im going to be getting my carry permit with my work bonuses,

>>717020973
Desert Eagle

>>717020973
Fucking yourself in the ass with the barrel while it's loaded and the safety off.

>>717020973
Word of advice, full metal guns will rust if you carry them and it's hot outside, get a striker fired polymer/stainless gun.

>>717021069
that would be awesome, its just out of my price range and is just too large to practically carry. because if i go desert eagle id get the .50

/k/ will be better at giving you options, stick with compact polymers.

>>717021205
even with open carry?

I don't recommend getting a 1911, but if you have the money to buy a good one, money to buy tons of ammo to practice with (9mm is cheaper by a lot), wear relatively baggy clothes (to conceal such a large gun)... then go for it. Just train. Take courses. The more knowledgeable opinions and time firing the gun (correctly), the better. Check out the Glock 36, XDS, and MP45c.

Also, consider single stack CCW 9mms. Easier to conceal, cheaper to train with. MP Shield, XDS, Glock 43, Ruger LC9, SIG P938... so on.

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>>717020973
Sig P220. Same or greater capacity (8+1), more accurate, more reliable, easier to operate and maintain.

They can be had for $500-650 as "certified pre-owned," which are law enforcement trade ins that the factory inspects, overhauls, and warranties for 1 year. Look for the red hospital style bracelet on the grip. One of the best deals in the gun market.

>>717020973
A 1911 is too big of a gun for concealed carry.

>>717020973
dont carry a 1911 you retard

>>717021526
i want more stopping power than a 9mm, so im leaning towards .45. in my state i can open carry so concealment is not a major issue.

>>717021567
i can get a new 1911 in the same price range with same capacity

>>717021592
in wisconsin you dont have to conceal it

>>717021567
Also, this is the best way to acquire West German made 220s. I have over 3000 rounds through mine, including a variety of hollow points and a whole case of Wolf, without 1 malfunction of any kind ever.

>>717021710
>>>717021526
>i want more stopping power than a 9mm, so im leaning towards .45. in my state i can open carry so concealment is not a major issue.

You're a fucking retard. Old wives tale that a 45acp has more stopping power than a 9.

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>>717021526
i just picked up a M&P Shield .40 for under 500 bucks yesterday, its a great gun to conceal no matter what you body type. 7+1 of hollow points and you can't go wrong

I conceal carry a Glock 27 (.40 s&w) during the winter and a Glock 43 (9mm) during the spring/summer/fall. The 27 is too bulky for summer clothes in Florida, hence the much slimmer 43 during the hot months.

I have shot thousands of rounds through both without a single gun-caused malfunction. 1911s are finicky with ammunition and even high quality ones will occasionally choke on anything but brass ball ammo (i own a 1911 and enjoy shooting it but wouldn't trust my life with it)

>>717021788
It'd be a lower quality gun. 1911s are a meme. They're good guns, but they're surpassed by many, many modern designs. Like anon said above, polymer single stack 9s are superior carry guns.

can't help you without stating the purpose of the weapon.

you mentioned carry, but I'm not gonna assume.

OP, I'm 29, got my CPL when I was 21. I started out with a bersa (horrible) next was a PT92 Taurus stainless 9mm (great gun, but sold) and now I have a Glock 19 Gen 4 9mm, and I will keep this forever.

>>717020973
I concealed carry a 1911 and its a big gun to walk around with. I'm okay with walking around with 3 pounds of steal in my belt but most people find it uncomfortable.

>>717021710
with that thinking your first gun should be a .22 you fucking retard

>>717021710
Stopping power is a myth, as far as how people use it. You have a pistol. None of them have stopping power until 357mag. You have to be able to hit a moving target, multiple times, enough to incapacitate them.

Modern hollowpoint technology from Speer Golddots, Federal HST, Winchester Ranger XT... they all expand to .7inch. And you have more of them when compared to similar sized .45acp guns.

The truth is, handgun rounds aren't meant to have "stopping power". Get a rifle or shotgun for "stopping power".

Having the option to conceal is important. You're call on open carry, be sure to buy a Safariland, Blackhawk, or Bladetech holster that's level III-ish to have that extra protection from gun grabs.

>>717022138
my purpose is for home and self defense.

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This will likely elicit some howls:

Let me suggest a Kel Tec P-11

9 mm, polymer frame, 10 + 1 capacity, very reliable. Will kill any nigger assailant.

Won't break the bank.

>>717022308

Get a dedicated carry handgun for carry and a full size handgun for home defense. Or buy a shotgun or even a carbine for home defense depending on where you live.

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>>717020973
For a 1911, go Auto Ordnance.

For another gun, go Steyr.

>>717022312
Solid suggestion. Same with Versa Thunder .380s; not flashy, not expensive, just simple guns that do the job.

>>717022631
>Versa
Bersa?

>>717022520
i live in a small apartment, so a handgun would be better, a long gun would be impractical i feel. i can see most of my apartment from my bedroom

>>717021710
You're showing your complete absense of experience with firearms here. .45ACP is a massive round and completely overkill for carrying. Carrying 9mm will give you more ammo, which you will do you more good in a real life scenario. You're not Rick Grimes, this isn't the walking dead, you will NOT be getting headshots 90% of the time. If you want a large caliber go ahead and get one to keep at home and shoot at the range. No reason not to have multiple guns. But for CARRYING, get a 9mm. You'll thank us later.

This guy nailed it perfectly>>717021526

>>717022312
This is entering pocket-pistol territory. I have no problem with it, and have one myself for when I'm wearing gym shorts and my larger guns would pull my pants down.

However, the downside to these pocketguns is training with them. They are meant for shots taken from less than 10 feet. And they HURT your hand to shoot them. Adrenaline pumping, no problem. Practicing at the range... it won't be fun to shoot.

That's why the CCW polymer gun industry has skyrocketed in the last 10 years. Something you can get a full grip on that can be easily concealed.

>>717020973
If this is your first handgun, don't go on looks alone, 1911s are not the most beginner friendly handgun, unless you've shot them before. Most people either start with a revolver or a striker fired pistol like a glock or S&W sd9. 1911's need a lot of tender loving care when you field strip them and you better make damn sure your spring and firing pin are in tip top shape before you dry fire it.

>>717022531
i was leaning towards remington

>>717022903
No. Remington sucks

>>717022790
the head is too small a target, center of mass is where to aim.

>>717020973

A full sized 1911 is a terrible CCW choice. Your first gun should be a Glock 19. Highly reliable, high capacity, compact enough for CCW.

>>717022903
Springfield Armory, SIG Sauer, Colt, Kimber, Para Ordnance... Those are you options if you're life is on the line.

>>717022882
ive fired revolvers, a bunch of different 9's, .40s and a 1911. the 1911 felt the best in my hands and it was my most accurate results

>>717022788

In that case you are probably correct in your assessment. A full-sized handgun like a Glock 17 or 19, both of which can accept extended magazines, would be excellent choices. Or... A pistol-caliber carbine. :)

You guys like your fucking guns.

1911s are fun range guns but not good for cc

>>717023272
springfield and colt are others im considering

>>717023272
Springfield, no
Sig, maybe
Kimber, god no
Para, no experience

Auto Ordnance is best

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>>717021710
FBI just released their "study" showing there isn't much difference between .9mm, .40 S&W, and .45. and actually 127 grain .9mm penetrated the furthest with an almost equal cavity created in ballistic gel as a .45 JHP.

>>717023198
i probably wont conceal tho

>>717023355

Damn right. Also nice dub dubs

>>717023287
Comfort and accuracy are important... but so is quality, cost, and concealability

If you like the 1911, you like a high bore axis. Consider the Springfield XDS, XD/m 9 subcompact, and SIG 220 (used), SIG 938, and used HKs.

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>>717022312
>Not suggesting THE gun

>>717023287
nice, then go for it, just know you have to treat them with more care than other guns.

Mateba Autorevolver in .454 Casull.

>>717023593

Kek

>>717020973
1911 is four king huge for CC and I think the safety system is nearly suicidal. Go with a compact 9mm or a 4" .357

>>717022882
This. It's probably one of my favorite things about it. Breaking it down every 100 rounds, scrubbing it out, it has never misfires or jammed and I've had it for years. May need to replace the ejector at some point though

>>717022755
Yeah, autocorrect.

>>717023272
>Kimber
They've had some bad times. I'd be careful with them. Not bad, but nowhere near worth the premium price. I'd buy a Rock Island before a Kimber, just because the bang for the buck would be there.

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>>717022631
I have a Bersa Firestorm .380 auto. Nearly identical to the Thunder. Very similar to the Walther PPK. I'm happy with its. Ammo is a little pricey.

>>717023592
they do make compact 1911's for easier concealment

>>717020973
here's my experience after 12 years of concealed carry. you're going to need at least two handguns. the 1911 is fine for winter, when you can hide it under a coat. but keep in mind it's only an 8 round gun and it's S/A, so you will either have to carry it cocked n locked or rack the slide in an emergency. in the summer, you will need something smaller and lighter that you can hide under a shirt or in a pocket. that's something like a snub nose revolver. i carry a .357 for belt under a shirt or a light .38 if i'm carrying in my pocket (with a pocket holster always). i own a lot of handguns, but that's how i do it

>>717023427
Springfield makes a good 1911 at a good price point

SIG is running away with the non-classic 1911 industry

Kimber is expensive... and not what it use to be. But is by no means to be discounted.

Para is a great budget 1911.

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This for when you in da club and bae is eyein that nigga cross da room

>>717023460

FBI created .40 Short & Weak because their lady cops couldn't handle the glory of the 10mm.

>>717023460
124 grain* I'm tired as hell

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>>717023806
>Springfield makes a good 1911

>>717023764
Yes, but they don't meet the cost and quality standards.

Sub $600 and not a shitty Filipino knock off

>>717023797
in my state i can open carry, im a fan of knowing who has a gun rather than guess.

>>717023593
Proof that 1 round of 9mm can be all you need.

>>717023683
Police have reported that 1911s, when stolen and used to commit crimes, are often too complex for your average Hi-Point user to comprehend.

>>717023764
>compact 1911's

anything shorter than commander length and you risk fail to feed, the 1911 was not designed to function in a 3" barrel setup. for a carry gun, first consideration is always reliability

>>717023683
>has frame mounted slide lock
>also has grip safety so you have to have your hand around the grip
>has one click colt safety
You are literally fucking retarded

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>>717023467
Only political statement making idiots open carry. It makes people nervous (and rightly so) to open carry, but most importantly you give concealed carriers a bad rap by association with your stupid ass. Unless you live on a ranch in the middle of fucking Wyoming, conceal your shit.

>>717024026

Same with armed robbers.

>>717023752
Fixed barrel .380s are stupidly accurate, and PPK clones point like a dream. I spent some time with a Sig P232; it was like going from shooting a .30-30 with irons to shooting an AR with a nice optic. That big of a difference.

>>717024026
>im a fan of knowing who has a gun rather than guess

the people you need to be worried about aren't the ones that are going to open carry or have CCW permits.

>>717023287
1911s are great, I love them, I even carry a 1911 in the fall and winter but...they're not great guns for your first/only carry piece. 1911s have two major problems in my eyes: they're heavy and they're long. I'm 6'1" and used to be a rugby forward and its hard for me to find the right combination of holster/belt/clothing to properly conceal a 1911.

You're also going to need to consider costs. A 1911 is going to cost a lot more to shoot and you're going to want to spend a lot of time practicing if you're just starting to carry. You're going to spend more time cleaning it. A good 1911 is going to cost a lot more than a striker fired workhorse.

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>>717024026
Do you play poker with your cards facing your opponents too?

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>>717023839
Bitch, please.

>>717024346
Why don't people fucking understand this?

>>717023460
>le point 9 mm

>>717024159
you can always polish the feed ramp

>>717020973
Glock 19.

>>717023683
>the safety system is nearly suicidal

you don't know what you are talking about. i'm an ME and i'll tell you, there is no physical way a 1911 can fire with the safeties engaged. it's just not possible. you are scared of seeing the hammer back, that's all

>>717024179
I think if done right, open carry is good.

When I have open carried, I've worn a long sleeve button up (nice), relaxed fit khakis (no holes, nothing trendy), and I carried in a Safariland SLS and ALS holster.

To be honest, most folks assumed I was a cop. No one stared except younger kids who just seemed interested in the gun. If you open carry, don't wear jeans and never wear a tshirt. You'll get negative attention.

>>717024346
im well aware but seeing people with guns is a great visual deterrent

>>717023272
Don't leave Dan Wesson out.

>>717024496
THat's not the issue. It's lack of slide mass.

>>717024496
>717024159
>you can always polish the feed ramp

doesn't matter, my point stands. it wasn't designed for that and it has problems with a 3" setup

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>>717024428
>>717023839
>When you see what he's packing at the urinal, and realize it's time to call for a Skyhook

I want to send my Beretta in to Wilson Combat and have them make her even sexier.

It's legal to own an actual fucking tank in the US, why not just get one of those? No one will fuck with you then

makarov is bestarov
>Glory to Mother Russia

>>717020973
Is this your first handgun? Because an M1911 is one of the worst handguns for ccw.

Get a CZ75.

>>717024577
Dubs, respect.

A lot of this is demographic as well. Open carry is technically legal in my state (Washington) but only idiots open carry in any remotely populated areas.

>>717024584
Oh, of course not. But I'm talking under $1000. Or I'd mention Nighthawk and the like.

>>717024650
gotcha, I've never shot Government sized 1911s

Just get a Walther P99, best damn handgun on the current market

>>717024751
a tank dont fit next to my bed if a jigaboo is stealing my tv

>>717024552
He's probably referring to the fact that it's overly complicated. SA + a grip safety + a frame safety is just more shit going on than you really need to have. Another reason to prefer a Sig or Glock.

>>717024886
god damn I am tired, I've ONLY shot Government sized 1911s*>>717024650

Open carry is the easiest way to be the first target. Conceal it.

>>717024552
To be fair, if you're carrying a 1911 and using a shitty holster theres a good chance you'll accidentally drop the safety eventually. Too many people, especially new carry people, don't put the same time and money into their belt and holster that they put into their carry piece.

>>717024904
Do you honestly think anyone would steal from the guy that owns a goddamn tank?

>>717024858
my town is less than 9000 people and the largest town i go to with frequency is 30,000

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Ruger sr9c is awesome, has 10 in the mag and fits in ur pocket nicely. Also its very thin

>>717020973
Yeah, something concealable with summer clothing.
Sig P938, Ruger LC9s, KelTec PF-9, etc. depending on your hand size.
You can get away with a compact too - Glock 19, S&W M&P Shield, etc.
Shop around, finger fuck some guns to find the best fit - don't go full size, you'll regret it unless you're in some job that allows open carry.

>>717024885
Fair point. To be honest, I'm of the opinion that there isn't a good 1911 FOR CARRY to be had for under $1000.

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>>717020973
Why not go full fud, OP?

>>717025040
i barely have room for my mustang let alone a fucking Abrams

These are becoming popular: http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-07-9mm-black-polymer-interchangeable-back-straps-15-rd-mags/

>>717025231
i would love to carry that but i dont have that kind of cash.

>>717025263
http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-55-278#currency=EUR


They're relatively cheap though. About the price as a new truck

>>717024996
TRUTH. A gun belt and holster by Safariland, Blackhawk, or Bladetech are a must for open carry.

Now... if you don't give a fuck about weapon retention, you can go with leather classics like Galco, Bianchi, and a million others. At least get a leather snap though. It won't slow anyone down much, but if you trip and eat shit, you gun is less likely to go sliding across the ground.

>>717020973
FNX-45
>More Ammo
>Lighter
>Stronger
>More Recoil

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>>717022114
>>717022114
>>717022114
This. My first gun was also a 1911 because I loved the Punisher movie and the guns history. Big mistake. I have many other guns now and learned too much. Go with a Glock 19 or 23, get gen 4. Excellent triggers. Can get a used police trade 23 from sportmans outdoor superstore for under 350. May come with a few digs in the polymer, but its an indestructible carry gun. The 19 will have larger capacity and less recoil, but you'll pay a bit more for it.

A Sig Sauer P320 Compact. Another amazing gun with a hair trigger. I baby it, so I don't carry it. I usually carry my Glock 23 in my waistband with a MIC holster, works perfectly.

Last but not least, an FNS 9 Compact. Comes with 2 12 rd mags, one 17 rd mag. Delish trigger.

You can watch Hickock45 videos on all of those guns, as well as many other videos. But for fucks sake, don't spend 500+ on an outdated 1911, when you can spend that on something way better that's actually reliable if a bit of dirt gets in it.

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>>717025458

>>717025208
Definitely in the pre-owned market to have that price.

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The .45 I carry is worth considering.
" The XD® Mod.2™ .45ACP Sub-Compact Bi-tone Essentials Package is an amazingly slim and ergonomic pistol that packs even more amazing capacity. Featuring the GripZone™, the XD® Mod.2™ .45ACP Sub-Compact is a great choice for comfortable and reliable concealed carry.

From high visibility low-profile sights to a slim-contour frame, the XD® Mod.2™ .45ACP Sub-Compact Bi-tone is a pistol that squeezes a lot of value and features into a surprisingly small package. At just two tenths of an inch wider than the industry’s slimmest single stack polymer frame pistols, the Mod.2™ .45ACP Sub-Compact Bi-tone offers 9+1 rounds of .45ACP or 13+1 rounds with an X-Tension™ magazine. This noticeably slim profile, extraordinary capacity, and 3.3” barrel add up to make a carry pistol that offers serious firepower in a handgun that will easily conceal."

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>>717024308
I'd love to buy one. Beautiful gun.

CZ. VERY underrated guns. The P10 should be a gem.

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>>717025458
>>717025497

>>717025084
Fair enough. But the question still begs, why not just conceal if for reasons other than to make a statement? Tactically it makes more sense to NOT let potential aggressors know that you're carrying.

>>717025412
for that price id rather get a raptor

>>717025412
Wait, my fucking F150 cost more than a fucking tank?

>>717025530
This.

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>>717025503
speaking of "beautiful guns"

>>717020973
Glock 17, and replace the firing pin with a titanium one.

>>717025622
Yeah, but that's not a fucking tank. Imagine owning an actual tank, legally!

>>717025419
Leather holsters can give you reasonable retention if you spend the money on them. I've got Mitch Rosen, Brigade, and Milt Sparks holsters that I wouldn't worry much about if I took a fall. Then again, IWB is a different story.

>>717025403
Cheaper than 1911s.

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Do yourself a favor and get a P99

i dislike small guns, i want something powerful and not made of plastic. something durable. nothing flashy. im not looking to explode someone like i have the bloody mess perk just eliminate the threat.

>tfw my country ranks higher in freedoms than the usa (google it)
>tfw i can walk around at any time of day or night anywhere in the country and don't have to worry about being shot
>tfw i've shot a few rifles
>tfw i love the craft that goes into guns (stripping, oiling them ect)
>tfw i can own heaps of guns (no semi or full auto's)
>tfw i see how stupid 75% of the population is and i see these threads
>tfw when i visit the USA thinking about how stupid and armed all of you are

kek

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>>717025895

>>717025954
Do yourself a favor and stay away from the P99
>fix'd that for ya

>>717026090
Yeah, but, can you legally own a motherfucking tank?

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>>717020973

OP 1911 is kinda lame IMO, but if you want it go ahead.

Look into the FN 5-7 if you can it's a fucking beautiful gun double stack 20 rounds and you can CC it very easily

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>>717026090
>tfw some jerkoff didn't even post a face with all that shitty greentext that starts with tfw.

>>717025715
Really nice and south of $400.

>>717026079
You're a moron if you think material used in gun construction has any effect on end result of bullet leaving the barrel.

>>717026090
>tfw literally no one cares about you, your opinion, or your input in this thread

>>717026171
Lel why?

>>717026235
Man, we just went full fucking meme in here.

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>>717026090

>>717024577
>most people assumed I was a cop
yeah that's what we need, everyone thinking everyone else is a cop

>>717026235
Or learn to aim so you dont need twenty fucking bullets

>>717026090
No one gives a shit about your communist dickhole of a authoritarian country. Get fucked eurocuck.

>>717026242
lurk more you fucking retard

>>717026235
OP DON"T BUY A 5-7, they SUCK monkey cum from a catheter coming out of an elephant's anus

>>717026235
8+1 is more than enough

>>717026235

>5.7 spitballs versus .45 FUCKING ACP

>>717026410
I mean that in the sense of, I was dressed in business casual and had a firearm in a retention holster.

Most folks only see that in law enforcement, not the typical open carry individual.

>>717026314
Made for Walther by Fabryka Broni Radom - the company who until 2000 made typewriters and sewing machines.

>>717026235
The only reason I could see to buy one of those is if you had reliable access to the armor piercing rounds and expected to be fighting cops in the next ten years. MAYBE if FN opens 5.7x28 up, gets SAAMI specs, and helps the cartridge take off by having other people make ammo that might change, but right now I can't see dropping over a grand on a specialty weapon with a single source of expensive, sometimes difficult to find ammunition.

>>717026413
learn to read pleb fuck

>tfw my country ranks higher in freedoms than the usa
>tfw my country ranks higher in freedoms than the usa
>tfw my country ranks higher in freedoms than the usa
>tfw my country ranks higher in freedoms than the usa


http://patrickrhamey.com/saturday-research/2015/4/15/2015-state-of-world-liberty-index

>from a university in your own country

C U C K E D
U
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K
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What the actual fuck? You can own a tank? /thread

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>>717026470
Someone got upset.

>>717026767

SHALL

>>717026767
Yeah dude, you can also import a barrel and with a class 3 destructive license, you restor the guns to be fully operational

>>717021906
>being this retarded

>>717026901
>but you can't own most skylines
>or defenders

kek

so cucked

>>717026901
Well fuck

>>717022312
>lel kek p11

dude fuck that jamming pog

DO NOT CARRY P11, YOU WILL JAM OR MISFIRE AND BE SHOT FIRST

>>717026744
Higher freedoms to be used and abused by the government, to be a docile sheep degenerate fucktoy for other men, etc.
Yeah. Great freedoms, faggot.

>>717026992
Who the fuck cares? The dude can own an actual tank

>>717027073
keep deep throating your presidents please, like you have been for the last 70 years. take their loads and beg for me you cuck

>>717027132
You must really get off on fantasizing about men.
You know who does that? Buncha eurofaggots who like it in the ass by the queen.

Concealed carry?

HK P30SK

>>717021330
get a Deagle if you're an experienced shooter, otherwise I'd suggest a 9mm if you're just looking for defense, 1911 is a good gun too

>>717027246
because the queen has alot to do with the european union?

typical dumb americuck has nfi about the world

keep chugging cuck, definitely the best c(o)untry on earth. KEK

>>717020973
CZ 75
good balance of size, weight, and capacity.

1911 are cool, but by modern standards ate too big, heavy, and low capacity.

The only reason to carry one is because you think they are cool, not practical.

>>717027388
like i said, the deagle would be awesome but its just out of price range and impractical

The revaluation that one can own an armored tank in the United States... Is just.. Like, who the fuck cares about your shitty hand guns?

>>717021710
Gotta say this, dont be a fag, stopping power is a myth.

A pair of 9mm holes will be just as effective at stopping a bad guy as a pair of .45 holes.

>>717027485
8+1 rounds is more than enough, there is no need for 15-20 rounds unless youre a cop

>>717027485
Such a good gun!

>>717027469
Says the eurocuck who's cuntry is a shithole dicktatorship.
When they gonna finally gas whatever nigger ethnic group that spawned you?

>>717027660
>more than enough

so in your home you want the smallest fire extinguisher you can get by with because it's probably enough?

That's just stupid thinking.

>>717027660
How many gunfights have you been in?

Yes, most of the time you'll be very close, and will fire and run...

But I've never heard anyone say they had too much ammo in a gun fight.

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>>717020973
P83 if you want cheap and small

century arms has them for $200

>>717026621
That only makes me think of precision. That's a pro

>>717024803
I actually own a Makarov but. It's reliable, reasonably accurate, and stupid easy to maintain. Throw in the fact that it's probably one of the less expensive handguns mentioned in this thread and it's not a bad choice.
But the ammo probably won't be in stock at your neighborhood Walmart, if a local gun shop carries it you're likely to pay a premium price for it, and on line it's almost the same price as 9mm luger.
Also, the magazines are getting harder to find and more expensive. When I bought mine, I picked up 8 spare mags for $7 each. They're going for around $50 now, if you can find them.

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>>717025458
>>717025526
>>717025497

>>717020973
Don't forget checking in closets and the gym

>>717027912
my price range is around $700 dollars

Personally, I'd rather have 21 rounds in my gun and another 20 on my mag holster and only use 2 then only be carrying 7 and need 10.there is no such thing as too much ammo.

>>717027880
>>717027852
ammo is heavy, id rather have more gun, a more powerful round than a bunch of smaller weaker rounds.

>>717027660
>what are multiple assailants that may or may not be on drugs
Never say "x" amount is enough because no one fucking knows until it's done.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/crime/goons-wanted-brazen-assault-young-couple-missouri-bar-article-1.1929944

>>717027880
Plus, this is a contingency plan... an insurance policy. So the likelihood that someone in podunk Wisconsin is going to need to protect themselves is irrelevant. It's just in case.

So just in case you fucking miss an armed mugger, have more than 8 rounds.

Just in case you're home is being broken into by a team of two or more... have more than 8 rounds.

Just in case you're shopping at a mall and there's a multiple shooters blazing through... have more than 8 rounds.

>carry at least one spare mag for reload or malfunction

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>>717022015
Not bad anon. I carry around a SD40VE, fits in my pant pocket pretty snug. Little bit bigger than the Shield, but carries 14+1 rounds

>>717027927
They've been subject to at least one recall I can remember.

>>717028159
powerful round... then carry an AR15.

We're talking handguns. Be quiet and let the adults talk.

>>717020973
C96 Mauser

>>717028194
i plan on carrying a spare mag but i just feel that many rounds in the weapon is not necessary in a handgun for accuracy purposes, if it were a rifle i am all for a 30 round mag

>>717028159
>ammo is heavy, id rather have more gun
So, a heavy gun and less ammo instead of a lighter gun and more ammo in a package that overall weighs the same?


>smaller weaker rounds

I gaurentee the guy you shoot wont know the difference between a .45 and a 9mm.

Quit being a .45 'MUH Stopping Powwa' fanboy, it's a fantasy not reality.

>>717024650
then how do light plastic guns do it

I own a Colt 1903 Pocket Hammerless, it was my great grandfathers, (I also own an assortment of others) it's one of my favorite shooter pistols. Colt recently rereleased them, I'm thinking about buying one. Have any other anons shot one?

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>>717020973
kolibri

>>717028218
I actually don't recommend this one. I worked at a big gun store and we sold the hell out of these because they would go on sale for like... $300.

Everyone would try to return them because of the trigger, the large grip, etc.

Smith and Wesson are trying to make it a better gun (it started out as the horrific Sigma)... but its just not a good gun. If your price range is $700, buy a $400 ccw piece and put the rest to a couple holsters (CCW and Open carry), 1000 rounds of target ammo, 100 rounds of defense ammo, and if there's anything left, a class.

>>717028684
BF fag get out

>>717022788
an Ethiopian could throw a brick from one side of my apartment to the other

>>717025458
I do not believe that you are the owner of any fire arms, and would go on to claim your praise of factory glock triggers to be both bait and an intentional misinformation campaign against the measuring stick of every single action trigger before and since.

>>717028159
>a more powerful round than a bunch of smaller weaker rounds

well, a nice .357 magnum hollow point can turn your chest into a cavity the size of a softball.

a 9mm can punch a hole through your head with ease.

the little .22LR, my favorite of the bunch, because when it pierces through the front skull plate on your big forehead, there has been enough reduced velocity to where the round will not exit through the back, instead it will bounce around, tearing more shit up along its path.

get fucking real, this is real life, not fucking Call of Duty.

>>717028778
That's a real gun that was invented by an Austrian watchmaker, you cuck.

>>717020973

Just got me one these, OP. Shits dope

>>717028988
Also heavily featured in BF1, faggot

>>717028498
... I'm going to give you benefit of the doubt and say you haven't had any exposure to a training environment.

Accuracy is a luxury that a lot of gunfights wont afford you. You'll be point shooting. Sticking the gun in front of you, finding the front sight, putting it center mass, and firing until the threat is down or it is not longer safe to.

You need ammo to make up for all the misses and non-vital shots.

>>717028913
im well aware of all these facts.

the .357 is just impractical and so are head shots. the best and albeit easiest target is usually center of mass

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>>717020973
just get a 9mm. if you ever do get into a real gunfight, you'd better have aimbot because 8 rounds aint shit. you'll be wishing you hadn't thought with your cock and balls and gotten one of the biggest round you could get in a pistol.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/burlington-mall-shooting-victims-officially-identified/

think you need a .45?

this punk went on a killing spree with a .22

>>717027469
>shithole dicktatorship.

but my country is more free than yours?

yours is the dictatorship you pleb, learn to read, learn to english.

kek

>>717028540
Slides aren't plastic in polymer guns. They're a lightweight metal being cycled by a high speed round - 9mm or .40 usually, not a large, heavy slow caliber like .45
Compare the snappiness in two similarly weighted guns chambered in 9mm vs .45 - .45 will be a gentler, heavier push than the snappier recoil of the smaller, faster round.

>>717028730
Idk about that claim..
I fired off 200 rounds on my Sigma already this year, and hasn't disappointed me since. Plus I keep my gun cleaned and well lubricated.

>>717029081
but it's still a real gun. go back to overwatch, or call of duty, or whichever you faggots play these days.

>>717029204
You just quoted your own post, retard.
See what happens with inbreeding, folks.

S&W 500. Use it to clear out your urethra. Don't be scared to use some force and a few shots to get it in there. Btw WD-40 is a great lube. Have fun son.

>>717029230
Well, for starters, there are exceptions to every rule... minus the awful trigger. You might just be use to yours.

Secondly, 200 rounds isn't even a break in period. You need about 1k to know if yours is going to malfunction.

And you one anecdotal experience does not discount my +500 guns sold. Literally over 80% tried to return them. The trigger and clunky size of it was the main complaint, not reliability. Though, that happened often too.

>>717029522
Disregard this women, she sucks cocks.

>>717029098
I completely agree with this.

try taking any pistol, running 10 feet and then firing 3 shots at a man sized target within 2 seconds of stopping and see how many hit and where they hit.

in a real fight you dont get to stand still, get a good aim for 5 seconds to make sure you're going to hit the exact spot you want to hit.

you raise your weapon and pull the trigger before the other guy, who already has his out and pointed at you gets shots off at you.

>>717029115
well, not really all that impractical if you shot the guy in the head and he is no longer part of the equation.

but the way i see it.. if it stops the bad guy in his tracks, then job done.