You have 10 SECONDS to prove that there is no God.

If God existed he would give me more time to think about it

Can't prove a negative.

I'll give you ten years to prove that there is.

>>720741322
Can you force a dead horse's dick into a 10 yr old ass and out mouth in 10 seconds?

world is fucking unjust and horrible place

>>720741322
Image google "sand fleas"

>/b/ exists

>>720741322
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then we can't call him god.

ergo there is no god.

>>720741322
there is no god, and since i am god, what i say goes. you cant prove that im not god, and since i say god dosent exist, i dont exist therefore god dosent exist.

1. donald trump
2. terrible things happen to infants
3. amazing things and opportunities comes to terrible people

>>720741322
Vaping isn't accepted as a religion


>yet

>>720741322
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

All clear. Still no gods here.

>>720741322
i prayed once and didnt work therefor there is no god

>>720741322
Ever been to a pediatric oncology wing?

That'll sort the delusional bullshit out of you.

>>720743516

you mean leave his mom's basement. of course not, are you insane?!

chemicals, electricity, and elements joined together to name themselves

>>720743217
The classic epicurian argument, to which the countrr argument we learned in theology is: the ways of god are unfathomable, but we must have faith to believe he desires good for all.

>>720741322
my dubs say so

>>720743700

that is willing but unable

ergo not omnipotent -> not god.

>>720743700
so god can't save a baby whose mother died from starving to death or being eaten by dogs? Or even ease its pain?

That definition of kind or good is full of fail.

>>720741322
God creates humans with "free will" but God is supposed to be the beginning and the end. God lives outside of time. So as soon as he creates a human, he simultaneously knows how that human's life will end. Thus, there is no "free will" because you have ready lived and died from God's perspective. There is no point in sin or faith because as soon as God creates you, your fate is written.

>>720741322
God prove you exist by giving this post trips!!

>>720744456
So God is similar to Doctor Manhattan, where he can see everything (along his own timeline anyway) and instantly knows the effect of what he does, even if he doesn't know it until he does it?

>>720741322
Kek gave you dubs.

>>720743513
I looked for any sign of the gods in the universe, or a realm for the gods to live in, or a structural element that would connect to that realm, or a structural element of our realm which wouldn't be catastrophically torn asunder if a god from some other dimension but not these ones were to pass through it, or as a persons soul concept would pass from these ones through our or universe into another, and found that no one, out of the millions of people who have also looked for any sign of gods existing, has ever even found a way for them to exist as gods and have any interaction with our universe. So then I had to wonder, if a thing can't be observed, measured or in any other way reliably detected, leaves no trace of existing or interacting with the universe, can we still say it exists? What is the difference between existing and not existing in that case? Then I was left with the mere meaning of the word existence, which requires of things that exist, a tendency to exist. It seems gods do not have a tendency to exist.

Perhaps existing as a thought in our imaginations is existence enough.

That's as far as I got. In 1986. I was 10, and kind of just lost interest after that.

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>>720741322
You have 10 seconds to prove there aren't invisible, intangible, silent, and otherwise undetectable leprechauns doing the Irish jig in circles around you at all times.

>>720744628
Not all of us are worthy of kek's praise.

>>720743700
Clearly that is not the case.

Fuck. I need 11 seconds.

>>720744880
Then why did he get dubs?

>>720741322
Gay people would be wiped out from a plague

>>720741322
The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim, not with the one not making any claims.

>>720745066
Check'd

>>720744769
>things that exist, have a tendency to exist
>gods do not seem to have any of the tendencies to exist to meet the definition of existing

Bingo.
Happy OP?

>>720741322
Prove that God doesn't exist, you say?

Well, you see, 4chan exists.

>>720744960
Because it's really the devil trying to trick you.

>>720745066
But it's human nature to believe in God. Why do the majority of people have to prove their beliefs to a minority of nonbelievers?

>>720744393
Epicurus was lucid as fuck.
Simply reasoned his way down to an atomic hypothesis, and deduced the ultimate goal of the great human experiment.

Also, did not like shellfish.

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>>720745490
>it's human nature to believe in god

You're wrong

>>720745282
They are the same thing, the expression of morphic fields. Praise kek

>>720744769
>10 seconds
Unless you copy pasta-ed the whole thing, you are not meeting OP's requirements

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>>720741322
Seriously what's the fucking point

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>God supposedly exists
>Enjoys a glorious brown mane
>I'm balding and he won't even give me my hair back

Fuck him for giving me this genetic defect. I want my fucking hair back you asshole.

GIVE IT BACK!!!!

>>720745717
It's a thought that takes 10 seconds to arrive at.

Takes a minute or so to write out & read.

>>720745490
Because deep down they know they aren't right, and seeing the dissenters from their beliefs makes the more aware of their own doubts.

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>>720741322
>>You have 10 SECONDS to prove that there is no God.

It takes Women 30 minutes to reach orgasm, and a Guy as little as 10 seconds.

>>720745490
>But it's human nature to try to order the world and gods fill the gaps.
ftfy

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>>720741322

>>720745846
There isn't one.
Two hairless apes humped and made you slightly more capable of intelligence than either of them, and cast you out into a pointless existence of thousands of years of others like you having almost entirely nothing but dumb barbaric primitive shit.

Nothing is gained, nothing is lost. 11,000 people died today here. Not worth even looking up their names. As it is for all of us.

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proof he did nothing

>>720745961
Some people might doubt themselves, but all the religious people I know (myself included) genuinely believe in God and understand that one day He will return

>>720746095
There are some things that can only adequately be explained by the existence of God, though. Who ignited the big bang? Who created matter?

>>720745490
It's not my human nature. My human nature has s to make use of the brain I'm lucky enough to have and consider as many possibilities as possible, and try to evaluate each on their own merits.

It's been about 900 years since there were sufficient merits for still believing in the abrahamic gods. And yes, that's plural. Read your scriptures and your history carefully.

>>720741580
Actually, If you think about it, does that make much sense when talking about something, an entity, outside the laws of logic? In which case you could say that "God exists" and "God doesn't exist" are both claims for God's existence. But, no one can EVER have undeniable proof in God's existence (because of the very nature of a God) and it's really a just a question of belief.

>>720741322
I exist

>>720743217
This quote is what made me an atheist, tbh, that and the one clip of carl Sagan where he explains that, considering the trillions of star systems and billions of worlds and millions with life on them, a god that specifically loves one species, and one race, and one subsection of that race, is egotistical and doesn't make sense.

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>>720741322
Well, you exist Op

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>>720746668
In which case, It's like a story. Do you really think all of the stuff that happened in Lord of the Rings actually happened long ago? We can't have proof of that, but we like the story, so we go with it.

>>720746950
oshit i wasn't a believer but now I am, thanks for showing me the light

>>720741322
If there is a God, he clearly doesn't love us.

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>>720746787
Well, Carl Sagan Also said this. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws"

Because there is estimated to be over 100 billion planets in the universe. GOD is only coming back to earth in the bible. Why would he make 100 billion other planets for no fucking reaso? And if they have life on them, why would god leave out millions of living civilizations from his return to earth?

Exactly. I rest my case. My damn good case.

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"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing.' 'But, says Man, the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and vanishes in a puff of logic. 'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

>>720741322
The burden of proof doesn't lie with the non-believer. If I claimed I could fly it wouldn't be up to someone to prove I couldn't.

>>720746622
>There are some things that can only adequately be explained by the existence of God.

God of the gaps isn't really a good excuse anymore.

Just because we don't have an answer yet, doesn't mean "God did it"

>>720746622
Why do you assume that's a "who"?
If it's a "who", then that raises a million more questions, what type of being is that, are there more of them, what non-dimensional dimension do they exist in in nonexistence, how does all that fucking work now...

I mean holy fuck anon, you just willed entire universes into existence to flip that switch, instead of simply some of any amount of possible proportions or arrangements of potential energy figuratively crossing a threshold making non-existence untenable. Try not complicating it by imagining a bearded human-god pulling a lever just because you are a human and understand levers and can only imagine what you are already familiar with.

>>720746950
u converted me

>>720743217
>Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
no.

>Is he able, but not willing?
no

>Is he both able and willing?
>Then whence cometh evil?
love of self


>Is he neither able nor willing?
he is both able and willing as said above


>ergo there is no god.
you have not proven there is no God other than your dismissal of the responsibility and choices thaht humans have in this world.

>>720746787
the quote is ill informed and tries to shoe horn an outcome.


>a god that specifically loves one species, and one race, and one subsection of that race, is egotistical and doesn't make sense.

what makes you think there is only humans in the universe. there are places on earth that no one has ever seen but God sees it

>>720747241
>why would god leave out
why would he tell you about something that has nothing to do with you?

humans have enough issues then to worry about aliens you'll never meet in this world.

Can't be proven because there is a God. Universe is too fine tuned, evolution is nonsensical, we are bio-electrical-mechanical beings with an obvious spirit within, and with faith one can actually reach Him.

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The one true god is what's between a woman's legs

>>720747418
Because the bible says so.

Unless there's another galaxy with a planet with another place called israel.

Do you think Jesus had to die on each planet in each different galaxies?

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>>720745066
etc.
"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God."

"An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed."

-Carl Sagan

I swear atheists are just in a pile of religiosity as theists are.

Agnostic for the win.

>>720747726
I'd like to also add that it doesn't matter. Believe in what you want to believe, but don't be a dick impose that belief on others.

>>720747726
>An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist

Wrong. It just means you don't believe in God. Agnostic is not the only good position.

>>720747726
Agnostic's are indecisive pussies who need other people to tell them what to think because they're incapable of forming their own rational opinions. You can be 99% sure that God doesn't exist and still be an atheist. Just because you can't PROVE God DOESN'T exist, doesn't mean you can't believe that he doesn't exist.

>>720747717
the Bible is for humans.

don't worry about aliens. you'll never see them. if tehre are aliens out there, they have their own path.

>>720747349
Just because we don't have a complete answer yet. On most of the things people are familiar enough with to question, we do have a pretty good idea of how they work, and as those gaps continually shrink and close up, that leaves less and less room for gods to exist in, and a growing list of previous lies to explain away for god having not actually existed in all this time.

If 21st century apes can shoot this many jokes in Bronze Age god concepts, those concepts were pretty poor, because our entire species is still relatively young and only has just under a solid century of mobilizing its biggest countries brainpower yet.

>>720741322
>>720747726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_OC2t7mIWE

/thread

>>720747726
Strawman argument ftw

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>>720743217
God is both able and willing to do away with evil; We are the problem. We, as humans, were created with a free will and to infringe upon that cheapens our faith and our love for the creator. If you have children, do you solve every single problem that they have, regardless of how they treat or talk to you? No. You punish your children when they act wrongly, reward them when they are just, and do your best to guide them whilst letting them retain their independence.

>>720747928
A- Theist

No It means that you have absence of a belief in god. Not that you don't believe in one.

One requires belief one doesn't.

>>720747726
Was that really necessary?
No, it was not.

Also, those old ideas of agnosticism were outmoded 30 years ago already.

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>>720748134
>we were created with free will

Prove it

>>720748023
He's actually objectively wrong and doesn't know that atheism encompasses.

>>720748164
Absence of belief and not believing in something are literally the same exact concept re-worded. There is no distinction to be made there.

>>720741322
If God did not exist, man would have to create him.
-Voltaire

>>720747726
the evidence is on the side of the one who makes the claim

Praise Kek

>>720741322
But at the same time, prove that God exists in 10 seconds.

>>720747951
What did I say? I'm Agnostic for proof. I'm Theist for belief. I'm not an Agnostic agnostic.

>>720748269
Don't reply to this post.

can you or can't you? if you can and there isn't a force stopping you then you have free will.

>>720741322
It is impossible to prove or disprove the existance of God without bringing up Faith and Belief

>>720748376
There is no such thing as "agnosticism" though. You can't kind of believe in God but not really. One or the other. You're either an atheist, or a believer. There is no in between.

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Its quite simple really.
For there to be a god we must first acknowledge that it is possible to break all laws regarding entropy.

In order to break the binds of entropy it would require that you have enough energy to overcome the distance between the other energy.

This however, causes another problem, now that you have reversed entropy, what about all the energy you just used to bring all the other energy back together?

In other words to be infinite is an impossiblity as you will always need more energy than you can actually supply.

If you were to reset the universe you would (very roughly) need anywhere from 2-1000 universes worth of energy to put it all back together.

Its simple thermodynamics.

Even if you operate on another system entirely, there is always "fuel" that will be consumed. So in for god to be omnipotent he must have an unlimited "fuel" source.

Its simple, God defies entropy.

>>720748269
You posted this didn't you?

>>720748540
>Its simple, God defies entropy.

a decaying force that is inherit i this universe. God exists outside of this universe. our physics don't apply to the one who created it.

God has the cheat codes to what he made.

>>720748444
It's called determinism, read up dude

>>720748777
Harris's argument though, is that on a molecular level, our brain functions in a predictable manner similar to how machinery functions. All the processes that occur in the brain are mechanical, therefore there is always a degree of predictability. Because our actions are predictable in this way, who's to say that the choices you make that you think are "free will" aren't already determined by the way your brain works?

>>720748540
He's also an infinite power source. Infinity to any exponential power is still infinity.

>>720747250
I was going to do that.

>>720748532
That's ridiculous. Agnostics are saying simply that there is no way to know. They see no proof for existence or non-existence of God. Are you saying that you have to belive or not believe in God even if there's no evidence in either case?

>>720747418
>>Is he both able and willing?
>>Then whence cometh evil?
>love of self

that's a shallow cop out answer
why is love of self allowed to bring evil?

also, what about natural disasters.

>>720748990
Up up down down left right left right...

>>720748842
theist still doesn't negate free will though.

you still choose what you do, even though its known in the future what you done.

its not like something can stop you from doing what you want to do. so your actions are not because it was already predetermined.

>>720748967
Your brain constantly grows and changes. Choices you do and do not make can completely reshape it easily. Free will involves the absence of a 100% certain predictability. To some extent, even the universe itself has a free will.

>>720748134
>God is both able and willing to do away with evil; We are the problem. We, as humans, were created with a free will and to infringe upon that cheapens our faith and our love for the creator. If you have children, do you solve every single problem that they have, regardless of how they treat or talk to you? No. You punish your children when they act wrongly, reward them when they are just, and do your best to guide them whilst letting them retain their independence.

so god created a problem he can't/doesn't want to solve?

defeats omnipotence.

>>720749063
egotism isn't evil? when you put yourself above others needs? narcissism isnt evil either?

these are all behaviors that breed evil and cause problems in this world.

its why satan even rebelled against Good and some angels followed him. They put themselves above anything else.


>also, what about natural disasters.
natural disasters are natural. how is that evil? sometime shit happens. the rain falls on the good and the bad.

In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."Sagan maintained that the idea of a creator God of the Universe was difficult to prove or disprove and that the only conceivable scientific discovery that could challenge it would be an infinitely old universe. Sagan's views on religion have been interpreted as a form of pantheism comparable to Einstein's belief in Spinoza's God. His son, Dorion Sagan said, "My father believed in the God of Spinoza and Einstein, God not behind nature but as nature, equivalent to it."

I stand to say Agnosticism is the only true logical conclusion to a Creator/God, and that we can choose to believe if there is or isn't, but the answer may seem irrelevant. Apatheistic

>>720749011
>Agnostics are saying simply that there is no way to know.

well then you're saying
"there can exist no god for me"

->atheist.

>>720741322
>prove a negative
OK OP prove that there is no giant invisible dinosaur who parades around central park, go

>>720741322
>implying you proved there was one in the first place.

>>720749420
its all been solved tho.

>>720749011
There's no evidence unicorns exist. Does this mean I am a unicorn agnostic? There is no evidence that fairies exist. Am I a fairy agnostic? Or can I definitively say that these things don't exist?

>>720749505

so everything that causes grief unto man and is not man's doing isn't evil, according to you

if, at no cost to you, you were able to prevent someone from accidentally violently dying, and you chose not act, would you not be evil?

>>720748134
Children die slowly of cancer in this world, which has nothing to do with free will. If you could blink and save them of their pain but choose not to, you are evil.

>>720749753
where's the solution?

>>720749560
>but as nature, equivalent to it
so what was his beliefs on evolution and man? was it random or a guided force?

>>720741322
Prove there is

>>720749420
God had children, made in his own image, and he asked them to love him. The problem could easily be solved by just killing us and making robots, but if you program a robot to say "I love you" when you walk past it, what is that worth?

I masturbated twice today and no lightening tried to smite me!

>>720749990
Not sure. I believe it was random, but don't quote me on that.

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>>720750105
If you threaten children with eternal torture for not loving you, what good is that?

4chan exists

>>720748783
Universe: Everything that exists
God: Exists outside that
Universe: whatever and wherever you are, if you exist, then you are also in me. If you do not exist in the set of all the things that exist, then you do not exist.
God: No.
Universe: If you created logic, then this is your logic.
God: but I don't want to be included in this logic
Universe: then logic will change to suit you
God: but leave it like it us tho ok?
Universe: then I will leave logic as it is.
God: I mean change it.
Universe: ok.
God: I mean don't.
Universe: ok.
God: I mean do.
Universe: ok.
God: don't.
Universe: ok.
God: did we?
Man: Doesn't look like it.

>>720749860
>and you chose not act, would you not be evil?

what makes you think he doesn't? People have been saved by calling on the name of Jesus where they should have died. praying for others has healed people from things they shouldn't have survived.

is this alwasy the case? no. but it doesn't mean God is not doing anything.

the bible says it is appointed unto men once to die. So anyone can die at any minute just becasue of random things. whether its by evil or not. Thats why We stay close to Jesus and his promise of salvation so if anything does happen we will be safe with Him in heaven.

>>720749889
If someone loves you, can you not be expected to challenge that love? If your child fell into a ditch, and you didn't pull him out, does he have the right to immediately disown you? To say that you were never his father? Or do you still ask that he loves you? We all have trials that we go through that make us stronger. If that child can pull himself from the ditch, then he can be trusted to take care of himself. This life is temporary, and whatever suffering we feel here is fleeting. It is important to focus not on the "now," but instead to focus on the great beyond.

>>720749939
Jesus's death and resurrection from the cross.

>>720749834
You can absolutely be "agnostic" for those things. You can also choose to believe or not believe in those things. I'm not sure what your getting at. Just because something is completely unlikely to exist, doesn't mean you can't believe in it.

>>720750105
He doesn't torture you. He removes his presence from you.

>>720749560
You stand to regurgitate old ideas that are outdated and that you haven't kept up with.

Nobody cares. If you want to talk like someone other than who we all were in 1996 before realizing there was a fuckload more interesting shit to it, read yourself a book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOcMFeWUsuM

>>720750655
Don't be upset if you don't deny the existence of fairies and unicorns and people mock you for it. Same thing with god.

>>720750314
>>720750738
Screwed up on the reply.

It's about love.

The mystery of faith means that you will never 100% be able to scientifically prove that God exists, but those who believe take it on faith. Amen!

>>720750314
>threaten
threaten, warn. depends on how you see it.

>>720750158
God doesn't punish people!

>>720741322
4chan exists

>>720750401
>Universe: whatever and wherever you are, if you exist, then you are also in me.

this is where you messed up because a being inside the universe can't know whats outside of it.

physics that we understand cannot apply in this case.

you can create a house but it doesn't mean you have to be in it.

>>720750813
Earth is a tiny place in the scale of the entire universe. Billions upon billions of stars and planets and you will say that without a doubt nowhere in the universe is it possible that unicorns and fairies exist?

He's too lazy to actually stop the devil from doing shit like : Ebola or Trump.

>>720750799
>old ideas
>outdated
So tell me if I make a logical and truthful statement now, does it cease to be logical and/or truthful in 15 years?

>>720751030
Tell that to the jews

>>720741322
If God is fully ethical and omnipotent then why does evil exist?

>>720750799
Idk man, but we are only literally only talking about old ides in this thread. Belief in God and what not.

>>720751238
If all you know about the words and ideas you're using stays the same, and it changes all around you, then yes.

Be surprised as the rest of us were at how badly misconstrued the ideas of agnosticism and atheism have been for centuries, the poor framework they built, that you're still operating within. It's fun.

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>>720741322
It's a theory of how everything got here which was created by men whose only evidence, or fact collecting on the fictitious character known as god was conceived on the basis telepathy is real and some mythical being is speaking to people telepathically. We have insane asylums for a reason. If you think god can work miracles pray real hard for him to allow you to pass through brick walls and try to run through one. You will find your so called faith will stop about the same time as the impact of your skull against the wall. Reply to this post or your mom will die in her sleep.

>>720751183
The next time somebody you know says unicorns don't exist, are you going to respond with, "But how could you know? There might be a planet in some galaxy somewhere that has unicorns. You shouldn't not believe in them just because there's no evidence for their existence."

IDK, that just sounds like a silly argument to me.

>>720751506
Different anon, also agnostic. Enlighten me?

>>720751238
Of course. If 200 years ago you made a truthful and honest statement about negroes wanting to be slaves because it's their nature to be subservient to British men, you would have been just as truthful and honest as everyone else who did at the time. Supreme Court, the unerring word of constitutional law under god, does it every day. Then half a century later they have to undo shit because it turns out they were fucking wrong about all kinds of shit. Time makes fools of us all.

>>720751733
you dont' know something exists until you find it.

Trump is POTUS.

>>720741322
you prove there is one first

>>720741322
its been longer than 10 seconds.

God exists.

>>720747726
You're a pussy for being agnostic. Be a man and chose a fucking side.

You have ten seconds to prove you didn't rape and murder this woman.

Proof of nothing, by definition, cannot exist.
Proof of something is possible, and therefore what we should be striving towards.

>>720751733
There's nothing silly about it. There's no way to know what's out there. We have no proof of God or fairies or unicorns. We also have no proof of there not being those things. Again, even if I believe God is completely unlikely to exist, which I do, I still have no proof he doesn't and could never say so without uncertainty. This is the Agnostic problem.

>>720751779
I would love to, but am typing on an iPad, and I don't have that much jam.

I will say, for as objectionable a dick as Dawkins can be on a personal level, and he makes my fucking skin crawl when I see him try to skewer someone, his "God Delusion" does concisely help bring everyone in the discussion onto the same page with regard to definitions and the many, many much more interesting categories of thought that people have, which previously had two lazy labels slapped across their backs before being shoved down the stairs.

Of course he's an insufferable dick though, so you'll enjoy skipping a few chapters of examples of hatemail and crap religious people send him, which reads like a schoolboy crying about someone being mean to him.

>>720751918
That may all be truthful, but that's a straw-man statement (probs cuz I didn't clarify) let me reiterate, sorry, If make ONLY a Logic statement does it change over time?

If trips, there is no god

>>720741322
No fair. You have had more than 6000 years to prove there is a God and haven't done so.

>>720752244
So, blindly believe in something I have no evidence to do so for? I think there's a word for that.

>>720752342
bad analogy

just check her pussy for trauma.

>>720752552
May I ask? Why is he such a dick, like, if he knows he is in the right, why be so arrogant? If my main objective is to teach people about what I believe in. I'm not going to go around calling the people I want to teach names and insult them and their intelligence, and then tell them I know better and that the entity you've believed in your whole life is a farce.

>>720752602
It will if the definition of the words you're using to make it come to mean something different than what you thought they meant back at the earlier time.

>>720750632
Your metaphors are pathetic. If my child fell into acid and I stood by and watched I would be evil. Congratulations on having a god less moral than some dude on /b/

>>720752672
the fact that jews still exist prove theres God.

>>720753139
Yeah, and glare aggressively at them the entire time they're talking like I'm about to go for their neck.

All I can think dips he spent a childhood getting picked on, a lifetime buried in books as a geneticist, and has no idea how to compose himself in a self-aware, socially acceptable manner. He lives in his head, and everything's an intellectual argument to him.

>>720752244
>pussy cuz he wants to wait until all the data on the subject is on the surface to then make a logical conclusion.
I mean you could argue imaginary creatures the same way, but there IS evidence in nature against that; however, not entirely true when talking about a creator.

>>720752417
You sound like someone that needs to talk to a Nigerian prince about an inheritance. LOL

>>720753150
That's fair. However, logic works the same way every single time, regardless.

>>720753553
There is more evidence for leprechauns than God. Any reason you come up with why a universe "needs" a creator can just apply to the universe itself

>>720753504
Makes me wish he had a god or something of purpose to latch onto during those times; not just Nihilism and Atheism which really don't help our psyche that much.

>>720753890
>why a universe "needs" a creator can just apply to the universe itself
law of energy.

where did the energy and matter come from?

string theory claims its from another energy source outside of our universe.

Of course the source of the energy isn't known.

The other theory is that the universe recycles itself and is infinite. But how can it be infinite if entropy exists? and also the universe hasn't slowed down instead its expanding faster and faster. so either new energy is being created (from somewhere) or the universe is going to rip itself apart.

unless the universe is constantly expanding lie an infinite bubble.

follow the energy and you find the truth.

>Any reason you come up with why a universe "needs" a creator can just apply to the universe itself
Listen I'm not saying it's a necessity, I'm just getting at it should be on the table as what if kinda scenario. I mean you just said
"There is more evidence for leprechauns than God."
so, evidence points to both truth and false accusations, which leads me to say we can't actually know if there is or isn't a God. Hence, leave it on the table.

Niggers exist.

>>720753890
see
>>720754702

>>720754673
I agee

>>720754673
hence the energy comes from outside the universe or its infinite.

God is infinite and outside of our universe.

so it can be acknowledged that God COULD create a universe from nothing for us to live in if He existed.

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>>720753245
Have you read Revelation 2:9 or 3:9?

Hitler killed off most of the true Jews.
We are left with little more than liars today.

They will look upon the Anti-Christ soon enough and will accept him as Messiah where they failed to accept Christ as such.

>>720741322
if trips there is no god

>>720741322
There's no God because I killed Him.
Don't believe me? Prove he's alive then!

>>720755038
>true Jews

there are just jews anon.

there are people who can say they are jews but are against God and other jews and Christians.
but they are still jews by blood.

The 144 thousand jews that God saves are only possible becasue the jews haven't been wiped out. God has this all planned out.

>>720755101
>101

back to Bible 101 anon.
God exists: Chapter 1, Genesis

>>720755258
nothing exists without God.

no God, no existence.

you exist therefore God exists.

>>720754164
On the contrary. I think an ability to see reality as it is actually functioning, instead of how we'd like to imagine it is functioning so it can conform to a disasterous imaginary version of reality where we're all protected from consequences by superpowered superheroes, and can thus fuck up as much as we want, is exactly what will help us come up with solutions to problems as large as we have now and are going to be facing in the future.

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>>720755369
I strongly suggest you actually read the verses.

Certainly there are some folks who are actually Jewish both by bloodline and by still following the Hebrew faith.

But the vast majority of those who claim to be jewish are not either by blood or by faith.

More accurate would be to say one is of Hebrew descent. That at least would not be so arrogant as to try and include oneself in the "chosen race"...

>>720754673
If you follow the energy you land in physics, and if you follow it further you get to higher math until the earliest few billions of a second of the creation event, where math itself is unfolding and thus can't yet be used to analyze its earlier self. There is literally nothing yet, not even the framework for math to exist in, much less a realm and a conscious being to put in it.

And you can fuck right off with that m-brane shit Pavel. I know what you're up to.

>>720756266
You strongly suggest it? Not just suggest it?

Revelations... The drugged out hallucinations of John while he lay sick.

You must be about... 14.

Basically he bent me over the hood of his car and said who's going to cum first, me or the cops?

>>720756266
Hebrew descent?

Jesus fucking h, you know nothing of what you're talking about. You don't even know the races and the familial lines, never heard of genetics, just, like all non-jesuit "biblical scholars" (which you aren't), you're just dumping more misinformation on to hear yourself and others affirm what you want to hear. Misrepresenting the faith is baaad fucking news for you.

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>You have 10 SECONDS to prove that there is no God.

Muslims exist

>>720755495
I found other books that say gods don't exist though.

>>720741322
Listen to any of gods followers for 10 straight minutes.

NO GOD

>>720755879
Yes absolutely agree. However, say if our reality is bleak and/or goes to shit, we psychologically need some type comfort for existence or better yet for purpose. Also, the belief in a god, and only a god and not the religion attached to it, isn't something of a disastrous imaginary reality; The god made the universe and that's it, everything else was done through it's instruments laid out in the beginning.

>>720756266
>those who claim to be jewish are not either by blood or by faith.

they can p[rove blood line and lineage through blood tests. the real jews still exist.

really don't know what you're talking about anymore.

>>720756285
>There is literally nothing yet, not even the framework for math to exist
thats literally wrong.

just because the rules we know of don't apply in the same way doesn't mean they aren't governed by rules.

>>720756907
but just like that anon, they didn't get trips either.

I can't

you have 10 seconds to prove there is a god

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>>720756491
Nope far older than that.
But that is not the point.

John was ill from venom not drugs.
Certainly there is room for much debate.

But the Seven Churches described are pretty accurate as template for what organized religion has made of the faith.
Still if you do not want to hear or see the truth? Just continue to foist your assumptions or lies on others instead of asking questions and seeking truth.

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>>720756818
Yes Hebrew which was the Bloodline of Abraham and Later of Jacob, renamed Israel. There were 12 Tribes of which Judah was only one so Hebrew would be far more accurate than Jewish.

>>720746983
except know wars were fought in rl over Lord of the rings

>>720758086
>John was ill from venom
so are you confusing paul getting bit by the snake when the ship crashed with John who was exiled for preaching?


>the Seven Churches described are pretty accurate
so its fair to deduce that he's accurate for the further events told in revelation .

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>>720758351
>so are you confusing paul getting bit by the snake when the ship crashed with John who was exiled for preaching?


Yes I did my apologies for the mistake.

>so its fair to deduce that he's accurate for the further events told in revelation .

Yes quite probably.