Increase the minimum wage!

>>716865379
This is an infographic posted by Bernie Sanders Facebook page showing how many hours an individual must work per state to afford a 1 bedroom apartment.

>>716865379
There should be no minimum wage. MW is for people with basically zero experience - e.g. high school kids entering the workforce for the first time. Raising it creates an artificial barrier to enter the work force and gain experience that leads to better jobs/higher wages. Good Lord, White Castle down the road from me starts kids at $9/hr. It's just another scheme to artificially increase the value/wages paid to union workers, hence, it's overwhelmingly supported by Democrats.

They're going to continue to have to work that many hours too, since everything will go up in price with everyone making a minimum of 15 dollars an hour.

>>716865912
what artificial barrier

>>716865912
No minimum wage is a stupid pipe dream that underestimates how stingy companies can be

Minimum wage means even greater wealth inequality. Do you think the ceo of Carl's jr cares you can't feed your baby? No he cares that he gets paid more

>>716865379

Improve your minimum skill set!

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>>716865379
How about raise the value of the dollar.

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>>716865379
If you're such a failure in life that you lack any skilled labor capabilities or education that actually applies to an industrial, informational or scientific trade in which you need the government to force companies to pay the literally retarded people who have genuinely chosen not to do anything about their situation, you deserve to be homeless.

>Being an adult
>Working a minimum wage job
ya dun goofed

>>716865379
>light-blue
>make $14 an hour
>get 30 hours a weekend
>live comfortably in a two-bedroom unit
>still pay tuition and books on my own
>no debt

I'd take the pay bump, anyways.

>>716865379
This chart is wrong. I live in Washington and don't have to work 60 hour weeks to afford a fucking 700 dollar a month two bedroom apartment.

Also, raising minimum wage just raises inflation. It's minimum wage because you have the MINIMUM skills to do the work.

>>716865912
If that were true, then if we carry forward this insane monetarist logic, the "artificial" increase to wages would transmit into prices and excessive minimum wage would cause accelerating inflation. Of course there's a point where wage increases (including via the minimum wage) would drive inflation, but the fact that inflation is muted means you're full of shit.

>Be 24
>Went to College
>Got training and became an EMT
>Worked 48 hrs w/ full-time education
>$18/hr paid my tuition
>Now making $65k salary, with that guaranteed to go up to ~$85k in the next two years

I'm going to Qatar in the next 6 months, and either Germany or Japan in about a year. Losers make excuses and ask for handouts from the government.

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>>716866945
Just to really hammer the point,
>Also, raising minimum wage just raises inflation.
Well it should be easy to find data supporting that claim then.

>>716866148
The barrier that I will no longer hire kids with no experience for my construction business if I have to pay them $15/hr. If I can give a couple of 16-18 year old kids maybe 20-30 hours a week from $7.50-$10 an hour, they eventually learn something and earn more money. Then maybe they can take that experience elsewhere, or at least use me as a reference. Raise the MW to $15/hr, and I no longer have time to teach you shit you need to know. For that rate, you'd better already be well versed in the basics or carpentry. Hence, a barrier is created. No experience = no job, at least with me. And my high end carpenters make well over $30/hr, so I'm not a cheap fuck. I'm willing to pay a lot for the best workers. I'm also willing to pay a little to have entry level scrubs help handle materials, do general labor and watch and learn, but I'm not paying $15/hr for some kids to unload trucks and carry boards.

>>716865379

You do realize that if you increase minimum wage, it's just going to make the cost of living go up therefor making the increase absolutely pointless?

>>716867320
Wow, look at what 8 years of what a liberal Congressional and Executive government did to the value of a dollar!

>>716865912
You fucking moron. How is someone on minimum wage going to rise up out of poverty if they can't afford housing, food, clothing, bills, and some form of a social life? Do you expect minimum wage workers to be homeless while they work? By not paying them anything they also don't have any money to buy goods to participate in growing our economy.

>>716866945
nah fam, we don't like your logic here. Have a red herring and this strawman and be on your way.

>>716866955
Inflation would be through the roof, so you're wrong. As soon as the wage goes up, people working for $15/hr now are going to necessarily going to have to have a huge pay raise. If you're making $15/hr busting your ass in the heat and cold as a starting guy on a roofing crew you aren't going to stick around busting your ass when you can get the same rate cooking fries. So now my $15 guy is at $20-22/hr. The guys making $22/hr are now making no more than the kid with little experience, so now he goes to $26-28/hr. And on and on... the guys stocking the shelves in WalMart are now going from $10/hr to $17.... you think bread is still gonna be $2 loaf? Nope.

>>716865379
You can if you want, but unemployment will go up too

>>716867664
>Rise up out of poverty
Do good in school, get a scholarship, join the armed forces, ther are ways other than crying that being a burger flipper at McDonalds doesn't pay good enough.
>Can't afford housing, bills, clothing, social life, food
Maybe then you shouldn't move out from mom and dad's until you can live on your own. You are creating your own problem here. And if you were kicked out, then public housing is a thing as are soup kitchens. Who the fuck pays for a social life?
>Can't participate in a growing economy
I smell a democrat here, would a participation ribbon or certificate make you feel better?

tl;dr: Get a real fucking skillset instead of being a whiny burger flipper and blaming everyone else for how you screwed up.

>>716867986
The only thing I'll say is, your post doesn't describe the real world as it currently exists. See the chart in >>716867320 which shows what's actually happened. There's a point at which wage increase transmit to price increases, but we're nowhere near that point. I don't know where that point lies, nobody does, but you're just tilting at windmills.

No. McDonald's isn't going to eat the doubled cost of each worker, the food is going up in price or there will be less people making it.

>>716868365

Didn't McDonalds already roll out automated registers or whatever at some stores? I remember seeing people begging for $15 / hour at McShits so they rolled out a machine to take their place.

>>716868339
So you're saying a company that had to pay 200 people nine dollars an hour will keep ALL those same people employed when they now have to pay fifteen dollars an hour?

You guys are silly.

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>>716868634
Yeah, yeah they have.

>>716868339
Of course we haven't seen that point yet - but $15/hr is the doubling of the current wage. You think that will have no adverse effect on business? I live and pay people in the real world, so you and your Micro-Econ prof that has never had a job outside academia can suck each others cocks while waxing poetic about wage gaps and income inequality and living wages, etc... It all sounds so fucking easy until you actually have a real world budget and real world finances to deal with. It's not just "pay people more so they can live better". The real world, son, is a lot different than whatever the fuck you think you know.

>>716866945
The chart is heavily skewed by big cities

>>716869937
This

>>716869284
Eventually they will have machines making the food it will all be automated with one or two people most making sure it all runs smoothly.

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>>716865379
Minimum wage jobs are ment for teenagers not adults. You aren't supposed to be working a minimum wage job in your twenties if you are you fucked up your life and you shouldn't expect others to fix it for you. Go ahead and raise the minimum wage. I'll love working on the machines that replace you retards

>>716870493
>Minimum wage jobs are ment for teenagers not adults

How about all the time that those teenagers are in school? Should places with minimum wage jobs be closed from 8 to 4 on weekdays because those jobs are only for teenagers?

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>>716865379
Kill yourself, you good for nothing lazy piece of shit. You get the paycheck you deserve, if minimum wage isn't enough for you, then work harder so you get a raise or find a job that pays better, you fucking idiot.

>>716867664
Holy shit, it's almost like it's not my job to take care of another adult!

>>716870801
>If you work minimum wage you should go find a better job
>All the minimum wage workers leave and now there's no more fast food, restaurants, or stores

Like it or not those jobs are a necessary part of our society, and the people who work them full-time should at least be right on the border of the poverty line

Just start a fucking YOUTUBE CHANNEL!!! Seriously I saved up for a year working a minimum wage job and invested it into equipment and now 2 YEARS later after uploading EVERY DAY I am making $5000 a month and its STILL GROWING! Seriously.... it would be stupid not to do this you lazy ass bums

>>716870769
Fair point. I still don't see how anyone can't get by on minimum wage. Maybe if they stopped paying for TV, internet, and that fancy smart phone they wouldn't have a problem.

>>716867664
Yet here I am, a kid that started at $2.85/hr in 1990 and now I own my own construction company. Quit fucking whining you fucking loser and go to fucking work. Maybe if you're 18-19 you could live with your parents for a year while you save. Protip: don't spend all the money you make on video games, iPhones and drugs. Live within your fucking means.

>>716865379
Get a skill. Minimum wage was not intended to support a niggress and her brood.

>>716871488
If they're only working that job full time then they'll probably be able to get by alright. Of course you've also got to factor in health insurance, car payments, car insurance, food, and other life expenses. And if they're trying to get an education too then that's less time they can work. It all adds up pretty fast.

>>716867427
>age just raises inflation.
>Well it should be easy to find data supporting that claim then.
>>>
> Anonymous 12/28/16(Wed)17:46:49 No.716867427

And what exactly is preventing you from agreeing with your competitors to lower wages to $0.01 an hour and forcing workers to either accept your minimum wage, or not have any money at all. Like what happens in China or India?

>>716871387
they are on the poverty line

>doubles minimum wage
>businesses raise prices to compensate
>dollar becomes worth less than it was before

>>716871605
>Everybody that's worked a minimum wage job will eventually own a company
There's always going to be more minimum wage jobs than company owners or managers. It's like a food web, every level you go up there's less and less spots available. Minimum wage jobs will always be around, and saying that people who work them need to move up doesn't fit with reality. They should at least meet the poverty line

>>716867427
It seems to me there are a number of ways to deal with the precise situation you're dealing with while still raising the minimum wage (like exceptions to the mw if your household income is already higher than a certain point or something like that)

It's already happening without raising the minimum wage, but raising it will only drive companies to automation quicker. McDonald's already has a functioning restaurant that is completely automated. The higher the wages are driven the more incentive for the development in AI, especially in the shit teir sectors.

Reaganomics is coming back and we're all going to get screwed.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/12/a-nobel-laureate-explains-how-trump-could-nuke-the-economy

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/10/17/the-abject-failure-of-reaganomics/

>>716867292
If you're not making Atleast 100 grand a year please don't talk down to people you pleb lmao

>>716872432
Good, raise the minimum wage and bring the robots in. I want my futuristic society already.

>>716872539
And yet Reagan is a conservative hero, while they preach fiscally responsible government spending. The dude blew fuckloads of government money. And if Trump puts the tariffs he's said on chinese imports then it'll be be another recession

>>716871387
>All the minimum wage workers leave and now there's no more fast food, restaurants, or stores
That wouldn't happen, you moron. If all minimum wage workers stopped working because the pay is too shit, the companies will increase the wages by themselves since they need to get employees. Learn economics. Minimum wage should be abolished altogether.

>>716872090
B/c they would just go to McDonald's for $9. Are you that fucking stupid? Or do you think I could go into a meeting, as an owner of a company that does around $2.5M/annually and have a meeting with the CEOs of MCD, WalMart, Boeing, Etna, IBM, Google, etc... and collude to keep wages at $0.01/hr? Seriously, kid, you can't be this fucking stupid.

>>716872890
Because people can't just stop working because the pay is shit, and they can't all go find better paying jobs because that costs money and time if they don't already have the education, and there will always be fewer management positions than basic worker positions.

Basic supply and demand doesn't account for the necessity of holding any job, no matter how shitty it is

>>716872270
Yeah, that wasn't the point. The point is, if you take a shit job and work hard you're eventually going to move up the ladder. I didn't say my 'rents sent me to Harvard and I got drunk and created a social media company and was a billionaire by the age of 24. Try to understand context, anon.

>>716873309
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>>716873066

>>716872941
This is already being discussed among the technological elite like Elon Musk. When the need for human labor is extremely diminished, we are going to need a new economic model. I hate the idea of socialism, but that is what it is looking like.

>>716872395
Yeah, that's what employers want, to sift through a bunch of applicants to try to verify household incomes. No, we just want to interview somebody and offer them a job with a compensation package commensurate with their skills.

>>716873352
And while you're working hard you should still be able to have a decent standard of living

>>716873579
You're going to reject a system taht could help those in need because you're too lazy to apply it?

>>716865379
No, fuck raising the minimum wage. Here is SoCal it's already set to be raised to something like $11+, I can't fathom the inflation we'll all see here

The minimum wage should be $0.00

>>716873716
If you show up with no skills, you haven't earned more than minimum wage. I assure you, if you work hard, you won't be making minimum wage for very long. See, you snowflakes all think you "deserve" something for just showing up, like you're doing us a favor. But you aren't, asshole, there's a million unskilled kids just like you. If you suck, I'll fire you your first day. If you work hard, I will increase your pay. If you really seem to have a knack for the work I'm paying you to do, I may increase your pay slightly above what you are currently worth to keep you from pursuing other opportunities. Nobody deserves anything in life. You get what you earn.

>>716874209
Giving me a "yearly raise" of $0.25 isnt anything

>>716873309
Yes they can, minimum wage jobs are the easier jobs to get. You can literally just show up at a McDonald's and start work the next day if they're hiring. It take no education whatsoever, even a 10 year old can do them. There is no excuse, if you fail at even getting them then you're pretty much a garbage human being and it's natural selection taking its course. If you still don't like the pay you're getting, then get an education (which you should have done from the very beginning instead of being a low-life minimum wage worker).

>>716873133

That's his point - it's the MINIMUM wage which is preventing you from fucking over your workers - because McDonalds is forced to pay $9 per hour. If there were no minimum wage, they certainly wouldn't pay that much, and both of you would go as low as you could for unskilled workers to ultimately save yourself money and screw them over.

Are YOU that stupid?

>>716868634

Hasn't Sheetz had that for awhile? why is it a big deal now?

>>716874209
Kekd at snowflakes. What should libs call you? "Big strong bulls"?

>>716865379
General strike, across the board, all workers... Workers of the world, unite!

>>716865379
>Increase the minimum wage!

try doing something that pays better than minimum wage. grow the fuck up and don't expect to live on minimum wage into social security. you assholes are going to be surprised when half of you are laid off because you insisted on the minimum wage being doubled. i'm gonna laugh my ass off.

>>716874457
It was a big deal because their workers were getting in a tizzy screaming "WE WANT $15 AN HOUR", and then while it was still a big thing, McDonald's quietly puts out those kiosks.

I work 50-60 hours a week.

Typically a 14 hour work day.

Make around 20 dollars an hour, worked hard for this job. And now kids at McDonalds here in NY make 10.50 an hour. This was litteral raised like last week.

The price of food, rent, utilities is slowly rising. Raising min wage isn't helping anyone at all. And I don't have a min wage job that I can riot for a higher wage. So as you fucks creep up to my pay scale, the cost of living increases, dragging down the people that actually did something for a living.

>>716867664
Seems like the price of housing is the problem. If the standard cost of living is lowered, then progress can be made.

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>>716873869
So I should burn hours of labor to verify this bullshit? No, kid, it's obvious you've never worked a day in the real world. Let me slightly decrease the quality of my life to decide if a kid should get $9 or $11. Here's the thing, if I have it in my budget to hire two additional employees at $10/hr, then I want to hire two kids for $10/hr. If I have to pay one kid $14/hr b/c his household income is under a certain amount then I'm reduced to a few choices...
A) Hire two other kids that would only need to make $10/hr, thus eliminating the $14/hr kid from consideration
B) Hire only one kid for $14/hr and be short staffed, but pocket the other $6/hr for myself
C) Say fuck it, hire one guy that already has experience for $16-18/hr.

See, the artificial barrier to enter the workforce is back in effect in all three cases. Either I hire one instead of two, or the guy with the fucked up wage is passed over.

>>716874209
This.

>>716874925
Also would like to point out that I pay 400 a month for utilities, (food, water, heat, electrical, gas, insurance) around 200 for creature comforts (internet, dinner, games) 1000 for rent, and 300 for loans.

Among other things. So I could live comfy before. But now I have to work harder for the same lifestyle.

>>716874369
No, you're completely wrong. McD's around here where minimum wage is $7.50 pays $9-10/hr b/c that's the going rate. Stay there for a year and you're making more. Nightshift probably pays a couple bucks an hour more. See - the harder it is to fill the position, the higher the wage. Grow the fuck up.

>>716874933
Housing prices are problematic, but the real problem is poverty. Desperate people do desperate things. Poverty and crime rate are directly connected.

>>716865379
Talk about fake. I only work 40 hrs/wk and can afford a 3 bedroom house. This is the type of fake shit liberals like to spread.

>>716874925
The cost of living increases anyway, whether the minimum wage gets increased or not

>>716865379
Don't have a shitty minimum wage job if you expect to live in a one bedroom unit. If you have a shitty minimum wage job then you're gonna have to find people to room with. I'm a college student in NY, no degree, working fulltime between semesters and partime during semesters making 2.25 over minimum wage. I work hard, but that's what I have to do because I didn't get a degree yet. That's life.

>>716875267
Absolutely. It's not just MW that raises cost of living. Hell I've seen oil companies take over housing and crank up rent by 4-5 times.

>>716874925
>And I don't have a min wage job that I can riot for a higher wage.

Hmmm, sounds like a good argument to bring unions back...

>>716874624
That's what my wife calls me. My generation doesn't really give a fuck what the snowflake and the baby boom generation calls us as we think you're all a bunch of fucking pansy ass jerk offs. Call us whatever the fuck you want.

>>716875265
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>>716870038
I've mostly seen metropolitan liberals supporting raising the min wage, hard to figure out why when all they do is gentrify their own fucking neighborhoods.

>>716874209
>>716874361
People deserve housing, food, and transportation so they can get to their jobs. If the government has to provide help so that people can afford those then capitalism has failed them

>>716875392
Your degree means literal nothing.

>>716872941

"Well, for Reagan, things didn’t quite go as planned. The deficit soared, growth slowed, inequality grew, those in the middle saw their incomes stagnate, and those at the bottom saw their incomes fall. The economy began its rapid deindustrialization, but nothing was done to help those whose jobs were destroyed. Thus was born the “displaced middle”—the group of angry middle-aged white men who seem to have been central to Trump’s campaign."

>>716865379
What the fuck?? According to that map you can make your rent in 1.5 weeks in California doing 60 hours a week. What is the problem? You still have 3.5 weeks to make money for food and shit. What a stupid ass skewed as shit map.

>>716875481
t.college dropout

>>716875562
How can anyone be this dumb?

>>716875240
>McD's around here where minimum wage is $7.50 pays $9-10/hr b/c that's the going rate.

Exactly, because they have to stay somewhat competitive by paying slightly ABOVE the minimum wage. If the minimum wage were $2.50, they'd be paying $5.00. If there were no minimum wage, they'd be paying as little as they could get away with - and so would you. Again, this screws over unskilled workers.

>>716875435
But don't you know that Unions are the reason for everything shitty with industry? Like 40 hour work weeks, vacation time, and decent pay. Everyone knows that before unions businesses treated people kindly and didn't take advantage of them

>>716875690
What? I'm right. Please explain yourself.

>>716865379
I live in Arizona, and they just raised the minimum wage to $10. Where I live teachers usually make $12 an hour and there is already a teacher shortage. Now prices of products is going to raise and less jobs(fast food) to go around in order for business owners to compensate.

>>716875435
I honestly meant I CANT riot for higher wage. Typo.

And no I don't work in a union shop. Don't get me wrong I love my job. And loved my wage. But now I'm beginning to get stuck in a situation where I may need more work.

>>716874342
Yeah, my guys work anywhere from $7.50 (unskilled teenagers in the summer doing some grunt work and being taught as they earn the opportunity to learn) up to $37.50 for high end finish guys. If you're working a job for a year and only get $0.25 raise, you obviously haven't made yourself valuable to your employer.

>>716868249
Do you not get it that many studies have linked poverty with increased crime? The more that people in the workforce (yes this includes minimum wage workers they pay taxes too) are subjected to living in poverty the more the cycle of shit happens. Not everyone has the opportunity to just going from nothing to having everything. Some people work extremely hard and don't get rewarded for it and end up just barely getting by the rest of their lives. If it were just as simple as keeping low wages to "motivate" people to become wealthy then we wouldn't have slums and ghettos.

>>716875524
And yet I'd bet that the majority of Trump supporters still love Reagan...

>>716875481
you are right degrees are completely worthless for the most part unless you are STEM. I know plenty of people without a college education getting paid 90k+

>>716867664
Why is it that the "poor" people in America are the fattest slobs?
Instead of diversifying your diet, diversify your stock portfolio.

>>716875479
Minimum wage is more than enough to cover housing, food and transportation, I would know because I lived on minimum wage for 2 and a half years, anyone who can do it unless they're a spoiled lazy retard who needs a wake up call into the real world, in which case it's your own damn fault. But I guess if the real world is too tough for you you can always move back in with your parents like the NEET loser that you are.

>>716875858
I know that's what you meant - hence my argument for unions still standing. I wasn't being sarcastic.

>>716875900
They want the cake and to eat it too. They will never understand their hypocrisy as long as the Republicans keep tricking the poor to fight for the rich.

>>716875479
Saying the "deserve" something means somebody else has to provide it for them. You realize the government only gets money from taking money from others, right? You don't "deserve" a house, a phone, food, medical care or anything else. All of these things require somebody else to provide a service for you, which we are not required to do.

>>716865379
just get a good job fucking dumbfag

>>716867437
Dumb ass. The cost of everything has already gone up. The cost of living of everything stop when should creep up to match it not just for more experienced workers.

>>716875858
Because your employer hasn't increased your pay in accordance with the increase in inflation and cost of living expenses, which are due to the natural growth of the economy.

>>716875863
>what is every minimum wage job for a major corporation
The majority of corporations aren't as generous as you are anon. 25 cents is a pretty standard raise for retail or service industry work

>>716875696
Right, but then a McDouble would still be $0.85 and not $1.29. A large fry would be $1.00, not $1.99. And if everybody's pay in my city was halved, rent on a 2 BR apt would be $400, not $800. See how that works?

>>716875915
Math degrees for the win, it'll get you any STEM job

>>716876323
So get the fuck out of the service industry. God damn, son. Is the service industry your life's ambition? Work there for a year. Be great at it. Use your boss at a restaurant as a reference. Nothing gets you a better job faster than a good reference.

>>716871974
>health insurance
Take care of your body, and you won't get sick
>car payments
Why not walk to work, ride a bike, or take public transportation?
>car insurance
see above point
>food
learn how to cook, buy food in bulk.
>other life expenses
be frugal. want =/= need

The issue isn't wage or price, it's motivation.
People need to understand they CAN'T live beyond their means, that's how they fall into debt and start a shitty downward spiral.

>>716865912
You don't understand economics do you?

>>716876193
>You don't "deserve" a house, a phone, food, medical care

And this is why I'm not a conservative. When people are dehumanized so that you have no issue letting them starve and freeze then society has failed

>>716876070
Probably because processed and unhealthy food are significantly cheaper in the grocery stores. Sure they can buy vegetables, fruit and meat, but we're assuming that they have money to buy pots and pans, silverware, and have electricity at their house. Let's also assume that the person in the household has 2-3 minimum wage jobs. They work 12 hours per day making $96 per day. They have 2 kids to take care of and the father is in prison because he got busted selling drugs to make extra money. At the end of the day they are so tired that it's just easier to eat frozen dinners, processed foods and fast food.

>>716876757
Yes, quite a bit better than you, I assume. How long have you owned your own business? How many payroll checks have you signed? Zero? yeah, thought so.

>>716876601
Every job I've gotten or tried to get hasn't bothered calling a reference, though.

>>716876074
WHEN and WHERE did you do this, fuckhead?
If you're over 30, your shit story is invalid.

>>716876784
Because fuck you got mine is how they live. A fuck you got mine attitude is not sustainable and will destroy our society.

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>>716869937
/bread

>>716876955
They probably lived with 4 other roommates, took the bus and ate ramen for food.

>>716876602
>Take care of your body, and you won't get sick
That's not how diseases work anon.
>Why not walk to work, ride a bike, or take public transportation?
America isn't built for that. It's built around cars
>learn how to cook, buy food in bulk.
Still costs a significant amount of money

>>716876902
Well, that's on them. I find that hard to believe. Every job I got growing up definitely called my current job for a report. Of course these days, I can see it. My lawyer always tells me to not give any information other than "this person is for re-hire" or "this person is not for re-hire". of course, I like to see my guys do well, so if they were actually really good, I will heap praise on them. But yes, for the shit ones, I will only say "this person is not for re-hire".

>>716876784
But it's totally okay to rob other people and steal their money just because someone else is a loser who can't get off his ass, man up and get a job? How the fuck is that our responsible? You're the only one responsible for yourself, no one else.

>>716876784
>"It is your responsibility to take care of another man who is capable of taking care of himself."
This is why the liberals lost to Trump.

>>716877259
our responsibility*

>>716876602
You're like the world's worst devil's advocate.

>health insurance
Random mugging, hit by car, just "get sick" for no rhyme or reason.

>car payments
get mugged on public trans or hit while on bike, shit weather in majority of US.

>food
Work 48 hour workweeks and bike/walk to work and then to grocery store. What time is there for cooking?

>other life expenses
what's the point of living?

>>716874624
Not him but see... you're the one that wants something from him. He doesn't owe you anything.

>>716876988
This is partly why I hope robots continue to replace jobs, and that someone finally figures out fusion energy. Lot's of major projects on fusion that show slow progress. Lockheed-Martin says they've got it figured out, but that seems sketchy to me. Who knows, they're a major defense contractor, maybe they do

Widespread cheap energy and automation will force a serious re-evaluation of our society

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>>716876602
Let me just wake up 5 hours early (2am) so that I can walk to a job site that moves every time a project is completed. Cars and their expensive-ish maintenance are a must for some

>>716867292
I was an emt before nursing. Lmao at you for thinking your hot shit after a 2 week certification course and being the niggers of ems.

>>716875900

The greatest mistake Liberals ever made was letting Conservatives carry on the charade they're "better at economics". Now Trump is going to screw us over even more.

"If America’s exchange rate increases, our exports become more expensive, and imports become cheaper—Italian designer clothing for the 1 percent and Indian and Bangladeshi clothing for the 99 percent.

Higher interest rates normally result in a higher exchange rate. But what happens if Trump does build his wall with Mexico, repeals NAFTA, imposes 45 percent tariffs against China, and labels China a foreign-exchange-rate manipulator? One of his advisers should have told him that China has been intervening in its exchange rate to prevent it from falling. If China stopped intervening, its exchange rate would fall—and our imports from China would increase. If it reduced restrictions on its citizens investing abroad, it would fall even more. If Trump imposes new tariffs on China, production of clothing and textiles won’t shift back to the U.S.; it will just move to elsewhere in the developing world. A few hi-tech companies might start producing goods in the U.S., but the sad news is that the jobs will be few and they will be hi-tech—not the jobs promised for the dislocated workers of the Rust Belt. And again, Trump will be foiled by the exchange rate: the higher tariff will result in a depreciation in China’s exchange rate, partially undoing any hoped-for benefits."

>>716877236
>cost of a dr visit while healthy < cost of fixing a problem when it appears
>Surely this explains all the Taxi, Metro, and Bus services in the largest population centers
>Significantly less than eating at McDick every night. A 10 lb bag of rice, mixed vegetables, eggs, and some garlic goes a long way.

>>716877717

"For instance, the United States pushed other countries to agree to a provision in trade agreements calling for “countervailing duties”: if a country provides a subsidy to a firm—either directly or indirectly, through the tax system—then any of our trading partners can impose an offsetting “duty” or tariff. Providing a subsidy was precisely what Trump did with his deal to keep Carrier/United Technologies deals in Indiana. That is what the U.S. did with the entire banking system, in the form of a massive bailout. It is what Washington did with the auto industry. Other countries have so far looked the other way. But if the U.S. starts playing “tough,” so can they. In fact, the U.S. has been brought before trade tribunals on charges of violating trade agreements 129 times in the past 20 years. But Trump promises to usher in a new era—not in fighting for our rights, but in violating international trade law."

>>716865379
If your labor isn't worth at least $15 an hour to your employer, maybe you should read a book and stop being such a dumb piece of human garbage

>>716868249
>implying everyone has a stable mother / father / homelife/smarts to get a full scholarship to a university....

This is coming from someone without stable home life AND with a full ride to a state university....

>>716877618
I have the same thoughts about automation as well, but I worry that we are too selfish to even comprehend the notion that everyone can be happy and taken care of equally.

>>716877259
>>716877470
Somehow this turned from people who work minimum wage to people who refuse to work? Society has set the standard work week at 40 hours. If you work 40 hours a week you should be able to afford housing, food, and medical care, and still have enough money to pursue and education or whatever to better yourself. People who are contributing to society should not be left behind, and when capitalism fails them the government steps in

>>716876784
>>716876988
You're both so fucking wrong. We pay a shit ton more intaxes that we should. How fucking much do I have to pay? Seriously, what would be fair? I give 28% to the feds, 4% to the state, about 2% to every city in which I do work, 2% to my city, an extra 1% to my local school district, plus property taxes that are about 3% of my yearly income. So I'm keeping sixty cents of every dollar I make. Seriously, give me a number. Isn't 40% enough? Do I get a thank you note from all the people I employ following every job when I pay them? Do other taxpayers and the government thank me for providing work for a few dozen people and taking them off the dole? No, you whiny fucks just hold out your hand and say "more".

>>716876879
If you raise minimum wage, then all businesses are under the same wage pressure.

If your business model is sound, you're already taking about 8x the labor of an employee, sometimes 100x the employee.

>>716877495
>only 48 hours of work is too much work
This is why you're poor, entitled bitchboy.
I work rotating shifts, 12+ hours a day, 7 days in a row with 2 days off to rotate to the next shift.
I make bank and I live very comfortably.

>>716877495
The point of living is to put as much cash into someone else's pockets while believing that someday you will get yours.

>>716865379
Yes let's raise it so that autistic Tim working at the grocery store on the corner can finally afford a gun to shoot up the school and then off himself.

>>716877919

This is my favorite part though.

"Here’s another dirty secret about U.S. trade negotiations that nobody seems to have told Trump. Our trade agreements are unsatisfactory not because our negotiators failed to get what they wanted, but because they SUCCEEDED: the trade agreements were written by and for corporate interests. The intellectual-property provisions, which promise to increase drug prices and discourage innovation by small- and medium-size firms, were pushed by Big Pharma. Generic drugs, American consumers, and global science have been among the losers. And again, someone will have to break the news to Trump that among the strongest supporters of these provisions have been Republican senators. Either way, Trump is in for trouble: either he breaks with those whom he promised to bring in a new era of trade deals, or he breaks with the powerful special interests who underwrite his own party. The real conflict is not between workers in the U.S. and those elsewhere; it’s between workers everywhere and corporate interests everywhere."

>>716877717
>>716877919
And every article from business and financial sites I've seen have said the exact same things. Trump boosting US infrastructure is good, if he can find a way to pay for it. Trump putting up tariffs and backing out of trade deals is bad news for the economy. Economic globalization has already happened, and there's no reversing it

>>716878113
You have the opportunity to acquire skills that will enable you to afford the things you desire. You don't just get enough money for a 2 BR/1.5 BA in a trendy neighborhood, fully furnished, with utilities a sweet phone lease, a newish car and fine foods b/c you exist. Get some roommates and live in a dump for a few years. Save money. Get skills, Move up at work. Don't expect shit b/c you think you somehow "deserve" it.

I made over twice the minimum wage in Colorado and still can't afford a 1br anywhere it's not a shithole.

>>716878148
All businesses are not under the same wage pressures, not even fucking close. You can't seriously believe this. My God, whatever you learned in micro-econ was wrong. So fucking wrong.

>>716878128
Look you stupid shit, it's not about taxes or any of that bullshit. We are human beings not animals, and as such we all should have access to housing, food, education and healthcare. We have a surplus of vacant homes in this country and homeless living on the streets. We throw away perfectly good food and refuse to give it to the homeless and poor because fuck them they aren't worth it. We are better than this.

>>716878113
>>716878113
It's the same thing. It's completely your fault if you live on minimum wage. If you want better pay, work harder so you get a raise or get another job that pays better. No one is forcing you to live on minimum wage, it's up to you, so don't go around complaining that you're not getting paid enough, you get paid what your work is worth. No one else is obligated to bail you out because you're too retarded to get a bigger salary than minimum wage.

Also, see
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>>716878128
And how much of that 40% actually goes to medical, welfare, and social security expenses?

>>716877982
They should blame their own parents (and live in misery) or adapt.

>>716878567

The infrastructure plan is definitely an issue.

"His infrastructure program is supposed to be financed out of an 82 percent tax credit to hedge funds and others who undertake this investment. But unless one is willing to be patient—to wait three to six years—one has to rely on the long discredited “shovel ready” projects, which may create jobs willy-nilly, but won’t constitute the strategic infrastructure revolution the country needs.

Hedge funds are not noted for their long-term thinking—for them, a quarter is an eternity. Their goal will be to turn a quick buck on the government’s magnanimous offer before Washington wakes up. Here’s what they’ll likely do: they’ll try to privatize whatever public assets can be sold. Of course, from a societal point of view, this is not investment—it’s just changing ownership and control of assets. With the federal government paying 85 cents of every dollar spent in privatization, we can expect a gold rush. Ordinary citizens will pay twice for this gift to the hedge funds: first through the cost of the tax credits, and second through the tolls and fees that private owners will charge to recuperate their “investment.” This is a particularly foolish time to engage in such tax shenanigans, because government can borrow at close to zero interest rates. And it’s not as if the hedge funds have any experience in building and managing infrastructure. The history of such privatizations is disastrous: large numbers of them have failed within a few years, after the funds have taken out their money."

>>716878826
Somebody is always forced to live on minimum wage. If nobody was forced to than nobody would work them. They're a necessary part of our society, and without them your life wouldn't exist as it is now

>>716878766
So doctors should give you free health care? They should be required to examine you every time you get a boo-boo? And I suppose they should only make a certain wage, too. If they make too much, then they are bad people. Is that right? See, everything you just listed relies on other people providing something for you. What do you provide people? Seriously, I pay tens of thousands a year in taxes AND provide jobs for more than a dozen other people, and yet that isn't enough... what do you provide? What makes you an asset to the general population?

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>>716866730
kek

this

>>716876955
7 years ago in Denver. It's pretty easy once give up your spoiled lifestyle living with your parents and realize that beggars can't be choosers.

>>716878766
>We are human beings not animals, and as such we all should have access to housing, food, education and healthcare

No because for the government to provide you with this stuff means it has to steal it from someone else.

>>716879313
By simply reallocating our current income from tax, we could easily have single-payer healthcare: just like every other modern country.

>>716879556
>Who stole it from them

>>716879465
Denver was a whole lot cheaper 7 years ago at least when it came to rent.

>>716865912
>There should be no minimum wage.
Wait until you have a real job before you say stupud shit like this. If there was no minimum wage then over half the population would basically be in indentured servitude. A system like that is not good for anyone but the top 1%.

I make $70/hour as an engineering contractor (more for part time work). So I have no personal interest in propagandizing this subject. But I do love my country and we need a fucking minimum wage.

>>716878653
>Arrive to work 1 hr prior to muster, review previous day's chemistry logs
>standardize probes, perform quick check on chemical expiration dates to verify sat
>go to muster, morning brief, go turn over
>15-30 minute brief, quick tour of station, assume watch
>stand watch for 4 hours, perform hourly logs on a 20 minute logpath, perform 30 minute chemical analyses on one system, perform one analysis on another system that takes ~30 minutes to complete.
>go get chemistry reviewed by supervisor
>clean up watchstation, prepare to turn over to next guy
>30 minute lunch
>2 hours of training/educating nubs
>2 hours of studying for next exam, fixing log packs, performing inventory of chemicals, etc.
>Final 3 hours is performing final boards for qualified students, performing check-boards for unqualified students, giving runtime to the students that scheduled it, and whatever training events they didn't fit into the 2nd half of the day.
>Small variations in daily routine: back to back watches, watch second half instead of first, special monthly chemical analyses, surveys, etc.
>Drive home, run the daily errand on the way home, eat, play vidya, browse /b/, read book, go to bed
>Still get 6 hours of sleep
Sure, I play the system.

Raising the minimum wage wouldn't mean you would be able to afford more. Prices would go up along with unemployment and rent, among other things. All it would do is lower the overall value of the dollar.

>>716878976
Thank you.

>>716879695
A farmer stole your food?
A doctor stole your health?
Maybe a fucking teacher stole your education? (<--this one might actually be true)

>>716879764
Your feelings have no bearing on reality, you dumb fuck.

>>716879859
wrong. try again dipshit.

>>716879465
Denver (urban, upscale, growth) isn't representative of probably 90% of the entire country.

Glad things worked out for you and you were in the right place. But it wasn't you.

>>716879283
Yeah, so work hard and don't get that loser who's stuck in a minimum wage job and you won't have a problem. The weakest will live on shitty minimum wage as they rightfully deserve, if they can't deal with it then it's pretty much only a good thing since that means that natural selection is taking its course. What's the point of helping the helpless who can't even help themselves? They're useless human beings.

>>716880084
Citation needed

>>716879950
>Wall street stole our country
Are you retarded, no one is saying that doctors or farmers make to much, dipshit
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>>716880084
strange then that Australian McDonald's workers get paid the equivalent of $16 with no significant price increases
>its almost as if big corporations are fucking us in the ass

>>716880102
>useless human beings
>they form the base of our economy, and without them it would collapse

>>716865379
I don't think raising the wage is the problem, I think the problem is that jobs don't want to hire full time because of stupid ObamaCare.

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>>716865379
how about no

>>716880195
What does wall street owe you, dipshit? Why are you entitled to their money?

>>716880102
Careful, you wouldn't want to wake up that giant.

>>716879859
This is the line they feed you so that you will obey, and you just accept it.

>>716880384
>It's almost as if they have a higher average cost of living
Stay poor, liberals

>>716880418
>Now they want me to take care of my employees?
>Better find a way around that

>>716879838
that's kind of a gravy job, sitting and waiting for results.

We're talking about minimum wage: cleaning up people's shit (and god are they full of it), mopping floors, stocking shelves, taking peoples fucking dirty money and pleasantly offering a "thank you" for the 300th time that day and pretending to give a shit, and throwing that 800th hamburger on the grill and not getting burnt.

>>716865379
The answer is not to raise the MW so damned high, but to put a lid on predatory rents. I live in the Orlando area and the rents for studios between 400 and 500 sqft are 700 to 775 and 1 bedrooms at 600 or more sqft run 850+

You cannot live in central florida with even a $12 / hr job (I make 12.50 at Amscot) unless you have a roommate making the same.

Apts around here want 3-4 times the rent in monthly income, and generally want 1st month, last, and 1 months rent as a deposit up front.

Since housing is a basic human right, the gov could enact pricing caps that make it feasible for one to live on their own

>>716880411
No, low-lives who get stuck with minimum wage and can't survive on it don't do shit for the economy. It's good that they disappear because otherwise the economy can't evolve.

>>716865379
decrease cost of living

>>716880624
But housing is not a basic human right. If you dont like it, earn more or move.

>>716880100
Nothing's stopping you from moving to a city. If you can't survive on minimum wage, that's still your fault.

>>716880493
Why are they entitled to live in our country and fuck us. It's almost as if you don't understand that the reason for a society is to improve the people's lives.

>>716878979
lol easier said than done