Electoral college, yay or nay faggots?

yay

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I found trump's color :^)

I'm against it, it is an outdated system that gives way too much power to a small group of people, and by that I don't mean the electorates, I mean the small population in rural america

>>717428966
But what about the farmers?

>>717428997
I don't see why farmers should have more say in how the government is run compared to someone who lives in the city. And I'm from
Wyoming I know a thing or two about states with small populations.

Expecting trump supporters to have political convictions isn't realistic. The man's a weathervane that follows bile

How often did they completely reverse their positions for instance

>>717428848
You cant make it a binary. what do you propose as an alternative to the electoral college?

if you work simply with the popular vote, then places like NY and Cali will basically dominate the vote and if you live somewhere else you vote be worth next to nothing.

>>717428848
I prefer electoral university myself tbqh.

>>717429094
>I don't see why farmers should have more say in how the government is run compared to someone who lives in the city.
So if the farmers don't have a say, why even be a part of the country?
Kiss your food and airspace goodbye, faggot.

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>>717428848

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOr9P61OQu0

>>717428997
>>717429094
farm equipment doesn't vote and rural voters don't run farms because farming is such good money so the farmers live in urban sites

>>717429150
i dont understand your point about NY and cali

the number of votes a state gets in the electoral college is based upon its population

the purpose of the electoral college is to protect the popular vote from being swayed by a charismatic tyrant (trump)

>>717429213
no one said they shouldn't have a say, it's that they don't get to have more of a say than people in the city

>>717429359
It's the state's right to have equal say.
You don't want the farmer state to have equal rights? Then fuck off.
I hope your stupid shit cali cracks off and falls into the ocean.

>>717429548
>muh states rights

>>717429548
the way the electorial college works farmer states have more power, which is unfair, also I currently live in Missouri, so fuck you faggot

>>717429548
Loser states don't have rights dummy

How about we weight the votes by how much money they contribute or take from the federal budget

>>717429670
well thats not fair because certain states contribute to the gdp of other states indirectly, such as through providing energy or natural resources

so those states, even though they dont contribute as much to the federal budget, are still very important

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>>717428848
I agree with dirty donnie

NAY

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>>717428934

>>717429780
Sounds like some fag socialism talk

Fuckin commie

>>717429341
>the number of votes a state gets in the electoral college is based upon its population
it isn't.
Alaska for example had a population of 655,435 but got 3 in the 2004 election. so 1 electoral per 218,478 people
take Florida on the other hand, with a population of 17,397,161 they had 27 electoral votes. so 1 electoral vote per 644,339.
New York had a population of 19,227,088 and had 31 electoral votes, so 1 vote per 620226.

So New York is the least represented of the 3 countries despite having the biggest population.

>>717428848
it's fine. politicians have figured out how to game the system and they will no matter what happens.

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>>717429213
every person should have the same say. Which is to say fuck the electoral college

>>717429857
least represented staes you mean

yeah, that's an issue. the founders didn't count on that sort of population differences. it was also a much smaller country back then

>>717428848
My idea:
Keep the senate as-is. Two statewide seats, winner take all.

The house: each party that gets at least 10%gets a member in each congressional district. Let's say, R, D and Green, but in most districts it will be D and R. Each Rep nominated by the party becomes a congressman, but their vote (I.e. Their power) is weighted by the percentage they get in the general election. So, let's say the R gets 60%, the D 30% and the G 10%. All three become congressmen. The benefit of the system is this: for non-political things you can always go to your guy (social security cases, passports, etc) as far as the legislature voting, passing a bill requires building a coalition. Party becomes less important because you have to cobble together a majority based on the reps weighted votes.

Presidency: same thing. Two presidents (or just do away with VP and make the VP the second place electoral vote getter) and their policy strength is weighted.

muh infallible constitution

>>717428848
We need it, as if it wasn't in place the candidate would only need to campaign in states like NY and LA to win.

>>717429955
The sheer amount of retardation in this post is baffling

it's fine but if there's a massive popular vote difference, like this last election, some other thing needs to kick in

it wasn't just california, it's also the handful of states that were very close.

>>717430019
I fail to see the problem, it reorients the race away from pointless swing states to the powerhouses of our economy

>>717429857
well whats it based on then? that seems to be the issue

simply base it off something good

>>717429999
because you can write a better one right? I'm delighted and honored to be within the company of your greatness.

>>717429999
Make fun of the constitution all you want, but even though the US is one of the youngest nations on the planet, the Constitution is currently the longest-existing government charter of all the governments on the planet. Every single other nation has had a RE-write since the US constitution was ratified. So, yeah, suck it.

>>717430101
ikr his shits all fucked up an he's talkin like a fag

>>717430199
this is absolutely true too. hypocrisy is not his worst trait, sadly

>>717430101
He can't get his idea across because he can't write for shit but it's actually an interesting idea

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>>717430237
Lol @ triggered conserviturds

I bet if I said your poop was gross you'd eat it with a smile just to prove me wrong

>>717429597
>>717429661
>>717429670
>triggered
Look, if you don't want the states that you don't live in to have rights, you're free to denounce your citizenship.

>>717429938
yes, least represented state.

Now the system does have some logic. it strengthens low population states like Alaska by making a single Alaskan vote be worth more, which gives more focus to those states and their issues which would be otherwise ignored by the popular vote.

>>717430391
I believe we should change all voting to fit this. Rich people dont get votes anymore and anyone below the poverty line gets two votes

>>717430359
No I'd pin you down with my superior constitution, shit directly into your mouth, wipe my ass with your shirt ns then ask you how it tastes

>>717430391
not sure why they shouldn't be ignored though. until there's more people int hose states, who gives a fuck abuot them really? they're always represented in the sentate anyway and to a lesser degree in the house.

if it's an issue that affects 6 of those small states, they're combined strength will give them power. and if an issue only affects alaska, but not the other less populated states who gives a fuck about them?

>>717428848
Nay. It's just another way for the US to fuck with its own supposed democracy by introducing a literal oligarchy that's only tentatively bound to the will of the people.

>>717430183
the math is complex and I dont understand it myself, but its based on the census the goverment does every 10 years (which isn't an accurate count, but an estimate and an estimate which many claim is faulty and needs to be improved) to decide the population size of each state. then based on some math I dont understand they get assigned seats in the congress/senate. now based on those numbers of seats + 2 is the number of electoral votes you get.

now this +2 is probably the biggest issue because for example Alaska has only 1 seat, so by giving them th flat +2 you essentially triple their power, while for New York with its 29 seats, the flat +2 is a meager 6.89% increase.

but then you get the issue that small states like Alaska will be mostly ignored for it and big states will basically dominate the voting process. you need to protect the minority somehow.

And dont get me started on the the various laws manipulating who can and cant vote and how relatively large minorities like blacks and latinos are essentially banned from voting for even the smallest criminal charges (like drug possession. even if its just pot)

>>717430623
Because then they will be ignored as a minority and you threaten minority rights - which is kind of an important democratic and human rights principle.

>>717430836
Better than mob rule, faggot.

Because that's what we'd have if you were to have your way. The founding fathers knew democracy doesn't work, so they actively tried to prevent it,

>>717430836
You sure are trying hard to sound intellectual, you neckbeard cuck.

>>717428848
The only fair system is one person one vote.

>fixes jerrymandering
>fixes politicials ignoring small town america
>fixes popular candidates losing

We should also have an instant run-off election system to allow third-party candidates a fair shot of winning. And fixed, publicly provided election campaign funding. And moderated debates where each candidate gets the same amount of airtime.

>>717430995
they're not fuckign minorities just because they live in a less populated state, faggot

>>717430381
States shouldn't have rights, individual people should.

>>717430623
>they're always represented in the sentate anyway and to a lesser degree in the house.

This. Smaller states are actually over-represented in congress.

>>717431077
minority doesn't have to be racial/ethic/religious minority. Alaskans are a geographical minority in the the US because there are so few of them compared to the rest of the US. and yes, they do have minority rights, they deserve to be heard and represented like any other. they have their own set of issues which they worry about.

>>717431245
there are literally tens of thousands of minority groups that fit your definition, all of them totally unrepresented in the government.

>>717429817

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDliwn0Xjg

>>717431200
>Smaller states are actually over-represented in congress.
With the same amount of senate members and less house members how exactly are they over represented?

>>717431074
you don't seem to know what gerrymandering actually is. 1 person 1 vote has nothing to do with it.

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>>717431423
yes, it's true there are black retards as well as white ones

>>717431537
why should a tiny state have the same power int he senate as a state like NY?

>>717428848
The only thing I know about Electoral College or Popular Vote, is that we cant try to pick one right after the fucking election.

>>717431592
Because they are a state like any other and deserve an equal voice to help get what they need.

>>717431386
well now you're just entering a debate of what minorities should be and shouldn't be represented in the government - which is a completely different can of worms here that I dont want to get into.

I'll just remark on this minority specifically, since the elections and the entirely country is divided up into states then I think that minor states should have their rights protected in some capacity and measures taken to make sure their voices - and votes- and simply being ignored by the majority.

now I DONT think the current system with the electoral college does that in a good measure, and I admit I dont know what is a good system, but I still believe that small countries should have some protection.

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>>717429787
you forgot this one

>>717431537
For example, let's look at Vermont vs New York.

VT population 626,000
NY population 8,406,000

Vermont has 2 senators and 1 member of congress.
That's one representative for every 208,667 people.

New York has 2 senators and 16 members of congress.
That's one representative for every 467,000 people.

>>717431550

Stay mad friend.

Maybe after trumps 8 years are up and the US sees massive job growth and the middle class becomes a thing again you will see why we needed trump.
Aw who am i kidding. everything good trump dose people like you will give his credit to Obama just like the surge in the stock market.

>>717428848
Let's see
So we go with popular vote, democrats get control, so they put in superdelegates, and all of a sudden no popular vote, so we are even worse off than now. Dems don't trust the voters, only the party elite.

>>717431723
1 senator per 300,000 and one senator per 17,000,000 is not equal

>>717431873

We are the united states of America annon.
Not the Peoples republic of CA, IL and NY.

>>717431915
hey idiot, superdelagtes don't have anything to do with the general election

and political parties are allowed to choose their candidates any way they want to

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>>717431905
>Maybe after trumps 8 years are up

>implying he'll even make 4 years

>sad

>>717431905
yeah like that's going to happen


anyone still believing any of that after his cabinet picks, is really dumb.

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>>717431905
>dose

well I guess that answers this question

>>717428848
Nay. It was originally envisioned so that states would have electoral votes which equaled the number of senators plus representatives, but a ceiling was placed on the number of representatives about a century after the constitution was written, so it's no longer balanced with population size as intended. It's already broken and mutated outside of what the founders put in place, so kill it the rest of the way.

Also, ranked voting.

>>717431905
Then why is it every great recession and depression had a Republicant in the white house. ?

I think there is a bigger issue, why is the elections and the entire country divided into a stupid binary democrat vs. republican system. There are so many issues and there is no way you can vote for those issues with a stupid binary part system. sure theres the "third parties" but they're a joke. the entire system needs an overhaul.

Stop the Republican/Democrat bullshit and start looking at issues on an individual basis.

>>717432063
Well said, friend.

>>717432120

>be up working dat 4x overtime holiday pay overnight
>come home to relax a bit
>be called a retard for grammar

Always good to see people resort to being a grammar nazi to try and make them fell like they are a good person.

>>717431873
And yet 1 vote vs 16 doesn't tip the favor for the small state.

>>717432044
Superdelegates aren't part of the general election YET
And a corrupt system is a corrupt system
Sorry you don't like that system represents states not people. It's the United States of America, not the country of California and New York

>>717428848
>yea or nay
ftfy

>>717432191

Trump ran as a republican. but he is the most 3rd party choice we had for this race.

the republican establishment fucking hates him and is just saving face and playing along for the time being. they will turn on him though.

>>717432341
you only say dumb shit like that because the election turned out the way you wanted it to.

>>717432414
well that might have been believable before his cabinet picks. now you're dumb if you still believe that horse shit

>>717431034
If given the choice between 51% bossing over 49%, or 49% bossing over 51%, you would have to be a literal retard to pick the latter.

The electoral college makes the vote of a fucking hillbilly like three times as valuable as a person from new jersey.

Face it, Hillary won the election. The electoral college is a disgrace, almost every single democratic country in the world follows the popular vote in one way or another, stop pretending that its in any way shape or form a 'good' system.

>>717432314
welcome to /b newfag

>>717432320
not the anon you were replying to buy the 1 vote for the small state is by no means suppose to give it power to fight toe to toe with the big states, it just gives them a little boost if they're trying to form a coalition with other small states to defend themselves against large states, there are far more small states with 1 or 2 votes than states with 10+ votes.

>>717432509
yep, people defending it only because it fits in with the outcome that they want.

>>717432044
If that was true Obama would never have become president in 2008.

>>717432597
both parties decided on popular vote to pick candidates in the early 1970s.

>>717432024
But more people live in the cities, its fucking ridiculous and appealing to emotions to say: "Well LA and New York are just two cities"

Well yes they are, but it is incredibly misleading to phrase it like this. A majority of people live in the cities, it is where most money is made, it is where most achievements are made.

>>717432425
No, I'm in Pennsylvania, my vote mattered this time, usually my vote is cancelled by Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, it's the way the system works, there is no reason the two coast should have control of the election, we are a big country that needs representation for the whole country, I don't know what is best for you and you don't know what is best for me

>>717431386
Yeah but I don't give a shit about them, only my pet bullshit of the week

I don't even pay attention to politics, I only support trump to make people suffer

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>>717432314
how's that walmart overnight stocker job working out for you?

>>717432645
And then the democrats decided they didn't like it and came with a way to overrule the people.

>>717432732
you get representation through congress.

>>717432724
So now it's about GDP not popular votes
Money don't vote kid

>>717432866
yeah except bernie lost by millions of votes and even he agrees it was fair.

>>717432583
Damn right.

I wouldn't have been pissed if Trump won by the popular vote, I'd just be even more fucking fearful than I all ready am. I'm not even from the US, but we're looking at some sort of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact 2.0 with Trump and Putin, and we all know how that shit ended.

The difference is that while the leadership of nazi germany and soviet russia was similar in strength, Trump is going to be the weaker party here.

He is quite literally a threat against mankind.

>>717432890
Gerrymandering, stuck with pittsburgh

>>717432940
>if one senile old man said it then it must be true

>>717432992
that should concern you much more than any president does.

maybe gerrymandering should be done but in way that makes sense

like pittburgh as one or 2 districts and then in a ring around it, farm country or whatever, is another district, etc.

>>717432024

LOL

Yeah, if only prairie dogs could vote.

>>717432063
meanwhile on this shill's mind 1 year ago
>hurrrrr there is no way drumpf can win
prepare your anus son, you are in for a long ride

>>717432063

If he's not impeached, he'll end up having a heart attack.

The stress seems to be getting to him already and he's not even sworn in.

>>717429897
>counting the votes of illegals and dead people

the biggest problem comes into play when there is no corresponding popular vote win. then, like now with trump and like W, there is a strong whiff of illegitimate hanging over the president. it took 9-11 to sort that out for W.

trump is even worse shape with the russia thing hovering.

>>717433330
oh yeah, then i guess you can provide some proof that huh?

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>>717428848
>when hillarytards find out that the people vote in the electors

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>>717433330
amazing how none of those illegals or "dead people" got caught. I guess mexeecans are just too smart for republican poll workers.

>>717433240
Impeached for what? Being a big meanie?

>>717433434

how is this even a face? Put on more makeup Donald, I can almost see some skin under there.

What a fucking faggot.

>>717433122
It all concerns me, I think every state should split their delegates, not a popular vote but better representation of the whole state instead of winner take all. Gerrymandering is corruption of the system but both parties do it, so neither side will fix it, and here is is slow blend of city to rural, I don't know here I would cut lines at.
My brother lives in New Castle, five minutes you from ghetto to Amish horse and buggy

>>717433472
It's not hard to get away with it when the states that encourage it don't try to catch anyone.

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>>717433176
sure kid

>>717433350
All of our institutions, from banks to media to governments and schools are suffering from a long ongoing legitimacy crisis and putting more Homo Sapiens Lupini into positions of power can only deepen the legitimacy crisis so ongoing conflicts blossoming into global nuclear war seems inevitable at this point

>>717433539
then back it up with a source

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>>717430836
Who the fuck ever told you that we're a democracy? we're a motherfucking republic. I hate when people bitch about "this isn't how democracy should work." bitch we're not a democracy and only the morons pretend we are.

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>>717433539
tell that to this retard

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2016/10/28/voter-fraud-suspect-arrested-des-moines/92892042/

>>717433578
a republic is a form of democracy, idiot

>>717433614
yes the only ones i've seen have been trump voters.

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>>717433476

Not following the news? His foundation is corrupt as fuck, he swore he never took a dollar from it and it's under investigation. Turns out he took money from it all the time. He's trying to dissolve the foundation but can't while it's under investigation.

Your sarcasm is cute though. It must be fun being an ignorant teenager that somehow knows everything.

>>717430836
I think you're mistaking a republic for an oligarchy, or you're incorrectly using the word literal. either way you should go back to school because the US is not a democracy and never has been... we're a republic

>>717433578
lmao at this rethuglican talking point. even the ancient republics had democratic institutions at their center

>>717433646
>Records show that 37 percent of Detroit precincts had more votes casts than they had registered voters in the November election. Specifically, that's 248 suspect precincts out of the city's 662 precincts.
Not republican

>>717433735
a republic is still a democracy, idiot

>>717428848

considering that all the voter fraud we've heard of were people of color making fake votes for hillary or the bizarre situation in detroit where 97% reportedly voted for hillary but 37% of their polling stations reported more votes than voters, we still don't have a proper system in place for voting. i wonder if rejects would complain about using a fingerprint reader for each vote.

if we could actually make the popular vote real--WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY--then it might be ok but that might take a decade of testing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzHB423A0qo&t=766s

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>>717433734
I refuse to acknowledge those facts so you're going to have to do better than that

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Popular vote is autistic. Even though Hillary won the popular vote, it wasn't proportionally much compared to the total votes

>>717433823
instead of cut and paste, show me an actual source that says that.

>>717433577
Like what? The fact that states like California only require an id to register to vote and they give those ids to illegals?

>>717433578

we fuck our mothers in a republic?

when i ask that, it's in the voice where he asks them "you're smoking reefers?" in "walk hard".

>>717433877
No problem
http:
www.news-gazette.com/opinion/editorials/2016-12-20/why-more-votes-voters.html

>>717433893
like an actual indication that fraud has taken place. you still can't just walk in and vote, idiot. you must be a foreigner.

>>717433868
>autistic

Opinion discarded

>>717428848
>>717428848
I'm pretty sure he says "big league" regularly not "bigly".

Am I right on this or am I full retard.

>>717433948
it has the word opinion in the link. try again.

>>717429548
>cali cracks off and falls into the ocean.

according to geologists, that actually will happen some day.

>>717433614
Funny how the the only states that care about illegal voting are the non sanctuary states.

>>717433476

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/28/democrats-think-donald-trump-just-violated-the-logan-act-what-is-that/?utm_term=.2229d44b7aad

>>717429548
yes those shit little farmer states should not have more rights with more populace states. why the fuck should they? give me one good reason

>>717433987
http
www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Need more google is full

>>717433967
Sorry, i meant to say mentally damaging to the point of which the system causes symptoms due to the sheer ineffectiveness resembling but not limited to: autism, down syndrome, retardation, and cancer.

>>717433823
>Records show

>>717433948
>www.news-gazette.com/opinion/editorials
>opinion/editorials

nice try kid

>>717434145
We are a collection of states, not a collection of cities

>2017
>still being salty about our high energy president.
ISHYDDT. You lost. It's time to put on your big boy pants and move on.

>>717434183
not more votes than voters, more votes than tabulated by poll workers who came to vote. that's a big difference, fag.

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"I know a lot about hacking and I know things that other people don't know"
-Donald Trump 2016

"I don't trust computers"
-Donald Trump 2017

>>717434276
cities are inside states

>>717434276

and what are states exactly?

>>717428966
Fucking Leftist detected.

>>717434276
And states are largely populated by people in cities.

>>717433390
It's common sense that illegals voted, Stacy.

There's been studies on illegals voting for the last 3 elections.

This election would call out even more as the stakes for illegals have never been this high.

>>717434313
too bad those statements are not mutually exclusivey ou pathetic retarded faggot

>>717434313
If you knew more about hacking you might not trust them either.

>>717434371
"common sense" doesn't equal proof, sorry

>>717433954
But you can just walk in and vote though. All you have to do is give them a name.

>>717434276

That's like saying "our bodies are a collection of organs, not a collection of cells"

just go away. you're wasting everyone's time.

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>>717434183
and again no one was caught. I guess darkies are just too smart for the pollsters too.

>>717434410
that name has to be on the books

>>717434244
then I'll put it in terms your brain can understand: you are memecucked

>>717434430
yep the only people caught were trump voters

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>>717434313

I'd be OK with it had it done its job and rejected a psychopathic demagogue who lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.

>>717434379
>>717434390


trump support mentality detected.

Computers are tools you faggots. You don't "trust" a tool? HAHAHH

That's like saying you don't trust guns.

The tool doesn't do anything without a person making it do something.

I don't trust computers is the most retarded, ignorant, oldman, afraid of techno voodoo bullshit imaginable.

PLEB TIER

>>717429220
>farmers live in urban sites
dafuq?

>>717434285
Na, I don't have to and you can't make me

Go get triggered conserviturd trumpcuck

>>717434432
And all you need to do to get that name on the list is mail a registration form with a drivers license number, which California gives to illegals with no questions asked.

>>717434563
most farming is done by immense agribusinesses whose shareholders are of course urbanites

>>717434622
let's see some proof that this is so easy and that it actually has happened. thanks.

it's not just california. if it wans't such a close race in states like pennsylvania and even texas, trump would have won the popular vote too

>>717434663
? Not even in Texas

the good thing about having essentially 2 election results is we can see when it's a really close race. if both agree then it must be a clear win. when it's not, then it was so close there's no real clear mandate.

regardless of Trump, the electoral college system is fucking retarded

for all the praise they get, the founding fathers set up a really shitty democracy. gerrymandering, no term limits, first past the post, and electoral college lol. why do we praise them

>>717434663
Blue bubble dweller detected

>>717434515
>trusting guns
You shouldn't "trust" a gun. They need to be handled safely to prevent injury. Don't use guns as an analogy if you don't know anything about their use and proper handling or you'll come off as a retard.
You should also take care when using a computer to safeguard yourself as well.
Do you even think before you type? I seriously hope this is bait anon. This level of detachment, cherrypicking, and straw grasping is pathetic.

>>717434822
it was a tiny geographical area when they settled on these rules

>>717434745
Especially in Texas, Texas is very frindly to big business

To find a state with a higher concentration of small producers youd best try Vermont first

>>717434585
You throw out enough buzzwords kiddo?

>>717434707
http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php
Proof that illegals can get licenses.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/where-and-how
The requirements to vote in California.

>>717430237

>bragging about being stubborn

'Murica.

>>717435050
>these drivers licenses may not be used as identification
it says it in YOUR link.

Status quo. Forming an opinion on things that work fine is the cancer that killed leftists.

>>717434822
America has a kind of cult of personality surrounding the individuals that is eerily reminiscent of the way Lenin was treated after his death

>>717435085
better to be stubborn like an ass than docile like a sheep.

>>717435166
>the status quo
>working fine

How can you be this dumb

>>717435241
>implying the entirety of /b/ users that voted for trump aren't docile weebs

Farmers' votes are better for America.

The increased amount of personal space results in political decisions more in favor of personal freedom.

>>717435166
"forming an opinion is the cancer that killed leftists"
a true trump supporter

>>717435026
Everybody I know lives on their ranch or farm,
They might be planting for some big ag company but they are on the farm. I'm sure the profit is counted at an urban center like most manufacturing is realized at the corporate headquarters

>>717435290
Sorry, is not hating America wrongthink now?

>>717435413
>if you criticize something in any capacity you hate it
the constitution is trash, that's why there's so many amendments

>>717435343
bet you they start getting seized by Goldman Sachs with trump in office

When they work together to raise the loan rates and lower the agri rates I've seen it happen a lot

>>717435050
so you're telling me that california does nothing to check voter registration? then you're also claiming felons can vote too?

you're so dumb it's painful

>>717428848
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xNTF86JZN8


XD

>>717435343
"everybody i know"

the stupidity of a trump supporter

>>717435589
You're right. We should start by getting rid of the 13th, 15th, 19th, and 26th amendments and see if things get better first.

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>>717428966
I'm for it because one giant politically charged crime infested city should not hold the same influence as an entire different state bc the welfare population has boomed in the ghettos of the city and they want more dem.
If we had to get rid of one, 1) one nasty murderous, crime/drug cultured, liberal, rainbow parade, polluted, welfare run california slum[L.A.] or 2) a state where all a disproportionately high amount of food is produced [breadbasket of the world]through industry and where real american businessmen and earners come from?
????

>>717435679
What you want me talk about somebody I don't know, oh that's a liberal policy, fuckin idiot

>>717428848
Mostly for. Might change my mind if California left the union.

>every admin would look like the city council of SF without it.

>>717435852
you're never going to have even an ounce of authority over anyone

chew on that

>>717435679
I guess you only accept anecdotal evidence that starts with "I feel/felt" or something similar.

>>717428848
Standardized voting in all states
>no hanging chads or diebold machines
No electorial college
>outdated and biased
Voter ID required
>No voter supression. Easy to get

>>717428848
outdated

>>717428848

As long as it continues to keep scumocraps out of the White House I'm all in favor of it!

The constitution has already been amended to reflect something closer to a popular vote in the presidential election; the original stipulation was that the Senate elected the president, which gave an equal voice to each state, due to the fact that the nation was composed of states, not of people.

With the revision to weight the states based upon population, we introduced the current system, balancing the two extremes; neither winning the most votes, nor the most states, will secure a victory.

The problem with pointing to the popular vote margin that Hillary secured is that we're debating the rules after the game has been played. Her margin was nearly all from California, a state so heavily "blue" that most Republican voters don't even vote anymore in presidential elections, and no GOP nominee seriously campaigns there. To speculate that the popular vote count would have been the same if the presidency were dependent upon popular vote is like arguing that an NFL team should have won the super bowl because they gained more yards, despite the fact that they scored fewer points. Discuss it all day, but both teams will play differently if the rules are different.

It's sad that 95% of people who voice an opinion are coming from the "Trump won, so the EC worked just as it should" or "Hillary lost, so let's get rid of the EC" and neither side seems to understand why we have it or how things would change if we didn't. From that perspective, the efforts of both parties to "dumb down" America to a pool of low-information voters has been wildly successful.

>>717435935
i want you to understand that personal anecdotes, the half dozen people you know, doesn't mean shit.

>>717435965
Thought that would upset your delicate disposition.
According to the votes YOU certainly won't have any authority for a while. Hope you enjoyed the ride while it lasted, we've got it from here pedro.

>>717435946
SF is now the economic Capitol of the world. You just sound like flyover trash who is too bigoted to let his country progress.

>>717435978
no, just facts and real data, you dumb faggot

personal anecdotes don't mean shit

>>717436141
Anon, you need to "listen and believe".

>>717436109
You're saying the city council and politicians in that city wrote all that code?

>>717436058
>Her margin was nearly all from California

no, it wouldn't have meant shit, cali's numbers, unless many of the other states weren't so close. trump won by less than 1% in Pa for example.

>>717436101
Haha whatever you're not nearly wealthy enough to be a part of "them", you're more akin to the sheep wandering around a Warcraft level

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>>717429341
You have fallen for what the liberal media told you
>>tyrant
No. Just no. Please research the electoral college. It keeps a few large overpopulated cities from controlling too much of the other are

>>717436220
sure kid whatever you say

>>717436259
I notice you didn't try to discredit what I said. I'm glad you've realized your place. Now you can can move on.

>>717436312
please, research outside of breitbart and fox news

electoral college and jerrymandering are residues of the past and should be eliminated

the majority should decide for the majority

>>717436410
na, we'll be back. just look at the 20th century, we're right on track for a second new deal in 2036

>>717436490
You've had this position how long? Oh yeah, since the last election results.
You are not so smart, just opinionated.

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>>717436490
donald agrees with you

>>717436598
Maybe, but by then you'll have a career, family, and a Republican vote. That or you'll have killed yourself. Either way I'll be fine.

The assumption bringing about this debate is the outcome of the election would be different without the ec. It's possible but consider how campaigns would change their strategy.

With the ec, the campaigns focus on a small number of bg states, making sure their supporters vote there as well as attempts to sway independents.

Without the ec, the campaigns only goal should be to make sure they're supporters vote and they would be having to spend a lot more money all over the country instead of a few select areas to pull this off.

Now combine that with states like Ca or TX which are very much in the column for a particular party. Voters supporting the opposite party in those states get a little lazy because their vote won't change anything. However, without the ec, the election is on the line as their vote matters.

More republicans would vote in blue states, more dems would vote in red states.

All I'm saying is the assertion that Clinton would've won without ec is far from a certainty and I'm not sure i like how campaigns would function or the funds they would require in the absense of EC.

>>717428934

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AziOYoN3BkU&t=42s

>>717436785
Nope

>>717428848
nay. but it's got nothing to do with this election. have hated it for nearly 20 years

>>717437060
You're right. Faggots don't usually have families. But they do like to off themselves don't they? Later hater.

>>717437156
whatever kid, don't cut yourself on that edge

>>717428848
Yay.. it's the only option. Worked for all parties and equality of states. Pop vote gives too much control to large population states. Has no place in a republic.

>>717436246
I --think-- I follow your point, but I'm not certain, since you didn't make one.

I believe you're saying that if every state gave EC votes proportionally that the EC would have reflected the popular vote more closely, or something to that effect.

Which is in the same category as "water is wet."

Please read, and try to comprehend, the remainder of my post. To argue that the candidates' strategies, or the voters' turnout would have been the same if there were a different set of guidelines for the election is a waste of time. The EC, in its current state, balances the federal nature of our government with an unbalanced distribution of population, and is quite effective in mitigating both "mob rule" and an over-represented minority. There are parts of both still at work, but neither "wins" the day.

>>717428848
The electoral college wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't completely arbitrary.

There should be a mathematical formula or something that decides the number of electoral votes a state gets fairly.

>>717437486
i'm saying that if it wasn't close, california's numbers wouldn't matter. if trump had a clear victory, it would be irrelevant. that's how the electoral college is supposed to work

but when it's close, there's a slim win and no popular vote win, that means most people don't want it, all across the country.

>>717428848
It's "yea" or "nay" you cunt.

>>717437767
/thread

>>717436627
would you look at that, you're wrong again

>>717428848
Well seeing as trump won only because of the electoral collage i would say nay as it failed to do one of the main things it was invented to do. stop the back water rednecks from electing a retard into the white house. Plus its 2017 we dont need an electoral collage

>>717435999
praise kek

The pop vote would make things too volatile. The EC keeps the mob from changing too much at once. I suspect Obama will be viewed as an exception to this rule through the lens of history 100 years from now. Trump actually seems to be rolling things back to before Obama, nothing more. But truely, it's too soon to tell.

The constitution is hard to amend for a reason. We can't let microchasms in politics be an excuse to overturn something that has a pretty good track record since the 18th century.

Yæ.

>>717436853
Pretty much this faggots.

>>717428848
The electoral college has only swung the election 5 times, 3 of which were before 1900.

The 2 most recent instances show it's effect... a Republican winning with fewer votes, which is all that CAN happen when less populated (read: RED) states have more voting power than they should.

>>717429150
That is only true if the system remains as is with evereything being devided into districts. Why remove the electoral collage just to leave the system exactly the same?
If they made it a true vote where who ever gets the most votes in aggregate wins the election this would not be an issue.
Also a few states already dictate the elections they are called swing states they decide who is going to be preident every year.

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>Calfonia-fags want an easy life?
Have it, here, but your vote will be less than the one of someone from the midwest.

It always seems clear to me Trump is saying "big league" and "bigly" is just faggots being gay.

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>>717429150
I love when people say shit like this, you're implying that everyone in NY or Cali votes for only one party, when we have Republicans in blue states and Democrats in red states. yeah they're out voted but with the winner take all systems not everyone's vote counts. Basically getting rid of the electoral college removes the boundary of voting by state and every single vote has weight to it

Interestingly, the only times in recent history where the ec had selected a candidate in second place on the popular vote (2000 and 2016) have been cases where neither candidate got 50+% of the vote. So a candidate might have received a plurality of vote but certainly not the majority.

You could say that this most recent election was undecided concerning the popular vote and the electoral college made the decision. You cannot say the majority of voters wanted Clinton.

Id say if you can't convince 50.01% to vote for you, there's something wrong and either an election with new candidates is needed or another system such as an electoral college should pick the winner.

Perhaps the ec should be a little more free to use discretion when no candate has topped 50%. Maybe we would end up with a better person than clinton or trump as it speaks volumes that neither one could top 50.

>>717428966
Without it the us is governed by people who live a in a bubble like NYC and LA. I live in NYC and city people are fucking retarded. Let's face it, your average human is pretty retarded but at least rural opinions are based in reality.

>>717438884
No he definitely said bigly..

>>717428848
>but muh 98.9% chance to win
the media has shown that since trump announced his bid that they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. every day it was "trump isn't going to win" "trump has no chance" "trump is orange" instead of talking about policies he wanted, policies he'd change/remove, or laws he wanted passed/removed. nah, lets talk about those fake sexual assault charges.

>>717429341
Awe it's retarded

>>717439636
when they asked trump about how he would achieve what he was promising, all he could answer was "you'll see,, it will be great, tremendous", how could they write about policies?

I know it sucks having to admit being conned, but boy how delusional can you get

>>717439441
except they aren't

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>>717429150
>you vote be worth next to nothing
You seem confused. Every vote would count the exact same. There are lots of conservatives in CA and NY, just like there are lots of liberals in TX and GA. Currently, those people I just mentioned... their vote is worthless. No electoral college means their vote counts for something.

>>717428934
Cool, it looks like him.

>>717428848
nay.
the argument that it wouldnt be distributed is stupid because instead of big cities getting the say its random states that are indecisive of what party they like that have the most valuable votes

>>717429119
you understand nothing
>Trunp changed this so no one who voted for him has beliefs
>Trump supporters ignore facts, they are unique
EVERYONE ignores facts, including you

>>717432063
>low energy
Have you ever seen someone removing obstacles on a golf course while standing? At least he didn't pass out while trying to get in his car

>>717430589
No, you are retarded.
>waaa the rich people ruin everything

>>717428848
1 citizen = 1 vote

People should vote, not states. Your vote should be a line to fill out on your taxes.

>>717434408
>phew, for a secod there i was worried i would have to acknowledge how obvious his statement was, but luckily i found an out.
He mentioned studies, and you surely don't believe that illegals don't vote.

>>717440223
>cast ur ballot when u pay your taxes
o fuk here we go

>>717430344
>2 presidents
>not retarded

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>>717440301
>dat double negatory

wait so I do believe that illegals don't vote?
since when is personal belief in something what makes it true or not? Oh yeah, religion, the conserving of human ignorance, and right-wing republicanism.

lol
@
u

>>717440301
i do not believe illegals vote. what makes you so sure they do in the absence of any proof whatsoever?

>>717429150
boo hoo. being the minority opinion doesnt depend on location fuckwad, thats why its called the minority.

hows it feel to be a minority?

>>717428848
Nay. They aren't legally bound to vote with the area they are assigned so it's 270 people assigned by the state to vote for you.

>>717428848
Yay

>>717429341
Seriously guys just google what the founding fathers thought about democracy. You will learn more then debating this back and forth like fucking autists. We have the electoral college so that a candidate has to win over ALL of America, not just the major cities. Without it we wouldn't not be a nation of sovereign states and small states would have zero reason to be apart of the US as they will be totally unrepresented

>>717440461
this is retarded. the top line presents a false premise. there are R's and D's everywhere, dumbass.

>>717441124
That's not what the EC was for, it was because the founding fathers though the public was to stupid to vote and needed a backup plan in case they vote a moron into office. Not sure why someone would like a system that calls you stupid

>>717441006
>270 people
>Being this retarded

>>717441124
you're talking about a time when the US was tiny compared to what it is now and it took days to cross states and cities were hardly what you'd think of as cities. times have changed.

>>717441366
270 people decide the electoral college votes so that's all you need to count

>>717441124
>a candidate has to win over ALL of America

Meanwhile, only around 6 swing states decide our elections and the candidates IGNORE the other 40+. It's 2017, not 1776.

>>717441308
The founding fathers respected the work and wisdom of classical philosophers, therefore they put a federal system in place, knowing that ultimately democracy = mob rule.

But I'm sure that you're more understanding of human nature and the mechanics of government than Aristotle.