Im from the North. We sent over 650,000 of our sons to die in

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>>719190749

Now you can see how insignificant your ambitions are. Whatever you put into today will never receive gratitude in the future.

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>>719191157

save my dick. thanks.

>>719191282
Kill them all, they wouldn't live to tell the story.
>Ask a sociopath what he would do

>>719192301
there is nothing sociopathic about saving your dick

>>719192402
ive got genes to pass on nigga

>>719192402
I wouldn't feel guilty at all, kinda hard to feel for others m8
Maybe one day it'll change

>>719192613
its easy to feel for others, but knowing that others most likely dont give a fuck about you makes it harder to act on

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>>719190749
>in order to free African Americans from slavery
Straight from the Meme Museum of the 19th Century.

>>719192860
its not meme, we fought and died for them

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the south will rise again!

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this is now a wild wild west thread...

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>>719192987
>1861, war starts
>1864, emancipation law passed

For the first three years they were just fighting for lulz.

>>719193815
it takes years to draft meaningful legislation faggot

>>719190749
in the same way the current white people weren't slave owners, neither did you or your faggot daddy ever fight to free anyone from anything.

where does it stop? you go back far enough and black people did shit for you. if black people didn't leave africa for the north, you'd still be fucking around with shit in you lips.

>>719192860
God you faggots are annoying. You think thousands of northern Christians during the Enlightment Era banded together over enforcing export taxes? Let me guess Britain's breaking down of the global slave trade practices was also over US states' rights too?

>>719193815
wow you are the tard, the emancipation proclamation was a result of public opinion that was prevalent for years before the war.

>>719193815

listen 'tard (accurate pic) the only reason it was even ratified was because the dumb ass states had left the union.

>>719194152
>public opinion
Lincoln didn't give a shit about the slaves, he only freed them because he thought the South would surrender

>>719194025
nope, we are genetically different species evolved independently, ask Watson the man who discovered dna

>>719193815
are you retarded?
>1859, Harper's Ferry Raid

>>719194386
you're an idiot.

>>719194367
he freed them from pressure of the majority non slave owners who cared about human rights, aka his constituency

>>719194386
Any black person who's talked with you desperately wants this to be true. Sadly for them, it's not.

>>719194367
Do you know how to refute points? Is the US South one giant safe space?
>attack Fort Sumter
>'War of Northern Aggression'
>asks Europe for help

>>719194563
it actually is true, but who all contain consciousness, hence why I treat all species of human equally. just like i would treat a being from another planet

>>719194546
K

>>719194646
I do, just don't want to.I feel like being a faggot

>>719194760
your welcome for freeing your kind.

>>719195038
I'm not a nigger

>>719194710
this. consciousness is our common denominator...not gentics.

>>719190749
They died so the North could continue to profit from the tariffs on imported goods coming into Charleston Harbor. That's why they wouldn't leave Fort Sumter and why they were fired on by the South.

>>719195494
keep telling your self that, this country was built on the pricipal of liberty and justice for all, and we in the north we helping manifest that vision to the next level.

>>719195183
your ancestors were

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>>719195804
>buying into marxist propaganda

>>719196149
it's just science dude

>>719190749
You aren't thinking like a nigger anon.
A small collective of people of varying races owned and traded slaves in America. They were of similar proclivities and outlooks, and differed from the bulk of individuals who disagreed with them and had disagreed with them more or less the whole time. This is simply the reality.

But that's not thinking like a nigger.
A nigger sees slavery and they see white people from America to Europe complicit and contributing to institutions of slavery. Therefore, all white people shared, in some way or another, this collective burden.
It stands to reason, from the nigger perspective, that the LEAST white people could have done upon coming to their senses was to free their slaves.
That is simply what the slave portion of the Civil war is to the nigger. It is white people, as a whole, deciding far to late that slavery is bad, and then a bit of bickering (war, in reality) with a few of them who were especially reluctant. The Civil War to them was not a clash between two very different groups of people, it was just a spot of turbulent unrest as the last of the people on board with slavery were put in their place by the bulk of people who were on board with slavery up until just now somehow. The slaves were not given their freedom by the sacrifice of people with no real obligation to them or their lives, they were given freedom by people who owed them freedom and the life-cost it incurred.

That is how the nigger perspective views emancipation. There isn't really any way to cure it. As far as this perspective is concerned, because the slaves didn't deserve to be slaves, it was therefore upon everybody to free them.

>>719196149
>>719196229
its a theory

>>719190749
>We burned every bard.
Fuck did Shakespeare do to y'all?

>>719196933
promoted classism through romeo and juliet

>>719196720
nah fool. learn this shit. the word theory has multiple meanings. we don't know WHY it happened, but we know for sure it did. just like the theory of gravity is about why gravity exists, not that we don't know for sure otherwise you'd be flying into space right now.

>>719190749
Why do you keep saying we like you were part of it ?

Embarrassing

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>>719190749
>Hurr durr contribute to society
>I can't spell hurrr duurrr
>because I contribute a lot to society instead of jerking it to animay maymays on my favourite /pol/ image board

lmao no it really doesnt have multiple meanings..all it has are verying levels off acceptance and the idea that all races originated in africa isnt even that widely accepted throughout the world, just promoted by the leftist media who controls most of television and popular websites, that are just public indoctrination tools

>>719197876
they want to lump all white people together, Im lumping all northerners together, my ancestors freed them, my people is a relative term faggot

>>719191282
to honour the squashed i will use my dick every day

>>719197918
ok two things wrong with your post and one thing right. You were right i forgot to spell check my post, i have a cut on my main typing finger with a large bandaid on top that causes me to press the wrong key on accident. You were wrong I actually dont even go on Pol, and i dont even look at porn let alone "animay maymays" thats just you projecting you fucking degenerate

>>719194546
>>719194546
>non slave owners who cared about human rights

>obnoxious rich factory owners who cared about wave of black workers to northern states just to compete with Irish, German, and Polish workers to lower the wages

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>>719198730
lmao wow....you think the majority of white northerners each owned their own factories?

>>719198459
>your
Jesus christ. Are all Americans this dumb?

>lemme make an excuse that i have a bandage for to compensate for my low iq

There are foreigners which you claim that they don't contribute to society, yet they're in the top universities, while you project on a Japanese trap board claiming how strong the """white""" race is.

Top. Fucking. Kek.

>>719198925
the majority of white northerners were just average humans,small buisness owners and regular laborers with a desire for equality for all

>>719199008
"white" species

>>719199075
come on man at some point people had to realize slavery was just wrong. think about it.

Holy shot he amount of faggots ITT who don't understand history. The South seceded because of slavery. You can argue it was states rights or economic concerns but it was centered on the slavery.

THE NORTH WAS NOT FIGHTING TO FREE THE SLAVES. They fought to preserve the union. The south didn't secede because the north threatened to emancipate their slaves, but because he North wouldn't send runaways back to their masters, wouldn't allow slave owners to take their slaves to the North, and wanted to stop the spread of slavery to new territories.

The North would have been totally fine with allowing southern states to continue practicing slavery if it meant preventing the civil war.

>>719199008
im just an average guy who has always treated everybody who i encounter with respect, who is sick of social justice warriors and black people demonizing all white males. sorry my grammar isnt up to par for you, i cant afford schooling because im not a rich factory owner like you claim all white people are. I would prefer if we could all get along but im not gonna stand back and let abunch of blacks and blue haired dykes trample all over me for my skin color and gender.

>>719199203
thats the point ive been trying to make, i am against slavery, and my ancestors were too, and they decided to put their foot down and bring an end to it.

>>719199391
Good white boy, good whitey.
I'll call Quintus in a few moments, i'll tell him to let you off your chains.

>>719199483
Literally not why the north went to war. They were trying to keep the nation together, not wage a moral crusade to free slaves.

>>719199218
then why would they try to prevent it from going to new territories then? things dont happen over night, but the end goal was a country based on liberty and justice for all...

>>719199203
oh yeah, thught you were taking the opposing view.

the southern slave owners were just willfully looking the other way but i'm sure it came out in other ways.

>>719199658
They didn't approve of slavery and wanted it to eventually be abolished but they were not willing to wage a bloody war simply for emancipation.

>>719199564
keep telling yourself that, its in the pledge of allegiance faggot

>>719191282
Multitrack drifting

>>719199564
so you claim, and yet it was all over slavery in the end. we know that now with enough distance from it.

>>719199778
actually we were and we did, we created this country on the premise that all men are created equally, and my great great grand daddy would be damned if some redneck southerners would take that dream from any body

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>>719190749
Let the games begin

>>719199781
Written by white men in reference to all white men, the founding fathers were slaver owners themselves

>>719199840
The south entered the war to preserve slavery

The north entered the war to preserve the union

Get your head out of your ass

>>719190749
>doing things for niggers
You only have yourself to blame

>>719194152
Except the ones that rioted and hung every nigger they could find

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>>719199975
even they were against slavery, just like im against sluts, but im still gonna fuck them for the time being untill culture changes and people begin to settle down

>>719190749
The leaf shall rise again
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Albans_Raid

>>719200359
Sure kid

>>719200064
>The south entered the war to preserve slavery


and you mean started. because two sides can't just "enter" a war.
yeah because the north was trying to end it.

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>>719200183
fuck those guys, that was an extremely small minority, and i refuse to be lumped in with them just because we happen to have the same skin color

>>719199218
hahaha this

>>719200540
I think hes talking about Thomas Jefferson

"As it is, we have the wolf by the ear, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is on one scale, and self-preservation in the other." - Thomas Jefferson

>>719200557
They werent trying to end it at that point, it was just very likely they would try to restrict it, which would in turn end it

>>719200557
>Lincoln was politically attacked as an abolitionist, but he did not consider himself one. Howard Jones says that "[i]n the prewar period, as well as into the first months of the [ American Civil War ] itself....Lincoln believed it prudent to administer a slow death to slavery through gradual emancipation and voluntary colonization rather than to follow the abolitionist and demanding an immediate end to slavery without compensation to owners."

>In 1863, Lincoln ordered the freedom of all slaves in the areas "in rebellion" and insisted on enforcement freeing millions of slaves, but he did not call for the immediate end of slavery everywhere in the U.S. until the proposed 13th Amendment became part of his party platform for the 1864 election.

>>719200635
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots
Nvm, they were draft riots, Irish still went around hanging people though

>>719190749
"Kicked the shit out of them" that's some Yankee bullshit right there. The North outnumbered the South 2:1 and yet the North had more KIA than the South. The North had more resources and could afford to keep sending their troops to water our fields with their blood.
I think we're ready for round two, loser gets all the niggers.

>>719200557
>At the beginning of the war, Lincoln prohibited his generals from freeing slaves even in captured territories.

>On August 30, 1861, Major General John C. Frémont, the commander of the Union Army in St. Louis, proclaimed that all slaves owned by Confederates in Missouri were free. Lincoln opposed allowing military leaders to take executive actions that were not authorized by the government, and realized that such actions could induce slaveowners in border states to oppose the Union or even start supporting the enemy. Lincoln demanded Frémont modify his order and free only slaves owned by Missourians working for the South. When Frémont refused, he was replaced by the conservative General Henry Wager Halleck.

>>719201144
the north obliterated the confederacy and it stayed dead until a bunch of faggots who needed a safe space resurrected it a hundred years later.

>>719201286
Not even a good troll... nigger detected

>>719201286
He's right though, they won because of sheer numbers and had much greater losses than the South.

>>719201402
yeah that's how wars go faggot. the shitshow that was the confederatacy should have thought of that before rebelling.

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>>719201144
lmao...i knew someone like you would show up....triggered by general sherman..we fucked your shit up faggot..we burned your barns, razed your factories, raped your women fucked you up so bad yall are still living in trailer parks to this day

>>719201286
If they obliterated them it wouldn't have taken 4 years

>>719190749

>kicked the shit out of them

You won because of industry, not fighting ability. We killed a hell of a lot more of you guys

Also we told you so about the niggers, Billy Yank

>>719201402
>waaahhh i want all wars to be fought with equal troops

fuck off. don't start wars you can't finish. just talk to all the other enemies of the USA.

>>719201478
>we
>we
>we
>his grandparents weren't even born yet

>>719201484
This

>>719201561
>muh strawman argument

>>719201478
it's hard to even consider the south as the south today. the southern leaders back then would be wholly ashamed by what they found in the south today. most of the white trash still live like slaves.

You did nothing, stfu.

>>719201484
wars took a long time back then. 4 years is nothing. it took weeks to cross a state.

>>719190749
Didn't read. Anything related to America isn't important.

>>719190749

>We

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>>719201478
Rape was rare actually
At least the Northern women would consent to it

>>719201690
R u sea? The leaders back and the wealthy plantation owners conned poor whites to give their lives for the economic benefit of the wealthy

>>719201478
"We" lol. Time traveling keyboard warrior right here

>>719201800
yeah why would the greatest country in the fucking world matter right, 'tard? you jealous miserable faggots crack me up

meanwhile you're too ashamed to name the country you're from.

>>719201842
srs*

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>>719201603
lol like I said it is a relative term for anyone living in the north, which my ancestors were a part of, i still have the bullet pulled out of my great great grandpas leg, the leg he lost freeing the slaves.

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>>719201751
you shut the fuck up fucking faggot.

>>719191282

I'd save them since I don't have one

>>719201932
It's not a relative term. The soldiers are all dead, and you were never one of them. I had ancestors on both sides of the conflict, but I don't conflate my own life with either of theirs

>>719201788
It took 4 years to walk to Richmond?

>>719202087
They stopped for snacks

DDOOD WHAT?

>>719190749
Apparently you didnt look it up either.

If you did, you would know that the war was not about slavery.

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." ~Lincoln

They should have killed the non-whites in this country before the 1900s.

>>719201932
>fight for slaves
>tell slaves they're free now
>Lincoln sends you a letter telling you to take it back, they're not free
>y-yessir

>>719191282

>Carefully time switching the switch and JUST after the front truck of wheels has passed the switching point, throw it.

>The rear truck of wheels would then attempt to follow the track in the direction of my penis.

>Before it reached me, the train would derail itself.

Win, win.

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>>719202067
it is relative. and like i said, i was never one to judge anyone for their race, and i still try not to in my day to day conduct, but i refuse to be marginalized for my skin color and gender and i refuse to have the blame of slavery over 150 years still be guilted upon me. Your right i was never there i didnt fight in the war, but just like black people today werent slave and neither were their parents or grandparents so it goes both ways. that was the point of my original post, black people today are still bitching about slavery like white males of today had anything to do with it.

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>>719190749
It had shitfuck to do with slavery, that was just an overlying excuse for the public to make it look like the war was for moral reasons. It was for territory and land. The south had the best climate for farming. Losing the south would deplete the food supply. Also if the war ended up dividing the country England would have swooped in and reclaimed their colonies. Do you know how valuable cotton was? The American south supplied near all of the cotton Europe was processing at the time. England was going to join forces with the south if they proved themselves an adversary to federal troops but that fell through, they would have taken over not to have dumb hicks dictate a massive cash crop. Lincoln used slave revolts and escape as a well used tactic. Slaves were very valuable since they couldn't be brought from Africa anymore. Lincoln didn't fucking care about blacks and neither did the grunt soldiers of the north and neither the same for the impoverished confederate soldier. Essentially the south lied and said they were fighting against northern aggression when it all boiled down to slaves that made plantation owners tons of fucking money. It was a rich mans war hiding under a disguise of moral obligation.

That being said they should of rounded them all up and shipped them back to fucking Africa. The back to Africa movement was a great idea. Slaves had their purpose when the country was starting but only became a divider in the end.

>>719202087
what's your excuse? the poor white trash of the south somehow got magically good at waging war because they kept slaves? you're an idiot.

>>719202373
The north faught to preserve the Union, the south seceded to preserve slavery, quit falling for historical revisionism

>>719202636
the south seceded because they knew the north was going to end slavery.

you forgot to go back a step

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>>719202373
lincoln is one man, his personal beliefs dont matter, he had to follow his constituency aka the majority of white people who voted him into office who were all against slavery

>>719190749
modern white people are not past white people

>>719199800
fucking dead

>>719202713
So explain:
>>719201056
>>719202373
>>719201213

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>>719202636
You're the one falling for historical revisionism.

You ARE the ones who won the war. Therefore you wrote the history as you see fit.

The majority of Active Duty military in this country comes from the south, you live comfortabily in your rich neighborhoods paid for by the blood of the southern WHITE man.

And you, in return, SHIT all over our culture and white race.

This shit is going to end soon mother fucker. You weak, limp wristed liberals in the north are being killed off by your black, non-white pets.

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>>719190749
Rutherford B Hayes undid everything the Union Army did in order to get him to get elected . He withdrew the Union Army from the south in exchange for a few electoral votes.

enjoy your Rule under the glorious old party of Rutherford B Hayes

>>719199778
Look up John Brown

>>719202882
lincoln was only one person in the rising tide. the end result was becoming clear. you can't credit (blame) the end of slavery on Lincoln. just like you can't blame obama for legalized gay marriage. first the tides change, people start more and more to take a side, only then do politicians buck the system.

>>719202957
You way will die

>>719202957
>majority of military come from poor families
>majority of the south is poor

and guess what? most of them don't think like you faggots. they're anericans, period. they may have differences but none of them seriously want to secede.

it's only you edge-lords that want to take that opinion on it. and you can because you're comfortably removed from any chance of it happening.

>>719202603
>Good farmland
implying the midwest wasnt just as good
>England would have swooped in, reclaiming their colonies
My fucking sides man, you realise how many men and how much energy that would take?
>Cotton
Egypt
>Slave rebellions
Name one
>It was a rich mans war
This is the only thing I understood, and it's completely accurate

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>>719201116
>Irish
I don't see no Americans. I see trespassers, Irish harps. Do a job for a nickel what a nigger does for a dime and a white man used to get a quarter for. What have they done? Name one thing they've contributed.

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>>719199971
lmao i just noticed this...I had a dream last night that this post would cause controversey today and boy did these dumbfuck liberals take the bait

>>719202627
Because they had most of the good generals and knew how to use the terrain to their advantage

It's simple really

>>719202603
i think it would have been perfectly acceptable to send back any 1st generation slaves that managed to escape or whatever.

its even fairly easy to think of them as subhumans, fuck, even now. those weirdos with discs in their lips and shit? we'd be doing them a favor giving them jobs and feeding them properly.

the problem is once you get a couple generations in the whole thing becomes murky. sure, mr edge, you can still think of them as subhuman

the truth is they pick up the mannerisms of the most evolved, not the least. and the most evolved were the lords and ladies.

they started to become undeniably like us.

>>719202957
Why are you projecting? I'm a white Texan living in a small town, calm your tits

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>>719203618
well yeah but that explains every fucking war douche. it all comes down to strategy and knowledge and only after that does number of troops mean much.

the only other factor is belief system, which may have done the south in somewhat too. probabljy a lot of the men, barely better off than slaves, deep down probably thought it was unjust.

>>719202603
>>719203723
and if they had banned or freed any child of a slave, requiring them to get more if they needed them from africa and ireland (ha), slavery might have lived a long long life.

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>>719203391
>implying the midwest wasnt just as good
Midwest was still frontier and wasn't as connected as the south

>My fucking sides man, you realise how many men and how much energy that would take?
Canada in the north and they had more than enough military. Attacking a united United States wouldn't work but a divided America would be easy as fuck for England

>Egypt
They produced cotton but not at the rapid rate and low price the South did

>Name one
I screwed up on that one. I was thinking faster than I was typing.

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So i think after this thread has gotten this far, we can all agree on one thing...The northerners fought the civil for to free the slaves,sacraficed 650,000 men to do so, and our country was built on the idea that all men are created equal and those in the north were going to make that a reality.

>>719203589
Never said the contributed, quit projecting, unless you are projecting a knife in your throat
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Irish_inventions_and_discoveries

>>719204139
yes, and the slavery ending only happened as quick as it did is because the south seceded allowing a ratification to take place. otherwise we'd still have slavery in some states today probably. or at least it wouldn't be federally illegal.

>>719204305
nah, like we just determined culture was already drifting in the way of freedom and justice for all, just like it says in our pledge of allegiance

>>719203995
what they shuold have done is made the 2nd tier slaves, the house ones, to be a voluntary job, one you probably would'nt work where your family is, moving about at will though maybe living on the farm like the servants still do in some countries.

>>719204153
My father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the British with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1814. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.

>>719204440
maybe but there wouldn't necessarily be an amendment.

think about that. the very idea of an amendment being necessary tells you all you need to know about american history.

>>719190749
you're racist

>>719196322
They got it wrong. Freedom from slavery is not a right, it was a possiblity opened by white people inventing machines to take the hard work. If they hadn't, African Americans would have stayed slaves home in Africa.

>>719190749
We did it to reunite the states. Abe dod not even care if the slaves were freed at first, all about restoring the union.

>>719204580
my great great grandpa didnt lose his leg, living 20 years with one legs for nothin...he did it to free these slaves so that they would have an opportunity to join are society as normal contributing members, not so they could become some welfare leaches

>>719204038
Most of the british troops were Americans in the revolutionary war, weve already beaten the british whilst divided

>>719194416
you're one of them, pretend to be smart guys, right?

>>719204630
what? no there always had to be, in order to stop lone wolf slave owners going against the culture.

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>>719203391
>Midwest had no railways to ship the food to the east coast

>England was still dominating the world and would easily breeze through an exhausted military and broken country

>Egyptian cotton is expensive and high quality

>Nat Turner and that's it, but still named one

>>719204791
i love those guys. they're so funny. they try to use big words but there's something just off about it, like it's a rehearsed use.

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>>719204580
Never said I didn't support a free Ireland either
I'm of Irish decent

>>719204783
>Most of the british troops were Americans in the revolutionary war, weve already beaten the british whilst divided

What was the "War of 1812" then you dense faggot? They had 48,000 men on the ground at the wars end with supplemental and superior naval power.

>>719205126
oh man have you been? belfast is such a shit hole. took the train up from dublin and the whole thing just changes as you pass into n ireland. it's crazy.

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>>719201056
you are all niggers and faggots. fuck off. stop being so fucking stupid all the damn time. or just kill yourselves.

You know what's hilarious to me? That the South losing the war was such a traumatic event even in 2017 people still haven't gotten over it. The loss has been ingrained into the Southern Identity and people still wail and gnash their teeth at the fact that its North 1 South 0. For the life of me I cannot understand why southerners still are butthurt over the Civil War. The North doesn't give a shit anymore but the South? They can't let it go.

>>719201932
fuck you, kill yourself already, your shitty diet is taking too long.

>>719204630
did their were slaves in the british colonys, the american forefathers decided that all men are created equal and sought out to form a more perfect union that included freeing the slaves, it was always in the plan, obviously things dont happen over night but American history from Day One (July 4 1776) was based on the fact that all men were created equal. just because british colonial tradition of slavery happened to extend into a few years after the delaration dont get that confused for american culture or tradition

>>719205336
yes, total and complete defeat does that, i think. imagine if germany had just been obliterated and enfolded into france. holy shit the germans would still be hopping mad today.

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this

>>719204922
>true, but the north had more farmland than the south even
>England
Is half a million men worth maybe getting a rebelious colony? Seriously, think about it
>Cotton
India?
>Nat Turner
30 years off

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>>719190749

650,000 my ass. Read some real history books son. The North successfully ran operation potato shield on the South.

>>719205336
oh no, we in the north still are proud that our ancestors made the sacrafice to free the slaves from southern oppression

>>719205477
if that were true, they wouldn't have needed an amendment. after all, the creator endowed them with it.

it's almost as if it's not true that all men were created equal.

>>719205710
a win is a win fag

>>719204783
Loyalism didn't divide the country like the Civil War did on a much massive scale. America won not on military tactics but guerrilla warfare.

>>719205741

The Confederates abolished slavery before the Union you dense mother fucker.

>>719205232
We won the war of 1812

>>719205234
No, I might eventually though

>>719205929
dude ever heard of the star spangled banner? "OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE" we won that war as well

>>719205126
Just left some Quotes from Gangs of New York (2002) it was fun talking.

>>719201932
all this means, dummy, is that trump is more suited to the system of % you set up. 51-55 should be on both maps really, it's that close. it comes down to people who bother to vote, not who actually thought that way

now wyen you get to 65 it becomes important again.

>>719204922

>England was still dominating the world and would easily breeze through an exhausted military and broken country

What is French Revolutionary Wars?

>>719205336
I'm not butthurt by it, I just like the time period

california had 3 million votes for hillary, with out that state trump would have had a landslide victory. Thats why we have the electoral college, so one fucked up degenerate communist state doesnt get to decide who our president is...

>>719205704
>but the north had more farmland than the south even

The north had terrible farmlands, very rocky with weak soil, with the exception of Pennsylvania. Also harsh winters limit the amount you can grow and harvest and the variety, the south didn't have to worry about horrendous blizzards and single digit temps.

>Is half a million men worth maybe getting a rebelious colony? Seriously, think about it

Yes, England was dominating and America was ripe with wildlife, land, unused farmland and resources. It would have been a well understood risk to pluck that from us. Claiming America back would have made England unstoppable.

>India
Again, the south was closer with cheaper shipping costs. Shipping cotton from India is fucking expensive and dangerous since they would have to go around Africa.

>>719205903
Bullshit

>>719190749
The Civil War was fought over States Rights. Liberals made it into freeing the slaves.

>>719206168
not to mention the millions of illegals who voted thanks to obama illegally encouraging them to do so

>>719206700
sure, the state's right to own slaves

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These northern faggots are acting like they came to the south and saved niggers from plantations that were a kin to Jew camps in WW2. Fuck off you ignorant fat cheese eating sewer smelling city living Jew/WOP, marinara vein pumping fat fucking wide ass having, liberal dick smoking, dudes shitting in the woman's commode, rainbow flag havin anal fuck dumpsters.

>>719206744
yeah except that never happened. try to use logic.

>>719206142
Oh, the 4chan autism magic has dulled my senses, i've been wanting to watch that

>>719205929
We didn't win. It was a British victory, hands down, they decimated us. The Treaty of Ghent was created because Napoleon was defeated and France became better allies with England which gave us less reasons to fight since American sailors were released.

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>>719206674

The constitution of the Confederacy banned the trade of niggers. March 11, 1861. Read a book faggot.

>>719206789
butt hurt detected.. we have the moral high ground and care about human rights and decided to put an end to your savage abuse of our african american brothers and sisters..not to mention you are all a bunch of fat fuck fried food eating toothless fucks, "muh 2 liter of cola"

>>719206604

Like Florida?

>>719207020
dude listen to the words of our national anthem, the greatest anectdotal ballad in history, francis scott key witnessed the final battle from a ship in the harbor and declared "the stars and right stripes, our flag was still theree..." we won

>>719207054

They banned the import and export of slaves, not slavery dipshit. Slavery was left up in the air as state rights. I'm from fucking NY and even I know this.

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>>719205929
>America
>Winning the War of 1812

They call it a "stalemate" but it continued we would have lost terribly. Britain needed us as an ally, they weren't prepared to take over our government and were exhausted as well after the Napoleonic wars.

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>>719207202
>Thinks the civil war started over slavery
kek.

You're a first year grad student. You just got finished reading some Marxian Historian, Pete Garrison probably. You're gonna' be convinced of that until next month when you get to James Lemon, then you're gonna' be talking about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna' last until next year, you're gonna' be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talking about ya know, the Pre-Revolutionary utopia and the capital forming effects of military mobilization.

>>719207545

I'm afraid that's semantics nigger.

>>719206654
>it wasnt as good
Not that much worse, it still stumps the myth of the southern agriculture machine
>yes it was
No it wasn't, America would cost shit tons just to just occupy, they are much more valuable as a trading partner, plus you could only really wage war with consent from your citizens, seeing the casualties in the newspaper would do a little bit more than ruin tea time