Is there any other group worse than Antifa?

The Jews

Yes, BLM.

Antifa are Nazis who, dont like to wash and groom.

Fascists

>>720209541
One Direction

You'd think 4chan would support these guys just to see the fights between them and trumpers

>>720209541

Fixed*

Is there any other group better* than Antifa?

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>>720209541

Lol, how deluded are you OP?

LONG LIVE #ANTIFA!

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.......

>mfw I infiltrated an antifa group in Seattle and reported them to authorities which shut down their warehouse venue.

>>720210648
why

What's wrong with them? Not an amerifat, so I haven't heard of them.

>>720210761
They were trying to make a political rally in an abandoned warehouse to spread communism, as well as peddling drugs onto minors at a rave event.

>>720210829
They are actual parasites of society.
Clamoring for revolutions and changing the system, yet harass and attack anyone who doesn't approve of them, even if they aren't fascist/conservative in their beliefs. Their entire political platform is just a giant reaction and tantrum to x/y/z thing they don't like, and they get extremely fucking mad and pissy if anyone treats them like they should be treated. ( a fucking nuisance, leeches and bottom feeders )

If the fascism returns, he will not say: ‹I am the fascism›. No, he will say: ‹I am the antifascism›.

Ignazio Silone

>>720211077
Sounds like average 4chan users to me. So, again, what's wrong with them?

>>720210829
We have Antifa in europe too...

And I support them 100%, fuck everybody who is against Antifa.

>>720211077
hah!
Ignorant.
I bet you also support Trump or Hillary, stupid fuck.

>>720211259
But Antifa are a bunch of crust punks who join the movement for the sole purpose of trying to desperately score with a pansexual punk girl who believes in polynamorious relationships, perhaps get drugs, get drunk at shitty punk shows, and then riot because they think it's fun to do something in a group like run from police with hit-and-run tactics. I mean, seriously. Antifa even are pro "refugee" allowing them into Sweden and Germany.

How is ANY of that righteous?

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>>720210390
Yeah, 4chan is the worst. I can't hate anyone more than them. Even the guys who raped my wife and mother I hate less than 4chan.

>>720209541

If you mean any group more worthless, then no.

They're little more than a minor annoyance in Burgerland, tbh. There's really no point in focusing all of your hatred on them when there are bigger prblem grups to worry about.

>>720211539
Try living in California with them when they diddle underaged girls and shoot heroin outside of nightclubs.

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Hey /pol/. We can all see your anti-antifa general thread. Maybe you should try your propaganda on a different website where we don't know it's you.

Love,
anon

>>720211259
>"I support them 100%, fuck everybody who is against Antifa"
>someone has a differnet opinion
>calls them ignorant

the irony

>>720211259
Antifa in Germany goes on streets against hate. But they bring the hate with them. Antifa say no to hatespeech, but lots of them post things like "death to Trump". Stupid facists!

>>720211632
>/pol/

I dont go there. Too many people spamming pictures of black dicks.

>>720211627

I live in California, but I've had relatively little contact with any antifags. I had no idea they diddle underaged girls, but that doesn't surprise me one bit.

>>720211259

Which part of Europe are you from?

>>720211845
they sound pretty cool actually unless you're some kind of moralfag square

>>720209541
muslims of course

>>720211845
They're all over the Bay Area touching teens and selling ecstasy to them. Go to a rave or rock show in Oakland and they're on the sidewalk making the neighborhoods worse.

>>720211465
I know there is some selfish fucks inbetween that are just in it for the sake of trouble.. I hate them, they make us (leftwing) look so weak.

I'm danish and I am very pro refugees.
I dont see the problem at all, we only have a problem if we make it one.

Denmark is super fucking rich and if we spent the money right, the refugees would actually be extremmely beneficial for the society, since our "elder burden" is growing and we dont have enough of young danes to take care of them. As it is now, we don't benefit from it, because the integration is so shitty. (probably still much better than most of the world)

The only one benefiting from it, is the big companies and the politicians, that takes them in and pay them 1/2 of what a dane would get. This is social dumping. It destroys the market.
The politicians can meanwhile raise their own pay, buy bomb-planes (which will bomb the countries where all the refugees come from) and then blame the refugees for the "bad" economy.

With a good integration policy and the EXACT same pay for refugees or danes, would do much more for the danish society instead of all this low-life racist bullshit..

I hope you understand my english and my spelling mistakes.

>>720211730
You can't reason with fascist..

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>>720210865
Great job m8

There wouldn't have to be refugees if America wasn't constantly overthrowing states to steal resources. If I were Europe I would draft the refugees and send them to America and force America to stop destabilizing the Mideast

>>720212259
>sending drafted low IQ conscripts to "force" America to do anything

kek good luck with that, delusional commie

>>720212259

I agree that most of the refugees should be taken in by America instead of innocent Scandinavian countries.

>>720212089
You're not Danish. Danes speak English just fine. You're also going by what Merkel says, which has been a load of shit. Importing outside people would end up creating a job crisis, as if there already isn't one.

>>720212381
I'd be willing to nuke the USA too no matter what the consequences were. I'd even invite Russia and give them half of the states

>>720212089
>good integration policy and the exact same pay
Have you ever heard about people not going for money but for their own culture? Look to germany and its parallel societies. We have payed enough the last 20 years and made a lot of integration policy - close for nothing.

>>720212557
And I'd curbstomp the rest of the world with the might of the greatest Navy and Airforce the world has ever witnessed. Russians are our buds now.
Don't stop dreaming kid

>>720212089
You dont see the problem because you dont want to see it. The problem is not a paygap between the"refugees" and citizens, it's their fucking mindset. I cannot understand how somebody who is for gender equality, against hate, etc. can support muslims who have the shittiest beliefs and no respect towards women and other religious groups.
You claim that all the terrorist attacks, rapes, murders etc. are a result cuz "the poor refugees are not getting enough money"? Well thats bullshit.

>>720212425
Yes, I do speak fluent, but I don't always spell that well.

>>720212575
But you also do have Merkel, that loves to make the rich people more wealthy by taking from the poor.

>>720212701
Russians aren't our buds, they know that America will still be stirring up shit on their southern border for decades to come

>>720212259
>America did this
As far as I know, these countries overthrew themselves. Heard of the Arab Spring before?

>>720212801
True, but much less so than the past 8 years.

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nigger loving rev left faggots should be dragged into the street and shot

>>720209969
well... any other.

>>720212753
Now, I do know a lot of immigrants... They do very very well, nothing wrong with their mindset. Most of them LOVE Denmark, but of course it must be a special feeling, to love a country that is bombing your mothercountry.

Have you talked to a lot of refugees or do you just watch tv?

>>720212865
Americans don't know anything and are obstinately resistant to education and facts, I don't see why I have to inform you about the behaviors of your own intelligence community

>>720212756
Why are you this naive?

>Merkel stealing from the poor

Do you even read the news? Or do you get your "news" from the political party you are a member in?

>>720212753

In Denmark all religions are welcome.

Im not really fan of religion and it does create some serious clashes... But I don't think it matters, it's a minority that are conservative. It's ONLY because of the medias making a big deal out of it, because it sells. Nobody wants to read about how many arabic girls who are taking higher education...
Like I was on my brothers medical school in Copenhagen... Holy shit. It was FULL of muslim girls. They are willing to take the higher education and they will be the future of Denmark.

>>720213115
Just let it all out, let the hurt feelings flow through you

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>>720212753

>it's their fucking mindset

What's their mindset? How many refugees do you personally know and have you worked with? What do you personally do for a living? The fact that you hang out on 4chan this time of the day makes me believe nothing at all.

>>720213115
funny thing is, Im not even american nor do I even live near there.

For brainwashed starters: read the wikipedia article about the Arab Spring and then tell me "fukken America did this".

>>720213146
I'm not in a political party.

-It hasn't always been like the working class in Germany need more than 2 jobs to get by?
Tell me im wrong.

>>720213424
So all of them?

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>>720209541

>Is there any other group worse than Antifa?

Neo-nazis.

>>720213456
It began at the CIA funded school of the americas lol

>>720213437
Just because you ask, Im attending university (studying Political Science) and should learn for an exam I have in an a few hours but at the moment I prefer to talk to naive people.

>>720213522
Two sides of the same coin

>>720213614
>Autism

the Arab Spring started in Tunisia, because a citizen set himself on fire to protest against the government.

>>720213330
>minority that is conservative
Have you ever heared about pew rechearch center? Every study shows, that the overwhelming mayority of muslims even in Europe is conservative.

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this nigger seems to be red pilled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBue51FIoM

>>720212753
I'm working as a salesman in a grocery store in germany in a "problem district" and I've to tell you:
The problem here are more the germans, rather than the immigrants. While most of the refugees are polite, saying hello, goodbye and thank you and often smile.. most of the germans are full of hate with no reason or being unpolite.

Man, even the crackheads here are only germans.

>>720209541
crimethinc

>>720212753
Very few terrorist attacks involve migrants that own anything of value.

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Worse? Perhaps

More autistic? definitely no

>>720210865
thank you for your service

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>>720213522
In practice they're the same, but Antifa is more retarded in principle because they are these moralfags fighting people and breaking stuff in the name of blue-hair SJW ideology.

If Antifa got their way, we'd have a world where everyone is a polygender that watches Oprah, knits all day long, and post on Tumblr. Yet they think they're tough and revolutionary. It's the most laughable thing that ever was.

>>720217175
how about i punch you right in your flabby alt-right tits faggot

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>>720217206
It would make my argument wrong, o so wrong, and I would feel ashamed and sad.

Please don't do it, violent mister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_KN_xu_Wh0&t

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>>720217375
look mommy, i wrote my not proofed premisses on a picture without even including a logical conclusion, making it not an argument but just a chain of associations, so that evreybody knows I`m right!

I am Proud to be a german antifascist

antifa globalist commie hypocrite false flaggers will get BTFO soon

>>720217553

cry, baby, cry

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>>720217553
>without even including a logical conclusion
> making it not an argument
Are you sure that's the rhetoric you wanna use to defend people who break stuff around and literally throw shit at others to prove their points?

>>720209541
Pretty much every single fascist party and organisation is worse.

>>720217175
No it's not.
Nazis are attacking and killing innocent People, because of their race.
Antifas are attacking violent NeoNazis and smashing windows or burning cars. They never attack somebody because of their race.

>>720217677
Was willste mir jetzt damit sagen ? das die Afd keine Nazis seinen können weil schwarze oder migranten bei denen bei sind ?

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Fuck off commiefags.

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>>720210648
Did you ever get the smell out of your clothes or did you throw them away?

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>>720209541
Cry some more, bonehead. I spent the 80s kicking the shit out of the boots-and-bracers brigade with ARA, and I'm not too old to kick your ass too. The streets belong to us, Stormfag, as I'm sure you're already aware. That's why you're hiding here looking for subnormals and mouthbreathers to back you up.

>>720217820
https://sendvid.com/ascblz8g
We the german Antifa are having a long tradition of beating up nazis

>>720211770
>black dicks
thats /tv/, not /pol/

>>720210648
muh N I G G A

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>>720217725
> these people are doing criminal stuff because of a reason I don't believe in, these others are doing the same criminal stuff for reasons that make me feel fuzzy and warm inside, so the second ones are right.

Showing great fondness for logic there, m8

>>720212089
Damn you're delusional. Kill yourself already.

Antifa aren't really the smartest lot but tbh the folks organizing the demos they counter-rally are even dumber.
a general rule of thumb is hold demos either when it's for a cause that does not merit a counter-demo, or when you're pretty sure you can match the counter-demo. So there's folks holding fascist demos even though they know they're going to be outnumbered 10-1, not including police.

>>720217725
Last time this actually happened?
There hasn't been a lynching for decades
Nazi's are dead, you are conflating actual violence with something you are imagining

>>720211474
I get this.

>>720217894
So you thing it's equal wrong to beat up a Teenager because he's black and smashing some windows on a demonstration ?

For fuck's sake u must be a really
embittered person

>>720209541
fascists

>>720217874
Genau deshalb bist du menschenverachtender Abschaum. Wie die Nazis ideologisches Mittelalter: Auge um Auge, Zahn um Zahn. Und dann wundert ihr euch, warum man euch ablehnt?

>>720210009
>tumblr_o5lk6dvrtR1uaffpdo1_500.gif
>tumblr
Wow, what a surprise.

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>>720217947
> something you are imagining
Leftism in 2017 is 100% about projection and fantasy. In a few years this will all be recognized as a huge mental disease.

>>720217725
The neonazis, at least where I live, rarely show signs of agression and try to make their point politically and by peaceful demonstrations. Then the Antifa lowlifes come along and pick fights with them, smashing everything between them and their target into peaces. Street furniture gets demolished, innocent people get smacked in the face or covered in paint bombs.

I don't like either of those groups but Antifa is the lowest most hypocritical scum on earth.

>>720211770
>Too many people spamming pictures of black dicks.
So you go on /b/ instead, which has like 30 times more BBC and trap threads? Kek.

>>720218129
Kek, wer in der NPD aktiv ist und solche ideologien vertritt sollte mehr als die Paar schläge aushalten können außerdem hat die aktion sein ziel erreich der otto ist zurück getreten.
>Auge um Auge, Zahn um Zahn
ja genau gab in den letzten 25 Jahren nur 75 Morde von Neonazis begangen in der BRD, da sind n paar schläge auf den kopf natürlich gleich Auge um Auge und Zahn um Zahn

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>>720218060
So you think everyone is so misinformed as to believe the narrative you're suggesting?

Antifa attack everyone THEY categorize as Nazis, not only Neo-nazi thugs. They've harassed and assaulted intellectuals in lectures that were solely about ideas. Many, many times.
They've trashed people's homes, harming even the families of people THEY said were Nazis but who had never harmed anyone.

If they were just smashing windows they'd still be just a bunch of criminals, and still wrong (and you'd be a stupid crime-enabler for defending it). But that's not how it pans in reality, and you know it.

It takes one Google search to see through your bullshit.

And they don't act or have prejudice based on race? Is pic related shoped or something?

>>720218129
Wenn du das video schon schlimm fandest wie findest du dann das?
https://vid.me/0lDF

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>>720209541
>everyone in this thread

>>720218388
Die Zahlen hast du von der Amadeu-Stiftung, oder? Recherchier mal anständig, du linke Ratte und glaub nicht jeden Dreck!

>>720217571
>i´m proud to be part of a group that at best smashes windows and at worst tries to overturn laws protecting the country for the sake of feeling good about themselves
The world has gone insane. And I´m right here in germany, in the middle of all this shit.

>>720209541
Fascists

>>720218388
Dann hau ich in Zukunft dem grünen Ortsverband den Schädel ein, weil... na ja, die passen mir halt nicht. Das Verbotsverfahren interessiert mich auch einen Scheiß. Demokratie braucht eh kein Mensch, weil ich bin ja schon moralisch. Verpiss dich

>>720218270

>75 Facist's Homicides in the last 25 Years in my country + 800 burning Refuugeeshomes in 2016
Yeah nazis rarely show signs of aggression...

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>>720218554
> can't tell these two aparts
Use your nose. Never fails.

>>720213502
This picture puts up a false equivalence. His last words should be "I'm so sick of being in the only demographic that PC culture deems it okay to insult and belittle".
Either we get to shit talk everyone, or we get to shit talk no one. This whole "everyone but white people are saints" is just fucked up. Every group and demographic have their assholes, saying that specific groups don't, basically comes down to benevolent racism.
I'm an anarchist with these opinions and it's rather odd to find myself in the company of people from the political middle in thinking this.

>>720218681
nein du verpisst dich. in deine jogginghose hans. hahahah hosenpisser kraut. DEUTSCHLAND VERRECKE!
Thread related: Jews,DAESH,vegan chefs.

>>720218595
Ja komm, wirst doch eh zu allen was ich schreibe sagen es ist lügenpresse.
Verpiss dich zurück auf PI News

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>>720218739
wow, you didn't understand that picture AT ALL.

Look at all these right wing reactionary fucks

>>720218681
Ja mach mal bitte , die grünen haben das verdient die haben das Flüchtlingscamp am oranienplatz geräumt

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>>720218727
lel Only in a deranged, drugged punk's mind it would make sense the idea that by suppressing attempts at rational discourse toward a problem, you would also suppress violent reactions around the same problem.

Antifa attacks people trying to be moderate with extremism, those people become extreme as well, attack Antifa back, and the cycle keeps going.

And that's good for who? For Nazis? For Antifa? No, for the elites that loves to have people punching each other like a bunch of baboons instead of concentrating on the real problems of society.

Yeah, anarchy, anarchy, OI OI! Good job, Antifa!

>>720218923
Did the picture prove that Antifa and the likes aren't a bunch of smelly degenerates?

Wow, if it did, please explain it to me how, because I'd be really surprised if that turned out to be true.

>>720218896
Nein, kannst du auch bei neutralen Informationsquellen nachlesen. Die Amadeu-Stiftung hat schlampig gearbeitet.
Ich hab schon mal von einem Antifa aufs Maul bekommen, weil ich so einen Drecksaufkleber mit "Deutschland verrecke" abgemacht habe. Wenn das für Gewalt reicht, dann gute Nacht.

>>720219190
hahaha von ner zecke vermöbelt worden. du ungefickter verlierer!

Antifa arent nazi , theyre anarchists , marxist scums ..

Just look at the countryWho have gone through communism , they all sucks .

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>>720219042
your point being? keep everything as it is?
antifa in itself is not a coherent movement, it is formed as a counter-action against structural fascist violence. hence antifa(scism).

if you don't support it, at least don't fucking stand in their way.

you might not understand this, but as a generation born in the shadows of hitler, my country does. violence against fascists is self-defense by default.

>>720219299
grammar is hard when you are untermensch

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>>720219069
Perhaps the prison holding you has no walls, anon. Keep fighting tho. God bless.

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>tfw when you are antifa
>man fuck the police
>anarchy
>roadblock
>block some guy who want to go to work
>hesbig.png
>get punched
>big guy is about to beat you
>police stop him
>tell him you are the working people
>guy goes to work leaving you
>cry out to the police to arrest him
>they arrest your anarchist friend
>fuck the police

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZNQan5o56c&t=38s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIM7BXCAn0

>>720210829
>Not an amerifat, so I haven't heard of them.
They came from Europ u dump idiot.

>>720219175
knowing MANY people who are in the antifa, i can guarantee you that most of them are actually well integrated people with steady jobs.
some of them are managers, some of them are musicians, but everyone of them is well-educated.

and none of them smell any more or less than you right winged basement dwellers.

>>720219464
>>europ
>>dump
oh the irony

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when you claim to be the master race but you lost the only war you ever fought

>>720218718
Ok, the first number would be zero where I live. Some refugee houses were burned down by normal people being fed up with these uninvited guests being shoved down their throats (I get them).

antifa = leftwing fascists

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>>720219299

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>>720219571
>When you decide to declare war on your own people and kill 10 times as many people as nazi germany

>>720219341
> your point being? keep everything as it is?
Nazis and actual Fascism has nothing to do with how everything is. My point is to think strategy like an adult, seeing the structure and looking for its weak points, instead of creating a fanatical, emotional reaction to only one thing, and becoming an actual criminal fighting it. Only to create more shit, not to make anything better.

> if you don't support it, at least don't fucking stand in their way.
I will stand in their way. Everyday, at their every move. Because they are, half of them, real bad people using other for reasons absolutely despicable and alien to what they preach, and the other half a bunch of lost kids so brainwashed by the cultist aspect of it that they are actually dangerous. To Nazis? No, to everyone.

> you might not understand this, but as a generation born in the shadows of hitler, my country does. violence against fascists is self-defense by default.
Spoken like a true fanatic. 'You can't understand because you haven't felt what I've felt, so this really controversial thing I'm doing is right!'.

You've become what you hate. A time where those with some strong left must stop and self-reflect deeply, and those without it loose their dignities forever.

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>>720219571
Germany fights the world, America can't fight sandniggers. The Master is obvious.

>>720219484
Strawman alert.
Protip: not everyone disgusted at Antifa is right-wing. They're not a popular bunch Assuming so makes you look stupid.

>>720219341
There is no fascism anymore where you live in this day and age, except the semi-fascism of the Antifa. How ironic.

>>720219628

>Stalin killed 6,000,000,000,000 people and fucked their corpses. He ate all the grain, and paid the clouds not to rain.

>>720219571
>only war you ever fought
Yeah, it's not like Europeans won so much wars that they actually conquered the entire world.

And no, it's not like this is coming from a guy defending a group that can only kick down trash cans.

>>720219636
>>720219654
antifa = leftwing fascist = marxist = bad

>>720219341
You're brainwashed by the post war shame reflex. Wake up and accept the truth.

>>720219682

>fights the world

You mean, invades Poland and goes to war with France and Britain, invades France and then Britain holds on all by itself until Germany stupidly invades the Soviet Union? Yeah. Hitler was a fucking retarded child next to based Stalin.

Crust punk is a shit genre.

>>720219738

By your logic, the Mongols are the master race. Enjoy getting fucked by horses

>>720219670
>>720219571
>>720219069
Oh, abandon thread. This is now shill zone. The faggots defending Antifa here felt they were loosing bad, and they called their gay friends to spam so no one will see their failure.

Fuck, you guys are so annoying! People were trying to talk, that was all. No one was going to read this thread and go out to beat the shit out of some niggers.

>>720219826
>until Germany stupidly invades the Soviet Union? Yeah. Hitler was a fucking retarded child next to based Stalin.
Not like Stalin want to invade Germany in the end of 1941...

>>720219484
Antifa is actually classified as a terrorist group where I live. If you actually believe that serious people working for a future want to be associated with antifa you're completely dellusional. Protip: antifa = angry smelly squatters with no future.

>>720219877
Mongols conquered a good part of one continent, before getting BTFOd forever by Slavs and Chinese.

Europeans literally conquered the world from North to South and East to West at different points in history.

And Antifa just kicked some cans, and threw some tantrums.

>>720219892

that top post you linked is anti-antifa, you literal moron

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>>720219826
Yeah, and Stalin had a gimp right hand and couldn't fap like a man, so....

>>720219710
>Genocide apologist?

>>720219944
>classified as a terrorist group where I live
Can you give some information as to where is that Not checking you, actually interested in the fact.

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>>720219710
being this retarded...
if you kill all the farmers because they are successful and then tell people who have invested no time or effort to learning how to maximise output to farm, you fail, even when you give them slaves, they will still fail.

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>>720219892
Trash is FASH now anon

>>720219939

You ever hear of Brest-Litovsk? When the Germans were crying over how unfair Versailles was, the Allies just pointed to the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Had Stalin invaded Germany first, he would've been completely justified.

Oh, and by the way, the only reason Hitler invaded the Soviet Union first was because he knew he was tanking Germany's economy even harder than the Weimar government had, so he wanted to win or die before the consequences set in.

>>720220037

>The Holodomor happened because Stalin had already killed all the Ukrainians

are you actually retarded?

>>720219631
i don't know if you've had any personal experiences that made you think this way.
personally, as someone who knows many antifascists, i am 100% sure that not a single one would approve unnecessary violence.
maybe it's just a thing in my country. antifa here consists of common people through all social and ecological classes.

they are only dangerous to nazis and structural fascism.

and i consider myself deeply reflected. i object violence in nearly any other way, but fascism is so dangerous, an ideology so destructive to humanity, that it has to be smothered before it emerges.

it's not because of personal feelings or experiences that i think this way. i just see, first hand, how this mindset coined generations. how it kept humanity from advancing and still keeps it back.
i can't close my eyes and pretend the problem lies elsewhere.
fascism is a consequence of unregulated greed and lack of morals. it's the epitome of corruption. the ideology of selfishness that even exploits the emotion of hate to further its gains.

to be short: fascism is either pathological or capitalistic. either you're a psychopath, or a greedy fuck.

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>>720219698
LOL, you have no fucking idea. if you don't see fascist violence around, it only means antifa did their job.

>>720219771
i feel no shame. i don't feel guilty. i just see the destruction and scars that fascism left behind.
dividing people and giving ground to people who can fall back on the kind of mentality that led to hitler's rise.
tell me i'm overreacting, but having presidential elections in my country and a right wing extremist (as close to neo nazi as legally possible) nearly winning, shows that people haven't learned.

>>720219944
yeah, by a government that's conservative and self-sustaining?
what a coincidence!

>>720220516
they've abandoned thread bro

>>720220209
>structural fascism.
That's a theory, anon. Something a guy thought, and put on a book. It's not worthy of beating up people for it.

> how this mindset coined generations. how it kept humanity from advancing and still keeps it back.
This is what I'm saying. Fascism as a real entity, an obvious, clear thing, has no influence whatsoever in the world today. What you're calling Fascism is something Foucault, Marcuse and other theorized could be, as you said, structurally related to it. It's theory. Someone discussing an idea that could fit that horseshoe can not be judged as the same as someone who's actually committing violence.

If Antifa in your country only attacks those literally and actually violent in the first place, then they should change name because they're associating with a brand very different from what they do.

When you believe so much in a theory that it becomes a reason to act upon it to last consequences, that is fanaticism.

In raw terms, a Fascist is someone who are spreading ideas directly connected to the historical Fascist movement.
If you see something that is not that, and judge, by your measure and prejudice, that it is Fascism as well, that is a proposition. Not a reality.

if you act on it, you're a fanatical, and honestly, not mentally sane.

>>720219484
>>720220209
Is this what the Antifa has become? A group of "well integrated" normies with steady jobs who beat up nazis in their free time? They're completely missing the point if that's true, how dissapointing.

>>720220516
Isn't using violence to disrupt an opposing political movement litterally the definition of fascism?
Seems like a different side of the exact same coin

>>720220829
No, the Antifa is still a bunch of deranged faggots who beat up anyone they don't like.
The posts in question just happen to be written by a person more intelligent than them, who sees things differenlty and defends something that, if Antifa was, it wouldn't be the disease it actually is

>>720220619
actually, fascism is mostly structural. neo-nazis wandering around in the streets is not the manifestation of fascism.
it's in the local taverns where old men spew their racism and nobody objecting.
it's in the speeches that right winged politicians give, fueling the people's rage, channeling it into a hateful purpose.
it's in the right winged police force (a real problem in my country), that protect fascist demonstrations, talking peacefully with its leaders while violently detaining left counter-activists.
fascism shows its face in so many different ways, but almost never directly.

i call it fascism for the lack of a coherent better term. you know what i mean. of course there is a difference between a guy who said he didn't like immigrants and another one who wished hitler would kill them all. i know that.

and as i said, antifa is not a closed group, working together for the same ideals. they discuss between themselves and are generally reflective, but again - there isn't ONE goal only. there is one goal that unites them (destroying fascism), but whatever the fuck each individual thinks, wants and feels, is up for your interpretation as well as mine.
i really despise violence. i do.

but i know violence against the rare physical manifestations of fascism is necessary, because if we let this happen, it might gain a foothold and then spread.
like it did, a few months ago, here in my country.

>>720209541
l got banned from 4chan for saying fuck off to some person he kept saying tendies and wa sprobably a fat fuck, getting banned everywhere wow didn't expect 4chan mods t be like that

>>720221207
lurk moar newfag

>>720221269
ignore the troll

>>720210648
White rat. Snitches never prosper. You literally have no manhood if you're a snitch. No integrity.

>>720221269
No, fuck you and your tendies wannabe anon peasants go fuck japs blionaire cock you trash mod trash fat fuck losers. Get butthurt over food or something

>>720220829
actually - yes. not exclusively, but most of them aren't anarchist punks, living in occupied buildings. even though i guess, these guys are anti-fascist too.
they might be communists at heart, giving back to their local communities, but you still have to survive somehow, don't you?

>>720220914
that's the logical fallacy when it comes to counter-violence against fascism.
you can't stop fascist violence with peaceful discourse. the problem with fascism is, you can't argue and find an agreement that works for everyone. this ideology is built on oppression, ostracism, elitism and hatred.
there is nothing good to be extracted of fascism. everything it touches is burnt ground.
i really wished there was another way, but as things are, the only way to fight back is to resort to violence.
not for violence's sake, but - and i know how contradictory this sounds - for peace.

>>720221164
Why not just oppose totalitarianism in general. The national socialists and the Russian and Chinese communists and pretty any other totalitarian state has wholesale murdered their own populace throughout the 20th century. Any people subscribing to these ideology's today have not read a history book or are so wrapped up in their dogma system of their politocal beleif that they can mentally look past mass murders of the past

>>720221164
>i call it fascism for the lack of a coherent better term.
That is the danger. Every political movement that is driven towards something elusive, and allows itself to be extreme, will have a huge backdoor for, well, insanity.

A woman recently killed her three years old son in America because he said some children bullshit and she thought it meant he was Hitler reincarnated. You can say that was just a crazy woman, but would she have had that specific thought if there wasn't a whole demonisation of Fascism in Hollywood? (btw, if you want to fight that, that thing that is poisoning people's mind, you could call your movement AntiHollywood, for example. It's doing more harm right now than fascism).

Then this vague notion of 'that bad thing' attracts some people, not very balanced psychologically, then a few more. Other in the movement start defending their actions, although they don't believe it. Why? Because, you know, politics.

Soon you have something that is as dangerous than what they organized to attack in the first place. Because they weren't objective about it, and still allowed themselves to be fanatical.

> the lack of a coherent better term
That's a feeling we all have with what we hate, and see as wrong. It's difficult to put the finger, to understand. And that's why most people don't to what Antifa does. Because they understand reality is hard to defy, and when you try, you might be wrong.

Now, being wrong for thinking something we can deal with. But being wrong for fucking someone's life or physical integrity... that's really terrible.

>>720221562
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cellmate-mother-egypt-moneek-robinson-killed-3-year-old-son-said-he-was-soul-of-hitler/

In case you might think I'm making shit up

>>720211105

This quote is well known but its origin isn't clear. There's no proof that he had ever say that. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignazio_Silone )

>>720221516
who said i didn't oppose it?
totalitarian states are fascist, even if they call themselves "communist". they just lack a few of the details that would expose them as such.

don't mistake me for a tankie. my communism is post-scarcity, sustainable, and anti-centralistic.
i know that's unrealistic for at least the next 200 years, but come on. everyone still thinking that capitalism works is a fucking boot-licker.

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aright niggas time for some vids of Antifa scum getting fucked up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSp_hwk1nRw

>>720209541
Mormons and scientologists

>>720221562
dude, you're taking the worst of the worst examples to prove your point.
i can't speak for all of my country's antifa, but those i know are more than mentally sane.
your arguments up to this point were well structured, but now it's a slippery slope. antifa exists ONLY for antifascist actions. if fascism is gone, or not to be fought with violence anymore, antifa will vanish.
it actually happened here. antifa was just a shadow, doing small stuff here and there and only came back big, when international right winged extremists started meeting in our capitol.
antifa isn't made up only by the black bloc. it's normal people, protesting against something that's morally wrong. when it comes to fascism, there is no freedom of speech.
not a word should be allowed to be broadcast by those who plan to destroy society for their personal gains.

and dude, please. you're losing yourself in semantics there. just because there isn't a coherent term, it doesn't mean people can't think differentiated thoughts.
of course it's hard to communicate this to the public. but public relations isn't the goal of antifa.
antifascism is.

>>720211105
>someone said something, so when i quote it, it's automatically true.

>>720221873
>antifa are losers and trannies
>afraid of them
this is a cuckservative thread

>>720209958

Old 4chan would have, the new facebook generation just angrily follows the general public reaction and hates anyone who rebels.

>>720210648

Grass

>>720211627

So they are oldfags?

Lol at the triggered moralfags

>>720209541
Yes, niggers

>>720222358
You're confused, one's disdain for leftist degeneracy is not fear.

>>720211077
sounds like a liberal in USA

>>720222211
> just because there isn't a coherent term, it doesn't mean people can't think differentiated thoughts.
of course it's hard to communicate this to the public. but public relations isn't the goal of antifa.
antifascism is.
It's not because I can not explain that I should not do it.
And now we go full circle to where we started. This is the very definition of fanaticism.

> dude, you're taking the worst of the worst examples to prove your point.
I wan't saying that woman was Antifa or what she did was the same as Antifa does. I was telling you that use elusive, vague definitions to guide your way through life leads to insanity and fanaticism.

If you think this is not a relevant discussion to have before doing harm to people, then it is more relevant to you than you can imagine.

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This is the daily reminder thread why antifa is needed

>>720219571
We wanted to lose the war! They played right into our hands! We wanted Germany split in half

Shut up you cuck ;_;

>>720222726
>This is the very definition of fanaticism.
not being able to communicate a complex situation to the uninformed public?
doesn't mean i can't communicate it at all. i didn't get brainwashed into this, i chose it because it aligns with my morals and with what i think is the right thing to do.
if you've got arguments that i haven't heard yet, or i didn't walk through in my head myself, i am always ready to listen.

also, my definitions aren't vague or elusive. they're just hard to commit to words in a language that's not my own, on an imageboard that can't display emotions.
and quite on the contrary, i had long and important discussions before i concluded that in some cases, violence is needed.

>>720222841
>if you hate antifa cucks you must be a /pol/ack

disliking antifa is the natural order of things
useful idiots who have deluded themselves into thinking they're the good guys when they're no better than the neo nazis they "fight"

>>720222917
I bet that girl supports antifa and would be against this meme

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>>720222841
> implying Antifa isn't the armed version of Tumblr
> implying /b/ tolerates Tumblr

Check your privilege, degenerate faggot!

>we should kill all normies, drown all the muslims and beat up liberals for being pussies
>looool

>we should give fascists a slap
>WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?!! REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>720223061

>>720223158
>when you know your ideology is wrong, so you don't dare to show your face, because you're not committing to it publicly and instead resort to being a racist bitch in private.

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>>720223233
Keep crying fag.

>>720223021
>imageboard that can't display emotions.
> not fanaticism
> beating people up because of things I feel.

> also, my definitions aren't vague or elusive.
You said yourself that they were.

> uninformed public?
aka useful idiot, amirite, mr.Trotsky?

> in some cases, violence is needed.
I'm not disputing this, but your ability to decide what cases are those. And the methods you use for that decision. Which you're saying are 'something hard to define, that I'm not able to say exactly what is because others aren't as informed of the issue as I and my people are'.

All of those very common lines of reasoning when old Christians burned people, or on Muslims when they stone them.
Looking bad for you, lad.

>>720223048
Nazis started ww2 and killed millions of innocend. And they will do it again if we let them

lol at neonazi concern trolling

reminder that it ok to torture nazis to death, they'd do it to you

>>720223233
>white fucking power

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>>720223233
Sorry? What you were saying again?

>>720223364
I'm a triggered trumpcuck hear me shout
kick my head in, no brains come out

>>720223304
what do you want? a definitive rule to when violence is necessary?
i can't give you that, sorry. you have to evaluate, literally every single case.
there is no general violence against fascists.
and yes, important decisions should be made by people who actually know what they're talking about.
what the fuck.

i thought you're actually interested in a decent discussion, but now it looks like you're trolling.

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>>720223349
>implying your group of local neo nazis are going to ignite WW3

those days are long gone, m8
The West fucking around in the middle east is what's causing problems

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>>720210009

>>720223671
I heard they were just naturally violent, I'm sure if you look 200 years ago you'd see the Middle East was just as fractuous and violent as it is today

Also I refuse to learn anything about the Ottoman Empire that may disagree with my biases

>>720223548
>what do you want? a definitive rule to when violence is necessary?
>i can't give you that,
Ideally? For you to question how you can be unable to defend your principles in a discussion in an image board, and still manage to think they're strong enough to hurt a person or ruin their life.

Speaking of which, as an intelligent, and, apparently, well-meaning individual, do you approve of the defamation tactics used by Antifa? When they're so convinced that someone is STRUCTURALLY a racist, that they have to invent lies to show the uninformed, inferior, ignorant, deplorable PROLETARIAT how those people are evil?

> but now it looks like you're trolling.
When you presented valid points that seemed worth of discussion, I argued them. When you had your weak, silly moments, I was sarcastic towards them. It's how communication works, bro. At least I didn't throw a brick on your face, as these guys you're defending to when someone disagrees with them.

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>>720211259
then die like the piece of shit you are

>>720223800
wow that's some hard hitting criticism, reminds me of those goofy puppets at world trade protests

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>>720219529
Newfag

>>720223480
>WHITE FUCKING POWER

>>720223997
Lol triggered

>>720219826
Oh look another high school kid revering Stalin. USSR was poo trash and that was demonstrated.

I hope for your sake you grow out of that faggotry.

>>720224093
Trump is gonna put you in jail you fuckin kike

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>>720209541
>Fascists

>>720224211
This is a photoshop, the original was antitrump

Fake news/10

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>>720219571
When retards are "fighting" you 70 years after the war is over and then are actually stupid enough to use you as an example that only illustrates their own stupidity.

Onore al duce

>>720224472
to be fair there were twice as many Germanies after hitler

Maybe after trump there will be an east and west America run by France and Russia

>>720209541
Europe
>Start and proliferate the slave trade
>Invent Communism
>Start WWI
>Start WWII
>Holocaust
>Occupy and Cononise Africa, slaughter millions of people, hold the rest in bondage whilst exploiting and stealing their minerals
>Occupy and Colonise India (see above)
>Dictate the Treaty of Sèvres, carving the Ottoman Empire into the clusterfuck amalgamation of "sovereign" middle eastern countries with no consideration to tribal, religious, sectarian, or historical significance leading to a never-ending warfare of a peoples
>Shall we continue
Thanks Europe!

>>720224596

>run by France

implying that France can run anythig without baguettes as fuel

>>720224629
>Africa, slaughter millions of people
Actually, yes, thank you for that.

>>720224596
>Maybe after trump there will be an east and west America run by France and Russia
Yeah! Maybe! Hurr Durr!

A dozen Antifa kicking a girl in the floor in Spain
https://youtu.be/x_MvIDw_Zg0

Honestly, some people are defending this??

Reminder that actual civilized people thought Europeans were fucking savages before they finally adopted Christ and started bathing

>>720224858
Lol like conservatives actually care about people, if the labels were slightly different you'd be excited about that video

Conservative concern trolling doesn't have any effect anymore

>>720224897
>adopted Christ
Christ was not an orphan.

>>720224897
> tfw when you read this shit and you actually descend from Celts, who invented soap centuries before Christ.

Your racism is oppressing me. Triggered.

>>720225015
You really think someone posting on /b/ would be, of all things, a conservative?

You don't even know where you are, m80. You just call people any slander that comes to your head and hope it will stick

>>720225040
You being triggered by his oppressing racism is triggering me...

>>720225280
Really? How triggered are you? Like really, fervently triggered? described it to me, slowly your trigger...

>>720225040
haha if soap was an important invention we'd have a Celtic legal system instead of a Latin one

antifa just come to protests to yell at people and throw things at police

I swear half the time hey are so whacked out they don't even know who's side they are on

>>720225128
Shut up kike

>>720225416
wtf? I'm a kike now? Fucking hell, no one told me before.

>>720225726
nice try jew

Go back to Mexico

>>720225352
Wasn't the matter in question baths and hygiene?

But, if you've any interest in history, there are some deep Celtic influences on Roman culture. The similarities between the two people were recognized by Caesar himself, who wrote an entire book on Celtic culture...

>>720225790
What are you even offended by?

>>720225834
>Caesar
he made little pizzas

>>720225790
There are more jews in the USA than in Mexico.

Niggers

>>720226009
Fake news

>>720211259
so tell us where you are in europe we will show you how we used to deal with your " kind " :)

>>720226064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_in_Mexico
>The current Jewish population in Mexico mostly consists of those who have descended from immigrants from the 19th and early 20th centuries with nationwide totals estimated between 40,000 and 50,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
>the United States is home to the largest or second largest (after Israel) Jewish community in the world. In 2012, the American Jewish population was estimated at between 5.5 and 8 million, depending on the definition of the term. This constitutes between 1.7% and 2.6% of the total U.S. population.

Stay delusionnal about jews in your own country, faggot.

I've only heard about these guys recently, but honestly they seem fucking stupid.
I mean really, do you actually think that you're stopping the spread of fascism by assaulting people?
How do you suppose that works? You punch someone, and they stop believing and spreading fascism out of fear?
If you actually think that, try switching the places. You get assaulted by some far right fucker for being a lefty. Does that make you feel less confident in your ideas? No. It makes you believe in them even more extremely.
So that's basically what you're doing. You're just making the people you say you're fighting against even more extremist.
And not only that, but you're also giving them more attention because the news likes reporting this kind of shit, AND you're giving them sympathy. Sure, some left leaning person won't just magically start believing in what these people say, but some person who's kind of a right winger, might after seeing that the left is completely disregarding basic fucking decency turn even more right.

So yeah, by assaulting everyone YOU deem "fascists" you're not only not helping anyone, but you're actually making it worse. Good fucking job.

>>720226391
>How do you suppose that works? You punch someone, and they stop believing and spreading fascism out of fear?
Except a lot of European Antifas carry hidden blades so they can stab people when no one's watching. They're real rats.

In America it's mostly Tumblr kids getting carried away, or paid protesters. But that is clearly changing now, and Americans should research their actions in Europe to start preparing and defending to these rats.

>>720226687
>Except a lot of European Antifas carry hidden blades so they can stab people when no one's watching. They're real rats.
fucking this

fascists will go toe to toe with anyone, but this antifa crowd is all about "stab someone one their way home from the rally"

>>720226784
Did you see the recent video by Project Veritas where they infiltrated Antifa?
There's this nu-male commie saying that Nazis are cowards and only attack with odds of 20-1, which is literally what Antifa does.
The level of projection with these guys is seriously scary.

>>720226784
>>720226687
I'm by no means a fascist, hell I think it's totally fucking retarded, but killing someone for their views is so fucking retarded.
Again, switch places with these people, and imagine that someone with your views is killed for having those views. That doesn't make most people scared, it basically makes a martyr out of the person killed.

>>720210648
Well done anon. Keep up the good work. Fuck antifa.

>>720227030
man antifa tried to kick the shit out of me once

6 onto one

the only thing that saved me was when they asked which side I was on, I said I was for a united country
they thought by united I meant "full of immigrants"

I have seen antifa guys punch up with each other because they mistook each other for fascists
drug addled faggots

>>720227041
exactly man, winning the war is about moving the majority
I was happy to take a beating to prove antifa were just thugs
whenevver there is a rally the police are always facing away from us; because between the two of us it's no secret who is there to to hit a cop in the back of the head

>>720227041
But Antifa don't attack fascists, man. They attack everyone whom THEY view as fascists, which is basically everyone they disagree with.

What you just said, that they are retarded for attacking people because it's immoral, if you had said it in a more public way, say YouTube videos with a big audience, would make you a target for them.

They doxed and tried to fuck the life of MillenialWoes, who's just a YouTuber that tries mostly to help kids with existential problems, because he was against mass immigration and supported Brexit. Guy had to flee his country.

>>720227395
I've never run personally into them, because since my country is the most Leftist shithole you can imagine I stay away from any political shit on the streets. The police would probably beat me up along them.

It's very common to be walking the streets and people go by and mock me literally because I'm white. So you have an idea....
But once I've seen them destroy a newspaper stand and scare away the guy who was selling newspapers and magazines. This is a real poor people's job where I live, and they were just ruining his only source of income. They don't care to anyone but themselves, and, as you said, are so drugged and insane that will attack even their own shadow.

>>720227431
so are these fuckers an actually big "organization"?
Yesterday was literally the first time I've heard of them, and there's nothing like that where I live.

>>720222211
You must be a real idealogue to believe that.

>>720209541
Wanna-be Nazi groups

>>720223233
You've got to be trolling, do you know what a black bloc is?

>>720222211
>when it comes to fascism, there is no freedom of speech, not a word should be allowed to be broadcast by those who plan to destroy society for their personal gains.

So you're against freedom of speech too, like the fascists, fucking hypocrite.

>>720227697
where I am they turn up at a rally uninvited to attack "fascists", who are usually just garden variety nationalists or conservatives

they shout down the speakers of both sides, throw things at everyone and try to start fist fights, then stab anyone on the way home who tells them to fuck off

they are never locals either, more like a roaming band of thugs from big cities

you have to find a group man, maybe in a bigger city if your country is over-run with scum
but often there are more fascists than you would think, often they think they are unionists because they are socialists but not left leaning on social issues
sometimes they are in church movements or in conservative/historical groups who protect monuments
most support our soldiers, that is a good way to link in with them as well

>>720209541
we have them in aus too, absolute scum

>>720227743
It's all over America and Europe, and the internet. They've been going on for years, so they have a very functional game. And many protests are funded by other, shady groups with a lot of money. They can do damage.

Online they dox people who they consider Nazis, and bully as well. They also organize to subvert discussions. Sometimes you see threads where people are talking about some subject, one of them sees the threads and call many others to come and shill with him. They tried to do that in this thread, but people noticed and abandoned it for a while so they went away.

In real protests, they'll pretend to be just protesting, but if they get a chance of doing without getting caught they will, at the least, throw stuff at you (eggs, shit, some mysterious fetid liquids they make) and, if they manage to do it, hurt people.

If you have a political position that's not exactly Left, of any kind, they'll see you as a Nazi, period. If you plan to do any kind of activism, be it online or in real life, you must research them and their methods and be aware.

>>720209541
Yeah, neonazis.

>>720228394
you could at least not post fake "social experiments"

>>720228253
Nah, there's no hope where I live. My parents came here, from Europe, when I was younger, and died. So now I'm stuck in this fucking brown degenerate sea, with no money to get out. But I'm trying. My only hope is to try and come back home, where I'd dedicate all I could to movements trying to stop Europe from becoming a multi-cultural hell like where I've grown up.

>>720228560
>tumblr
fucking typical

>>720228584
where is your home country?
maybe the volksfront there would help you get back in?

pro tip, hen you do your immigration application list your nationality as the brown sea country
things in europe have go so bad this actually helps your chances

Anyone else find it hilarious that those supposedly anti-fascist dipshits are running around acting just like the fascist blackshirts of old right down the actually wearing black shirts?

Break shit, attack your political enemies, and put on a good show boys. Make sure you report goings on to your honorary first corporal Ben.

>>720228749
>where is your home country?
Western Europe.

> pro tip, hen you do your immigration application list your nationality as the brown sea country
things in europe have go so bad this actually helps your chances
I don't think this part would be that much of a problem. There was a community of people from my nationality here, very close to the consulate, and I grew up in that community. I know folks at the consulate, and I am an European citizen.
It's just that I wouldn't have the money to move and get organized back there because all I have is third world money that becomes literally chance when converted to euros. I'm trying different work opportunities that would help me sabe enough though.

Will take a look at Volksfront. I didn't know they were still around, hadn't heard from them in ages.

>>720229216
that was supposed to be literally change

>>720229216
you sound like a south african, I know a few lads from there who want to get out

my advice is just to go, if you are a citizen ou should get perminant resident status; and that means welfare

and unlike all the scum in western europe, when a proud white man gets welfare; he gets a job and stops needing it

you could spend years scraping foreign tin money before you get anywhere
if people are flooding to europe from poor countries, as a white man you would think it's in your best interest as well

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The horseshoe theory is not real, all the shit about antifa being facist is bullshit. Antifa are fighting the structural violence with fists. There is a huge difference between structural and actual violence. While one is very sneaky and can almost disguise as non-violence the other one is straight up violence. In this mess that are politics in 2017 it is vers important to know that and make your own mind with it
But anyway expect us

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>>720229676
>nationalism not welcome

so you live in a country, take all the benefits from that country
but don't support that country?
that makes you a leech

then you try to throw out people who do support their country?
that makes you a traitor

>>720229561
Not South Africa. It's actually worse, if you can believe...

Thanks, man. It's been good listening to the stuff you said, and I will ponder. Won't say never but the idea of getting welfare it's not too comfortable. I have a work opportunity right now that, if it pans out I'll be receiving in dollars.

It's not certain yet, but seems to be working out. If it gets nowhere, then I'll think again.

>>720229664
>There is a huge difference between structural and actual violence
Yes, that one is a real thing and the other a stupid dream imagined by fucking degenerates who probably weren't even able to wipe their own asses.
Go back to the hole you came from, faggot.

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>>720230073
got back to your mom's basement being antifa doesnt keep you from having a job or study.

>ALERTA ALERTA