So now we have führer Drumpf taking away our healthcare. Thanks

I still have health care but then again I have a job nigger

>>718440024
>inclusive liberals bash trump by implying all Germans and Americans of German ancestry are nazis

Can we stop with this whole "Drumpf" thing?

>>718440319
kek,
He speaks the truth.

>>718440401
Can you stop with the whole "Living" thing?

When did he announce this then?

>>718440024
People sick enough to need healthcare are a drain on the resources of the Fatherland and should be sent to the good folks at the T4 project for disposal.

>>718440481
I'll be sure to die the second you stop whining about Trump's election.

>>718440524
The entire campaign. There is no Affordable Care Act replacement, but the groundwork has already been layed for a repeal by Republicans on Capitol hill.

>>718440618 Oh so someone in congress has written up a bill, huh do you know how much support it has?

>>718440922
Adults are talking.

Coverage has gotten way shittier and way more expensive so that everyone can be covered. It's a transference of wealth to the dregs of society.

>>718440024
bump

>>718441142
Unfortunately this is an issue with out of control Healthcare costs. Insurance system won't help that.

>>718441142
The dregs can't even afford healthcare, under a certain threshold and you're not covered by the ACA but by Medicaid, and since many states have slashed Medicaid funding the poorest of the poor (unless you're a single mother of 3) will be left with no health insurance

ACA was flawed but those flaws can be worked out without a total repeal

>>718440024
i mean, i was paying for your health care so from where i'm standing he's taking away your bills from me.

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So what does Trump replace Obamacare with?

Does the GOP even know? Or are they leaping before they look?

>>718440024
Fuck off, dumbass.

Obamacare has been BANKRUPTING average American families for years now. Prices have skyrocketed and basic care has decreased. NOTHING good has come from it. Obamacare was designed to fail so that the entire healthcare industry could be redesigned around a government-run system.

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I would suggest HEIL HITLER and hope for the worst. May he slay all jews and mexicans.

>saw a bad hombre 2 month ago
>voted for trump

What a total loser you are OP.
Put down the Dem coolaid and think for yourself.
-Obama was the worst president in modern history.
-Obamacare is a unsustainable failure, look at all the exchanges that closed.
-health care for illegals.

Let me educate you, there is nothing FREE. Someone is paying for it, the people GIVING it to you want something for it, your dumb vote.

Did I say loser?

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I don't get it,the bronies have there own board and they stay there,but you politic faggots clog up /b/ with this shit instead of staying on /pol/.

https://youtu.be/628_RmtaQvU

>>718442041

Worse than George W. Bush?

>>718441878
Lots of good came from it. Rates skyrocketed for some, but fell for others. It allowed people with prexisting conditions to finally get afforadable healthcare too. Be careful with words like "never" or "nothing"

>>718441878

That still doesn't change the fact if the Republicans fuck up replacing Obamacare, they'll get blamed for it.

That's the magic of controlling the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. Everything that goes wrong will be laid at your feet.

>>718440024


Premiums raising each year. They will raise so much that we won't be able to afford it anyways.

>>718441142
This. At this point, free market healthcare is way more affordable.

>>718440024
I too have coverage. now that the ACA is dead I can actually shop around and get a better policy.
thanks Donald.

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>>718440024
meanwhile at op's house....

>>718440616
He found out how to become immortal...This son of a bitch...

>>718442622
>what is cause and effect

Maybe the permiums are so high because your health care costs a fucking fortune.

Doesnt one bag of saline cost like $500 or something?

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>>718444394
So why do you have this gif saved, anon? Exactly this purpose? I doubt it.

>>718444645

I don't see the doctor. I only have healthcare cause I don't want to eat the stupid fucking fine that our nigger president forced on us for not signing up. Before Obamacare I paid less than $50 a month. Now its gone up over $100 per month. It has gone up each year for me.

>>718440024
You're welcome. If you don't have it, you didn't deserve it to begin with.

Whomever said "healthcare is a right" is a fucking 'tard.

>>718440024
Fuck yeah!
Get rid of the nigger Obama care. I have my affordable care act, I'll be fine!

>>718440024
oh hes getting rid of a compulsory government program whos quality has only showed itself to be a waste of money, and a bed of shit surrounding the lies of keeping your own doctor.

>>718440024
kek glad to live in leaf land

>>718440024
Massfag reporting. We had Romneycare here before Obamacare. It was cheaper and more efficient. I hope he does repeal the ACA so we can go back to the way things were.

>>718445000
Try being self employed.

This fucktard egomaniac in chief is costing me over $2K a month.

>>718445235
Where the streets are paved with syrup and the french are polite.

>>718442325
180 dollars a month for me i was 21 single white male when obamacare came out minimum price was 180 monthly for me considering i had a minimum wage job at the time imagine how much of my income that is. 7.25 hourly here. if i say no to that i get fucked out of like 200$ on my taxes easy choice

>>718445459
by what lowering your taxes?

>>718445608
r u 4 real?

Suck much Pelosi dick?

>>718440024
Just go buy your own health care you fucking wanker

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CAN A DA
DA
Donald America
Trump America
Tromp America

So basically Canada means: Can A Donald Trump, tromp America? Yes folks, it can.

>mfw I just discovered Canada's true meaning
>mfw the answer was there all the time, Donald Trump was a prediction for madness over the USA.
>fuck this shit nigga

>>718440024
WHAT HEALTHCARE? THE SAME HEALTHCARE YOU PISSED AND MONED ABOUT WHEN OBAMA WANTED IT? JESUS CHRIST AMERICA

>>718445459
If you are a small business owner you need to vote Republican! I had this same conversation in reverse with a guy selling foodstamps complaining about Obamacare. He didn't even have a job for them to be taking taxes out of his check.

>>718440024
So how much do you pay for your health insurance monthly and where do you live. Once you answer then and only then may you continue to speak

ITT: uneducated americans are all experts in their political system

>>718442147
this

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>>718440024
>Trumpanzee realizes ACA = Obamacare

>>718442252
Obama did nothing about the bombings but bring more mudslimes into the country to make sure Hillary didn't run out of ammo for the weapon that's destroying the country, polished greatly by the idiot liberals who support them.

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>>718441878
Luckily, being uninsured doesn't bankrupt anyone.

>>718446207
we're not 16.
Most are well aware of what the "Affordable" Care Act is.
and frankly, I don't appreciate the government making Health Insurance MANDATORY like my Car Insurance already is.

>>718445995

> current year
> being a yuropoor

>>718447186
Your picture proves nothing.
Just says the guy was an idiot for not predicting this would happen.

>>718447703
>be "yuropoor"
>same income
>lower cost of living
>clean, modern, well managed cities
>reliable government and reasonable authorities
>people generally happy, spending power through the roof
>unemployment at historic lows
>no alt right fags or sjw tumblrists bringing their reddit issues into irl politics
>irl politics mostly concerned with spending wealth influx on expansion

Feels good bro

>>718440401

>p-please stop picking on my daddy

>>718447186
It doesn't though. You don't have to pay medical debt, there is no way they can force you to pay.

And eventually the collection companies will sell the debt to someone else very cheaply and try to collect some of it, but again, the keyword is try. There is nothing they can legally do to get you to pay.

>>718447826

It's pretty clear cut until it's YOU that has to choose between crippling debt and your life. Mortality is not limited to niggers unfortuntely

>>718440024
he didn't take away your healthcare
you can still go to medical school
you can still pay for treatment
you just can't embezzle others with your drug addict problems
sage goes in all fields

>>718448455

>everyone that wants affordable healthcare is a drug addict


There's a flaw in your logic here...

>>718442853
Speak for yourself moneybags

>>718445790
This post was so horrible that the cells in my body started commiting suicide giving me lepracy. Thanks faggot.

>>718448282
>there is no way they can force you to pay.

Other than forcefully taking away everything that you own

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>>718440024
shut up nigger

>>718448641
>implying people get sick and die before their time because of reasons other than unhealthy lifestyles
>also, not realizing you are more prone to wasting money when it isn't yours
sage strikes again

>>718440024
Yeah! Fuck him for taking away the government forced insurance plan that made a few insurance companies filthy rich!

YEAH! FUCK HIM!

>>718448282
You have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Your scenario is true only if your assets remain below a certain level or you file for bankruptcy. Otherwise, if you have sufficient assets, the collectors can get a judgment and start executing on that judgment.

Educate yourself, mister.

>>718448847
Isn't it a 5k fine for not buying insurance from company A B or C?

Here's an idea. Stop working fast food and retail and expecting a living wage. Turns out, if you actually have some sort of marketable skill and put in the effort, you'll land yourself with a full time job, insurance, a living wage, and a 401k. You don't need college to do it either, but if you do decide to further your education, maybe gender studies, history, and english literature are not the best choices. You are literally cucking yourself.

>>718440983
>Liberal
>adult

Pick one.

>>718444645
My insurance through my employer had gotten larger than my mortgage and power and water bills combined a month. 1300 a month for my family of 4. I still came out of pocket over 10 grand for medical treatment last year. So my very limited care we received last year ran us over 24000. There is no way this math makes sense.

This year I went to.the exchanges and got a similar plan for just as much but the subsidy does take my out of pocket to 450. That's still 1300 a month the taxpayers and I are forking out.

Something has to give. I don't think there is a good solution unless we go to the German model.

>>718440024
>dumbshut

alright op, you've had your fun.

now tear this thread down.

>>718449022
Probably varies from state to state. If you live in a communist state this may apply, but not in the free states.

>>718449172
Any European model is better than the shit system the US has, but

>hurrr durrr socializim, muh tax dollars should go to bombing 7 countries simultaneously

>>718449273
No mate that is pretty much every state. The bank ALWAYS wins.

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Eurofag here. Now that Obamacare will be gone soon I'm looking forward to all the threads with ppl with open nutsacks, broken fingers and fleshwounds looking for medical advice on here. There will be 2 options like in the good old days: pay a couple of grands for your shitty hospitals cause you dont have insurance or fix it with tape.

>>718448282

It'll ruin your FICO/credit score, and if you ever go through bankruptcy a court can order you to pay.

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At least we can spell "dumbshit", you spicnigger dumbshit.

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>>718448115
Kek

Good luck with that.

>>718449116
>implying you can reason with animals who only have human rights because of leftist policies after the second world war
>implying shitty majors were invented in good faith and not to scam students by promising intellectualism to idiots incapable of intellectualism
dude, you can reason with morons
save your breath

>>718445095
>Get rid of the nigger Obama care. I have my affordable care act
It is such a great joke. I like it.

>>718449273
Read the last line again ... "educate yourself"

>>718449363
We are totally fucked. Both parties are bought and payed for by K street. They use race and social issues to share power between themselves. One day the banksters and lawyers will be hung from the lamp posts. Robespierre 2020.

Cuck-in-Chief doesn't have the balls to repeal Obamacare. Watch his press conference tomorrow if you don't believe me.

I have medicaid and still voted for trump. I hate being a leach but premiums should not go up 200%for others just cause I need catheters just to live. That's bullshit.

>>718448454
Well, it's really just the obese and fags with aids. The po' niggas already Medicaid. My health insurance was better and cheaper before the damn ACA.

>>718442041
Says you. All you see is a black person and you can't stand it. Can't wait for the rust belt to implode on their own ignorance. Fucking inbreds.

>>718449553
You too! I hope that whipping up socially disconnected doctrine about the outside world being a mad max wasteland solves your domestic issues.

>>718444968
ouch

>>718440024
I didn't want niggercare in the first place, it is shit. Trump repealing niggercare? GOOD

STFU you fucking nigger enabler

>>718449079
no, the fee is base on how much you make.
I make 130k/year and my fee is only $1300.

being a 1099 worker, i have to pay for healthcare on my own, which is around $700 per month for me, and that still has a $5k deductible... so fuck that, i go to the doctor once ever couple years. Its cheaper for me to pay everything out of pocket and the yearly fee.

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>>718440024
also getting ready to remove all your nasty porn

>>718440024
fuck it. The american people have spoken....

>>718440024
Nice bait, retard.

Get a job.

>>718444582
Underrated.

>>718450474
Yeah, why can't we all have cheese pizza like normal people that are the Europeans and the Muslims have?

>>718440401
no its about how he couldn't be proud of his ancestry and had to repress his own name. good strawman though.

>>718450322

don't worry nobody wants you to have healthcare either fucking scum

>>718440319
I work for a small business that can't afford a full insurance plan for our less than 10 employees. Without the aca we won't be able to supply insurance to our employees and we will lose at least 6

Trump has successfully killed our company

>>718450044
>no you're just racist!!!!!
Trump re-election in t-minus 4 years.

>>718449273
THERE'S LITERALLY A TV SHOW IN AMERICA WHERE DEBT COLLECTORS TAKE THINGS FROM PEOPLE WITH UNPAID BILLS

>>718440922
the republican majority.

>>718440319
>being this ignorant

>>718440524
It's been one of his number one gripes the entire fucking campaign

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>>718442147
Because you get banned for posting ponies on /b/

>>718450677
>MUH GOVERNMENT PROGRAM
>shitty government program
>needlessly complicated
>force shitty healtcare
>cheaper to pay out of pocket

>>718445606
Honestly, that's not even that bad. More than privatized healthcare, but even so, not by much.

>>718445000
This. Anyone know how much the fine is? I'll be getting hit with it this year

>>718441142
You do realize why it's so expensive right? It's the lack of medicaid expansion in many states

You can see the direct correlation between states that expanded medicaid and the costs of insurance for everyone else

>>718450060
We want the wasteland.

>>718448282
research before you act like you know everything man. this is just sad.

>>718441342
This

The Republicans gutted a key provision (the medicaid expansion) that originally made the Massachusetts plan so good in the first place. When the bill was originally going through

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>>718450060
Enjoy pretending that there aren't any problems in your cucktry while Abdul gives your wife the ol' halal sausage.

>>718448943

Are you actually trying to suggest that you'll never die if you'd just live a health lifestyle? How fucking young are you? Do you fucking hear yourself. I good friend of mine died at the age of 34 from terminal cancer, he was at the fucking peak of health until he noticed a lump in his armpit one day.

Shit just happens because we're mortal. There doesn't have to be a moral cause for bad things to happen anon

>>718450322
Don't you have a containment board you belong in?

>>>/pol/

>>718451317
libshit detected

>>718448943
You are actually 100% fucking retarded.

>>718450889
yea but i make 1000 a month thats 20% of my income plus income tax and social security thats another 15~25% so 35~45% of my income a month was going to the government if i decided to get healthcare cause im young i dont need healthcare. It should not be manditory it should be a choice

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>>718448455
I had major surgery when I was 12 and without ACA noone will insure me at all. I will lose everything if I have a serious medical issue and I will go back to having no way to insure against it. how is that reasonable?

>>718450881
>govt can't regulate private healthcare costs due to lobby gridlock.
>healthcare cost obviously over inflated
>govt creates competition to drop unfair pricing schemes

Honestly, this was a great effort and did drop prices.
What would be a better solution to stop the unjustified costs? Seriously?
Try to continue to pass bills and amendments that get rejected because people pockets are getting padded?

>>718450651
yeah cause we dont do anything about that stuff right now. thank god we can have someone come tell us what kind of porn we can watch though. nice strawman though

>>718440024
>implying you were owed healthcare
>implying obamacare did anything more than give layabout losers free healthcare as it drove premiums up for practically everyone who pays their own way in life.

stay mad, faggot. maybe he can get rid of some more social programs and you can either starve to death or get a job.

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>>718451399
Brainwashed teenager detected.

You do realize stormfront/infowars are both full of lies right?

>>718448641
not what he's saying.
there's a flaw in your reading comprehension.
nice strawman too, faggot.

>>718450712
kek
I hear this a lot.
and every time I think.
He's not in office yet.
so he didn't do anything.

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>>718451645

>>718451458
I don't understand how the aca is actually affordable when the premiums get tripled

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>>718451599

>>718451656

But that's literally what he was saying

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>>718451645
And Hollywood has no liberal bias according to the NYT.

>>718451645
Gb2 Tumblr. This site is not for you

>>718449730
This is wishful thinking at its worst. Think about it.
Americans have become limp, whiny pussies.
They bail out banks just to get fucked over.
They bail out airlines just to grab their ankles and pay $70 for a fucking carry on fee.
They watched a witch and a clown run for president and, rather than object, they just sat back and watched.
They watch their government hand over their money, their culture, and their future to illegal aliens and terrorists ...I mean..."refugees" and they do nothing.
The gun nuts claim they have the 2nd amendment to protect against tyranny, but they've not even spoken of a real revolution even though Clinton, Bush, and Obama were tyrannical enough to warrant at least a fucking >discussion<

The most any american will do is post a bitchy comment online and then get back to work to pay off that education/house/car/life that they can't even afford. Who made it all so unaffordable? Legislators. But oh well. Nothing to see here. Go back inside. Go back to sleep. We'll wake you when the pop tarts are ready.

>>718440024
Can't afford healthcare? You don't deserve healthcare.

>>718442041
/Thread.

Has nothing to do with race. Someone is paying for what you want for free. Problem is, the ins companies know ppl can't get out of buying ins and the rates get jacked. Just like Car insurance did when that was required by law.

Fucking Dems have no capacity for critical thinking.

>>718450651

Perhaps you should start with wanting the capacity for half decent grammar.

>>718451645
And still CNN took the award for least trusted news outlet in America.
My sides.

>>718448943

Hello teenager, have fun when real life shows up.

>>718451822
So Colorado is a red state now, eh?
news to me.

>>718440024
Awwww is OP an able bodied adult with no job on Medicaid???? My heart bleeds for you

>>718452310
>Someone is paying for what you want for free

Healthcare is a need, not a want. This might not occur to you but society is stronger when people's needs are met, since if someone is healthy they're out there building, selling and buying things. Needy people do not do this. As such, as a general principle, needs get paid for by whoever can afford it if the need is bad enough.

> Fucking Dems have no capacity for critical thinking.

The irony is delicious. You literally have no concept of societal sustainability

>>718451438
It'd be more like 16% considering it comes out of your gross, but that's splitting hairs. But I agree with you otherwise.

>>718452128

Sorry to invade your safe space with some reality.

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>implying America had any decent healthcare to begin with

>>718451184
>"Shariah netherlands"
>Cop isn't Dutch
Uhhh... Sure sport. Totally on the verge of the apocalypse over here.

>>718450712
How did he manage that without having even taking office yet?

>>718450712
Then don't offer insurance. They can buy it with their own money. Better yet, think of this as an incentive to hire veterans and/or reservists/national guard. We already have Tricare. I pay $49/mo for my Tricare reserve select. As such, I don't burden my employer with the responsibility of providing for my health insurance. You also get the satisfaction of knowing that you're providing work for people who have made sacrifices for this country and safeguard your way of life. It's a shame that there isn't a law that requires employers to give vets priority.

>>718452525
you're confusing your own greed with civic responsbility.
you're right about healthcare being a necessity, but it's not my job to provide it for you.
i got a master's degree by working my ass off and i sure as fuck didn't do it all so some neet faggot could step in and rip me off.
eat shit and die, loser.

>>718452458
Yes, yes, you are the adult, whining and bitching, asking for working people like me to pay your bills. Boy, what do I know about adulthood? You sure are mature to drink, smoke, fuck whores, and making illogical fallacies.

>>718451750
When the bill was originally going through there was a key provision that required each state to expand medicaid to cover everyone making under $15k/year. This would ensure that all people that currently make Healthcare so expensive (the go to the ER but never pay because they can't afford it) people would be insured and able to pay their bills. Medicaid has the ability to cover this many people cheaply simply because it is so many people they can make massive deals for very cheap.

However the Republicans said no, and to give each state the right to decide if they want it. This means everyone with health insurance has to pay for those that can't afford even ACA (aca doesn't cut in until over $15k/year)

The states that did expand medicaid are NOT getting higher prices than before, they are getting lower

>>718452642
He just DID, okay anon!? You're arguing with your mind and not your emotions.

>>718452650
Lol fag

>>718452611
>How 'bout a kiss, for luck?

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If you can't afford your own healthcare, you probably deserve to die.

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we knew he'd be taking away your healthcare. also medicare/social security/disability. lol and no, republicans don't have a replacement. They'll probably just take Obamacare and relabel it Trumpcare. The retards will approve.

I've said it before. The people who're going to benefit the most are the coastal liberal elite.

The people who'll be the most harmed are middle class, red state filth. And by God they deserve it.

>>718452818
this.

>>718451184
>netherlands
>british bobby
topkek. Propaganda at its finest
Fun fact - One group invoked sharia in Netherlands in 2004. Immediately got listed as terrorist org, hunted down by our marines cause counterterrorism is their jurisdiction.

Now if you can also keep out YOUR radicals, we're good as is.

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Rabbi trump's giving you idiots a chance to finally install single payer.

Will you do it? Or are you truly retards.

THAT is the question.

>>718452233
>Can't afford healthcare? You don't deserve healthcare.

Yup all the rich people deserve it. There is no bad luck in the world. And everyone has their own pink fairy to talk to at night.

So fucking gross when the born lucky (in whatever degree) telling the unlucky they deserve it.

Oh, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it...

"I gotta a job, I work hard, never had a smidgen of luck, in fact I crawled out of the sewer as an orphan with only one leg, one testicle, and apparently only half a brain."

>>718452668
right, just like education isn't your civic responsibility.

It's everyone's. Society has collectively realized that there are spillover benefits to covering eachother's needs. Greed has nothing to do with it - heck if anything greed is wanting the benefits of society without having to pay into it - which is exactly what you want to do here.

> but it's not my job to provide it for you.

Not individually no - your job is to pay taxes, the government decides how that gets spent - and their job is to make sure society's needs are met.

> i got a master's degree by working my ass off and i sure as fuck didn't do it all so some neet faggot could step in and rip me off.

Your motivations are irrelevant.

>>718452893
so you're pro-elite and anti-middle america?
good platform. super "tolerant" wording there too, guy.

>>718452642
>>718451687
He has promised to repeal it immediately. Our company is still up and running, when it is repealed we have 3 expectant parents in our company and 3 more people with chronic conditions.

>>718452650
One of our employees is a Afghanistan veteran, he's not applicable for tricare because he left. He didn't retire. He could go to the VA but last time he went they made him schedule an appointment 4 months out for strep.

>>718447660
Damn right. The premiums blow, but I wouldn't want a repeal so badly if not for the tax penalty.

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>>718453070
If government intervention didn't horribly fuck up healthcare, it wouldn't be exclusively affordable to rich people.

You're the one that hates poor people.

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>>718445235
Until you lose your job for more "diversity" in the work place and get sent to jail for not using someones proper pronouns.

>>718440614
/thread.

>people should have everything free
It's called getting a job.

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>>718453125
I'm pro-elite as long as the elite are liberal.

And I am anti-middle-America as long as the flyover filth we're referring to are republicans.

FACT: The largest bloc on welfare in America are whites in red states. Coasts give BILLIONS to red states annually, for subsidies and welfare.

It's getting old.

>>718447186
If you look at the date on the bill, this person wasn't insured, in spite of the ACA, anyway! Your argument is invalid.

>>718453244
> If government intervention didn't horribly fuck up healthcare

It wouldn't have fucked up anything if the people who believe government didn't work didn't go out of their way to prove it.

Face it republicans intentionally destroy government so they can say government doesn't work - it is their fault the ACA is as awful as it is

>>718453091
Was any of this supposed to be an argument?
My job is to pay taxes so others who contribute literally nothing can have everything I have without any of the effort?
My motivations are irrelevant?
That's about the kind of thoughtless, self-serving, braindead shit I'd expect from a commie.
"Does not matter what you are capable of commrade! I have more children and less money than you, so my family is now your financial burden."

GTFO faggot.

>>718453244

That governments have messed up does not mean they always will. That there isn't a better answer.

Canada.

Secondly, the system isn't solely messed up because of government. The profit motive is highly problematic when part of healthcare.

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>>718451599
Most of them have a job, in fact, many have way more than one job

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>>718453463
>Canada.

AHAHAHAHAH

THEY HAD TO DECLARE A STATE OF FINANCIAL EMERGENCY SEVERAL YEARS AFTER IMPLEMENTING IT

THEY HAVE SEVERELY UNDERCUT THEIR BUDGET SINCE THEN

AHAHAHAH

CANADA OF ALL PLACES IS YOUR EXAMPLE???

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Deregulate EVERYTHING.

Let private industry run healthcare, welfare, education, environmental causes etc.

And that's what's going to happen. So buckle up buckaroos.

Jew Kushner's in charge!

>>718453333
You're skewing numbers and anyone here with half a brain knows it. Liberal turds do the same thing with black crime statistics.
"I'm all for elitism so long as it's MY people who are in control, but I'll scream bloody murder if a republican does the same."
This is called hypocrisy.
The whole "Flyover filth" comment is the sort of shit that just lost you morons the election.
The flyover filth builds your cars and grows your food, but go ahead and condescend to them.
It's obviously worked out real well for ya so far.

>>718453634
>education
Hang on there buddy. What's going on?

>>718453377
Exactly, they were being facetious

Without insurance a single operation will bankrupt anyone

ITT: Niggers that dont remember a time before the entitlement of Obummocare.

We lived without it forever we can do it again.

>>718453159
so he went AWOL, or deserted?
or was dishonorably discharged?
listen to yourself making all these dumb excuses...

>>718453390
I went to Nassau one time and got a terrible stomach virus. I paid a grand total of 50 dollars to talk to a doctor, get a checkup, and blood work done. The only thing their government provides them water, not even food stamps exist there.

Now compare that to the wealthiest county on the planet, where a doctor visit could cost several hundred dollars. Gee, I wonder what could be the issue.

>>718453390

This is true.

A classic political move. Do everything to make sure the other parties policy fails and they say "oh look at that failing policy."

Extremely duplicitous. And what happens when partisanship gets in the way of actually caring about your country.

>>718453400
> My job is to pay taxes so others who contribute literally nothing can have everything I have without any of the effort?

You are amazing at building strawmen. Let's knock it down:

> people who contribute nothing

No one contributes nothing. Contribution fluctuates with a variety of factors, many of which are outside of our control as people are not omnipotent. The only people who contribute nothing at all are dead.

> can have everything I have without any of the effort?

Your tax rate is not 100%

Are you going to continue to whine about this? If you really want to be completely independent of all other people and have no one sucking off your teat, you should go live innawoods, /k/ommando. I'm sure your masters degree would get you far there.

>>718453333
So you'd have compassion and feel some sense of social responsibility to help those less fortunate ONLY if they share your political views.
Wow.
The party of tolerance, ladies & gentlemen.

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>>718453754
Jew Kushner's going to give kids vouchers for private schools.

No more public education. It failed.

>>718453833
If it's so much nicer, why not live there?

>>718453893
precisely.

frankly i'd like to see your kind culled. destroyed. gassed (seriously).

you see liberals don't talk the talk. conservatives do that.

we'll let you stay angry, and keep whining.

>>718453893
> ONLY if they share your political views.

It's actually more about how destructive their views are, not if they share mine. Nice fabrication though.

>>718454009
I actually want to. If it weren't for the fact I have already invested a bunch of money into where I live now and had a family to worry about, i totally would.

>>718453532
Cost of living here in NJ is so high.
I could scrape by on $1000 a month but that would include roommates and hardly any room for frivolities.

>>718441758
This.

When (and if) Trump does repeal Obamacare it probably will be another fucking disaster. Let's face it, while Obamacare has been pretty EPIC FAIL (due in part to Republican bullshittery) they mostly want it gone because of the name and corporate lobbying.

Cost actually has zilch to do with it. We all know Republicans are not fiscal conservatives, despite constantly screeching about "tax and spend liberals".

Let's not forget Obamacare is actually a Nixon initiative that was shot down by Dems (trololololo) and was an adaption of a proposal by Teddy Roosevelt. Had Obamacare been instituted under a Republican administration (Bushcare/Reagancare), they'd be fighting tooth and nail to keep that shit.

>>718453070
Pretty much. I was born to a single alcoholic mom with other brothers/sisters she couldn't afford. I joined the military, learned IT, started my own business, and at the moment I don't have any healthcare so I'm not being holier than though...If I got sick right now that is natural selection my friend.

>>718440024
Quit expecting us to pay for your shit, faggot.

>>718453620

You don't know what you are talking about.

Although nice try with the ALL CAPS. Looks like you really mean it.

But you actually have no idea.

PS: Fun Fact - Canada pays less per capita in government funding for health care than the U.S. does, and they have a universal health care system.

>>718453877
Youre obviously pulling bullshit theory out of your poli-sci/soc 101 textbook.
There are PLENTY of people who contribute nothing. Go to an inner city sometime and see all these junkies and fuckabouts in line for a check.
Watch them go blow it on booze and then insist that they've somehow contrtibuted.

>Your tax rate is not 100%

What was that you were saying about strawmen?

Never said my tax rate was 100%
They'll still get a house, car, utilities, healthcare, and food because, @ 30%, it only takes about 3 people to subsidize one useless turd and provide them with a quality of life they would not obtain on their own.
You're not Robin Hood, you're just a common thief.

>>718453826
No he was discharged because of disability when he broke his back in a motorcycle accident

It means he is only able to receive veterans health care service not tricare

Tricare is reserved only for those that actually retire from the military, not those through general discharge

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The leading cause of bankruptcy in America before Obamacare: medical bills.

at the very least SOME republican trash will end up bankrupt when they lose their Obamacare. Sure, a lot of good people will, too.

but I'm excited to see some of trump's retards BEG for Obamacare to come back. After they've been destroyed by medical bills.

>>718454204
Keep in mind they invented that name themselves.
In all likelihood the GOP will just relabel ACA to Trumpcare and leave it as is.

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>>718440024
>taking away our healthcare

You don't get what you don't deserve ya lazy twat

CAN ANYONE IN THIS THREAD AFFORD A 60,000$ HOSPITAL BILL?

CAN YOU AFFORD TO PAY GRANDMA'S HOSPITAL BILLS WHEN SHE DIES THERE AND STICKS YOU WITH THE BILL

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>>718440024
>we have führer Drumpf taking away our healthcare.

Wanted Free food, and free housing, and thought a car should be included too.

>>718452756
Lol, hater.

>>718440024
This is bad. America will be the land of haves and have not. No more niggers and crackers but rich fag poor fag status.

>>718440024
>our healthcare
You mean the private insurance policies that you're required to purchase? You can keep buying them voluntarily if you want.

>>718454440
No but most people can afford to pay <$100/month for non-welfare insurance.

>>718454018
Now you're assuming I'm your enemy solely because i'm debating your bullshit.
But I like your tolerance still. "Culled, gassed, destroyed" (nice nazi terms btw)

You're seriously everything that's wrong with the liberal party. Your collective hypocrisy is starting to become more apparent and you're so arrogant that you believe no one notices.
They do. They did.
Enjoy the next 8 years.
Keep up this sort of idiotic rhetoric, and it'll prob be 12-16.
Pence 2024.
Enjoy it. God knows you deserve it.

>>718454440
And somehow you think that since Obama drove healthcare costs through the roof for working class people, that we should wonder if you welfare twats should be able to afford a $60K bill?

>>718454294
>In all likelihood the GOP will just relabel ACA to Trumpcare and leave it as is.
And I, honestly, wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised. Then they'd start asspatting each other on what a "great success" Trumpcare is...

>>718454164
I just took exactly what you said at face value.
Nice back-pedaling though.

>>718440401
We've never even seen his real birth certificate. For all we know, his real real name could be Schickelgruber.

>>718454225
They also have a shitty health care system. Enjoy your 8 hour wait times and death panels.

>>718452173
mfw no one has had a fucking thing to say about this post.
haha.
truth hurts.
stay asleep and stay cucked, pussies.

>>718452650
Tricare isn't available to veterans. Only if you retire.

>>718440024
healthcare was never provided. thankfully hes going to take away the requirement that i purchase healthcare or ill be fined

>>718454269
> What was that you were saying about strawmen?

Not a strawman - a misinterpretation. I took when you said "have everything I have" literally, as in taking everything you own, draining your bank account until it reached zero. Not a comparative "have the same kinds of things I do"

> Go to an inner city sometime and see all these junkies and fuckabouts in line for a check.
Watch them go blow it on booze and then insist that they've somehow contributed.

Any consumption fuels economy - it's called demand, that does count as contribution. Especially since so many efficiency optimizations only happen at scale, meaning if you don't have x customers for your thing, it stops being economical to produce. Look up marginal cost sometimes. Besides, even those people sell and make things and provide services. Sure it might only be drug running, babysitting, performance art or just general favors - but just because you don't value it doesn't make it not a contribution. Heck many of them even sell body parts - there's always a way for a body to contribute.

> They'll still get a house, car, utilities, healthcare, and food because, @ 30%

This is very different from your earlier argument of no healthcare for anyone who can't afford it.

>>718453159
That blows. My mom has been getting fucked by the VA too. It took a bunch of paperwork, but I'm on the cusp on making her my legal dependant so she can share my coverage.

>>718440401
Awwww, just like Twumpy poo: your feelings get hurt so easily, you poor little Alt-Right faggot. get fucking cancer and die from it, you dumb bitch. It was Fox News that taught you "liberals" were "inclusive". we are....except when it comes to racists fucktard idiots whose parents should have been sterilized.

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Cry more, liberals.
MAGA

>>718455014
you are gonna lose YOUR healthcare

literally any car could hit and run and you are SOL

YOU WILL NOT KEEP YOUR JOB FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE

>>718450665
Or it's just a translation? You fucking dingo

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>>718454656
>Schickelgruber

>>718455115
>Or it's just a translation?
Nope, they actually changed it to sound less German. Because the whole WW2 thing, you know?

>>718440024
>t. moron
Obamacare has forced people into purchasing expensive health insurance they may not want or need.

The only reason Obamacare was enacted was to pay back Obama's corporate sponsors in insurance companies who now stand to profit from the artificially inflated demand for health insurance. It has sent insurance prices up, making it worse for those who don't want health insurance, and has increased the burden on those who already paid for health insurance because of the increased prices

All so the Dems could count on the insurance companies funding their campaigns

>>718453333
Then why keep voting for people who want to continue giving money to them? I live in Texas, I'm a Republican, UT grad, army vet, and I make a good salary. I hate giving my money to people who don't work for it. I vote on a strictly financial platform. Money matters, and everything else is secondary.

>>718451202
this, or some random accident happens and you're a cripple. etc...

I though you didnt have healthcare?

Guess USA was more developed than i thought

>>718455390
Actually if you'd followed Obama's original intent of nationalized healthcare you would'v eliminated profit margins or the need to pay out dividends to shareholders and thereby inflate prices so upwards of 50% of it can go to investors.

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>>718453125
"Give me your brainwashed masses yearning to be wealthy…"

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>>718455414
>army vet
>bitching about welfare
wew lad

>>718454920
yeah, that was a shitty strawman. don't lie about it now. it's there for everyone to read.

So drunks and fuck abouts are an important component of the economic system? didn't realize that. thanks for educating me. kek.


>This is very different from your earlier argument of no healthcare for anyone who can't afford it.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. I said they do not >deserve< it, never said they don't >receive< it anyway.
Pat yourself on the back, though, I'm sure your liberal arts professors would be proud of the social progress you're making here on 4chan.

>>718454556

sure, kid.

>>718455414
yawn.

>>718455614
Well there's the dumbest thing I'll read all day...

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Whats up with muricans unnatural love for jews? DId they think this old reality star would be a good president solely because hes a kike?

>>718453333
Technically, Iowa, Florida, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina are currently red States.

>>718455541
>implying obama had any intentions of staying with his "original plan"

He made unreasonable demands at first so he'd get shot down, then put his intended plan into actions in a compromise

>>718455614
Real tough online, aren't you kiddo.

>>718455821
He made those demands to find a middle ground. You'd never adopt the original plan cause hurrr socialism.
Or would you be in favor of socialized medicine if Trump rolls it out?

>>718453333
... And Indiana.

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>>718455756
his supporters were by and large 'white nationalists' (their term).

they still don't think trump has jew-influence.

it's rather funny.

american here, I'm not losing my healthcare

don't know what these people are talking about

>>718455614
This argument never gets old.
The difference between a soldier and welfare queen is that one is being paid for services rendered and the other is just receiving gibmedats while bringing fuck all to the table.

Willing to bet everything I have that you'd never have the balls to say stupid shit like this in public -- and certainly not to a soldier.

Safe behind that monitor, eh sport?

>>718440024
He's a man of the people. He'll give us Universal Healthcare.

>>718455784
they're considered 'swing states'

but I wouldn't expect honesty (or intelligence) from your kind.

>>718440024
Obamacare is ridiculously expensive. In fact it cost a lot of people their insurance that could no longer be provided by their employers because costs went up so drastically.

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You NEVER had healthcare.
What you had was money transferred from a worker to a shirker.

>>718455671
yeah. don't bother refuting points.
just call me "kid" and scamper off.
typical pussy. typical moron.

>>718456003
like the commies have?

>>718455886
>would you be in favor of socialized medicine if Trump rolls it out?
Nope, would rather have healthcare vouchers issued to the very poorest so that they can redeem them when they get ill. Would still allow the free market to compete for the best service, would stop the poorest from dying, and wouldn't be forcing anyone into making purchases they don't want to make

>>718456056

yawn.

are you done whining yet

>>718455863
>Real tough online, aren't you kiddo.
>>718455985
>Safe behind that monitor, eh sport?

>pots calling the kettle black

>>718440024
Fuck health care. Only pussies NEED health care.

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>>718456119
kek

>regurgitates the republican platform's line verbatim re "healthcare"

>>718455921
Jews use the white nationalist like cattle, fucking hillarious

>>718454214
but is that natural selection?
You were born to a fucked situation, and it sounds like you've done a decent amount to pull yourself out of that situation. Yet you're still in a decently shitty situation. While others are born into far better situations, do far less and remain in far better situations.
That's not really natural selection...

>>718456123
and again, you prove my point.
not only have you lost, but you're doing it in the standard democratic fashion -- with a total lack of grace or dignity.
it's been real.

>>718456119
Okay so basically you want socialized healthcare, but you want to double the gov't investment in it so you can also shove some of the cash to private sector investors in insurance firms?

You want to socialize both the healthcare AND a broad swath of private sector revenue?

>>718456123
and again, you prove my point.
not only have you lost, but you're doing it in the standard democratic fashion -- with a total lack of grace or dignity.
it's been real.>>718456138

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>>718449363
7 countries? Those are rookie numbers, we got to pump those numbers up!

>>718450730
go fuck your sister
>>718450876
die barney fag

>>718456138
that phrase doesn't mean what you think it means.

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>>718456297
yes, these 'white nationalists' have indeed been cucked by Israeli jews.

it's sad that white nationalists don't promote education amongst their kind.

they're rather embarrassing.

Go vegan! You won't need insurance really, you can eliminate the risk of cancer, illness, and anything going wrong with your body. Just be careful in cars and shit, with a self driving car, I will never need health care

>>718456399

sure, kid.

>>718456318
Medical care in general goes against natural selection. Too many weak and defective humans are living too long, breeding, and bringing us down as a species.

I make minimum wage, Obamacare more than doubled what I pay for health insurance and it's way worse than it used to be. Now my deductible is so high I pay for everything out of pocket unless I get hit by a bus or something. The bill says I'm supposed to get money from the government to cover the increase but that falls on the states not the fed and mine told Obama to go fuck himself so I'm just screwed. I can't fucking wait until Trump takes Obamacare I'm basically paying double what I used to for no healthcare

>>718440319
I have health care but then again I live in a first world country nigger.

>>718454556
Its so funny as a non-american watching you fucking morons destroying your own country just to spite the few people who are trying to fix it.

Here are republican arguments in a nutshell.

>immigration
>hurr durr immigrants r bad becoz fox told me

>the economy
>hurr durr raise taxes on the poor remove the tiny amount of tax left on the rich and remove litterally all regulation
>this caused the great depression
>who cares fox told me to

>the military
>hurr durr spending a trillion dollars on a plane that doesnt fly is a better use of money than healthcare
>fox told me we have to do it or the russians will get us

>litterally all social issues
>hurr durr muh bible

But them damn liberals am i rite XDDD /r/thedonald !!XDD

>>718456594
Government policy based on bipolar disorder. Genius!

>>718456103
If that's what you call it. The rest of the world calls it Universal Healthcare. Come out of the dark shadows. There's nothing to be afraid of.

>>718453893
I have no sense of compassion or social responsibility. No one has given anything to me. I earned it. I didn't have money for an education so I enlisted. Thanks to the G.I. Bill, I got a degree and have a comfortable life.>>718454440
Every man for himself, buttercup.

>>718456618
So, in fact, and as you just wrote, this is the State you live in that is screwing you. Maybe you should vote your current governor out.

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>>718456645
Liberal PC bullshit has gone too far, but Republicans still take the cake when it comes to stupid bullshit.

>>718456618
You make minimum wage and have health insurance? Fuck off troll.

>>718456359
Vouchers for the poorest is hardly socialized healthcare, it would be a relatively small program that would cost millions, but would hardly break the bank the same way Obamacare does, and wouldn't inflate the demand for healthcare too too much

Also I'd rather the govt pay slightly more to the healthcare companies than force the people to pay vast amounts into it

>>718454440
That's what life insurance is for, anon. I carry 650k between my SGLI and Transamerica just in case.

>>718456657
It basically cannot be argued that the best thing for the planet is less people. Whats best for the planet is best for those living on it. Our overpopulation is actually worse for us than letting a shitload of people die would be. Prove me wrong?

>>718456645
you're right, naturally.

sadly America's a retarded country (literally).

there are far more stupid people in this country, than there are educated. in fact republicans are anti-intellectualism, anti-science, and anti-education.

>>718456902
>Vouchers for the poorest is hardly socialized healthcar
In both cases you are paying for their healthcare.

In the original socialized model you pay only operating cost and salaries.

In your model you pay operating cost and salaries + profit margin to pay out to shareholders.

>>718456950
I'm not your therapist.

>>718456138
Idiot.

>>718454497
That's the way it was meant to be. At least black lives matter can't pull the race card anymore

>>718456668
its tuff funding universal health care for a country of obese ham planets and niggers while at the same time funding a military to "protect" the entire western world

>>718440024
It seems like yesterday all I saw was people crying about Obamacare. What a wonderful world.

>>718456645

>Republicans love immigration
>Republicans hate ILLEGAL immigration
Honestly democrats are the racist ones on this issue. They essentially are calling for only one race of immigrants, hispanics, while leaving out everybody else including black people. Republicans on the other hand want legal immigration from all over the world and not just one specific racial group like the racist democrats want

>I don't support raising taxes on poor people
>I support lowering taxes on ALL people, including the rich
>Remove some regulation

If you've ever managed a small business you know that regulations are fucking insane right now


>Both are important
>F35 is a stealth targeting platform not a dogfighter


>I'll give you this one. Republicans are retarded on social issues

OH YA! DRUMPF UP IN HERE

>>718440024
So that one day you can afford great health insurance for the cost of a cable bill.

>>718456882
Anyone here makes minimum wage and can offord to pay health insurance? Does mc Donalds contribute to health insurance?

>>718456399
As a non-american, I gotta say I find it ironic when you say "Democrats lost". First of all, everyone lost. You lost, democrats lost and republicans lost.
But in the long run, the democrats just won. Who better to completely wipe out the American republicans but Trump? After Trump, not even the most racist Cletus in the south would dare to vote Republican.
The democrat candidate can even be named "Muhammed Hakim Mahala" and be an open Muslim convicted of child rape. It will still be more desirable than the repuclican party Trump will leave after this period...

>>718457219

I can't afford it but Obama literally made it illegal to not have so I sold my car and take the bus now instead of having car payments

>>718454752
I know. That's why I transitioned to the reserves after I left active duty. It's pretty pathetic how we need to complete twenty years and still pay for it but a politician only needs to complete one term for free healthcare for life.

>>718457198
>If you've ever managed a small business you know that regulations are fucking insane right now
Not him. But I own a business.

I don't know why it's so hard to go through a 3 page form once.

The only real motive against regulations is to lower legally required quality/safety measures. Like being able to sell otherwise FDA disapproved food. Not having to bother with worker safety. Not having to keep legal liabilities in mind towards the public. Etc.