Drumpftards explain this

>>720332942

Illegal immigration is at a 40 year low. Obama has deported more illegals than any president. Most illegal immigrants travel by plane.

Donald Trump hates spending money efficiently.

>>720332942
coast gaurd

but either way. a 20 foot wall will only create a market for 21 foot ladders

the plan is dumb

>>720332942
That's called a "choke-point." It'll make it easier to catch them.

>>720333029
Illegal immigration is at a 90 year high. Obama has imported more illigals than any president. Most illegal immigrants travel by submarine.

>>720332942
I'm not american so i'm not very well informed about this but there is already some kind of fences and wall at the border. How is trump's wall any more efficient ?

>>720333135
i want a sandwhich now

with veggies harvested by illegal immigrants. on a sub just like they used to get over here.

>>720333029
>>720333067
This. /thread.
>>720333078
Why would you want to catch them in the first place? They don't steal your jobs because they don't have documents, and they get a better quality of life than what they can make in the shithole that is Mexico today.

>>720333176
its not, its a huge waste of taxpayer money.

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>>720333135

So these are those alternative facts they keep talking about.

>>720333249
mexico is paying tho

>>720333193
my mouth is watering thinking anout that sub

>>720333237
>They don't steal your jobs because they don't have documents


I'm not sure how it works in the US, but illegals tends to be hired instead of legal worker in field where unqualified workforce is needed, to drag down the cost.

>>720333305
333333333333333333 get

>>720333300
how?

>>720333369
fuck

>720333333

>>720333300
Why should they?
And how will he make em pay?

>>720333333

>>720333373
>>720333400
i dont know man. theyre dumb enough to be tricked into it somehow. and trump is con artist enough to fidn a way.

>>720333440
Dont believe they are that dumb...
Maybe through taxes on Imports from mexico

this will cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars

most 'illegals' fly into the US btw.


trump still outsources 90% of his labor to mexico and china. murka's basically a 3rd world shithole now, with their retardation.

Only Jesus can walk on water so what is this thread supposed to be about...

>>720332942
you dont understand. we will make the damn wall from mexican corpses.

>>720333541
/thread

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>>720333358
For mediocre pay. Trump himself is guilty of hiring illegal immigrants. He's a hypocrite on top of everything else wrong with him. Everyone else who was born here has a better chance at a much better pay starting from "zero" than an undocumented immigrant ever will with such a status.

>>720333627
fuck off

>>720333358
They hire them because they don't have to pay taxes, insurance, social security or any of that for workers who don't exist.
A legal guy making $15 an hour really costs the company like $25 an hour.
Illegal guy can make the same and only costs straight up $15 an hour.
The illegal guy keeps his whole paycheck too, then he has anchor babies who qualify for government assistance, so the wife takes the kids down to the welfare office and says her husband makes $3 an hour picking tomatoes.
In areas where illegal workers have become the norm, companies who don't want to hire them are forced to anyway because they can't compete doing things legally.
So you get fucked for being a law abiding citizen just so the politicians can lure in voters to keep themselves in power.

>>720333029
>Most illegal immigrants travel by plane
only 48%
not even close to most... Just like Hillary was "Most" likely to win election right?? GTFO

>>720333769
sure, but when you end up doing the shitty job that illegals can do, you have a way worse pay than if there wasn't any illegals ?

So since the pay is so shitty ( because of illegals) it prevent american people from wanting to do these jobs, so american corporation use even more illegals, lowering the wage of unqualified worker etc...

>>720334056
post your source.

no source?

oh. alternate facts, huh.

sad!

>>720333945
sure, kid.

>>720333237
He doesnt want to stop mexicans coming into the country... he just wants them to do it legally. Fuck are u that close minded??
>my candidate lost so I'm going to sulk for 8 years and no matter what Trump does I'm going to hate him, even if he gave me a billion dollars he is still a Nazi and a sexist!! #ForeverWithHer
die

>>720334056
You have a source for that figure Anon?

>>720334284
>>720334392

where is your source that its "most" then cunt? huh? CNN reports? oh?
Pathetic.

>>720334236
americans can get millions of jobs making drugs and growing weed.

>>720334392
>>720334284
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/

Wow I even gave u guys credit of 8% and its still wrong... only 40% come by air into the US illegally.
No go cry on tumblr shillaryfags

>>720334236
The presence of undocumented immigrants doesn't affect your pay at all. If they get mauled by some machinery in an accident, no one gives a shit. The jobs are there, and they're there for Americans too, regardless of the presence of these people. There are more job openings of that sort than there are people who work them, if you look carefully in newspapers among job-searching sources. These people are just trying to make a better living than they make over there. Here's a fact: minimum wage in any state here hourly is over 10x what they get down there in a day only in value, and it gets even worse when comparing the currency to its own ability to provide its people services in their nation. Mexico is a real shithole for most. Unlike you who get announcements of jobs in newspapers, over there you would see the classified section being scarce or full of scams, not to mention the job pay can't pay for even 1/5 of the cost of living. Kicking them out is only inhumane, and their attempt at the American dream isn't affecting you in any way.
Another thing worth noting is that many people become illegal immigrants by not going back after their visas expire, but guess what nation's immigrants get all the hate for something immigrants from all over the world actually do. As if a stupid wall will block anything. 2017, the beginning of the braindead's term.

>>720334539
yawn

>>720334357
Do you have any idea of what the acceptance rate is, and how expensive it is for Mexicans to get a green card? If anyone's close-minded, that's you for your ignorance about the issue.

>>720334404
>britbong brexiter detected

>>720334056

Why when people question Trump, they have to bring up Hillary?

Are we not all in agreement that Hillary was a piece of shit too? Just a word of advice, DON'T do that. It accomplishes nothing and you end up looking like an ass.

>>720334567
You don't adress my point that the presence of illegals lower the wages, making these jobs unfit to be done by someone who doesn't accept living in such shitty condition.

Without illegals, the pay would be higher, and american will do the jobs

>>720332942
can't wait till he pisses of europe and chyna and turns america into a shitehole.

>>720333067
There's going to be guards along the wall

>>720334621
>its hard
Oh so who cares right? just let them in and do as they like then yea? Let actual citizens pay for their benefits and just have a giggle about it.

>>720334689
your implying I wasnt trying to look like an ass. Doesnt change the fact that your wrong and I proved it. now go home snowflake. run to your safe space.

>>720333176
Well Mr Retard, you tell me the difference between a wall and a fucking fence

>>720334700
The pay wouldn't be higher at all, but suppose it was. Most jobs out there require some form of documentation for the whole thing to work. From getting a bank account, to getting some form of background check done on you before you're even hired. Your point is not a point at all.

>>720334567
>The presence of undocumented immigrants doesn't affect your pay at all.

Supply and demand applies to the labour market and your wishful thinking won't change that.

>>720333400
Cut off some of the $1.8B in aid they receive from the US yearly

>>720334758
Pay for their benefits? They don't get benefits, because they have no documentation. No SSN, no registration, and the lowest wages available here. If anything, citizens are paying for a stupid wall that won't make anything change, and all of your prisoners in states like California.

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>>720333029
>Obama has deported more illegals than any president.
According to what factor? of course he has, if you consider his 8 years was the period that had more illegal immigrants to the USA ever.

Thats like dropping a virus in the usa, then releasing the cure and say, Obama cured the most people ever!

>>720334823
Supply and demand affect the labor market, but that's not the way it is affected. All Americans without exception can get better jobs than undocumented immigrants. Jobs that pay more, and jobs that have benefits. Supply and demand affect the job market, but it is not an effect which is felt because of how many job openings exist for Americans already. Maybe it's not abundant in professions, but it is abundant in jobs that already pay higher than minimum wage to begin with. Supply and demand will begin getting felt if these jobs where documentation is required disappeared all of a sudden, which is clearly not the case.

>>720334758
>now go home snowflake. run to your safe space.

That too. Being reductive also makes you an ass. If this were a debate, the entire crowd would be laughing at you.

>>720333358
all the farmers in central California who are basically the only GOP presence left in California relay on illegals to be able to harvest. this is Kevin McCarthys house majority leader bread and butter were talking about no white guy is gonna work 10 hours in the field a day for 50 bucks.
Trump will restore federal funding to any "sanctuary city " thats lets him build a hotel there.

>>720334866
>Illegal immigrant-headed households' use of welfare is high at 62 percent, higher than the 30 percent for households headed by native-born Americans.

http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households

>>720334957

>>720334725
Have you been in a coma? It's already a shitehole, faggot, and the last 8 years we hit bottom and started to dig

>>720334700
dude if your legal you have to get payed 7.50 an hour in the u.s. Illegals make maybe half that.
so their taking jobs no body wants to do at wages nobody wants.

>>720334993

Ah but it isnt a debate is it? It's /b/ fuckhead

>>720335011
Look at house and cash programs, not just at the welfare use. Even if you're in welfare, the amount of money these people can make is much less than the natives and legal immigrants can. Look at the whole picture.

>>720335111
Trips for the backup bro cheers.

>>720333509
I'm just waiting here for a trade war between US and Mexico, because Trump's ego can't handle the embarrasment of having to accept that the wall is a fucking ridiculous idea. And if they actually go to trade war, both countries are going to lose. Big time.

>>720335032
hahaha some can't adjust to a service economy.
poor fag detected!

>>720335009
then won't it be better for the USA as a nation if the wages were better and the worker were legal ? instead of low wages

>>720332942

Please.

I'd like an explanation on the land.

A lot of it is privately owned.

Then there's the fact that we know they have tunnels too.

>>720332942
SEAWALL

>>720334866
Mexico owes the USA roughly 25billion... They are going to build the wall to reduce that debt cunt. PLEASE do some research.

>>720333440

Just because he was able to con the US?

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>>720335111
it maybe /b/ but your argument is still shit
XOXO

>>720335072
yeah but if there weren't there, the people who pay them that low would be forced to rise the wage to at least the legal minimum.

Non murican here.

If the border is so big that its prohibitively expensive to build a wall then how are they gonna maintain this wall? Can't the Mexicans just try to chip through the wall? I read a month or so ago that Trump was gonna downgrade the wall to a fence - if this is the case then isn't it even easier to just cut the fence open?

Also, whats stopping them from building tunnels? Don't they already have elaborate tunnels that go across your border for smuggling drugs?

>Most illegal immigrants travel by plane
How does this work? Don't the illegals need visas to enter the country? Or is it that once they enter then they don't leave?

>>720334957
The biggest spike as in 2005, which is Bush Jr. But you know, alternative facts.

>>720335162
The trade war will fuck up Mexico much more than the US though. Mexico is a country that makes a lot of its GDP through the sale of crude oil, and the main buyer is the US. That sort of thing will actually make illegal migration increase. Families that were once well-off there will no longer have jobs that pay their cost of living, so they will look at the US as its only source. Why can't people see this?

>>720335251
The wall isn't a debt reduction. It's an idea that doesn't do shit. A waste of taxpayers' money.

>>720334734
Going to be the most boring fucking job in the world. Unless it's a patrolling type of guard, in which case anyone crossing will just time their entry.

>>720334758
Pulling numbers out of your ass isn't proof though.

Even if the 48% number is accurate, do you have proof that the other 52% go by land and not by sea?

>>720333358
Yeah but white people won't work picking strawberries and shit they'd rather be homeless

>>720334734
So why don't we just skip the wall and put more guards there?

Seems like that would be a lot cheaper

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>>720333029
Higher than ever before you mean and beaners walk across the boarder which is why southern Texas New Mexico Arizona and California have the high Hispanic population but you know any delusion and lie you need to make you not feel like a retarded cuck

>>720335360
You are not smart.

>>720334539
You mean you made up a figure and after fact checking you realized you were only off by 20%. Congratulations on your made up fact almost being accurate!

>>720335184
in the absolute long term yes.
but illegal labor is the reason food is as cheap as it is. also good luck trying to find any burger willing to work in a field all day for shit pay. food cost would increase a shit load.

>>720335251

So instead of useful funds with infinite potential, we are going to have the people trying to be kept out, build a wall that is supposed to keep them out.

Are the bean farmers still rioting down there? Was a news story a few days ago, but it's Mexico and nobody actually gives a fuck about it.

>>720335416
What a well-posed argument. Great job at making a fool of yourself. I congratulate you. Keep living in the illusion where people can't travel by air or water, and where people don't get visas.

>>720335286
The proposal also calls for about 5,000 more border patrol agents to be budgeted for. That along with cooperation with LE from border town will be more than enough to manage the ground.

I mean a lot of patrol work is just agents flying in biplanes at night with thermal cams and reporting illegals to ground patrols.

>>720335286

You're overthinking.

If the Mexicans build the wall themselves, it'll probably have spots where you push it and it just swings open on a hinge.

>>720333509
Say good bye to avacados and guacamole =(

>>720335411
you know that all of the south west was Mexico at one point and thats why theirs Mexicans there because it used to be Mexico and we didn't quite have the man power to deport every one after the Mexican war.

>>720335313
You cannot increase illegal immigration if the wall is built and managed appropriately. It will literally kill off the cartels by attrition and then maybe Mexico can clean up its corrupt as fuck politicians who are puppets for the cartel.

>>720335386
if you pay some guy enough they will do the job.

>>720335286
get a travel visa, over stay visa, become illegal.

>>720335506

I love big government!!

More bp agents! More surveillance!!

>>720332942
hahahaha get cucked you liberal fuck. Trump won, he is doing a good job and is keeping his promises. Learn to accept defeat, and maybe you will learn how to succeed

>>720335592
but then a strawberries are gonna be like 100 dollars a box.

>>720333237
Yeah it's not like they carry various infections and have violent criminal backgrounds. They never have and never will ever do anything wrong but us white people are evil monster things.

>>720333541
Yeah but aren't half the illegals named Jesus?

>>720335649

Good.

Too many shit strawberries around as it is.

>>720333135
>Illegal masturbation is at a 220 year high. Eminem has imported more illigals than any president. Most illegal masturbators travel by horse.

>>720334734
If the Night's Watch couldn't keep their wall manned, what makes you think the US can?

Building the wall is just one huge expense, keeping it defended is gonna cost a shitton of money as well. I hope you enjoy paying taxes.

>>720335439
i was under the impression than a lot of food produced in the US was only competitive because of government subvention and taxation against imports.

>>720335591
The cartel has fucking submarines and helicopters you don't think they won't find a way to get their product across? i saw the blue print for the wall it only goes maybe 10ft deep. The cartels have some many tunnels were already don't know about. you don't think that will just make more of them?

>>720335386
The U.S. is a fucking capitalistic society you ingrate, where there is an opportunity in the market for new products entrepreneurs will seize the opportunity.

>If all of the strawberry pickers were deported today
>in a week a highly efficient strawberry picker machine will have surged in value and people would be literally throwing money to get one
>companies who make them need to expand and hire more AMERICAN WORKERS

Mexico undercuts that system with their cheap ass slave labor

>>720335633
Maybe you'll finally be promoted to assistant manager at Burger King after all those years of hard work

>>720335591
Your fucking stupid. The cartel makes it money off the drug craving gringos. A wall hasn't stopped them nor will a bigger one.

>>720335591
You would be right if visas, planes, and ships didn't exist. Illegal immigration will increase if the US and Mexico go into a trade war, but the wall by itself won't make any changes.
Mexico won't be able to clean itself as long as its politicians only look out for themselves. If anything, cartels bring Mexico money with their sales more than the jobs generated there, since politicians only look out after themselves and not after their people. The problem also has external sources at fault. For instance, the US stealing some of the crude oil from under the gulf.

>>720335699

They should far it out!

Pay a private company! No one misses NASA.

Talk to the vice, so he can talk to his boyfriend at Backwater and....oh, this is what they'll do eventually, sell that contract to a company that'll hire ex no agents. The wall will be too much trouble but characterized as too necessary to bring down.

>>>/pol/109165649

>>720335654
Not blaming it on race, but rather on ignorance here. Most don't have criminal backgrounds. They have families to feed, and they work an honest job instead of involving themselves with cartels down there, where everything is at stake.

>>720335741
nahhh most of that subs goto grain crops that can be harvested by machines why corn is in everything in the US. and Maybe some taxation but america can grow almost anything it needs/ wants when it comes to food.

>>720335649
No they won't you fuck tard, prices are decided by the market.

>people won't pay $100 a box for strawberries
>farms need to lower prices to meet the market
>they will streamline and make production more efficient to bring down costs

captialism

>>720335143
Irrelevant, they're still a financial drain.

>>720335757
Not to mention crooked border portal agents.
"Steve take the money or we take your daughter - Cartels."
That shit happens.

>>720335673
how does increasing the cost of labor improve the quality of fruit?

>>720335765
You have never been to a strawberry field.

>>720335875
>america can grow almost anything it needs/ wants when it comes to food.

yeah but if the price for growing food in the US is to have illegals, making american people jobless, and creating crimes, maybe it's worth importing your cheap food, and only produce in the US the thing that doesn't need a lot of hard manual labor, or things that can be sold at high prices ( like organice food)

>>720335879

Bah, kids, don't understand.

We'll just bail them out while they restructure!

>>720335900
Our inmates are a much larger drain than immigrants will ever be. That wall will be a huge drain too. If the taxes are going down, and then there are all these huge projects going on, where is the money gonna come from? Hint: from the ones we're in debt with, making our debt even bigger.

>>720335879
>make production more efficient to bring down costs
and how do you reckon they do that normally? by hiering foreign cheap labor
it's the norm all over the world

>>720335968

Less will be shipped.

Without volume, and with higher prices, they'll have to concentrate on quality.

>>720335757
Obama was a fucking cuck and literally did nothing about the cartel and all of the drugs they are pushing into the country.

>Submarines
who was the U.S. Coast guard
>I'll also take Radars for 500 Alex

If you think that Cartels will be flying over metric fuck tons of drugs in Helicopters across a foreign border I have bad news for anon.

>the only reason that shit worked in the 70's was because they were U.S. private citizen planes

>>720335968
american companies will have to focus on produce that sell for a high price. Hence more high quality fruits

>>720335879
>inb4 farmers complain about not making enough money so they need subsidies

>inb4 they just automate the picking so those people who were willing to pick for $3 lose their source of income and the guys making the money will just dodge tax because who wants to pay to have all these lazy fuckers to sit around and cultivate mass

>>720335072
Yes, but if we cut the minimum wage to 3 per hour and cut all welfare then American's will be forced to do them, rather than mexicans.
Who fuckin cares if they dont like it. They are poor anyway.

>>720336020
>tu quoque

>>720335879
who the fuck is gonna work for minimum wage in the hot sun all day, when you could just as well get a job an store like target? they would have to pay more then minimum wage to attract workers
and even if they could get a work force of legals to work for minimum wage that would still be way more expensive then what it currently is to hire illegal labor. how would that not be passed to the consumer?

>>720336120

What? He should have trained them or given them more weapons? Sell their own drugs?

When that country's own government is infiltrated and corrupted by them, what can a foreign one do, especially when that foreign one's own people drive and fund the entity corrupting that country's government?

>>720335788
It won't stop them completely, but it will make shipments MUCH harder to get across with the wall and 5,000 more agents.

Honestly what I think is gonna happen is the Cartels, fed up with Emperor Trump will try something fucking stupid like an attempt on his life, then the U.S. may either send ground troops into Mexico or start a joint task force with Mexico to deal with the Cartel.

>>720336204
dude thats a fucking slave wage, do you know how much worse the poor would be? Crime would increase dramatically. thats less then 6 grand a year

>>720336274

They'll bribe the agents, silly.

Like they always do. It's just going to coat them more money to get it across driving up the cost of their own drugs.

There's your free market.

>>720336156
That's not true at all, marketing would take care of shit tier products, making them seem like high quality, but in reality it's Walmart brand, but at 7 times the cost

>>720335800
It's not that the politicians in Mexico look out for themselves, they are all bought out by the cartels. It's not like they have a choice either.

>Cartel to politician
>accept this payment and support our agenda
>Politician to Cartel, no
>Cartel to politician, it would be really good for the well being of your entire family if you accepted this payment
>Politician to Cartel, ok...

literally Mexico's entire government right now

>>720336120
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-mexican-cartels-move-drugs-border-2016-10/#drones-5

>>720336391

But no one could afford them from the Berrie picking job.

And that only works with new products.

>>720336048
>and how do you reckon they do that normally? by hiering foreign cheap labor
>it's the norm all over the world

Exactly, wouldn't you be pissed if your company told you that it was outsourcing your job to China? Foreign labor markets undercutting ours has literally destroyed manufacturing in the U.S., why do you think the service industry comprises 80.1% of all jobs now? Why are all 18-35 years stuck fucking waiting tables for tips?

>>720336120
burgers should have made drugs legal and put burgers to work making drugs. would
>rehabs cost less then prisons
> give people real drug education "NOT WEED IS THE DEVIL"
> RON PAUL!

>>720336199
>>inb4 they just automate the picking so those people who were willing to pick for $3 lose their source of income

There is nothing wrong with that if they weren't suppose to be making it in the first place. The money won't be sent back to their families in Mexico, it will be reenter the American economy like it should have in the first place.

Don't be silly, Mexicans don't have boats

>>720336449
Clearly a hyperbole on my part, but yeah which leads to hungry people which leads to disperation, which leads to violence.

And no it doesn't, it works on something as normal as water.

>>720336204
The American dream - hoping that some of your own countrymen could be turned into slaves, so that supporting domestic production wouldn't make stuff more expensive. Fucking hell, you guys don't need any external enemies if you hate each other that much.

>>720336263
Your wasting your time explaining things to some of these people

>>720336538
But the thing unless the US closes its borders to all trading, there will still be chinese made shit getting into your country and none of the stuff that your companies make locally will be able to compete with that price point.

The only way they can start to be competitive is if they automate out all the manual labor jobs but then you're back where you started - there's no unskilled labor jobs and the service industry is the only place to turn to.

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>>720336219
Hmm, let me see. If only there were entrepreneurs and engineers who wanted to invent machinery to improve production and market them to farms so that they could build successful firms..

If only..

>>720336538
i'm not disagreeing with you anon but the wall will not solve anything
if Mexicans can't do it they will find Chinese
if no Chinese then Indians
if no Indians then SA

bottom line is that you will always have cheap enough labor to source from the outside that nothing will change in the local job market the economy will not really gain much

>>720336538
automatization has destroyed manufacturing,
also do you know what the prices of shit would be if you had to compete with 3rd world children? MERCANS would be paid dimes on the hour or most goods would insanely expensive. then fuck learn to be a plumper or goto school and get a degree in STEM and move the human race forward.

>>720336723
how is this bot still not banned?

>>720336263
Hmm, you literally described the middle east pre 9/11.

>>720332942
>what is a bottleneck
You are fucking retarded op

>>720336274
They already have joint forces.
Some countries in Southern America have de criminalized growing coca leaf and kicked the US joint task force out.
It was creating more problems than solving them.

>>720336735
i agree with this, but i thought you were concerned with blue collared burgers. not engineers, engineers are doing fine in america i'm sure that would be a nice profitable project though.

>>720336396
That's not completely right. Cartels create jobs there. Taking out a head only means the next one down takes over. Much like a gang, but on steroids. You know, the politicians who only look after their own interests have been up there or changed for the same breed since 1936, after president Lazaro Cardenas del Rio ended his term. He was the last good president Mexico has had. The rest have marked an era of corruption, long before cartels were ever threatening the way they are today. You are somewhat right about the threats, but those happen only to the politicians who purposely try to go against cartels. The majority of them is made up by people who only look after their own interests while not giving a shit about their people.

>>720334734
basically like in warcraft 2 you set the grunts to patrol for enemy

>Whoops, a couple mexicans got in. It was worth a shot, but time to tear down the whole thing I guess.

>>720336384
Sure, agents will be bribed. However, corruption cannot possibly overtake the entire border patrol force. Cartels can't threaten agents families like they do in Mexico. You know what killing agents and cops does right? It'll bring the U.S. military into play, and nobody wants that, especially not the cartels.

>>720332942
I think the point is that currently there are parts of the border without even a fence and not watched at all. Instead there'll be an actual fence/wall along its entirety and patrolled better. That makes perfect fucking sense like how can you deny having a walled border is a bad idea??

>>720335251
That is a good idea

they will provide the tacos and ice cold horchata for our workers too, someone tell trump

>>720333135
Illegal immigration is at a 10 year low. Obama has eaten more illigals than any muslim. Most illegal immigrants travel by catapult.

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>>720336968
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>ITT all the same fags that insisted the price of oil would never drop if we frakked our own, laughed at Trump as a candidate saying he could never win, and wouldn't know an idea based on logic if it was fucking them in the ass with a foot long nigger cock

>>720336694

You need a "dirty" alternative then.

Bottled water can only sell because there is a free alternative that bottled water markets as dirty.

It's not that simple.

>>720336430
Yeah, I understand they have crafty fucking ways of moving shit dude. The fact remains, with a wall and an army of agents, it will make moving the shit wayyyyy harder. That will make the business less profitable and the cartels less powerful.

>>720336274
ground troops in to one of most valuable trading partners/allies because a crime group did something. also you implying that cartel doesn't have influence in the US because the US drug market is a fucking billion dollar untaxed industry and they not have lobbys but they got friends in high places.
>IB4 HE DRAINED THE SWAMP.

>>720336917
Thats why the Medellín Cartel fell apart after Escobar was killed... Oh wait..

>>720336663
Yeah but now that shit's been automated there's no unskilled jobs left. There's jobs for the engineers and technicians who work on the machines, jobs for the sales company and the farmer will keep the rest of the money.

There's no trickle down money here for the unskilled laborers - they just turn into slaves waiting tables for the rich folk unless you guys start a universal income scheme. That's probably decades away with your political system though

>>720337017
look up Oklahoma earthquakes and flammable water real quick.
and were already 75% independent of foreign oil and were most likely gonna strike a deal with russia and get theirs.

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>>720337017
I never thought the oil would not drop, but frakking seems a bit harmful to the environment especially drinking water everybody uses.

>>720336384
Putting money in american's hands! The plan's foolproof.

>>720336709
>there will still be chinese made shit getting into your country and none of the stuff that your companies make locally will be able to compete with that price point.

This is precisely why emperor Trump is working to renegotiate trade deals and pacts we currently have with those countries. Trump can also use Tariffs to make companies, who outsource labor to slave markets in China, re-evaluate the manufacture arrangement.

>>720336941
Expect that they do exactly that right now.
The US is not going to be sending its troops to die fighting drug dealers in a other country.....Unless we want the countries resources.

>>720336941

The more hires, the more faults.

The more parts a system has, the more things can go wrong. It doesn't need to overtake the entire thing. Just the lowest paid guy who is right in front of them.

And I know for a fact border patrol agents take measures to hide their identities when commuting from and to the job because that is indeed a risk and the military has yet to get involved.

>>720332942
Sea mines

>>720337017

Laying off IS helped the price, anon.

>>720336745
>What is a tariff

Like I said, Trump wants to renegotiate trade deals we have with those countries who are clearly undercutting our labor markets. Obama was all about free-trade, which is a good thing, but Obama didn't realize that we just cannot compete in the labor market when third-world countries are paying it's workers slave wages.

>>720337264
But the thing is it'll never be like the good old days where you can go do a hard days work stitching jeans. It'll be too expensive to hire labor in the USA for that so those jobs will just be automated out. Sure that makes more money for the engineers and shit but what are the unskilled workers gonna do? There's no jobs now and shit just got more expensive

I think they're called wetbacks for a reason.

>>720337048
meh, it will add another obstacle in some places, but capitalism finds a way. america will get its drug fix some how and Mexico will provide

>>720335251
i hope you are just young or trolling

>>720337124
Times have changed. The Sinaloa cartel is still strong. Cartels are stronger than they've ever been. Thank them for the drugs you have too, for our good-for-nothing edgy faggot kids take the drugs that get smuggled here.

>>720333945
>The illegal guy keeps his whole paycheck too,

okay m8 go back to the whole you came from cause clearly you know jack fucking shit about how they do shit.

many of them actually do pay into social security and all the other fucking taxes that are taken out when one gets their paycheck. Without any of them being able to receive any of the benefits due to being illegal.

Oh and they cost the same since the company cant make it to obvious that they have illegal workers due to getting in legal shit if they do.

many of them get fake papers to work so through that they have to pay for like social security since they need a number to work. The company that hire them don't check them well though since they don't give a fuck and are given the benefit of the doubt since gay lame legal shit.


The only actual tax that illegals dont pay is Income tax since even if they could they would more than likely get a refund anyway so its stupid to want them to get involved something that would end up just giving them money.

Illegals do greatly support local economies since they pay sales tax and the such that helps the local governments fund the shit they do.


Like fuck you dumb nigger as fags who pretend to know anything on anything that just conveniently lines up exactly well to the way you want shit to be to be able to complaing about it falsely like a dumb fag.
No matter what every dumb politician tells you illegal immigration is good and the corporations profit god damn greatly from them due to be able to treat them harshly like no over time and shit.

Like yall being tricked into punching down an economic class to divert your attention as to who are the real people screwing you over. and its sad as to how fucking well it works.

>>720336751
Automation did not destroy manufacturing, if streamlined and made production that much more efficient. Jobs will still be there, people have to make those machines, build the factories, work in quarries to mine raw materials, steel will still be made in American steel mills.

>>720337048

Hopefully they won't have too much understanding on the wall and whatever measure

>Mexicans will build it.

Uh...

>>720336850
What I meant by Joint Task Forces, was the U.S. Marines going in and literally obliterating the cartels.

>They are seriously a bigger than than Al-Qaeda and ISIS combined.

>>720337017
price of oil did not drop because of frakking you ignorant cunt. you have no idea how the oil market is controlled obviously
read something that is not on buzzfeed orfox new once in a while

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>>720337444
In case you haven't noticed, the rust belt is moving to Mexico.
And if you think there aren't any jobs NOW, I've got really bad news for you.
Historically, unemployment goes up when the republicans are in the white house.

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>>720337591

Marines invading Mexico? What could go wrong?

>>720336863
Blue collar workers are not left out of this scenario anon, engineers design the machines, and Managers oversee production, but they will still need a force of operational level employees.

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this dude has the right idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vspJVmiE7rE&t=0s

>>720337630

It's a fence now though.

And I don't expect anything out of Jurassic Park either.

>>720337648
>Marines invading Mexico? What could go wrong?
It worked out OK in the 1850's.

>>720337520
But now that you see that machines make production much more efficient you keep making new machines to reduce the number of people you need

>>720337697

It was a different time.

>>720336917
Cartel jobs? Seriously? Selling drugs and killing your civilians is not the way an economy should be funded.

>>720337500
not if you legalize drugs, ending the war on drugs would solve a bunch of problems for merica and latin america. just embrace freedom and let people smoke weed and do coke, tax the shit out of and put it towards schools.

>>720335699
The Night's Watch didn't have drones, surveillance cameras, and motion detectors.

>>720337780

The Cartels employ people outside the trafficking aspect.

It's a multinational enterprise. They have their own cell towers even, and they need maintenance. Program their own Sims and everything.

>>720337060
You are delusion if you think the cartel has that high of an influence on U.S. politicians.

>>720337663
it's a solid plan, but you got build the cotton gin before you start killing your slaves.

>>720337152
The more money that is in the U.S. economy, the more jobs are created in the U.S.

>besides, engineers have to design and manage the machines, but they don't pop out of thin fucking air
>miners mine the ore
>factory workers smelt the steel
>machine shops design and make the machines
>someone has to drive those parts to the farm

>>720337780
It's the only way that can fund Mexico, because of the shitty politicians who only care about themselves.
>>720337788
Legalizing drugs will remove jobs from both the cops and the cartels. Both sides benefit from it, which is why they will not be legalized for a long time. It's a lot like war, which is only an opportunity to make profit by selling weapons to both sides. Even though legalizing drugs is the right move, it's not going to happen because of the jobs and money it generates.

>>720332942
easy op.
a stupid millennial thinks he has an argument.
got it?
good.

>>720337295
If they try start killing border agents to move their shit across the border I bet you fuckin A they will.

>>720337861
of course not within the feds, but states and shits you know some people are getting paid to look the other way. this a major business you can't stop it with a wall.

>>720337616
Are you gonna sit here and cite historic unemployment rates? You're fucking graph is soooooooo skewed

>what is the oil crash of the 80's

>>720337997
not true most people with a ton of wealth don't spend very much of it,
poor people always spend a larger amount of their income then rich counter parts. you need people to buy shit and some wall street kike buying a Benz and a plane is enough to stimulate the economy you need the lower classes spending money.

>>720338147

They pass the costs down to the American public that finances their efforts. And the American public will pay since its illegal goods they are getting.

See, wealth doesn't trickle down ever, but costs do.

Viva El free market.

>>720337753
Sure, expect machines don't last for fucking ever numb nuts. Machines break down and need to be repaired, and lifespan for a machine is not twenty fucking years believe it or not.

>>720338147
how does a less powerful cartel help america? it just destabilizes Mexico further resulting in more immigrants, which creates coyotes(people movers not the animal) etc...

>>720337849
So the Nazi's were good because they employed soldiers and payed a livable wage huh?

>inb4 Godwin's law

trump wants to triple the number of ICE agents to 60,000.

double the number of border guards to 45,000.

he means business. you'll have roughyl 45,000 border guards roaming along the border. huge concrete walls, infrared camera and motion sensors. its going to be a huge thing.

>>720338364
>create machine that repairs machine

>>720337898
Well right now there is no need for one, so it isn't even something worth looking into.

>>720338298
>You're fucking graph is soooooooo skewed
So it's just an amazing coincidence that for almost a hundred years unemployment went up under every single Republican administration and (except for Carter) went down under every single Democrat?
And you think this won't happen under Trump because...?

>>720338448

No, you reactionary fuck.

Just stating the fact that criminal organizations create jobs apart from the illegal ventures.

>>720338458
>yuge
Ftfy

>>720338458
most Americans didn't care about a wall in the first place, most would take it if given, but adding 20billion on to the federal budget from isn't gonn sit well with alot of Americans especially, when Mexicans are still here and jobs don't come back.

>>720332942
Functional and symbolic. It's like locking your door even though you have windows. We should have done it 75 years ago.

>>720338090
Of course it won't completely stop it, but it will make life pretty fucking difficult for them

>>720338458

What an elite force that'll be.

The larger the better. I wonder why they don't expand the navy SEALS and send like 2,000 in as well.

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>>720332942
you thought a wall would stop us

>>720338615
>most would take it if given
Wrong.

>but adding 20billion on to the federal budget from isn't gonn sit well with alot of Americans especially,
Right.

Also, a lot. Not alot. It's two words.

Hey, it's not like the Mexicans can build tunnels that are miles long, right?

>>720338350
Ha, I bet people will pay $1000 for an ounce of shit weed from Mexico, or they will just drive on over to a state that sells it legally.

>Which will happen in the next decade or so

>>720338615

save 20 billion in the first year from not supporting the freeloaders

>>720338634
but why use a wall? America should just legalize drugs here and put burgers to work growing weed and shit. thats the only real way to stop the cartels. beat the shit out of them economically

>>720338423
Are you insinuating that a strong cartel is good for the Mexican government?

>>720338754

Yes, because weed is surely the most addictive substance they carry.

>>720338634
most illegals fly in on holiday, and then don't go back. Wall will do nothing.

>>720333237
>They don't steal your jobs because they don't have documents
Why would you hire legal workers you have to pay minimum wage to, and potentially provide benefits for, when you can hire illegals for far less than that?
It's far more the government's fault for turning blind eyes to business practices, but still. No illegal workers, its no longer an option to begin with.

>>720338794

What's the distinction between the two anyways?

>>720338492
No you dolt, new ones will have to be manufactured.

>>720338694
the majority of GOP's voters would support increased border protection if it wouldn't raise taxes, how is that not true?

>>720333373
He will probably stop funding Mexico and will use that money instead. So it will cost Mexico

>>720333400
This

>>720335765
Yea, because government intervention in the market is so capitalist, you retard

>>720338853
right, but the majority of people who voted did so for hillary, not trump. ergo, the majority of people (as you said) are not "GOP's voters"

>>720338521
Yup, because that is the goal of every single Republican administration, to destroy jobs and fuck America.

Meanwhile the democrats try to tax it into prosperity.

>>720338885

That's a teens view of economics.

It's not even their money. They never got it.

Like I'm about to give you five bucks and decide to get a sandwich with the five bucks and later I'm such a loser I claim you bought me lunch?

>>720335363
>Any security job is fun
Could do what South Korea did and install automated .50 cal rifle turrets.

>>720332942
>What is Coast Guard.
>What is Navy.
>What is radar.

>>720338524
And your point is?

>>720338853
A majority of the country are not GOP voters.

>>720338852
>38759 ▶
by machines, admit blue collared jobs are on their way out.

>>720339004

Just try to read back and keep that composed demeanor you got now, it's a good look.

>>720338760
Because the federal government is not going to legalize weed today and this is the only way we can deal with it.

>>720339057

Why not?

>>720339005
true

>>720339057
thats so fucked.

>>720339051
>Cartels kill Mexican students and citizens
>Cartel bribes and corrupts the Mexican Government
>But Cartel also diversified its portfolio beyond drugs so he really isn't a bad guy

this is how fucking stupid you sound right now.

>>720339114
That's politics my friend.

>>720334056
48% is actually damn close to "most." Furthermore, though it fails to be a majority, it's very obviously a plurality.

Get fucked, idiot.

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>>720332942
i'm impressed with you all /b/ros very little name calling, people actually discussing different points of view with facts.
/b/ is far better then /pol/ for this shit who knew.

>>720332942
That'll be one big and expensive wall, oh boy!

>>720339282
also Trump appointed a shit skin to head the FCC who is anti Net Neutrality.

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The fucking wall.

Basic rule of any negotiation: When you want a kitten, demand an elephant.

Is the "wall" the target? Or is the "wall" the leverage?

>>720339281
48% could easily be the largest minority

>>720339429
That's kinda exactly what plurality means.

>>720339415
Now that is the kind of critical thinking that I like

600+ miles to cover at a cost of anywhere from $8B - $25B. Sounds legit lol.

>>720339510
Is it, though? Leverage against WHO? You think Mexico really cares if we build that wall? Fuck no. If it's leverage against anyone, it's leverage against the American taxpayers.

Ok, ok, I won't build the dumb, expensive wall... IF you all agree to build the 500ft monument of me.

>>720339415
i will give trump credit if gets a redo on trade deals because of this bs, but his base will pissed about no actual wall.

>>720339592
>You think Mexico really cares if we build that wall?

Yes, they do. There is an overwhelming portion of Mexican citizens who are actively protesting their Presidents meeting with Trump.

Also
>The cartels DO NOT want the wall to go up

>>720339592
Mexico doesn't gain/lose anything from us building a wall.

>>720339405
He also appointed a pro settlement Jew to ambassador of Israel

USA deserves any terrorist attack they get

>>720339679
because he called them rapist! and because his support from neo nazis and shit is a big deal in brown countries.

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I'm on 4chan!

>>720339592
Also, it's not like he's literally delusional and only cares about himself.

>He already made companies rethink outsourcing manufacturing
>signed exec. orders to advance pipelines, bringing back more jobs
>is meeting with Auto industry heads to talk about getting us MORE JOBS

>>720339701
They gain thousands of jobs in the cement industry

>>720339753
i don't get how Neo Nazis are still sooooo in love with Trump with him being the biggest zionist of them all. i understood why the voted for bush but weren't excited.
also i'm expecting neo nazi's to use critical thinking so whos the stupid one?

>>720339785
Those pipelines benefit Alberta, not the USA

Read many comments, it looks like people from US who voted for Trump are really into the idea and see it has a positive and big change, sadly on the news not much are talking about the good sides of it. It looks like solution that is too big for a "big" problem. Pretty sure Illegal immigration isn't that bad for the economy, I'd like real info and not trump lovers vs trump haters.

>>720339873
They'll just jump ship. "Jews aren't even that bad, fuck Muslims tho"

>>720333945
Illegal immigrant here, things get taken when the paycheck arrives.

>>720339882
>Pipeline starts in ND & heads in Illinois

Yeah, Alberta man.

>>720333945
It would be cheaper to audit and penalise companies than spend billions on a wall

>>720340031
Keystone XL connects alberta to Texas

>>720339189

Why are you associating the fact they have other interests and assets with being good?

>>720333945
This only happens in fields with unskilled labor though, so stay cucked loser

>>720339936
Almost all big media outlets are corrupt. I mean the debate moderators literally talked shit and singled out Trump, gave debate questions to Hilary in advance.

>Soooooo fucking funny that Trump refused to answer question from CNN's WH correspondent and told him to shut up and hes fake news

>>720339785
>kind of... companies had preexisting plans to move some plants back.but his campaign on america first probably effect a few companies policy.
>those pipelines are owned by leafs and will only bring a 100 or repair jobs that will stay. also oil fucking everywhere and all the bad press that he get over the injuin thing. also he owns stock in those companies so he is definitely getting a piece of the action.
>meeting with heads of big companies is pretty regular for all POTUS's Dems and Reps. so i'll give him credit for that when it happens.

>>720337514
This. Is correct

>>720334056
Majority in the loose term for largest group

>>720340162
Nice alternative facts

>>720340097
So a pipeline that Trump said would be built with AMERICAN pipes and AMERICAN labor, and makes 90% of its run through AMERICAN states will only benefit Alberta? lmao

>>720340162
>talked shit? you mean try to get him to answer for his lies and other bullshit.

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>>720339936
Problem is that half the people with real info *are* trump haters, and the trump lovers will automatically shit on any discussion anyway. You're talking about people who implicitly trust "alternative fact" retardation. Because they're, y'know, retards.

>>720334539
Theirs also the nearly half that come in legally and overstay on thier visa's. They probably came in by air as well

>>720340167
>also he owns stock in those companies so he is definitely getting a piece of the action.
So do I :) TRP has gone up like $2 since the announcement

Isn't that conflict of interest for the POTUS though?

>>720332942
The navy will scupper their ships or arrest them. Dumass
plus how many mexicans can afford a seaworthy boat and supplies for travel.

>>720340217
>AMERICAN pipes
Keystone XL pipes were manufactured in Canada m8. Keep believing your God emperor Trump though

>>720340261
yes, yes it is. a pretty fucking big one.

>>720332942
sea mines fgt

>>720337514
also their whole argument against them is
>they don't speak the language
>they don't have any skills or education
and their taking our jobs. what kind of fucking loser loses his job to an illiterate who can't speak english.

>>720340217
>90% of its run through AMERICAN states will only benefit Alberta? l
I don't think you understand what pipelines do. They get petroleum products to gulf coast which opens up Canadian oil to the international market thus making the price of Canadian oil better reflect global prices.
The key benefactor is Alberta. It's not like fucking Nebraska gets a pay cheque from the pipeline company every month.

>>720340118
Because all businesses have a thing called SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, that's why you fuckwit.

I don't care if all you wanted to state was that Cartels have "diverse interests" other than drugs. Those other jobs they create through drug money are not sustainable.

>>720340476
Trumpanzees

>>720340261

Immense.

I'm more pissed with everyone else allowing this than with him.

>>720334567
It does affect your pay.
While you're going to pay the same amount of taxes regardless, it does affect you ability to get work.
Since illegals take up the manual labor jobs because it is cheaper for that employer to pay them illegally (cash, no taxes being withheld, not paying into workers comp insurance or Medicare/SS, etc.), that creates less available work positions for citizens in that work tier.
Since there is now less positions at the lowest tiers of work, that forces those with the initiative to get training/certification/education and seek other fields, thus increasing the competition pool for your chosen field as well as others.
Couple that with the various PC/ACLU policies, if you're a white male, you're less likely to get a poisition if a woman or "minority" applies for the same spot even if they are less qualified.
While it may not affect your pay, it does affect your ability to get paid.

This is like when people complain about a higher minimum wage and get it and then mcdonalds come out with robotic cashiers. Do you really think apple picking will ever be a sustainable job for someone living in america? Farmers cannot afford to pay legal wages for such an unprofitable product.
Fact is America has been taking advantage of its poor southern neighbor to pay subsistence level cash for cheap labor. The pay for such jobs will not be able to exceed cost of living in the usa. This is something the Republicans know and trump is too fucking blind to realize he's going to fuck over a pretty good systwm. A system he's taken advantage of in the past.

>>720340189
Yup, just like the fact that CNN 'leaked' the story that Trump was compromised by Russian officials to buzzfeed while NONE OF IT WAS VERIFIABLE

>They literally did it for ratings

>>720340510

Do they?

I mean, are drugs out of vogue now, how is it not sustainable? They make money, the governments efforts to stop them are insincere at best. It's not like they offer dental I imagine, so it's not all roses.

>>720340243
So CNN can leak unverifiable stories about our commander in chief to make his public perception negative? Are you okay with big media doing that with no repercussions?

>>720340600
sorry bubs this an capitalist country y'all better get used to a service based economy acquire some skills to make you competitive in the market place or get BTFO.

>>720334734

That just means they can be bribed. See Great Wall of China for reference.

>>720340668
are you telling me for profit news channels do shit for... for profit? get the fuck out of here? what next your gonna tell me public officials can be corrupted?

>>720332942
Fuck of Pablo

>>720340254
Go ahead, tell me how Donald Trump has ruined your America snowflake.

>I'll listen :^)

>>720340739
CNN informed people that Trump and Obama were given a briefing about national security in regards to Russia. never talked about the pee pee stuff only talked about the fact that their was a security briefing.
Buzzfeed did fuck up by posting all that shit thought even CNN admitted that. but what do you expect from fucking a click bait website.

>>720340476
You and Pablo go to apply at the only work you're qualified to do - shoveling shit.
You speak English (marginally), have a public education, and have somewhat reliable transportation when your mom isn't at the bingo hall or casino gambling and whoring around.
Pablo speaks somewhat passable English, no real education to speak of, and a donkey to get to work on.
You as an American citizen have to be paid $7.25 an hour because of federal minimum wage laws. If you're in some states, it's higher yet. He also has paperwork he has to do weekly for your paycheck, and more paperwork at the end of the year to send out to the IRS and the state tax commission.
Pablo is an illegal. Employer can get away with paying him $3.75 an hour, cash, and doesn't have any paperwork to fill out weekly and nothing to send to the IRS and state tax commission at the end of the year.
Which one is a employer going to take if he can get away with it?
You just lost your job to a non English speaking worker.

>>720340367
Go watch him sign the executive order for the XL pipeline. He explicitly states that the pipes will be made in America and put in the ground with American labor

>>720340740
Even if you acquire the "skills" - if you're a white male, you'll still lose out because of political correctness and diversity laws.

>>720340506
We benefit from the BUILDING of the pipeline, that is what trump wants. JOBS

>>720340686
Yes, they do.

And yes, you are right the government efforts to stop them are insincere, that is because the Mexican government is completely corrupt. And it is not sustainable with the wall President Trump will be building.

>>720340930
so? this a capitalist country. good for employer being a smart business man.
you unions are useful in situations like this too bad Reagan fucking raped them to shit in the 80's cause a bunch of useless air traffic controllers (who needs those?) wanted to be paid over time

>>720341111
you know unions* excuse me the hour is late.

>>720340805
I don't know if you are okay with CNN spewing lies to the American people, but I'm not.

>that shit influences our legislature dude

>>720340981
bullshit you are just making excuses. work harder get an education. stop complaining

>>720340920
Defamation by proxy is not acceptable.

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>>720341253
you're telling me...

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>>720332942

Oh my god, he's done it, how on earth will the United states of America stop this !

>>720341337
Fucking suck it up, did you see what Fox News did to Obama the last 8 years?
Trump started his entire political career spewing lies to the burger public

>>720341389
good use, of a b2 bomber and aircraft carrier. very cost effective.