poor and be forced to live on the street
It really does

>>721035235
people don't want their food spiked.

if it wasn't harmful, then they might not go out of business, but if it was harmful, then they would.

its the difference between MSG and cocaine in your food. one is harmful, the other isn't, but people still want to know if they're used.

>>721035846

the original argument was against an ancap. and in ancapistan, can you sue?

>>721035899

ok, but how do poor fucks with no power find out, in ancapistan, that they are used?

>>721035580
know how many lawsuits the guy would have? and let's say he wants to start up another business. good luck to him with his tarnished reputation.

>>721036030
lol, an ancap country would be the richest and most successful country of all time.

>>721029493
the tolerant left everybody

>>721035911
Yes you can fucking sue, people just dont go to jail, they have to pay you a ridicolous ammount of money (50x your anual salary) or not get protected by law. Read the machinery of freedom for more information

>>721033311
Economics major here. The government should never pay in goods, the consumer should be able to pay for any goods they desire. Thank you Florida Government, the roads are always really smooth here!

>>721035846

Who is going to enforce the suit?
Who is to say the guy even shows up?
Who is to be the arbiter of justice here?

You're living in a fantasy world kid where ancapistan doesn't just degrade into the highest bidder buying a personal army and being above any retribution.

>>721035911
yes, you can sue. stop acting like a dummy.

>>721036226
Major kek

>>721036053

goddammit am i arguing against libertarians or ancaps? cause they are very near on the political compass but arguments based on the idea that "it can't be done without some form of government" are obviously pointless if you're arguing against someone who want very very small but still existing gov.

>>721036301
Like I said, "The Machinery of Freedom" by David Friedman explains all that. It has a whole fucking chapter on how the law would be enforced for fucks sake.

>>721035831
>implying anything else besides lolis are legal in mudslimeistan
Those countries are at the very top of this chart

>>721030603
>>721029312
>>721028279
Brothers

>>721036275

and who is going to enforce it against the private army someone can afford with all the profits made before the scandal broke out?

>>721036511

does he also explain how this system that sounds a lot like a form of government is totally not a government?

>>721036511
Outline the premise, asking someone to read a 300 ancap book isn't going to gain much traction.

>>721036735
Because its fragmented, privatized and subject to market forces, while not using coersion to get its money. Its really different actually.

>>721034960
I could not have said it better myself

>>721036836

i imagine it's also very different from plutocracy

>>721036832
Some books explain why the government is wrong and immoral and why we should get rid of it from a moral and ethical perspective (Eg. "The Anatomy of the State" by Rothbard). This book, on the other hand, explain how society would work and why its functionally better than our own society. Its a pretty good book

>>721035846
>>721036053
>Thinking that actually ever happens.
When rich people get sued they continue on and life is usually fine and even the most extreme ones get to live on in their private prisons better than many others in society. Usually it's just some small fine. Of course they are also able to afford a better legal defense because they have accumulated so much wealth.

>>721037101
Hey, there is no prision on ancapistan. You have to pay a fine based on your income. For example, killing someone should earn you a fine of 50 times your annual income

>>721037101
Why don't you just get rich?

>>721037024

you kinda sound like a marxist with a HUGELY different utopia. i'm not ironic, i get that ancapistan is very different from the marxist utopia, but i don't get how we can get to the utopia without it failing for the simple reason that some people like and trust authoritians, and some other people are just assholes.

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>>721024980

>>721037247

i meant to write "authoritarian leaders". imagine an ancap stalin going into power.

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Libratarian extremist bitch

>>721037247
The Utopia would be found only through free market and fair trade. Equality in economics is the path to success, if you want money, go out and get it.

>>721037424
Where's your road?

>>721037240
You must be fully aware that that is completely and utterly insane?

Not to dismiss your ideology and arguments out of hand but if you say something like a fine is an appropriate response to murder then we're never going to come to an agreement, and you'll never sway even 1% of the population.

You're saying if I was rich enough in this society I could kill someone just because I wanted to.

>>721037424
What is your personal opinion on roads?

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You're all going to the gulag

>>721037648
>muh roads

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>>721024980
And in my country I'm a conservative. Been voting conservative for like 7 elections or so now. The US is fucked up man.

>>721024980
What we should have known all along. Now it might be too late http://traineddog.club

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>>721037777
QUADS FOR THE MOTHERLAND

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im just happy not to be an authoritarian faggot

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>>721038038

>>721037496

when the marxist utopia meets reality, nothing stops the temporary leader from having "traitors" and the "bourgeois" killed, and getting all the power. in ancap utopia, nothing stops a group of very reach people from saying "fuck it, we're the government now. no constitutions or balance of powers."

"if you want money, go out and get it" yeah, i personally can do that (i'm smart and middle class) and that's why i won't try mooching off people's taxes. but some disabled guy might just be better off with social security, you know? also, that line sounds ridiculus when applied to people with rich parents.

notice how i didn't mention gender/race/sexual orientation? yeah, you're not arguing with a cultural marxist faggot, just a regular libertarian centrist faggot.

>>721037305
daddy

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plebs

>>721038286
All moochers should be banished or killed in all honesty. What use are they? A country is only as strong as it's weakest link!

>>721038466

a lot of people who lead a comfortable life despite being complete morons just cause daddy is very rich are, technically, mooches. do we also kill them? and, yes, #NotAll. some rich kids are smart and manage to do even better than daddy when they get old.

>>721038466
agree. so go hang yourself right now

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>>721024980
Wtf I'm a social and fiscal conservative

>>721038752
>>721038761
I'm the same, Economics major kid.

>>721038761
Let me guess, you live in Canada? Second guess; Sweden or Denmark.

>>721038729
Heyyyy just like Trump.

universal income that can be supplemented by paid employment by those who used their abilities or skills to create a valuable or desirable product/market is the only proper post-information system.

every gets a guaranteed shitty apartment when they turn 18, or sooner if they plea for personal autonomy in a low court and can prove they are capable of being responsible enough to feed/clothe themselves and not be edgy homicidal kykes.

https://discord.gg/k4x3fpT
>NEET HEAVEN, MAKE ANIME REAL NOW
anyway time for work.

>>721027664
Same. Look at this logically consistent fellow. You are basically the same as the secular talk guy.

This is the real quadrant of reason.

>>721038962

not really, trump is pretty successful on his own. he's also a scammer who knows how to stay rich while all his businesses fail, but the guy is pretty much the opposite of a moron.

>>721038868
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>>721028279
A lot of people leaning in the same direction.

>>721039212
His lawyers got him to where he is, same with his mouth I suppose. He bought into a failing NYC while nobody else did, dumb luck is what got him his billions.

>>721039212
>>721038510
I bet you're one of these guys aren't you

>>721039610
Where's your road?

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bitch im not this far left

>>721039566

nope, i'm a lbertarian on the center-left. but i'm not american, so i don't have to be emotionally involved with the whole Trump thing. guy's a piece of shit that knows how to stay afloat, and i have to give credit where it's due.

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>>721026879
same

>>721039773
I'm not calling him stupid I mean you can't be stupid and just get the presidential nomination, likewise, I disagree with any emotion in business. Where do you live anon? I hate the US, planning on moving.

>>721024980
Is there a version that works for Europeans?
I can't be right wing but pro abortion and climate?

>>721040545
The right/left scale doesnt mean right wing or left wing, it means economic freedom. Its pretty retarded

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>>721040760

>>721039972

I wasn't talking about emotion in business, i was talking about tha fact that for a good year it seemed like everyone on the internet had to be emotionally involved in the trump vs hillary thing. I get that it's important and will affect my life, but i don't have to actually pick a side. Plus the whole thing is pretty fucking ridiculus seen from the outside.

btw i'm from italy. tell people to stop comparing Trump to Berlusconi, buying shares in Berlusconi's businesses was usually a smart idea. I don't know if moving here would be a smart move, climate/food/people are great and we're doing far better than greece and better than spain, but still the whole recession thing is not completely over, try northern europe if you wanna be sure you'll find a job and live comfortably.

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>>721040895

>>721040867
Accurate!

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>>721037777

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>>721040920

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>>721040954

>>721040545
you can, but you'd have to be a dummy to believe in abortion and protecting the climate by government force.

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>>721040995

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How the fuck can any reasonable person end up in anything other than bottom left?

You'd basically have to say 'corporations are more important than people, we need to have religion in school, sex outside marriage is immoral, gays don't occur in nature and people shouldn't be able to do what they want with their own bodies in private.'

I'm glad to see very few authoritarians, but I still think you people pretending to be far right are just trolling or trying to be edgy.

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kek

>>721040869
Thank you so much! My Dad is Italian but the whole recession thing was a bit of a scare.

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>>721041026

>>721041034
libertarian is bottom right, so you're wrong.

fuck off libtard.

>>721040760
So 3/4 ideologies belong to limp-dick faggots who prefer guns to sex? Sounds about right

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>>721041160

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>>721030603
Pretty close, my brother

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>>721041302

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fuck radical of any direction

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>>721041378

>>721041162
Read the graph. Libertarian is bottom left and right.

You can be libertarian left at least according to this model. Try again faggot.

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It doesn't matter left or right, just fuck the system man.

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>>721041484

>>721041105

if the economy is your concern, and you know something about italy, northern italy is probably perfect for you to move to.the country is divided in two, north is as rich as north-western europe, while GDP per capita in the far south is on par with romania.

>>721041160
>>721041302
>>721041378
This thread is fucking hilarious, Gold-tier!

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>>721024980
in the middle

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>>721041545

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>>721024980
hmmmmm

whats wrong with the red square?

>>721041502
libertarianism is bottom right. bottom left is retardolism.

>>721041699

the fact that commies AND nazis are there rings a bell?

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>>721041667

>>721041624
why do you think left and right on this chart means democrat and republican?

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>>721041823

>>721041902

cause murica fuck yeah!

>>721041517
Same guy here. I also think fagitry is a mental illness, it's gender disforia. Also I am anti-politically correct and and pro guns.

>>721041575
Sounds perfect :)

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>>721041902
didn't make any of these, just dumping my shit

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>>721042020

>>721041624
"Where we are going we don't need roads" hahahah

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>>721042087

>>721041929
Top kek kiddo, red is commie you dumbass. But good bait, it got me.

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fuck off, faschist capitalist swines

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>>721042134

>>721025551
what are you, fucking gay?

>>721042020
We're going to need more helicopters

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>>721042162
I think it means the go to words each square likes to throw around.

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Phonefag here.
What's good bois

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>>721041378

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>>721042328

>>721041699
if u are far in in it means u re communist

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I wasn't expecting to be this far left, but I suppose it's about right.

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>>721041423

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>>721042447

>>721042020
this one makes the most sense, since you can fly without needing roads!

>>721042463

as long as you're not an actual ancom, it's fine.

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>>721042497

>>721042429
Right?!

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>>721042551

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>>721042621

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>>721042684

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Rate mine, guys.

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huh

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>>721042715

>>721042429
wrong, you take some from both sides

this is called "rational decision-making"

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>>721042767

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So where are you on the chart?

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I wish I could say I was more on the center

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>>721042789

>>721042528

Fuck no. Giving people who are lazy as fuck the same thing I make busting my ass every day is horseshit.

>>721042743
My head is spinning from all of the different results

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>>721042837
Last one.

Take care bros
-pol

>>721042621
this is fucking hilarious.

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I'm not an environmental anarchist I swear

>>721042970

that doesn't sound leftist at all. unless you're implicitly distinguishing between capable but lazy people and peole who can't work becuase of legitmate health issues who legitimately need social security

>>721042621
>rightwing globalists
kek

>>721024980
I don't like that this test has questions about your positions on gay people and religion. I'm a strong conservative, but also an atheist that doesn't give a fuck about what other people are doing in their bedrooms. Why does that naturally have to push my score to the left? Why is anti-gay, pro-religion automatically a "conservative" thing?

>>721042927
minarchist

free market and limited government

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...Alright. It's about what I expected.

>>721043241

Lazy as fuck != Disabled. If you NEED the help, you deserve to get as much as you need. If you are just a lazy fuck, you deserve to be offered one last change to take a job full of people like you (congressman), or be turned to Soylent Green for the sustenance of those who deserve to live.

>>721043361

that's on the vertical axis, not the horizonal one. that question moved you down, not left.

>>721043449
Why even give anything to the disabled?

>>721039646
"Maybe there wouldn’t be macadamized roads and streamlined cars and loudspeakers and gadgets of a million billion varieties, maybe there wouldn’t even be glass in the windows, maybe you’d have to sleep on the ground, maybe there wouldn’t be French cooking and Italian cooking and Chinese cooking, maybe people would kill each other when their patience was exhausted and maybe nobody would stop them because there wouldn’t be any jails or any cops or judges, and there certainly wouldn’t be any cabinet ministers or legislatures because there wouldn’t be any goddamned laws to obey or disobey, and maybe it would take months and years to trek from place to place; but you wouldn’t need a visa or a passport or a carte d’identité because you wouldn’t be registered anywhere and you wouldn’t bear a number and if you wanted to change your name every week you could do it because it wouldn’t make any difference since you wouldn’t own anything except what you could carry around with you and why would you want to own anything when everything would be free?"

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>>721024980
well, this isn´t realy unexpected.

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>>721043640

>>721043449

now you sound like a leftist. clarification was needed, there's a lot of people on the right who use the term "lazy" as an insult for anyone who's unsuccessful, and unironically think people with poor parents who don't become as rich and successful as trump are just lazier than him.

>>721043624
You're crazy

>>721043770
Can you blame them?

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>>721024980

>>721043907

no, being wrong is not a crime.

>>721043597

Everyone deserves to live a good, happy, life with their basic needs fulfilled... until they prove that they refuse to remain worth it. The disabled get a pass because either they were born that way, or have seen some SHIT. Plus, if she's in a wheelchair, she can't run away...

>>721031342
You won't be able to save yourself from the corporate warlords that would rule a governmentless land.

>>721043449
This sounds a little more authoritarian, Comrade...

>>721044185

I'm pretty sure the guy was being hyperbolic with the whole "soylent green" thing.

>>721044185

Nah, I just have friends who are disabled, and I see them working as hard as they can to make it on their own, but they need a little help. Then I see them getting mired in red tape when trying to get that help because they make anything at all, and all the funds are going to people who could be trying but aren't.

>>721044117
Why does everyone deserve to live a good and happy life, not all people are made equally. Many disabled people just abuse their food stamps, which takes away from valueable taxpayers when we could be paying for things like... hmmm... I dont know... Roads. Why is that fair?

>>721042429
hey look at me i have super extreme and radical views but still respect me

>>721044356

Yes. You are correct. Just wanted to make a clean justification between can't and won't.

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>>721043946
Wew, whats with all the liberals on 4chan lately? I'm used to right leaning coons.

>>721044464

ancaps hate this guy. they don't need dem commie roadz.

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>>721024980
wtf this is supposed to be?

>>721044532
That's equality not radicalism

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I feel like I should be slightly further down than I am, but that's about right for me.

>>721044658
almost fascist.welcome home son

>>721044464

"Made equally" implies that there is inherently a "better" or "worse" race/class/sex. If you just stop and think about it, from a mental standpoint, we are all born with the same clean slate. To judge someone for circumstances outside their control is cruel.

>>721044532
What Is the problem with having extreme and radical views? You know beliving that slavery was immoral and should be stoped was considered an "extreme radical view"

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>>721024980
Test is shite. Just because I want people to stay in their own lands and focus on their own lives and cultures doesn't make me an authoritarian. "Stay out of my country" is quite nearly the only restriction I would place on people.

>>721044728

yeah, italy needs all of your help to build the roman empire back up.

>>721044747
This halts the growth of the human race though, right?

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Not sure how I feel about this. It seems too neutral, moreso than I expected.

>>721044963
Exactly where I am, stay and fight for the correct stance!

>>721044653
It's because the rational Liberals are silent. There's no point in going on an online message board and trying to convince a bunch Ancaps why their ideology is retarded. You just join in the fun, and say nigger a bunch.