listen dude, you think the earth is flat because life isn't going well. Something really bad happened to you didn't it? Theories like this comfort you so you cling to the narrative that everything is a lie and nothing is real. I could give you a million reasons why the earth is obviously round but you'll listen to none of them because you just don't care what reality is, you care about tricking your brain into feeling like you're in a crazy scifi movie where we're all under a huge dome. it's okay man we're all friends, it'll get better.
>>717395526 the farther you go on the wall, the darker and colder it gets. Even without the Illuminati preventing you from reaching the wall, if you reached it and scaled it, you would freeze to death very rapidly. No one can reach the other side of the wall.
>>717395328 believe me it's not about that, conspiracy theorists are just trying to get out of pain, I mean there are real delusional people but most likely the person is just really unhappy and this gives them an identity and cause, it's like discovering aliens exist or something, you get to focus on this fantastic narrative instead of the fact that you're unhappy or you lost loved ones. You shouldn't be a dick to them because it just reinforces it.
>>717395462 Here we come to the true purpose of this thread: OP is a beta shitlord and wants to get revenge on some chad for fucking his perfect princess by directing a bunch of trollable but otherwise sane people to fuck with a facebook account.
>>717395768 >>717395789 This is not scientific debate. This is psychological warfare tactics that you are using right now, attacking a person's character and sanity rather than addressing the SUBSTANCE of a person's arguments. And thus, you have already lost the debate.
>>717395768 most conspiracy theories only exist because because the information that would debunk or disprove them isn't in a collective or accessible form!
half of the conspiracy theories would give up and go home if they were given the CORRECT UPDATED evidence of what happened,
what generally happens in todays media, is you go through 10-15 filters before you see the work, so nothing is of the original, so you have to interperate the information and when you get crack shot shoes like info wars, then you get people thinking in a certain conspiracy way. Which can be good in certain circumstances.
>>717395920 It doesn't matter to me if you think that the earth is flat. It makes my life easier when people like you are stupid enough to buy into shit like that. I make a good deal of money selling "alternative medicine" to niggers like you who desperately want to believe absurd things because it makes you feel special.
I watched a live youtube stream of a group-chat between a group of flat-earthers a few months ago. I asked them what the deal was with all of the photos of earth, the moon, other planets, etc. They said they were all fake. Simple as that.
>>717395920 because there is no substance to what you're saying. The reason different maps are different sizes is because translating a sphere to a flat surface is actually really fucking difficult. The reason the earth isn't flat is because literally nothing we do or observe supports it, nothing, literally nothing. You don't believe scientists have ever done real science so why would I give you examples like you're thinking critically. If you go to the top of the Burj Dubai the sun literally sets 2 minutes later than at the bottom, because it's Muslim and they fast until sunset the restaurant at the top serves dinner later than the one at the bottom, literally because the earth is a globe. It doesn't matter though because you won't listen. You need to try meds or therapy I'm not even being an asshole, this isn't going to help you it's just living a lie.
>>717396303 Fuck off Gojira Jr, the anti-kaiju alliance is money well spent and no amount of false flagging on /b/ will stop us from developing the super robots that will save us from your monster tyrant father.
>>717396303 because it's a real community of people who actually believe this? science and reason should be disseminated and preserved, you should try to help people think critically not call them hopeless
>>717396164 Don't you get it? Every other planet in our solar system is completely flat as well, they all somehow just so happen to ALL be facing towards us so that when we see them in our telescopes, they appear circular, when in reality they're flat but just facing us.
>>717396221 "Illuminati" It was most likely disbanded, even if it's still around today it must only have a small number of members. With an organization as big as people like you say it is, there would have to be at least one person with proof of them being around. If something like that were proven, a lot of people would make sure everyone knew about it.
>>717396423 That is hard work though. I don't need a degree or even a lab to do what I do. I have literally nothing but a label printer, a reserve of distilled water, and a website. Free 500% markup because of people as retarded as OP is pretending to be.
More and more people who aren't a part of the scientific community are having access to space flight just for shits and giggles. It seriously won't be long before regular folks get to see with their own eyes that the earth is, in fact, a sphere.
>>717396884 if you think about it information technology has kind of taken any type of shadow government's power away, they can't control media anymore and lose even more control every year, the top 1% are becoming less and less relevant because energy is becoming decentralized, they will lose their power completely if they ever had it at all
>>717396726 No, you should take advantage of losers like that. If they aren't capable of arriving at obvious truth despite overwhelming evidence you will never be able to save or enlighten them: they have emotional reasons for their stupid beliefs that cannot be cured by a greater abundance of truth.
Simply extract the wealth from their lives and allow them to rot while rational normal people prosper.
The thing that I think is funniest about the flat earth movement is how they try to justify it. I've seen many videos and discussions where proponents assert that at its core, science is based on observation. And that they are conducting "experiments", observing the results, and drawing conclusions from that. However, they choose to ignore that the exact same thing has been happening for thousands of years to contend that the earth is a spheroid.
>>717397112 dude you can't argue with irrational thinking, whatever you send him as proof will just reinforce the delusion that it's a conspiracy. A good delusion has ways of protecting itself, just like religion
>>717397344 uh duh because if we knew we were literally put under a dome by aliens we would work together to break out, I've actually watched hours of flat earth documentaries and it's actually a really compelling and creative narrative. I want a flat earth movie with Nicky cage
You guys are debating and arguing in vain. You cannot disprove a conspiracy. As any information that disproves the conspiracy, is 'just in on it' while any tiny information that correlates with the conspiracy automatically confirms it. It's truly saddening that people are losing their scientific skepticism and just listening to some 45 minute documentary on YouTube by a guy with a GED.
>>717397116 Exactly, that's why it wouldn't be very likely for there to be a shadow government in the first place. However the top 1% isn't going anywhere, they made sure of that through lobbying and bribery. Big corporations like BP are the closest thing to a shadow government, even then, they don't have much control.
>>717398019 oil companies are beyond fucked, they're middle men for solar energy if you think about it, fossil fuel is just condensed solar energy, we're surpassing it with solar tech and in 10 years gas won't be worth dick, they can't suppress the technology anymore. they're already starting to cut production and cut prices to stay competitive, fuck OPEC
>>717397395 Yes, they are sick. They are sick because they reject obvious truth so that they can feel special about their beliefs, but in a totally safe way that doesn't require them to actually change their lifestyle or do anything differently.
In other words, they are edgelords who, even if they are sincere in their opinions, are worthless people with no intellectual integrity or moral fortitude.
It is no more your responsibility to teach these people the right way to think than it is your responsibility to teach Pomeranians to speak French.
>>717397918 You might not be able to disprove something without having evidence, however the next best thing is illuminate it's unlikely hood through thought and context. Nobody should just believe what they hear, however nobody should deny what they heard because they never experienced it themselves. It's almost like saying that death isn't real because you've never died: It's a flawed logic.
Here's the deal: there are two types of Flat Earthers: trolls, and literal Bible interpreters. Somewhat surprisingly, we usually encounter the latter on 4Chan. There are a few passages in the Bible that are inacurately translated into English with an implication the Earth may be disk-like, or even square. This interpretation is then presented as gospel by the ministry. There must be no explanation or evidence to the contrary allowed, or the ministry will be proven to have a fundamental flaw.
The first confusion here is that the flat-Earth religious zealots put the onus on *you* to prove the current description of the Earth as "round". That's not really necessary, because evidence and explanations are available in schools, libraries, museums, from astronomers amateur and professional, on the web, dumb old TV amd more. They have no interest in knowledge. They're here to lull those as stupid as they are into believing the same crap they do.
They have the freedom to make shit up because truth and understanding are not their goals. They believe their arguments are clever, because they themselves don't think. By disavowing any science put forward and continuously prevaricating, they can argue forever by simply accusing you of being wrong, and still be perfectly happy that theirs is God's work. They may project onto you the moniker "sheeple" as they sarcastically try to prevent your explanation from marring their fractured perception of the universe. They will not acknowledge irrefutable counterarguments, but rather simply go silent. They bear false witness, do not recognize that they behave as agents of the devil with lies and confusion, conceal truth, and are missing out on the beauty and wonder of God's creation.
Simply, there is no arguing. It's like trying to paint over mud. You just end up with a dirty brush.
inb4 "Ad hominem" Everything in here is factual. Be patient, it will come out in this thread if it lasts, and is restarted a couple of times per day.
>>717393868 Ok, I'd be willing to concede that the earth is flat but only if you guys take off the foil hats for a moment and acknowledge that Godzilla is also a real thing and more of a menace to us than any "secret cabal" controlling stuff or whatever they are trying to hide.
also here's some video proof of his existence and the threat he poses.
>>717398779 plants absorb solar energy to make sugar and reproduce, animals eat the plants to make sugars to reproduce, all of that dies and their biomass, made of solar energy, is then condensed into rock. It's solar energy stored as fuel man, just really old solar energy. Use your brain
>>717393868 i just have one question, why? why would governments, companies, and scientific institutions pay so much fucking money, so much fucking time, making everyone believe the earth is a ball? there's no reasoning behind it, and not to mention all the fucking possible leaks from o many people trying to convince you of this.
>>717399659 like imagine a prison, we're all in the prison but you can still rule the prison, so the governments know the earth is flat and we're trapped but they want to rule what there is to rule. I'm explaining what they believe, not a flat earther
>>717399061 I agree when it comes to children, young folks, and adults who are trying their best despite a bad upbringing.
The problem is that anyone over the age of 18 that honestly subscribes to FE (and let's not kid ourselves, OP is obviously trolling) has already seen all the facts and has consciously decided to reject them because it makes them feel better.
Do they deserve better? Sure, we all do, but there's only so much good to go around, and better me than them.
>>717399891 You aren't the brightest bulb are you? It's ok, why don't you run along and play with your crayons before bed champ? In the morning after you've had your juice, go ahead and have a nice long read about the topic at hand. When you're finished with that, take a nap...I'm sure you'll be a bit cranky, it'll be a big day for you sport.
Not OP, but /b/. A lie repeated 1000 times becomes a seeming truth. But it's still a technical lie. What if this entire time, the entire mainstream science community was brainwashing humanity into believing a myth?
All these fucktards asking "oo whats on the other side of earth11??!1?" Guess what.
It's an antimatter reflection, completely identical to the one that we exist in. Thus, essentially, there is a "wall" separating us, one that has one universe above it, and an anti-matter clone of it below. The entire universe is thus an inside-out copy of itself.
>>717400608 Science, chemistry, physics etc etc...just because you want something to be true and you try and use pseudo-intellectual ranting to make your "point" doesn't make it so, do yourself a huge favor and actually try and learn about what your talking about before you make a complete fool out of yourself to a real world person.
>>717400171 Oh wow - name-calling. My bad - you're probably still a child (and don't belong on /b/). When you grow up, you'll either figure it out or remain stupid. Either way, not my problem: it's yours.
>>717396164 I think they believe that earth doesn't have gravity and all of the other planets do. You stay on the earth because its constantly accelerating somehow at exactly a constant rate that would the same as gravity if such a thing existed.
>>717400328 It's not only unlikely a conspiracy, there's gobs and gobs of proof and everyday living that requires a round model. Calling it conspiracy, shill, CGI, etc., does nothing to change the fact that a swath of our society simply wouldn't function under a flat earth model. Arguing is just a waste of time. If you want to be absurd, go ahead, but calling folks names is not going to change how the universe works,. It won't change to suit your refusal to think.
>>717401753 No, not above, more like, I guess you could say a mirror.
Alice in Wonderland of sorts.
It's a literal reflection off of the bottom of our universe.
Imagine taking two cars and stacking them with their wheels towards each other. Kind of like that.
>>717401720 That's the thing, it's not the only explanation, but it's pretty reasonable, considering the fact that essentially what many consider "going to space", is actually the observation of the reflected universe.
>>717402376 You realize of course, that the massive amount of Shit Made Up in that video would take more effort to refute, point by point, than is worth any of our time to edit? I know - "oh, that's because you don't have an answer." No, it's because the idea of a flat Earth is *your* problem. You're the idiot who *wants* to believe what you're being told. We *know* what we see because there are explanations. You don't have that. You just come up with more absurd shit. Okay - enjoy!
>>717402376 "In the ball-Earth model Antarctica is an ice continent which covers the bottom of the ball from 78 degrees South latitude to 90 and is therefore not more than 12,000 miles in circumference. Many early explorers including Captian Cook and James Clark Ross, however, in attempting Antarctic circumnavigation took 3 to 4 years and clocked 50-60,000 miles around. The British ship Challenger also made an indirect but complete circumnavigation of Antarctica traversing 69,000 miles. This is entirely inconsistent with the ball model."
>>717402692 >>717402238 So, adding on to that, then instead of a nucleus mass of 200,862*10^-28g and an electron mass of 54.66*10^-28g you would have a nucleus mass of 100,554.66*10^-28g and a proton mass of 100,362*10^-28g.
The gravitational difference in particle space would make it impossible to stay maintained in structure, considering protons are 1000x heavier than electrons.
>>717403127 it's kinda like what trump does, you just keep talking shit forever and people can't logically keep up so it fatigues them in a technical knockout, our job is to build endurance to illogical thought
>>717393868 use that map to navigate from south africa to Asia. protip you cant. that map, like all flat maps, is what is called a "projection" and it sacrifices some qualities in order to show the world as flat.
hey OP, listen and respond to my simple question, answer it with logic and don't talk about my character. If the earth is flat then why can't I see everything above see level in all directions? I should be able to see all the mountains on earth, all the buildings, I could use a telescope and look at the eiffel tower or Mt fuji or the burj dubai or anything taller than what I'm around, it should all be there in the horizon. please explain
>>717404108 It works for some of the weaker, lighter elements, then you have issues at around Cobalt, in which case, they've done experimental parity and have shown that "Anti-cobalt" does not "always" work the same as Cobalt.
>>717399130 Not the Bible, the Torah. Get your facts straight you pseud. Just because you cling to the horse manure they taught you in school, doesn't mean that it's accurate or conducive to the truth, whatever the truth may be. Schools are meant to usher the next generation into the working social economy, not to stir the pot. You thinking you're smart for understanding pop-science, but it isn't really smart at all. We were all taught simple geology in elementary school, so it's not the question. The question that's being asked, is whether there is a logical and reasonable explanation to the flat earth theory that isn't some inclusive angry diatribe about why people who propose it are either trolls are Bible thumpers.
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