Thoughts on Fascism?

>>720267562
could work with some minor adjustments

>>720267782
like what?

>>720267865
Without blantant anti-semitism and racism. Anti-immigrationism is good, but the other two will only get you sanctioned internationally

>>720268046
I understand you, but proper Fascism has nothing todo with anti-semitism or racism. Its more about the "good for the state"

it's a life choice for weak people, who can't get the thumb outta their asses without a strong leader telling 'em so

>>720269088
Unless you want to be that strong leader

>>720267562
The only modern fascists are ANTIFA. Silencing opinions is fascism, that is all those turbocucks do.

Thank god for the new felony riot act that puts them in jail for up to ten years.

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>>720269088
Pretty much this. With the exception of the dictator them self, all authoritarians are weak minded paper tigers waiting to be told how to feel and what to think. This is why they are so afraid of Antifa, because everyone who joins Antifa arrived there by their own mind and strength of character, i.e., everything fascists lack.

i dont give a shit
antifa is more annoying but i dont really like either side

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>>720269497
Only a fascist would say Antifa is fascist, in order to discredit it. Also, you must understand, fascists only speak a language of hate and violence, it is the core of their concept, that they can dominate and exterminate any group that opposes them. This is why it is acceptable to respond to them with violence. It's the only thing fascists understand.

>>720269197
then you're just another weakling with control issues that rely on power in order to feed your fragile ego. that's why all leaders are horrible

>>720269519
Well that's just bullshit, you're just sucking a new master's dick and pretending you're some fucking neo-ranger.

>>720270129
What master? You have no point. You have no reason or logic. Fuck off and die, nazi scum.

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>>720269755
ok mr eloquent fuck off with your justifications and thought policing

Fascism only works in the mind of fascists. In the real world it never works.

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Here's a little proof that violence is all they understand. This is an article Richard Spencer wrote. He calls for genocide. This is the language they use and understand. It can only be met with extreme violence.

>>720267562
Most people say they're against it but would think differently if they ruled the word

>>720270258
Listen to you, fool. You're sucking another random organizations dick like a good little bitch, and imagine you're above it all, lol. I'm sure you're just the perfect little disposable tool.

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>>720270434
You have no real response. You are a paper tiger, a spineless worm governed by mindless emotion and hate. Stay ignorant, child.

>>720269755
It's funny to hear your rationalizations, because what you advocate is fascism clear and simply, while somehow, double thinking that it is not.

You're completely unreasonable, and your position is illogical and untenable. You say fascits only speak a language of hate and violence. Well, as far as I can see, that's the only language you speak.

>>720270301
I've studied fascism as a history student, and know that it's about a strong nation state. I was just trying to stop people from associating fascism with racism, although I didn't write that in the best terms

>>720267562
ITT millennials pretend to be smart.

>>720270473
Random organization? I need no ties to any group to be anti-fascist. I came to my conclusions by myself. I carry no membership cards. You need to make less general assumptions if you are to be taken seriously.

>>720270710
You don't know anything about the rest of my views, and you are making assumptions that reach farther than your mind is capable of. The large majority of Antifa have a great love for their fellow human beings, it is the exact reason why they are Antifa.

>>720270882
Antifa is an organization, which you are espousing allegiance to.

>>720271223
Antifa is a concept, much like the black bloc. Not an organization.

>>720271166
that's bullshit. You're probably a nutter who can't even think straight. You talk about love for fellows in one post while advocating violence in another.

You're nothing but a young fool, and a tool for someone else, with that kind of mindset.

>>720271346
No, antifa is a militant terrorist group, which you are claiming solidarity with.

>>720271375
You forget that being a fascist makes you not human. You are attempting to be something else, and separate yourself from the rest of humanity.

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>>720270589
peepee poopoo? me command respect on anonymous imageboard?

>>720271494
Well if you refuse to conceptualize basic ideas then there is no point in debating anything with you.

>>720271513
Define fascism

>>720271513
That's what you're doing, and your cult and their leaders know that. You're a brainwashed fool and nothing but a tool to your masters, who I'll remind you have already told you who the "fascists" are, and sent you to burn the witches at the stake, you poor little fool.. or should I just say Tool?

>>720271738
What cult? What leaders? Do you refer to glorious Marx, or maybe even Trotsky?

>>720271595
Well, you just come out talking about "antifa" and that's what it is, a fucking extremist militant group. So if you don't want to be associated with that, then define yourself personally instead of just associating with what is basically a terrorist organization.

>>720268046

The point is to make a country completely self reliant so that sanctions wouldn't matter. Fuck jews. they should all die.

>>720271889
Do you even know what Antifa is? lol, dude, what are you like 17, and think you're going to usher the revolution in? aaaaaaHAHAHAHAA

>>720271920
So you would support the people that Antifa claims to combat? yes? So you must be a card carrying KKK member or one of those neckbeard basement dwelling MRA redpill retards?

>>720272044
Antifa means anti-fascist, and the majoprity of the time, we fall somewhere on the anarcho-communist spectrum. So, wtf are you talking about?

Better than socialism

>>720272068
lol, just look at you go...

Fuck antifa, and fuck you for even thinking they are worthy of any praise. They are subversive anti-establishmentarians who are nothing short of plain old anarchists probably largely unknowingly working for and funded by some foreign state trying to subvert the lawful government of whatever nation they are operating in.

>>720269519

antifa faggots think they're revolutionaries but don't realize they're footsoldiers for globalism. The rich (((men))) with yachts they claim to hate lol

>>720272320
I should hope so, this country needs international intervention.

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>>720269755
antifa are not facists, just a bunch of hippie-tree-huggers that likes to smoke pot & complain about a society they contribute nothing to

this could be an interesting thread if both sides stopped calling each other brainwashed/cultists/mindless followers and discussed ideas instead.

>>720272189
It's a terrorist group, fool. They are probably state sponsored agents, too, which makes you a fucking tool.

If you have a problem with something, say it, but you coming out talking about your solidarity with Antifa doesn't say anything except that you think subversive tactics such as terrorism are great, apparently.

What do you think fascism is?

>>720272452
Fascists cannot comprehend anything past a boot to the teeth

>>720272508
>>720270434

>>720272533
You talk the talk and walk the walk of fascism yet pretend to be some kind of polar opposite. sounds more like teen angst and more than a little bit of identity confusion, to me.

>>720272508
Terrorist, freedom fighter, whatever you want to call it.

>>720272759
I'm not sure you're responding to who you think you are

>>720272847
You're mr antifa right? You don't even know what fascism is.

>>720272940
Nope, not that dude. He's a bit much. You're just as bad though. This whole thread is cracking me up.

>>720273090
It doesn't matter if you're him or not, you said:

>Fascists cannot comprehend anything past a boot to the teeth

Which puts you on the same level, fool.

>>720273238
And I would treat communists the same way. Don't pretend to know my politics from one statement.

>>720272407
How about you set fire to a car in D.C and we'll talk to your pathetic fascist ass in ten years time? They dont have hair dye in prison btw

>>720273403
I don't have to know your fucking politics to know you've got the reasoning skills of a fucking bullfrog by that one statement.

>>720269519
>They are weak in mind and self confidence, which is why they go out and hurt people and tell them to think like them
>So in return I'll go out and hurt people and tell them to think like me because I'm right on this matter
What is Horse Shoe Theory?

>>720273481
lol sure kiddo, whatever. Fact of the matter is, is that fascism and communism are unamerican.

>>720273582
>What is Horse Shoe Theory
this

>>720269755
>Only a jew would call someone a jew, zionist shitlord!

Do you not see how you are the nu-nazis

>>720273582
It's a fairly blatant form of the argument to moderation fallacy. It basically states the centre is the only way foward despite the 'centre' being something that is constantly shifting (see also: the Overton window concept). If you want to see how this works just try applying the Horseshoe to an occidental society a century ago; you will probably notice 'centrists' have completely different values then they would have today.
It boils down all political ideologies and movements that aren't liberal democracies to the status totalitarian regimes. It completely ignores the many ideologies which don't consist in massive totalitarian regimes (or in layman's terms "anarchists don't real"). While there might be some similarities between some ideologies on the left and right it doesn't mean much of anything. After all, you wouldn't call all vegetarians Nazis because Hitler was vegetarian himself; it would be farcical.

>>720273787
nice misdirection

>>720273582
>>720273743
bad political theory, is what horse shoe theory is. but its easy to swallow, making it appealing to folks who don't want to think

antifa is an organization the same way that Anonymous is

>it isn't

>>720274255
Exactly

>>720267562
love it.

>>720274019
you could argue that the extreme end of any side is appealing to folks who don't want to think as well. all or nothing.

>>720273630
Well, "americanism" is whatever anyone wants it to be at any time, as far as I can tell. It's just individualism, and some individuals only feel whole as part of some greater extremist organization, apparently....

>>720273808
Oh you're absolutely right. The Overton Window does play a big part in what is considered centrist, but I'm not a centrist.
My comment on horse shoe theory is that both sides are overtly authoritarian with different ideas on why people should be controlled by the state. That is their main similarity. Absolute control over daily functions of life by state intervention/legislation.

>>720274522
It could also be argued that leftist extremists (I don't consider SJWs and people who practice identity politics are extremists, but neoliberals) actually give thought to their positions and do not base their politics entirely on emotions, like rightist extremists.

>>720274866
Your comment on horseshoe theory is dumb because horseshoe theory is dumb. Again, it is bad political science.

>>720274866
Anarchists do not want control ceded to the state.

Argument fail

>>720274942
But right extremists don't base it entirely on emotion either. They look at statistics, like crime and poverty, disease, etc and see a pattern(sic) within racial make-up. They don't come to their conclusions based only on emotions.

>>720274793
We fought a war against fascists and had decades of cold war against communists. I'd say that it's pretty American to be against both of them.

>>720275189
It really seems that conservatives do what you are describing. Conservatives are not extremists but center-right.

>>720273927
Its still violent thought policing. You may not be setting caged captives on fire in the middle east but you are injuring innocent civilians, damaging their property that they worked hard to earn, blocking traffic preventing them from doing said work.

You are still scum. And if nationalism/fascism boils over like it has so many times in the past, it will be organisations like Antifa that will be personally responsible. You are a walking , talking nazi recruitment officer

>>720275244
France is a Fascist state and look at it. Full of fucking cucks!

>>720275492
How can _anti_ fascism be responsible for fascism?

You right wingers are nuts

>>720275164
Antifa's are ideologically not supposed to be anrachists, they are supposed to simply be anti-fascists, but it's such an absurd ideology, basking in violence, that it attracts anarchists and anti-esablishmentarians in general.

It's just another extremist ideology saying gratuitous violence is the answer to whatever fucking problem they imagine.

It's great that these fasci-cucks don't understand that Trump is actually a neoliberal businessman. He doesn't care about you, and isn't going to keep any of his promises. He's already backsliding like a motherfucker. He just wants to make more money for him and his friends. This is really a class issue that y'all are turning into something else, maybe a cultural thing.

>>720275054
>your comment is dumb because I say it's dumb
What is circular logic much?
You're saying it's bad political science by comparing current extreme-right to current anarchsim. While I was using it by comparing extreme-right and extreme-left.

>>720275164
>antifa is anarchists
No, they are self-described "militant left". They are the extreme left. So your argument failed, faggot.

>>720275713
it's because you blankly advocate violence as a solution to political problems, you fucking twerp. How hard is it to understand that kind of boot to the face ideology is essentially extreme fascism of your individual flavor?

>>720267562
US just elected a facist president is one thought.

>>720275446
Well which conservatives?

>>720275972
Where did I compare the ultra-right to anarchism? I already explained why horseshoe theory is stupid, you must not have read the whole thing and stopped when you saw something you recognized (overton window).

>>720276185
reading comprehension is hard isnt it

>>720275825
Your argument is all over the place.

1) not all antifa are anarchists
2) i was responding to your point that extreme left and extreme right are basically the same (horseshoe shit)
3) i provided an example that countered your claim that they're all authoritarian statists
4) even if we were talking about antifi, your point makes no sense, as you could be a centrist antifa.

What the fuck is fascism?
I'm 12 can somebody tell me please

>>720276024
fucking this

>>720276158
Actually, he's not. He's actually holding similar opinions that Bill Clinton had back in 1992.

>>720275947
>>720276320
Exactly.

>>720276158
how is trump a fascist exactly?

>>720275825
by your logic, killing terrorists is no different to being a terrorist

>>720276266
Well, for starters, I'm not the guy you were talking to, That's the other guy that replied to your post. I was just pointing out the fact that you're wrong in your characterization.

Your post implies your logic is that antifa is not fascist because they are anarchist. Well, Antifa isn't anarchist, so you're just flat out fucking wrong, aren't you?

>centrist antifa
You just have no idea what you're saying, do you?

>>720276441
He's not, he's a neoliberal capitalist who fooled the right into voting for him.

>>720276523
If antifa is purely anti-fascist, then its totally possible to be a centrist antifa

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>ITT Prove you're underage

>>720276523
No, i'm not fucking wrong.

I never claimed antifa is anarchist. they're against fascism...that's it!

>>720276626

exactly

>>720276484
you are advocating violence for the purpose of political change. That is the very core definition of terrorism.

I'm not advocating violence when I say niggers should have their reproductive rights controlled. I'm just being reasonable in my understanding of animal husbandry., but your kind would say I need to be strung up in the gallows, fool. You're the terrorist. I'm a reasonable political agent making a nuanced debate on an issue and your response is VIOLENCE!

so fuck you

>>720276806
i see you're beyond reasonable debate. have a good night, cunt.

>>720276675
I don't know what movie or whatever that picture is from. But that pilot should have left long before the crowd got that close, lol

>>720276687
no we can't be fascist we have _anti_ in name come on man, never mind that we do same shit as fascists its _anti_ so argument won REEEEE

>>720276806
The fact that you cant understand that proposing eugenics on any group is violence in and of itself is pretty sad for you.

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>you're the fascists
>no you're the fascist

>>720276256
>needing an explanation
>being this uncultured
For starters, conservative in the US is fastly different to conservative in Europe or China.
Also, you have different levels conservative, just like you have different levels of liberal. Bible-belt conservatives aren't the same as North Eastern conservatives, or Alaskan conservatives either.
So. Again.
WHICH are you talking about?

>>720276204
>because anarchism doesn't real
Well frankly anarchism doesn't real. It really doesn't.
I disagree that all things not considered liberal democracies are totalitarian, but I also reject the notion that there is much outside of the idea of large state control vs small state control. A play where very little state control takes place doesn't mean it's a liberal democracy. It could also very well be a fucking conservative hell-hole.
EG: just because the state says it's okay to kill your wife for cheating in some muslim countries doesn't mean that the state has a large influence in the lives of the people there. Nor does it mean people are utilizing ideas of liberal democracy.

>>720276938
I accept your concession, then if you have no rebuttal to my nuanced response.

>>720277056
he's trolling, ignore him

does anyone want to talk about the homoeroticism inherent in fascism?

>>720277083
again, reading comprehension. If you don't want to conceptualize that there is a difference between conservatives and ultra-right extremists, then there is no discussing it.

>>720277056
No, actually, you are wrong. look up the definition of violence. It isn't violent to ration resources or to control the reproductive rights or any rights that are being abused at the cost of the state and the welfare of the people.

Your problems start with the idea that everyone is equal. They are not. Some are a net loss to the state and everyone around them, and I would never advocate genocide, but if you can't care for your own people and pets, then it should not be the states responsibility to subsidize yours or anyone's stupidity.

>>720276320
Please do tell what "opinions" Trump shares with Clinton. Be specific.

>>720274255
>both autistic

>>720277259
OH MAN! this is a good topic. There is certainly a lot of homo eroticism involved in fascism. I'm gonna go look for articles about it.

>>720277334
You're a fucking moron troll. Good job keeping me busy for a minute. I'm gonna go give part of my immense wealth to the NAACP just for you.

>>720267562
A word that cockroaches who were born long after the danger it represented to the world died out and all who fought for a fascist government were dead or near death to sling against others and justify their violence.

"Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents."

I'm glad that those people are chiming in and proving it right.

>>720277562
So, you have no argument and you fall back to your own impotent rage. I figured as much. Know that what I say is the truth and it's a fact, and it's coming because it's the only way to make things work.

>>720277119
Yea, you're right.

First you said this
>>720275446
Claiming that conservatives are doing what extreme-right does.
To which I ask >>720276185
Since I don't recognize any self-described "conservatives" doing this, but maybe where I live, we have a different way of thinking about what being conservative is.
I later explain this in this:
>>720277083

Pretty straight forward.

Then it all leads to this:
>>720277285
> you don't want to conceptualize that there is a difference between conservatives and ultra-right extremists, then there is no discussing it.

YOU FUCKING COMPARED THE TWO AND THEN ARE CLAIMING THAT I'M NOT SEEING A DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO!
Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying because you're not being fucking consistent you fucking retard!

>>720277716
Nope, you proved how retarded you are with the 'everyone is not equal' bullshit

>>720277392
Strong stance against illegal immigration

>>720277753
>>720277119
Dream on, fools. Your only response to clean logic like that is to pretend it doesn't exist then? When you grow a pair of balls enough to talk like men, and not like the tools of your ideology, the truth will still be there smirking at you.

>>720277941
You've proven yourself illogical. You've been dismissed because of something you did to yourself.

>>720270393

> Centuries of endless empires going full fascism mode
> "doesnt work"

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>>720277458
The entire movement is based on repressed sexuality. Just look at the glorification of the male form and the comparison of the state to a body. It's an ideology borne of insecurity.

You only need to look at the proponents of fascism to see how it appeals. Beta males with fantasies of being alpha, which they can only achieve with subjugation and violence.

pic fucking related

>behold the master race!

>>720277839
It is objective scientific fact that nobody is equal, in more levels than you can imagine, apparently. Down to your very core, your DNA, your blood, your skeletal cosntruction, the protein synthesis in your body, the production of sweat and the relative positions and numbers of your hair follicles. More to the point, your brain tissue, your maximum potential intelligence is all tied to your genetics, and that's even ignoring entirely differences borne of personal experiences, education, and culture.

No sir, you are objectively wrong, and I challaege you or anyone to make ANY kind of nuanced argument that people are in any way equal.

People are not equal and that is an incontrovertible fact supported by reams of hard science.

>>720278123
Any form of government that is complicit in committing mass atrocities against human kind doesn't work in the long term for humanity. Centuries of death and suffering works for you huh?

>>720278026
No, you're just saying I'm illogical, you have shown no reason or logic behind it. You don't like what I have to say so you're slinging shit at me, but the truth is above this debate and you are frankly, objectively, provably incorrect if you think people are equal.

>>720277839
are anti-fascists and fascists equal?

>>720278123
>endless

So where are they now?

>>720278258
Scientists do not use, in good faith, the results garnered form Mengele's research. Using them in a political argument is even more laughable.