What made Skyrim so great and why do you still play it?

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>>718609695
nah, bruh... morrowind

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>>718610048

The only good thing Skyrim had going for it was graphics. It was beautiful when it came out and it's more so now it's on current gen hardware.
The only reason I'm playing it is because I finally have mod capabilities on console, and Bethesda knows their fans make a better game than they do.

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>>718610111

>>718610048
This anon knows what's up. Morrowind was a fantastic game that aged poorly, but it's still fun even now.

>>718610048
Is MW before OB or the other way around? What about before that?

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>>718610203
Here's a shot from my Morrowind setup. It may have aged poorly, but for a game that came out in 2002 mods make it way better

>>718610048
>>718610111
>>718610168
Where did it all go so wrong? Bethesda used to be worthy of respect.

>>718609695
I don't know why. I've never bother to play the main story lines. Never bothered with the Dark brotherhood, hate the thieves guild. I guess it's the modding. I'm an MO user and I just keep trying to make the game into "mine"; like I did with Oblivion. It never works out though.

>>718610503
Redguard > Arena > Daggerfall > Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim

>>718609695
It was mediocre so I don't

>>718610728
If I had PC believe me I'd be on it. I need a little more financial stability before I invest in a good PC.

>>718610803
Battlespire also coincides with Arena, though exactly when is not clear.

>>718609695
Skyrim is the best game of all time hands down. 6 years after it released, people are still making hours upon hours of new content. Bethesda struck gold with their mods, the creation engine itself is OK but having thousands of volunteers make it better is what keeps me coming back after each year

>>718610803
lol wut redguard was not before arena

>>718610907
And Online takes place sometime near Redguard, I think. I haven't played it.

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>>718609695
Funny I'm playing right now :P

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>>718610882
Here's another. Having faces not look like boxes w/ textures is fantastic

>>718610958
Redguard takes place in the Second Era. Arena, Morrowind, and Oblivion are Third.

>>718610882
Skyrim can run fairly well on a potato.

Unrelated, can Steam Machines do Skyrim? I've heard some weird shit.

>>718611049
Unfortunately I'm a console peasant, and Xbox 360 no less. Never beat the game and I plan to do so this time!

>>718611081
Stop, Anon, you're making me jealous, lol

>>718611141
I believe he's talking about Morrowind, but your comment still holds true

>>718611081
Yeah MGE is nice, definitely helps a lot. My PC sucks shit and can't run that with all the bells and whistles though.

>>718610942
>best game

Okay kiddo. Bethesda released a garbage-ass game in Fallout 4 because they knew their mod-happy fans would finish the game for them. Skyrim as a story was mediocre at best and it's gameplay was really patronizing in how simplistic it was.
Bethesda released the SSE as a $60 game because they knew their fans would buy it JUST so they could mod it, not because Skyrim was inherently good.

>>718611317
Specs? My PC is pretty beefy but MGE can give even the best hardware shitty framerate if it's maxed out. I had to tweak the settings to even get a stable framerate

>>718611470
I'm not defending everything Bethesda does, I'm saying that Skyrim is probably the best game of all time, which it is. The main story surely could have been better, but you show me a game with more replay-ability than Skyrim

>>718609695
i stopped shortly after "pretty" became boring

I enjoy classes and stats and alignments
You know, rpgs

Morrowind was the shit though.

>>718609695
I have the game but played it once till i beat it then never again. More of a fallout guy myself.

>>718611470
Fallout 4 was such a crushing disappointment, especially considering that aside from the bugs New Vegas was pretty decent. And yet people hailed it as the best in the series, because they are fucking idiots.

>>718609695
nothing
i don't

it was bland, generic shit

>>718611611
Morrowind, Oblivion, and New Vegas already beat it out.

I got a new laptop capable of playing it so I went to loverslad and found a mod that made their tits asses bellies and vaginas jiggle and bounce
Their fucking vaginas
Never would be expected that
Not to even mention osex which is a new sex mod which works perfectly with the HDT vag that has collisions with the cocks so the lips open when they're fucking

Wtf man best game ever
Been fiddling around trying to get it to work for like three hours but I finally stopped being stubborn and looked up a tutorial

>>718611687
yeah. I prefer the dialogue decisions and the changing the world aspects over the fantasy story thing in elder scrolls. I want to get into them, but I just prefer fallout in every way.

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>>718611081

>>718611716
I felt like Fo4 was just bethesda showing off their new, smoother engine as well as better physics/shooting mechanics. It honestly felt like half the shit in the game was incomplete. Settlement building had no strategy, there isn't RPG, AI seems lifeless.

>>718611611
It is not even close to being the best game of all time. It's not even the best game of 2011. It's barely the best game of November 2011.

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>>718612036
God's curse on the world is that fucking Intel chip

>>718611871
I loved New Vegas, and 1 & 2. 3 was so empty and unpleasant, and I don't think I need to go into 4. I love Fallout's setting, though, and run a Savage Worlds game, set in the American Southeast in that setting.

>>718611981
>Not even the best game of 2011

That's like, your opinion, man. It got game of the year from like, every gaming outlet

>>718611971
Agreed. I got tired of it inside a week.

>>718611971
The main impression I got was that it fell victim to the "Open world" plague of modern video games; they focused on the size of the game world, filling it with absolutely loads to do, forgetting to make any of it interesting or varied. And that's not getting into the dumbing down of the story and character building.

>>718609695
The freedom. You can mod it until it has enough intelligence to mod YOU!
It's like escaping real life to live in another world with Beyonder's powers.
Also, sex mods. Skyrim satisfy my fetishes better than any girl will ever do.

>>718611611
Duck Hunt

>>718612197
Like that means a fucking thing

I play vanilla Skyrim on the xbox 360 to this day.

Hate me.

Every once in a while when I get a long weekend and no one is coming around I break it out and start anew. It's somehow relaxing at this point, comfortable. Like an old pair of comfortable shoes. Comfy.

>>718612302
Motherfucker, see
>>718611049
I'm playing right now on Xbox 360 lol

>>718612276
>my opinion is worth more than thousands of people who's profession it is to analyze how "good" a game is

you do you buddy

>>718612171
3 was fine. It had its moments. Unfortunately it doesn't have much to do side quest wise. I mean, maybe 20-40 hours in total with side quests and main story. New Vegas on the other hand.. I have over a hundred and could still do more playthroughs with different choices, and probably more quests I haven't touched yet.

>>718609695
the great mods!

>>718612424
No, fuck that "opinion" bullshit. Not everything is subjective. Skyrim is an objecively flawed game in so many ways.

>>718612036
jesus fuck, throw that thing in the garbage

>>718612424
>quality is decided by committee
Hell, I guess Justin Bieber is the best musician of all time, then.

>>718612222
>checked
what happened to the dialogue, you know, the main fucking part of fallout? Christ, how did they fuck that up. NO ONE asked for a dialogue wheel.

>>718611871
Yeah i played fallout 3 and new Vegas in like 15 hour intervals for a few months. Skyrim never really had my undivided attention like fallout did.

>>718612424
Also, game journos have had no credibility for years.

>>718612614
Hahaha, it's fucking awful dude. I couldn't even get South Park: Stick of Truth to run on this because of that fucking pixel shader 3.0 or something. Can't play Project Zomboid now either since they upgraded sprites to 3D.

My life is in shambles.

>>718612635
Elder scrolls games are rougher to get into, that's definitely part of it.

>>718612607
We can agree that Skyrim has its flaws, but to say it's a terrible game is just insane.

>>718612622
This

I haven't played it since like October 2015. Bought the DLC, to try and squeeze more life out of it but it really started to bore the fuck out of me, especially when events wouldn't trigger so I had to fix shit using the console.

>>718612770
dude, get 200 dollars and build a better computer with used parts..

>>718612629
Yeah that dialogue bullshit wheel was stupid.

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>>718612629
God, it's awful, and it doesn't even reflect the choice you are given. Like, first time I confronted whatever the fuck his name is who stole my son, I took the 'Sarcastic' dialogue option. This is what my character said.

What the fuck.

>>718612833
>get 200 dollars

Got $200 to spare? I'm poor. Paycheck to paycheck. Trying to save up to get back into school so I can stop being a fuckin concrete slave.

>>718612796
At no point did I say it was terrible. The only insane thing that was said was saying it wasthe best game of all time.

>>718613047
It's objectively the best game of all time, yes.

>>718609695
Bethesda basically dumbed EoS down to appeal to a more casual market.

I'd be lying if I say that this wasn't my first EoS game, but after playing Oblivion and Morrowind I can't really play Skyrim anymore, falls short when compared to those two gameplay/story wise.

>>718612966
Yeah, that shit barely ever has anything to do with what you choose. At many parts of the game, nearly every option is the same exact sentence, just worded slightly different.

>>718613144
0/10

>>718612966
I know.. The sarcastic option is literally fucking autistic. My steam review just consisted of saying don't ever pick it. Most of the time I pick an option, and what my character says doesn't come close to reflecting what I meant. I just sit in shellshocked horror watching my character act like a total retard, because I didn't just pick the standard yes option.

>>718613207
why are you even here if you hate this game so much

>>718613156
You think so? I thought Oblivion is kinda clunky. I went back and tried to play it recently and it just didn't do it for me at all, and I used to love the game. Then again, I am on console, and I'm sure it's an entirely different game on PC.

>>718613286
I enjoy talking about it.
I don't hate it, I enjoyed playing it. It's just overrated.

>>718613319
If you have an AMD card oblivion stutters constantly, no matter what.

>>718611611
New Vegas, Morrowind, to name only ones in the same vein. If you count multiplayer as replaying, then Halo 1-3 have it beat by a longshot.

>>718613408
>0/10
>I enjoyed playing it

Am I missing something?

So, I'm at the first Alduin fight, level 26

Did sword and shield build and playing on Expert

Everything was going fine till this point

I do extremely little damage and take so much damage, any explanation?

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>>718613408
He's got you pinned

>>718613535
Your bait was a 0/10 kiddo

>>718613535
I sincerely hope you are trolling

>>718613551
too early for alduin...

>>718613690
Don't enemies scale?

>>718613641
Your mother was a 0/10 kiddo

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>>718613424
see
>>718612036

I'm playing Baldur's Gate 2 at the moment. It's amazing how much better a role playing game it is despite having aged poorly.

>>718613690
Level 26 is seriously too early?

Find that a little ridiculous

>>718613571
Not that anon, but it is overrated. I had fun with it, I'm still playing it occasionally (Dishonored 2 is my main jam right now), but to call it the best game of all time tells me you're either a kid or you've played a terribly small variety of games.

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>>718613770
Yeah, alduin doesn't though. Also, why are you rushing through it so fast dude?

>>718613551
>level 26
This tells people nothing. What are your skills at? What are you using? Is your equipment upgraded/enchanted? Do you use potions?

>>718613936
I'm a different guy than the other one saying it's the best. I was just pointing out that the guy shitposting in the thread is pretty sad considering his intense hatred for skyrim (ostensibly).

>>718614057

I'm like 15 hours in, I did an ass tone of side quests and shit

>>718613551
>26
Man, I'm really bad at holding to the main quest. My current char is something like 30 and I've yet to get the horn for the ancient fucks.

>>718613551
Trust me. The wife did the same thing. But she's an imperial. All magic. Heavy armor retard. I don't ever understand. We haven't gone back but we're in the 40s now. Think it might be time but I'm stuck playing Dragonborn for the first time.

>>718614283
I've got a level 79 Redguard chick and I haven't even been to the foot of the Throat of the World

>>718613911
Your level doesn't matter at all, you can kill Aldiun at level 1. Shit scales, so it doesn't matter.

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>>718614190
15 hours? Dude, take your time. Holy shit, I was like 40 before I got to alduin I'm pretty sure.

>>718614109

Yes, I've been using +30% to one handers, poisons etc...

And 3/5 1h using Dawnbreaker

>>718610048
Has anyone tried the Morroblivion MOD, is it worth it?

>>718613551
Don't undervalue enchantments. Also, don't be afraid to turn the difficulty down if it's so hard it's unplayable. You can always turn it back up later. When you're good you should be able to start the game on adept and not have to change it.

I loved the previous two Elder Scrolls titles, and I loved Skyrim all the same. I loved the openness, some of the NPCs were pretty bomb, I liked the story, I liked the DLCs, and oddly enough I enjoyed the leveling system despite it being tedious. Admittedly they could have done better on a lot of things, like improving the story and making longer, improving the dark brotherhood and thieve's guild quest lines, making better and not as stiff NPCs, making more and diverse followers and enemies, make a respect system so that NPCs will not treat you like trash, and not make most dungeons cookie cutter versions of an original model. But despite all this, the community still thrives, the mods are awesome, all 50,000+ on Nexus and 10,000+ on Steam, and I will keep on giving this game hours until ES6 rolls around.

>>718614685
Frankly, Bethesda are shit at difficulty. They just do the old "Player damage down, enemy damage up" shit and it feels ridiculous. Bandits killing your dragonbone armour-plated ass with iron arrows.

>>718614643
Morroblivion and skywind are both crap. Morrowind's engine is a big part of the reason it is good. Both of these mods aren't going to be morrowind even when done, they're going to be oblivion/skyrim with a morrowind filter on them

>>718614907
I agree, I understand the concept behind scaling enemies but I wish they just stuck with the static leveling system of Morrowind. Being able to tell exactly how far your character has come is a GOOD thing

>>718614109
Also, forgot to add I'm using the nightengale armor with no added enchants

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because this

>>718611611
I agree, trolling or not. It's certainly not a great game according to 'hardcore gamers' but it is fun for the majority of normal humans. Shit is made to profit off the masses, not to cater to the demanding thumbs of nerds with nothing better to do than point out every flaw. Shut up and play games on the side for fun like normal people, or go make an awesome game yourself.

>>718615154
>nude females

just download CBBE/UNP like a normal person

>>718615041
This. Nothing makes you feel more terrified than wandering into some Daedric ruin at low-level and realizing that you fucked up. Nothing makes you feel more bad-ass than returning there later and murdering the fuck out of some Winged Twilights, while stealing their souls for good measure.

>>718615041
I can see why people like scaling, as it means you never steamroll enemies and you never run into something too hard for you to take down, but I despise it. It just means there's never any sense of progression, and often, low-tier enemies vanish completely. I was so glad when The Witcher 3 came out and it didn't have scaling, because it's so common now.

>>718609695
nothing. it wasn't, i don't

>stale moldy Bethesda garbage

>>718615276
Not trolling, but so many longtime fans on here like to assert their gaming superiority by claiming that older is ALWAYS better, which is fantasy

>>718615276
You are a legitimate idiot

>>718615516
why's he an idiot for stating his opinion, just like you've stated yours?

>>718615515
I think you mean "which is not always the case*"

>>718615300
>CBBE/UNP

i am good thx

>>718615652
No, it's fantasy to believe that older games are always better 100% of the time

>>718615640
...did you read his post? Did you give it even a second of thought?

Also, "opinion" is not a get-out-of-criticism free card. Opinions can be fucking stupid.

>>718615516
Nah...

>>718615846
Why not point out exactly why his post is 'flawed' instead of just writing it off with no explanation? You're making us all cringe

>>718614936
Damn. I was really hoping it was just a graphical update. I love me some morrowind.

>>718615402
>never steamroll enemies and you never run into something too hard for you to take down
If that's what the scaling was supposed to do then it did it extremely poorly.

>>718615827
Oh, I read that wrong, my bad.

>>718615665
whatever man, just trying to help you out

oblivion and morrowind were better in many aspects and right now i dont play skyrim anymore

>>718615516
Aww you made bro

>>718616006
>I agree (that it's the best game of all time)
>It's certainly not a great game...

cause i can fuck khajiit

>>718616190
what?

>>718609695
sexlab

>>718616190
He said it's not a great game (according to 'hardcore' gamers). Can you read, peasant?

>>718616537
How in any way does that make any sense? Going on to defend it as 'made to profit off the masses' is even more dumb

>>718616451
clearly you haven't ascended

>>718616693
I find it more surprising that this doesn't make sense to you.

>>718616190
The point is that 'the best' can be defined in more ways than one. It is not the best according to most people who live and breath vidya... BUT to me and most average muricans it is fun and one of the only games I still play occasionally, when I'm not dealing with work, family, etc...
C'mon not a difficult concept to grasp here...

>>718616711
oh please, its the only mod that makes sense, how come nobody take a shit or have sex in this games?

>>718616833
Here's the concept that you seem to have difficulty grasping, as do so many others.

Fun =/= Quality

You can enjoy a game without it being good. You can hate a game that is good. The best games are both good and enjoyable. Skyrim is enjoyable, but not good.

>>718617055
Sexlab is oldschool, is all I'm saying. look up Skyrim Ascendancy Engine and 0sex.

>>718616693
Not defending... pointing out that Bethesda, like any other fucking business, exists to make a profit.
Dude, let's quit our jobs and make TEH BEST videogame ever that hopefully a couple thousand hardcore gamers will love and buy. Let's charge around $15,000 USD per copy though...

SKYRIM IS THE WORST ELDER SCROLLS
Bethesda is making bad RPGS now because they casualize everything. I said what is true. amen.

>>718617094
"skyrim is enjoyable but not good" please grace us all with your advanced understanding of quality in gaming. You seem to be some sort of master

>>718617474
Who gives a shit why they exist? That doesn't affect the quality of the game.

>>718617515
Gr8 b8

>>718609695
It's a fun game with some replayability plus the mods add a lot. I just wish it wasn't so damn easy. I usually only nax out my enchanting and smith because it's how I make money ingame and I can go through the game at like level 20 without any trouble. And no I don't use the potion exploit to make god tier gear.

>>718617760
<33 thanks

>>718617094
Fair enough... but you're admitting that quality isn't necessary for fun... so where is the incentive to include expensive and time consuming QUALITY, when the damn thing sells either way.
It's all about the fun, right?
Bethesda are shitty developers but fantastic business men

>>718618114
>Bethesda are shitty developers but fantastic business men
Truth. What makes it worse is that they used to be good at both.

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>>718617567
I'd be happy to write a full review but the thread is likely to 404 by then. In a word, it's shallow.

>>718618298
Look man, I enjoy the game, I get that you don't like it. Why waste your time in these threads, then? Go do something you DO like

>>718618114
Because quality still affects your enjoyment of a game, it's that simple.
Because Skyrim wasn't good, I stopped giving a shit once I finished it. The games that are both good and fun, I remember them for years.

>>718618435
I do like talking about it

>>718617616
... but it does.

The quality is dependent on many factors like employee talent, time tables, management choices, feedback, current trends, etc...

Regardless of all that, based purely on the finished product, Skyrim is a flawed but ultimately fun game for the majority of Americans. No more, no less.

Goodnight all

>>718618291
To be honest, I like a fair few of their non-ES/Fallout games

Skyrim was destroyed by two things.

You could fast travel and thus never explored the land properly.

You could echant weapons with unlimited mana buffs.

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>>718609695
skimpy armor and fuck mods.

I think we can all agree that without the huge modding community around the game it would have died a long time ago

>>718618650
That is nowhere close to what "destroyed" Skyrim. Besides, those were in Oblivion and, to a lesser extent (fast travel), Morrowind as well.

>>718618471
That's the problem... we all are okay swimming in and eating up the shit.

Videogames are made for kids, man. That's the market. What do you expect?

>>718613047
It's the best game of all time

>>718609695
One of the best games of its time. I finished literally every quest while offline at my bro house. super fuckin dope dragon fights and funny to fus roh dah people like lydia off a mountain.

>>718618888
*Some* video games are made for kids.

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>>718609695
open world, mods, my waifu

>>718618888
It's all shit.

What's YOUR favorite flavor?

>>718618869
Morrowind's fast travel was restricted enough that it didn't cause the same problems that Oblivion's and Skyrim's did.

>>718619131
What videogame is made for a 30 something dude with limited time?

Videogames are made for kids and for NEET's

>>718619423
>Who would possibly target a demographic with disposable income who can actually buy an 18 rated game without having to convince mommy

>>718619423
And NEET's are basically kids, just bigger

>>718619421
You aren't wrong. Morrowind's fast travel made sense. You hire a silt strider because you don't want to walk all that way, or you hire a boat because you don't want to walk all that way, or you teleport away because OH FUCK WHERE DID FOUR FUCKING CLANNFEAR COME FROM.

Oblivion and Skyrim, on the other hand: You don't want to walk all that way, so you... walk all that way off-camera.

I enjoyed Oblivion, but all of Skyrim's problems are Oblivion's problems taken to the next level of casualization.

>>718619140
I am a lowly console peasant (PS4) and am very jealous of you m'lord. I would only dream of acquiring those mods.

>>718620153
you cannot do that on ps4? that's indeed a great pity.

>>718619421

Shyrim's fast travel didn't effect the game one bit...unless you use it. Are you a faggot who fast travels all over the place and doesn't bother to explore the world? I'm not, so it had no effect on my game. You though, seem to have a real problem with it.

>>718619672
Yes but once again the titles made for that demographic (COD and Madden bullshit) are lacking in quality too... why..?.. because KIDS are the majority who play them.
Adults might have disposable income, but not time.
Unless you are a NET that is.

So again, majority dictates vidya

>>718620454
That's not really a fair criticism though, because it didn't offer any other means of travel beside walking/horseback. As opposed to, say, hiring a boat as he mentioned.

>>718620469
The vast majority of gamers today are adults. Time passes and things change. You need to look around and see what's up sometimes. Google it if you must.

>>718620469
And yet despite your claims, there are plenty of video games that are good, enjoyable, and clearly aimed at a mature audience.

>>718620454
To be fair, a lot of Skyrim's quests are "go to one end of the world, now go to the other end of the world for reasons, now go back". It was a bad solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed.

Morrowind is by far the better game and the nerevarine would own the dragonborn like a little bitch but anyway.

do I still play Skyrim? Yes

what makes skyrim so great? Mods

>>718620386
Sony won't let us put on big boy pants. No scripts or external elements allowed.

>>718620614
I don't get it. I walked everywhere, even when I had a horse, I usually left it behind the the horse combat sucked. I played through Skyrim to completion 3 times and walked everywhere, completed every quest (yes, EVERY quest), and rarely rode a horse and fast traveled no more than a dozen times in hundreds of character levels. You don't need to fast travel unless you have poor impulse control.

>>718620781
I assumed the Dragonborn would have won in a fight because Skyrim has no concept of balance and lets you be good at everything

Skyrim was decent
not great but decent
but even before I got to whiterun I felt it needed mods just to be playable
>no waypoint
>map fog
>no fast travel
these were needed in lower res rpgs because you couldn't put direction clus into the game
Skyrim (end even Oblivion) had street signs
if a place is hard to find add to the roleplaying element and make the PC ask NPCs for direction

>better rag doll (8oz arrow traveling @ 30mph does not throw a child across a room)


after the first play through though, I felt it was too easy
and the combat was brutal because I suck at timing

so I added in cold weather survival, and realistic needs and diseases

imo, scaling everything made it a worse game that it could have been

>>718620975
That is an incredibly fallacious statement

So after all the mention, gotta ask. How good is Morrowind really? What are it's pros/cons? High points/low points? I'm the guy with the piece of shit PC with the Intel Chipset graphics, but I could still run Morrowind with MGE (on low settings), but I never really got into it.

>>718609695
I don't because it sucked.

>>718621325
I paid ~$30us
and I feel I got my moneys worth and no more

>>718620975
>no impulse control
Sorry I didn't enjoy spending an hour on walking to and from on a quest that takes 30 seconds

>>718621014
>lets you be good at everything
So did Morrowind.

>acquire silver weapon
>acquire Common Soul Gems
>go to tomb outside Balmora
>kill Bonelords
>sell to Creeper for 5k a pop
>pay for training
>rinse/repeat as necessary

>>718621803
Fair enough, sorry. I'm much less familiar with Morrowind. It's on my 'to-do' list.

>>718621144
>How good is Morrowind really?
Up to you. I fucking love it.

>What are it's pros/cons?
That's a big fucking question. Cons are dated graphics and lacking combat. Combat is usually what turns people off from Morrowind, since it's kind of annoying to swing a sword point-blank at an enemy and miss because your numbers weren't high enough.

Fortunately, there are mods for that.

>>718621014

you can easily get all skills maxed in morrowind if you know what you're doing

nerevar has access to far more powerful items such as sunder, keening, Royal Signet Ring, the mazed band, 2x wraithguard, trueflame/hopesfire etc. can create custom spells, has access to many spells the dragonborn does not, nerevar is immortal/ageless and immune to disease and it is heavily implied in the nerevarine prophicies that he is also dragonborn.

>>718622270
Old RPGs always seem to screw me with numbers and random chance.

The very first time I hit an enemy in Baldur's Gate my sword broke

>>718620688
LIES!!!

>>718622523
lmao that's amazing

>>718622270

I didn't mind the graphics at all with MGE. Without that though, the faces of everyone in the game was god damn unbearable. Guess I'll have to give it a shot.

>>718622454
This. the Dragonborn killed a god. The Nerevarine killed three.

In your opinions which side of the civil war is it best to be on?

>>718623030

At first, it was without question the Stormcloaks. However, after a few play throughs, I'm starting to realize how they are all a bunch of bigot racist fucking neanderthals crying and starting a war for crazy retard shit, and that most of the bad things that are happening in Skyrim are because of them pushing and pushing and pushing at shit until it boils over.

>>718609695
it wasn't and we don't

>>718623030
Imperial. Ulfric is a power-mad racist stuck in the past. The Empire may have gotten fucked by the Concordat, but internal strife and a divided Tamriel only benefits the Thalmor.

>>718623030
you gotta be on the imperials side, the whole civil war is by the design of the thalmor to weaken the empire, the thalmor are the true enemy

>>718623258
Interesting, I see a lot of people say this. I supported the Stormcloaks too, but I never went back through it to see another angle

>>718623362

Exactly. If they weren't so short-sighted, maybe the Stormcloaks unifying with the Imperials could stand a chance of defending themselves against the Dominion, but I guess we'll never know since they can't see past their own nose.

>>718623311
Speak for yourself faggot. I still play.

>>718623554
Think about it, and think about what >>718623362 said as well. The Stormcloaks are a bunch of easily led lemmings doing the bidding of Ulfric who's just stringing them along with buzzwords and shit to get them all riled up.

i kill every thalmor on sight, no exceptions

>>718609695
It wasn't and I don't.

>>718623779
Agreed. No matter what.

>>718623554
Civil war is a tricky thing. From the Stormcloaks' perspective, the Empire stole their sons from their homeland, sent them off to die, and then took it in the ass from the knife-ears anyway. Their sacrifice was for nothing, and they are fucking pissed.

>>718623842

Yeah but what is their sacrifice for now when they have no chance of defeating the real enemy (the Thalmor)?

>>718623705
It definitely makes sense, but I don't remember enough of the story to contest or support it. Just that a lot of the "Stormcloaks are just racists" stuff I saw was on Tumblr, and I couldn't tell if there was an actual point, or just tumblrites being tumblrites, so it's interesting to see it here.

I do remember being quite disappointed that there was no apparent option to end the war without destroying one side.

everyone says skyrim is super fun and I actually bought it on sale, but playing it is super boring.

I have to force myself to like it.

I never played it.

>>718623842
The whole thing is a sham tho. Ulfric got incepted when he was a Thalmor war prisoner into creating conflict in the region so the Thalmor could slip in and take over. It's even in the game.

>>718623983
They think they'll be stronger standing alone, with the strength of Ysgramor. They're wrong, but I understand them.

>>718623991
I did think Ulfric was a prick, though, I remember that