>the new F35 is expected to cost 40 million dollars now the

the target specs have changed, again and again.

(plus, it has more computing power in each one than the entire USAF had in 1980. that sort of tech gets very expensive, very quickly.)

>>716269482
they overpromised?
they underestimated their ability
scope creep
incompetence
who knows

>>716269482
we all are paying for it, so they just don't fucking care

>>716269482
It's keeping your ass free and safe. You shouldn't care how much it costs and whatever it does cost, you should count out your cash with a smile on your face

I work for the UK prime contractor. LM are inefficient and over promised as a next gen hey on last gen tech. Eurofighter is a better option

>>716269921
yea, if you wanna get picked off by a russian

they're including cost of R&D in the per-plane price and they're buying less planes than expected, also in part because AFAIK the government actually bought the research so they can have anyone build something with it at a whim.

>>716270040
I work on them everyday. I know the F35 STOVL, CTOL and CV inside out.

>>716270081
that doesnt sound atypical to defence tech/projects

>>716270172
oh whatever. also who cares, who needs a fighter jet to fight dune coons living in mud huts?

>>716269921
Let me clarify this Anons statement.
Eurofighter is a cheaper option, not better.

>>716270501
It puts money into unmanned drone R&D. It's a cash cow for defence companies.

>>716269872
Propaganda workers united. Fuck you.

>>716269482
It's a combination of factors. The first one is that the air force brass are trying to make a swiss army shotgun of an abomination of a plane - make it the best at everything all at once. One of the primary areas where this is already causing big problems is that it's laughably supposed to replace the A10 in a ground support role despite having no armor, no loiter capability, less payload, much worse low speed turning performance, and far less system redundancy/safety margin. It might do better in an air superiority role.

In addition to this idiotic set of goals, the contractor and the pentagon have settled on a development process where production is being done in parallel with design... meaning that the first planes out of the gate are guaranteed to need refits or major design changes later. They're not calling them prototypes, they're actually calling them series production despite this.

I don't have a lot of faith in Lockheed martin to not milk the contract for all it's worth, but I think the pentagon has also started this program with deeply flawed goals and then proceeded to move the goalposts along the way.

>>716270868
the airforce has been trying to kill the warthog for ages now. why?

It's supposed to meet specifications for three branches of the military: the Air Force, Navy and Marines. Which means it has to be an air superiority fighter that can also take off from an aircraft carrier and provide ground strike capability for ground troops. It was always meant to be an absurdly expensive plane, but it's also supposed to replace about 5 different obsolete aircraft all these branches already use.

It's the most absurdly expensive weapons system in human history, but we can't really stop making it now. The time to cancel production was about 10 years ago. Now it's too late. We've already spent hundreds of billions on the development and it's already coming off the production line and we're preparing to sell it to our allies.

>>716271466
allow me to give you the full quote from Lockheed Martin.
>the driving force behind the F35 is cost reduction. the new F35 is expected to cost 40 million dollars or about 1/3 the cost of the F22

>>716271851
i bet thats per unit on an estimated maximum rosy number.
if you compare total capex it will be a different story
dont bullshit a bullshitter

>>716269872
Fuck that. The military can't just write a check this big without having to justify why. Especially when the average infantryman is working with a rifle in terrible mechanical condition.

Fielding this kind of aircraft when the US doesn't even fight countries with a working air force just doesn't seem cost effective. Why not push modifications for the F22 for another five years or so?

>>716270501
No one needs to, you fucking mongoloid.
It's fucking awesome dropping LGBs onto people who couldn't even comprehend the level of precision at which you are eliminating them.
It's also safer.

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>>716270040
Quantity has a quality all its own.

>>716272276
jesus christ, i know the economy is rough in Russia, but you would think they could at least afford to wash the planes they already have

>>716272406
Those planes will be washed with american blood

>>716272406
Winter is cold, comrade, and de-icing gear cost as much as many vodka. Plane must fly, and liver must be punished. There is no other way.

>>716271042
Low, slow, and fixed-wing CAS is an ancient concept (and dangerous).
They should've replaced it ages ago, but there's not many machines that do the whole
>what's that sound
>everyone is now pink, dirty goo
deal very well. We're also fighting people who have to literally reinvent the wheel every time they want a military advantage. Their widespread technological incapability allows us to run ancient tactics like the strafe run with great success despite it's clear danger.
They were also developed as tank killers.
I had an old math teacher that flew Phantoms and could see opposing forces attempting to swivel their anti-air turrets 180 degrees in order to return fire as he flew past. They could not swivel fast enough to catch escaping jets with kinetic projectiles. Obviously it's not technological inability alone that allows us to use the A10, but that's a part of it. If we were fighting regulars with logistical support, I would expect more precision strikes from higher altitudes or even cruise missiles instead of fixed-wing assets.

>>716269872
Coming from a veteran, you're a boot licking fucking faggot

>>716272276
>quantity can't be brought to it's knees by quality

>>716269482
The plane is also a piece of shit, I have a relative doing test flights on it. It's very sketchy to fly and has very many parts failures often.
Pretty much an overpriced death trap.

>>716272933
its a brand new plane. there are bounds to be bugs that have to be worked out

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>>716272910
>doesn't remember world war 2

Rush strats work really well if you have the economy to support the units you're producing.

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>>716273023
>>716273275

I like this guy.

>>716269482
...and the best part is many or most test pilots and military officials say it's basically a POS!!!

>>716272106
>Especially when the average infantryman is working with a rifle in terrible mechanical condition.

I read somewhere that the basic berreta 9mm some service men were using has worn out springs and bolts. These are common issues with repeated shooting and abuse.
Now ask yourself. You gonna trust that pistol when your life depends on it. And its not Berettas fault. The military would rather build these ubsurdly exspensive planes then provide basic maintenance.
And also, it wasnt that long ago the Army was having its own troops weld on metal plates to humvees.

>>716273023
Why not dump some money into the warthog instead, and update it.
Save a shit load of money

>>716273550
My one friend was an MP, and her pistol had a warped barrel. It shot left. Sometimes a lot.

Not to mention rack slap bang. New rifles for everybody would do wonders for the military for the next ten years. Infantry is incredibly cheap to field next to things like modern fighter/bombers or main battle tanks.

>>716273350
It's a slow flying brick because of the to the stealth meme. Even the Raptor is better. Not even talking about Russian planes. But it carries more weapons than any of them.

>Can't even keep population healthy and educated
>Has hundreds of billions of dollars to waste on pointless military shit every year

America is such a parody of a country, how can you be the richest country in the history of civilisation and still have third world tier standards of life

>>716272787
>kinetic projectiles
well memed

>>716269872
At this moment it's doing jack shit you inbred mongoloid

>>716273736
It's a simple concept in a reliable airframe. The a-10 is not my favorite plane, by far. It lacks the agility of aircraft like the f14, the precision of the b2.

But sometimes, what you really need is a sledgehammer. The a10 delivers.

>>716274208
What exactly does the A-10 deliver that other, more advanced airframes are unable to?

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Lets say Country X is about to drop its f/a-18c from service, and would think of the following options
-Eurofighter
-Gripen
-Super Hornet
-f35
-Perhaps something Russian?

Which would be the best?
The FA18, country X had before, served for the entire life cycle of the plane. And it can be expected from the next planes as well

>>716270501
topkek this

>>716272406
These are actually prototypes using different engines than planned. That's why they are no painted at all and the plane itself looks so gritty.

>>716270501
They happen to be the current villain of the week. What makes you think we won't be fighting a different enemy--perhaps a more conventional one--five or ten years down the line?

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>>716274370
Lead.

>>716269872
What is Military Industrial Complex?

>>716274410
you either try to extend your fa18 lifetime or you look at your fleet and structure of your air force and decide on a plane thats best suits yours needs, your needs being that similar to the fa18

>>716273023
>>716273275
>>716273345
Any of you coons played A10-Cuba? Shit was cash

>>716274706
Kek, ask any CAS pilot if they'd rather do a gun run from 1000 meters or drop a JDAM from 10,000 meters. What do you think they'll say?

the whole thing even sounds like a con
>do you have a large aging fleet all the expensive problems that go along with it?
>are you tired of having to train x different sets of people for each plane?
>boy do i have the solution for you. introducing the unbelieveable, magical, amazing 5 in one plane. it can do it all.
>boy it costs so such tho
>oh think of all the savings when you remove all those other planes and replace them with this

>>716275007
Sometimes it's not about what the pilot wants, it's about what's cost effective. That bomb costs much, much more than the cannon ammunition for the damage it causes. If there's not much in the area (or the country, for that matter) that can effectively shoot at the plane, then guns it is.

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>>716269872

>It's keeping your ass free and safe.

Yeah, it will the Taliban from raiding Pear Habor with their carrier fleet.

>>716275308
TIL putting aircraft and pilots lives at risk is "cost-effective".

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>Russia develops successful 5th gen fighter on time, and within reasonable budget
>China develops successful 5th gen fighter on time, and within reasonable budget

>Murricans spend FUCKING TRILLION to arrive too late to the party with a jet that's not yet fully operational

JUST

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>>716272709

>Those planes will be washed with american blood

Oh shut up. Putin just had Trump win the election. He doesn't need a war to rule America.

>>716275654
>successful 5th gen fighter

Topkek, Russian PAK FA hasn't even finished development and J-20 has just started active service. Meanwhile the US has had a fifth gen air superiority fighter for ten years.

Op is wrong. 85 mil per by 2019. Awesome aircraft... I have 12,000+ hrs into it.

>>716274736
No doubt, the twin engine magnificense and glory of that which is F/A-18 is what is needed.
I dont think there is anything other than the already aged Super Hornet on the market.
Is there?

>Lockheed Martin
They're the same jackoffs that designed the LCS for the USN, which is another failure of a program.

>>716276404
Post unit patch and partially covered CAC or you're a lying piece of shit.

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>>716276124
By 2014, the program was "$163 billion over budget [and] seven years behind schedule."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

meanwhile, pic related

>>716272406
Many kieks

>>716272829
How was it being water sanitation?

>>716274728
Something that helps the economy.

Bullshit, it was a scam from the beginning to convert taxpayer money into corporate profit.

>>716274370
Low speed movement, high durability from bombs fragments and bullet fire.
Shit, one was shot all to hell and it still managed to land and deliver its pilots to a safety. No f35 could ever handle that abuse.

>>716276869
T-50, that mystical flying rock will never fly just like most "modernized" Russian armaments. Everything past 1995 never goes into full production. T90ms, t-50, carriers, ect. ect.

>>716276869
This is due to the f35s electronics. They say it has 360° views from the cockpit

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>spending hundreds of millions of dollars on machines designed to kill and fuel oil industry/wars

how is this a thing? what the fuck happened? 300,000,000 could do a lot of good for the world, and instead, THIS... the most impact it has on any one of us is the noise. i want to remove myself from the world. :(

>>716277917
From an era where it was literally to do such, I'm sorry we aren't invading countries that have armor columns anymore. The gau-8 isn't accurate enough for CAS, and I feel the guys on the ground would want a laser guided bomb more than a fucking 30mm explosive shell that's meant to target tanks not ir strips.

>>716278239
>i want to remove myself from the world. :(
then do it, pussy. the rest of us will be men and slaughter some muslim savages. THAT betters the world.

>>716278120
It's been flying since 2014. Hell, it was even present on air shows.

>>716278348
meant to
>>716278055

>>716270868
This entirely.

The Pentagon essentially bought the WarZ of planes. Pay for early access, and then keep paying to fix mistakes.

Normally, the process is like this:
1 - Hey, here's an idea for a plane and a prototype and budget
2 - hey, here are issues, fix them and come back
3 - here is the next design
4 - repeat 2 and 3 until desired result
5 - Good job, here's the paycheck

>>716278372
https://warisboring.com/russia-s-stealth-fighter-is-in-serious-trouble-24ac3ef85227#.kmd96v5h2
They aren't going into mass production. Give it a year or two, just like the t90ms they make a few prototypes then never produce it and make a new prototype like the t-14 amarta

>>716278239
>>716278348
>>716278249
How can you justify spending 1 trillion over 10 years on a fucking plane.
A plane thats obsolete given it holds a pilot. Even fighter jet pilots openly admit drones are the future
Removing the pilot enables the ability to pull more Gs

>>716275007
You apparently haven't talked to many A-10 Pilots.

Firing the canon literally makes their world go-round.

You can drop bombs and fire missiles from any old plane, but there's only one plane that fires the GAU8.

>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

>>716273946
Because we are the United Corporations of America!

There's no money in healthy people. Big pharma profits are more important.

Schools are vastly underfunded.
Large masses of idiots are easily influenced. Just keep them scared that the other side is gonna take their guns and or religion. Look at our most recent elections. SMH

In Americuh we have some of the brightest most innovative minds in the world. Unfortunately the stupid people are out-breeding the rest of us.

Trumptards everywhere. It's like the movie Idiocracy, just real!

Gonna get a lot worse soon. Only weeks till the retards leader is sworn in

Buckle up

>>716278348
Actually its first flight was in 2010.
>>716278628
Likely, but considering the growing political tension and that an order for 55 planes is already placed... It doesn't really count though, as it's still using a different engine. The real T-50 is expected only in 2018.

>>716278724
No actually drones aren't reliable enough. Why do you think they haven't made jet powered drones? They cut out from satalite coverage far too much for the speeds of a jet. It's cheaper and less of a risk for a human pilot.

>>716278239
These aircrafts will save us from the combine invasion you idiot.
We need to defend our planet

>>716278979
Obviously you didn't read the arrival, they canceled the original 55 planes. Lowering the final amount. They are gonna keep doing that until the next generation.

>>716279191
Seems like YOU didn't. The article says 52 planes, and it's 1.5 years old.

>>716278917
My issue is with what they are doing with the budget they are spending.
Basic infantry grunts are using ahit from the 90s. Hell, in 2000, they were using barracks from ww2 era. It appears the only branch that recieves money is the airforce and navy. And the airforce aucks resources up like a vacume cleaner to the wallet.

If you think about it, it's basically free.
All you have to do is refurbish and sell the old jets that it replaces.
-it's a better interceptor than the F-18
-a better bomber than the A-10
-a better stealth fighter than the F-117
-a better multirole jet than the F-15
-has a stronger radar than the AWACS

If you sell all of the outdated shit to Europe and other third world countries, you make up for the cost of the F-35 and even turn a profit.

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>>716279050
Are you some special kind of stupid?

A fully autonomous plane does not need a constant satellite link, you flailing retard.

>>716279424
>-a better bomber than the A-10
>Better BOMBER
>A-10
>A <> B

Why is this thread filled with so many people who haven't even the slightest clue of what they're blabbing about. It's cringeworthy.

The A-10 has a far better airframe.
Would have been far easier to just slap a radar on the A-10 and some AIM-120, then it could be the best multirole jet in existence.

>>716279495
Ive heard they can loiter up to 24-36 hours
No human can do that and stay combat effective in a moments notice

>>716279641
>it was literally designed to drop bombs on enemy tanks in case Russians invade Europe
>not a bomber
It's far too slow to be a fighter, dummy.

>>716279495
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/06/20/when-drones-fall-from-the-sky/
AI PLANES IS THIS STEALTH?? DO YOU WANT ME TO GO INVADE NORTH KOREA WITH WILL SMITH?? fucking idiot.

>>716273145
>posts low quality tank
Its the T34 not the Sherman that fucked over germany, while being cheap being also a good tank

>>716272910
That's what the Nazis thought

>>716279641
>why this thread
Where in the fuck do you think you are?
This is the toilet bowl of the internet.
Sometimes we get a jem of a thread like this

>>716279642
This has potential.
They could replace that oversized machine gun in the A-10's nose with a radar, it cannot penetrate armor made after the '70s anyway.

>>716279368
When the original production amount was 200 a few years ago.

>>716279718
It's a flying 30mm gun. You can even attach some bombs/missiles. What more do you want? A-10 is amazing for it's purpose, F-35 will never be able to replace it.

>>716273736
They've already done that actually, they extended the life-span of our a-10s because they found them extremely effective on support missions in the middle east.

>>716279718
Holy fuck you must be trolling.

0/10.

It was one of the ONLY planes ever designed around a cannon. (the GAU8).

The A- designation means it's an attack aircraft, not a bomber. There is a very YUGE difference...

You stand completely and utterly corrected.

Now run along child.

>>716279765
>Cheap
>US produced more than half of them.

>>716279642
Thats what i have been saying
>wat is defense budget
>not spending billlions, losing it in future budgets
Dad served in the late 70s Army. Said if you didnt use the ammo and resources allocated to your unit. Then next year, you got less. So they went out in a field and basically shot the fuck outta innocent trees and mound hills.
>dat army training

>>716279970
Pretty sure all military jets are meant for attack, but the A-10 is still a bomber.
It can't even carry anti-air missiles, how could it possibly be fighter?

>>716279953
It's not meant to. It's a multi role fighter to do what the MBT did to the light, medium, heavy tank.

>>716273946

An Ipad would cost about 14,000 to make in a first world country.

The point being that your entire livelihood is based around readily available technology and resources. You wouldn't be able to sit here and wax political all day long if you had to drop out in the third grade and work 16 hours a day in India providing the aforementioned resource base.

Your entire standard of living is maintained through uncle sams MIC.

>>716272406
They probably haven't hit their 14 day yet...

>>716280205
The A designation means it's a GROUND ATTACK aircraft.... are you some special kind of stupid.

Look it up you dumbass.

And there are tons of military jets that don't have weapons.

Fuck christmas needs to hurry up and end. Christmas break is shitposting galore.

>>716270501
>being so narrow minded you only think we will be fighting non conventional wars for the next 30 years.

Wow you're right.

>>716274410
Dude, the supers we have are tired as fuck.

>>716280357
That's exactly what I said. Bombers ARE ground attack aircraft. Did you assume that I thought they bombed the sky or what?

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>>716270868
The Air Force is not in control of the project.. that is the point. The DoD is, its supposed to be a fighter to fit the needs of all branches.. hence the "savings'.

ALSO, plot twist becuase 99 percent of this thread know nothing about aviation. Every new plane we have ever made has gone over budget and has had issues.

>>716280249
Not true. Apple said a US made ipad would cost $1500.
Just little profit for Apple to sell in the US.
They are making a killing having them made in China
Im surprised our fighterjets arnt made in China.

>>716280249
>An iPad would cost about 14 000 to make in a first world country.
No, cost of labor is a very small factor in production of consumer electronics. Or clothes. Or toys, or whatever. If anything, environmental and safety regulations make it drastically more expensive to produce here, but probably not even that so much. It's just that if you're looking for maximum profit, then you'll save the few cents/Dollars of labor costs per unit as it will add up to millions considering how much you produce.

>>716279765
>because the only thing that can destroy a tank is another tank

Why do people get so obnoxiously ignorant about WW2? We get it, you don't like America.

>>716269482
That image looks to be a F-22 raptor anon

>>716280249
The main reason electronics are made in China is because they need a shitton of rare metals that are mined in China because the process of mining them absolutely destroys the environment.
Of course China forbids their export, so you either have to build the factory there or move the mines too to the west with absurd costs of cleaning up after them.

Are you actually fucking retarded? The F-35 per aircraft is around 100-120 million per aircraft. Which is less than the F-22 and many modern aircraft. We did not spend 1.5 trillion dollars on the F-35. That is the projected cost of the 55 year life span of the aircraft that includes operation cost, logistic cost, and maintenance cost over that length of time.

>>716269482
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the F35 is supposed to be highly modifiable to whichever role the AF needs it to fill. It's appeal is that it's like a jack of all trades. For example, they can modify it for ground support missions or for enforcing no-fly zones. The problem with this is.. as some critics have pointed out is that it will be like a "jack of all trades - but a master of none." If that makes any sense. It'll replace the a-10 and F15 but it won't be much better than an F22 in aerial combat. As a result of this "opinion" they've been changing the specs to give the F35 more of an edge over other aircraft.

>>716280427
Please stop, you are embarrassing yourself.

Attack aircraft (whose designations begin with "A") are typically close air support aircraft designed to provide aerial support for ground units in contact with the enemy. These aircraft typically fly lower and slower than fighters, and are designed to fly longer missions, remaining over a target area for longer durations to provide extended support for friendly troops. Their missions usually involve providing on-call support, typically by being in contact with ground units who assist them in locating and destroying ground threats. These aircraft can typically carry more munitions than multirole fighters, which are more typically tasked for "in-and-out" strike missions, rather than on-call close air support missions of an extended duration. They can also be more maneuverable at low speeds, allowing them to negotiate terrain at low altitude to stay masked from enemy fire.

The most typical modern example of this is the A-10 "Warthog," which doesn't even have a radar and only carries basic heat-seeking missiles for defense. In the past, the A-1 Skyraider and A-7 Corsair served as excellent examples of this role.

There is no designation of strike aircraft (only strike missions), but closely related are bomber aircraft (designations beginning with "B"), which are much larger than fighters and attack aircraft, and are designed to carry large payloads of bombs or missiles to effect damage over a larger area or hit a larger number of targets in one sortie. These aircraft are also capable of flying longer distances to strike more distant targets. Examples include the B-1 Lancer, B-2 Spirit, and B-52 Stratofortress, all of which carry large numbers of bombs or air-to-ground missiles.

>>716280857
Ahhh my god.

The plane is not just for the AF. You dumb fucks, other branches have fucking planes. Its meant to fit the needs of all the branches

.. to save money.

>>716280737
Pretty sure the F22 doesn't have the crease through the nose cone.

>>716273946
Have you even been to the US?
Its fucking great here, freedom of speech, religion, and the natural right to bear arms. This country is the only one setup to last.

>>716280952
Ahh, yeah. My mistake.

I just meant to articulate the opinion of some of the F35's critics. I should've worded it better.

>>716279995
When I served, every September there was a massive spending spree in order to use up what was left of the budget before the end of the fiscal year. Use it or lose it a shit tier budgeting method.

>>716274370
It makes your enemies into pink dust. Its a flying tank. That aircraft is one of the most dependable peices of weaponry the us military owns. Hence why its been in action for so long.

>>716281087
Its fine.

And its not meant to compete with the F22 at all. The F22 is the prize of the USAF, it is meant to be strictly one thing, to gain air superiority. It would not be around in great numbers, but the technological advancements are supposed to make up for the lack of numbers.

>>716281091
I heard this as well, pretty sure its still true. Thats when they buy stupid shit like office equipment, etc.

They need to rid that whole policy. AF here.

>>716274691
Weve been in open war in the middle east for 15 years man. The muslims have been a problem to the world for 4000 years.

>>716276746
Weapons systems design... my program shirt and challenge coins are home... Needless to say it's a jack of all trades master of none yet it blows away anything except F22 ( different CONOPS) excluding UAVs.

>>716275007
>Kek, ask any CAS pilot if they'd rather do a gun run from 1000 meters or drop a JDAM from 10,000 meters. What do you think they'll say?
Ask any infantry unit under fire if they would rather have an A-10 take shots 50 meters from them after visually verifying its targets, or have some multirole jet drop two bombs from 10km high and return to base after running out of fuel in 10 minutes.

>>716275470
You are a sad faggot.

>>716269683
>plus, it has more computing power in each one than the entire USAF had in 1980

so is my home computer

It's because the design is horrible due to appeasment to fit guidelines set by non-engineer elected officials of the DoD. They literally picked the worst and least capable system because Douglass model failed due to a technicality (and ultimatly killed the company) and Boeing was ugly.
So they settled on the worst possible mechanism. Meanwhile, they treated it like an indy early access game, adding feature after feature over a prolonged development, thus compiling bugs, instability, and more impossible nonsense.
But since it was a government contract and Lockeed had the DoD by the balls, they kept doing it.
They could lose the deal now and still get away with a disgusting amount of money. I have to agree with the orange clown on this one: sue for contract violation.. cancel project, liquidate Lockeed assets into new company.

>>716281377
>the muslims have been a problem to the world for 4000 years
Retard. Islam is younger than Christianity.

>>716281452
ask any tax payer if they would rather spend 2 million dollars to drop 2 bombs in the desert, or 500k for a good 4 hours of support with that hits verified targets in real time.

>>716275470
>when niggers make a meme
Not even once

>>716281556
> I have to agree with the orange clown on this one: sue for contract violation.. cancel project, liquidate Lockeed assets into new company.

1930's are calling for their nationalist meme back

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>>716281911
What they did was racketeering on a federal scale.

>>716274370
It has a gun, a loud gun. It's like a modern day war drum.

Really though, it's outdated and slow and really specific in it's use.

>>716279765
neither the T34 or sherman fucked germany, ground vs ground forces, germany won nearly every battle regardless of odds, allied fighters and production bombing is what fucked them.

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>>716279714
You must be new to war son

>>716282051
For it's intended purpose it's not outdated in the very least and still the most capable CAS aircraft in existence.

Watch the movie Pentagon Wars it explains it pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA&t=1s

>>716282098
Yeah theyve been using amphetamines since a LONG time ago... like WW1/WW2 days...

It was most recently blamed for the accident the US pilots claimed was responsible for them accidentally dropping bombs killing 4 Canadians.

While it may make you be able to stay going, it doesn't mean you are effective, or not more prone to making mistakes.

>>716270501
>all we'll ever fight is dumbass jihadis with last-century tech and materiel.
You're absolutely right, until the day when you're wrong.
Then the modern military you'll be fighting will cave your shit in and you'll be France in WWII-conquered and wondering what the fuck happened.

>>716272276
Yes, but when mere quantity meets QUALITY in quantity, well, see above.

>>716282039
it's not illegal if you have enough lobbyists,
oil, corn farmers, private prisons, health insurance, etc. all run on this system.

>>716282039
What they did was racketeering on a federal scale.
>t. Hitler about the jews

>>716274370
loitering
target visibility
huge payload of precision munitions
low cost of operation
incredibly high survivability against threats
of our enemies (manpads, AAA)
Turns on a fucking dime
low speed
endurance

A-10 pilots will talk directly to force leads on the ground, allowing the pilot to be an extention of ground forces. Although any plane can do this, only the A-10 can put the words to visual data which allows the pilot to engage targets in an evolving situation with little or no setup. Effectively, it acts like airborne armored support.. it can't be hit like a helicopter, and it can go over again and again and again, hitting different spots without assistance of a JTAC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfWuKse2LwI

>>716269482
This thread has been brought to you by Lockheed Martin

>>716282433
>comparing a single company with an ethnicity.
by that logic:
>corporate competition is murder
>anti-monopoly laws are affirmative action
>

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>>716269851
This

>>716269482
40 mill, 300 mill. What's the difference? No one is going to stand up and say they are not paying for it.

>>716269482
The F22 was 10x better.

>>716281689
>implying muslim=islam
The people following the religion, not the religion.
They have been around much longer than the religion, most were jews before islam.

>>716282716
>Not realizing that Germany took corporations from Jews, "Because they were ripping us off"

>>716282994
Your deflection is sad and pathetic.
I am talking liquidating a single company that directly and contractually ripped off the US government and the tax payers. What you are talking about is ethnic persecution on the grounds that ALL companies owned by a certain race of people are violating business standards.
I am talking about a legal suit for the contract violation.
DoD vs Lockeed.

>>716283199
What contract violation? Show a source that they violated it

>>716283199
Which to include, would not be surprised if he's saying all this shit against defense contractors to short stock, you have no idea what is actually going on

>>716282901
Muslim literally means a follower of Islam, you troll

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>>716272709
sick edge vlad

>>716283442
for one, the illegal use of lobbying to alter and change contracts, which they made a shit settlement that used only a small amount that they stole.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/08/24/after-allegations-that-it-lobbied-with-federal-money-to-block-competition-lockheed-martin-agrees-to-pay-almost-5-million/?utm_term=.0db85eabd1adhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/08/24/after-allegations-that-it-lobbied-with-federal-money-to-block-competition-lockheed-martin-agrees-to-pay-almost-5-million/?utm_term=.0db85eabd1ad

It wouldn't be a contract violation as much as it would be racketeering. Writing a contract, then using bribes, blackmail (which they do with their important subsystems 'if you don't buy this we stop selling you this other thing you actually need") and general contract manipulation.
It would more be racketeering than anything.

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>>716272709
I zozzled
There is no need to fight comrade.
Let's both work together to kill jihadis.

>>716283587
Boeing is already been put on the edge of military things. If he was smart her would ice boeing since they would still sell to commercial. After the F-35 program forced the government to blackmail allies into buying it instead of the SE, then shutting down Boeing's ability to further develop the F-15 airframe. Boeing has already decided to completely end military projects if their new trainer isn't purchased.

Oh man, you should hear the SE story, it is fucking gold.

They know something we dont

>>716284042
>Lockheed Martin pays $4.7 million to settle charges it lobbied for federal contract with federal money
>Nothing about blackmail
>Actually about an energy facility, and not the jets
>2008 and 2012
Please

>>716284366
It proves that they are using sketchy lobbying practices. They need to be investigated at the very fucking least.

>>716269482
he wants the us to buy it . what else . the armor lobby pais him a mil and hel tell any shit on tv they want

fun fact:
when both aggressors use the same information and battle networking systems, the F-35 loses to F-15's and F-18's in specs, simulated combat, and physical practice scenarios.
Almost
every
time.

Oh and it costs way more.

>>716284477
>It proves that they are using sketchy lobbying practices. They need to be investigated at the very fucking least.

That I may agree upon, but to instantly claim they bribe and blackmail is bullshit. That is what is wrong with this country, is no one cares about evidence or proof, it's instantly what you believe is the truth, and everyone else is a liar.

>>716280537
>Im surprised our fighterjets arnt made in China.
Half the cost is keeping the design out of China's hands in the first place.

>>716269482
Blow and hookers mate. Lookheed martin gotta finanxe it somehow you know

>>716284746
I don't wanna go into detail because i was told not to 'really talk about it'
But i have close family who works in this particular mess.
It's actually happening, but nobody wants to talk about it because so much money and safety is on the line.. not to mention many powerful people already .. ugh.. shilled.... quite literally tho.

>>716284965
I get what you're saying, but I can easily say I know Donald trump and he's an actual cuck. I can also say I'm a Nigerian prince. There's a lot of truth that comes out on the internet, but without evidence to back it up, it should be taken carefully. Everyone is shilling for something.

Also what the fuck is romantic about any of these images?

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>>716285356
You can't believe me, but I can believe me.
It's not as difficult to believe as it sounds. You grease a few gears at the top and you can change contracts all you want. That's really all it is. I don't actually know if that could be considered racketeering in this regard, but i know if it was business against business it would. That is why filing a suit is a good idea.

>>716285356
>Also what the fuck is romantic about any of these images?
the feels anon, the feels...

>>716282324
canadians are fucking faggots

it was about time some of them died. it's even better that it was at our hands.

we lose way too many people defending that faggot country.

>>716285872
>we lose way too many people defending that faggot country.
but why do you view it this way?


>>716285533
Yeah, I mean I'd be down for an investigation

>>716286709
the wheels of freedom are greased with american blood.

do you see the problem with that? i do

i am going to beat the fucking shit out of the next canadian i see.

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>>716286897
if you kill Canadians, they win