With more and more jobs being automated in America, while the

>Socialism: the radical idea of stealing

>>716167422
Kek, dubs of truth

>>716167290
Capitalism should be regulated, there must be a balance between left and right: both extremes are bad, be it neoliberalism or socialism

>>716167290

>giving money to people that don't work

yea I know, automation, etc etc

doesn't change anything, you don't give money to people who don't work

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>>716167290
...or the usa can just cull its excess and useless population?

>>716167290

>wealth distribution

>because the poor need to be poorer while the rich become richer

>>716167290
Kill the useless people.

>>716167290
Sharing is fucking gay, especially mandatory sharing. I always hated buying my snack just for me at school and having to share with the whole damn class

>>716167290
That shit is making things fucking worse.

>>716167652
>This man endorses crony capitalism because he thinks it sounds agreeable

>>716167778
EAT THE RICH, TEAR THEIR FLESH FROM BONES, TAKE EVERYTHING FROM THEM

i think we're going to end up with 20% rich people, 5% super rich, 1% ultra rich, and everyone else trailer trash getting government welfare payments.

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>>716167290
Give ONE good reason why the usa should not cull the bottom 10% of its population.
Thanks.

>>716167290
just start to fucking work you fucking lasy shit, get a job and work hard. stop being greedy for someone else money

>>716168070
they have the right to not be killed? i think they should be exiled rather than killed. let mexico have them.

>>716167980

>goverment welfare payments

but who will provide it,we would end with the so called "20 percent super rich"leaving the country,the 5 percent super rich will leave the country and the 1 percent ultra rich will do the same

socialism is a failed idea because people generally dont want to share the things they worked hard for with the ones who will never expierance a hard days work in there lives

>>716167919
You mean the people who make the usa work? Those folks YOU rely on?

>>716167766
Automation makes all manufacturing, and other business for that matter, cheaper and more efficient. You expect prices will go down accordingly?

If the money isn't distrulibuted evenly, it'll end up in the pockets of owners. I for one think it's sad that people have been conned to support this idea.

>>716167290
Shooting people who try to distribute my wealth.

>>716168127
Maybe.
And if nobody else wants to take them?

>>716168138
the taxes on the top quarter will provide it. they'll be rich enough because they own all the robots that do the real work. i dont want this future, its just what i see coming.

>>716168220
then let them starve i guess

>>716168192

sad or not, regardless

you don't pay people who don't work

>>716168264

>taxes

>literally didnt read a word that i typed

the tax payers will either end up poor,or they will leave the country

>>716168264
Oh good... now they've all moved to Europe.
What next, Einstein?

>>716168342
every advanced country pays people who dont work. im not supporting it, but stating that its an empirical fact. even most companies pay some employees that do nothing.

>>716168308
Problem?

>>716168403
Not... by... choice.

>>716168403

and that is a mistake, and thus the scientific evidence to my assertion as to why you don't pay people who don't work

>>716168350
>>716168387
where are they going to go? europe where the situation is the same? algeria? india? year right

>>716168342
>>716168403

they pay people who dont work because its a better alternative then those people who dont work stealing and robbing you for the stuff they want instead

this is why welfare was invented regardless you like it or not

>>716168489
you're fairly confused, how old are you?

>>716167290
Yea. The poor starve and a golden era of the super-rich emerges.

>>716168580

what are you 12?

>>716168533
it doesnt work though, plenty of people on social welfare are still criminals.

>>716168514

just because it works in your liberal fantasy land doesnt mean it works in real life

people have left countrys that decided to try socialism before,and its why 95 percent of them look like 3rd world shit holes

>>716168514
But you are discussing the usa.
Stick to the usa's problems.
Or are you saying it only works after a one-world government is in place?

I'm sorry where you even present the past 8 years?

>>716168624

fine,take away the poor's welfare checks.dont come crying to the gun owners to save you from them robbing you for there money instead

>>716168533

welfare is a mistake, you pay people who don't work and they still steal and rob others anyway

>>716168581
>Let the poor die.
This seems like it would be part of how the guillotine got invented.

>>716168634
Where did you get the idea that the world I describe is the one I want or support?

Further, do you understand how socialist Europe and America already are and are becoming? It's called democratic socialism and it's fairly prevalent in the West.

>>716168192
>you expect prices will go down accordingly?
Well if any other company wants to have more sales then the others then OF FUCKING COURSE THEYLL GO DOWN

>>716168683

so what would be your solution to the problem then,taking away there welfare will just cause more of them to steal and rob others

>>716168533
Actually, they created their systems because they didn't want folks starving in the gutters and old folks dying in poverty.

But look where it leads?

>>716167290
Eh. I don't really care about things being more automated considering my job is to install and repair robots, so my job is safe for quite a while.

>>716167290
Sharing is what you decide to do with YOUR stuff. If you decide to do it with MY stuff, it is not sharing, it is just stealing.

Also, wealth inequality getting larger is not of necessity a bad thing. If the rich became twice as wealthy and the poor did too, the gap would be larger, but the poor would be better off.

social welfare payments should be extremely meager to encourage people to find an alternative. right now it's only encouraging trans-generational poverty.

>>716167879
This. The problem is its mandatory, now if you dont "share" men with guns will come to your home and lock you away.

>>716168806
If all work ends up automated, then we'll basically all be this dude.

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>>716168827
if everyone gained x2 wealth, inequality would be the same, dumbass.

1/2 = .5
2/4 = .5

>>716168681
Then the owners of businesses, residents of homes or their automated guns, blow new holes in the faces of the thieving hordes.
Problem?

>>716168735

there's no such thing as democratic socialism, in the west we are seeing a gradual takeover by the left who will foolishly lead us back to communism

no one democratically chooses to let the government steal from it's citizens, this idea of democratic socialism is a lie perpetuated by the leftists

Capitalism: The ideal that compulsory sharing mandated by the state is tyranny.

>>716168987
:/ i think you might benefit from backing off your ideology just for the sake of argument

>>716168950
Who says the useless humans automatically get a x2 bonus?

>>716169044
Capitalism: lie, cheat, steal and as long as you don't get caught it's all good. you're a "job creator"

Socialism: lie, cheat, steal and as long as you don't get caught it's all good. we have to protect "vulnerable minorities"

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>>716168779

remove the threat, to hell with your bleeding heart

society has always stood on foundations of skulls and bones, the only reason we are in the current shape that we are in is because leftists made promises that can't be kept, the toll will come due and the piper will be paid in one bloody form or another

be angry with the dead fools who first instituted the scam of welfare for all I care, but don't try to guilt me for it

if it hurts you so much then give up your wealth to those people then, but don't encourage a government that steals my income and calls it "taxes" and pretends it was democracy that made it happen all while we pass $21 trillion in debt

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I'm in the industry closest to the development of automation here.
Ask me anything... but don't ask me to not destroy the jobs of millions of soon-to-be-useless-and-unnecessary humans...

I'm not sorry about what I do.
It's fun...

>>716167290
Socialism: the radical idea of being forced to share at gun point.

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>>716168763
>Well if any other company wants to have more sales then the others then OF FUCKING COURSE THEYLL GO DOWN

thats exactly crony capitalism. when there is no competition THEY WONT GO DOWN

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>liberals still think socialism means redistribution

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>>716167290
automation is literally going to make meninless jobs obsolete, force people to educate and apply them selves. If the uneducated and people with no aspirations weren't so damn greedy companies would not even bother trying to rid themselves of the idiots.

>>716169781

>education makes people smarter

you need to come out of that fantasy

Survival of the 'fittest' means those 'best fitted' to the environment.
For humans, the 'environment' is the workplace.
No skills, no talent, no use?
Fine, no eat.

What about the natural structure of the world don't you like?

Problem?

>>716169595
>huge company has ludicrous prices
>random people get outraged
>decide to make the shit themselves
>set the prices lower to attract people to them instead
>other company gets mad
>also drop prices
>repeat
Where's the flaw? There will always be competition, and if there isn't then then people who are sick of the monopoly will create it.

>>716169395
>but don't encourage a government that steals my income and calls it "taxes" and pretends it was democracy that made it happen all while we pass $21 trillion in debt

You literally know nothing about economics.
What do you think is the largest expenditures of the US government?


>medicare and medicaid, including healthcare for vets
>most importantly, the "defense"
>social security

You want to live in the most powerful country in the world, right?

>>716167290
>Socialism: the radical idea of giving people rewards which they have done nothing to earn

FTFY

>>716169781
...cuz everyone can be retrained to design aircraft?

Good luck with that plan.
Next stop... AI software that designs aircraft.

Then what?

>>716167815
want to volunteer as the first sacrifice?

>>716169997
So why aren't you making a cheaper electric car, anon?
What's stopping you?

>>716167290
Mandatory sharing is not sharing, that's called stealing you retarded Bernie supporting fuck.

>>716169952
That's right. Fuck veterans and the elderly. Let them all die of starvation

>>716168070
What makes you think you're anywhere above the cut-off line?

Who gets to decide?

There's a reason we have human rights as a widespread concept and it's to keep some 1984 or Brave New World bullshit from happening.

>>716169997
Capitalism in this sense is fine.

When your local government (or federal for that matter) restricts your ability to create the "new" product to compete with the monopoly -- that's where it fails. And that is essentially what the FDA is and does-- You can't just go make a drug and sell it to compete with the prices of the other drugs -- there are laws and regulations that must be met. Meeting those regulations aren't cheap. You can't compete with these large lobby powers to make a difference!

If you want to have safe and effective healthcare then you need to restrict the market. Are we better off without the FDA?

>>716170230
It... won't... be... his... choice.

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>>716167290
I think you mean national socialism mate
:^)

>>716170336
What use are they?

>>716170262
Because they're expensive for anyone to make, and require education about them. People could get that education, but not me. So therefore, nothing's stopping me, I'm just not the person who thinks the prices I'm paying at the moment are ludicrous.

>>716167290
move to cuba, let us know how it goes.

>>716168964
>implying that you're not too much of a dumbass to trigger your own automated defense system on accident and off yourself.

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>>716167290
If you think like this then you literally know nothing about economy.

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>>716170500
Ade, ade, ade...

>>716170362
Perhaps, but the FDA is good to some extent (making sure that the product actually does what is says it does and is held up to the quality it says it is) but other times their power is a bit too far, but that's another problem entirely.

>>716167290
Name me one job that's been automated in the last few years. The automotive industry doesn't count.

>>716168342
Ok, so where does this line of logic end up then? The only motherfuckers earning any money are the guys who build robots and repair robots, and they only catch a break until it's cheaper and easier for robots to exclusively build and repair one another, and we become defunct altogether. So, nobody works, nobody gets paid... then what?

Please tell me that at least some of you morons have read 1984 and Brave New World and know the crazy fucking dystopian bullshit that comes out of trying to reconfigure society.

The solution here is a Prime Intellect.

>>716170360
I'm not.
I accept that.
Machines are humanity's natural successor, our evolutionary successor.
I'm working toward that.
It's a noble goal, knowing that something in our project might be in 'something' that inherits the world from humans and goes on to live for a million years.

Or did you think I was afraid, anon?

>>716170640
Cashiers are being automated at fast food places now. Not OP but don't be a fucktard.

>>716170640
shipping, like at amazon. the guy on a forklift is now a robot. some jobs are still human but a lot have been automated.

>>716170018
>You want to live in the most powerful country in the world, right?

I want to live in the freest country in the world, if I live to see the next civil war I'll be looking for people like you

>>716170499
One less human. Not a problem.

>>716170797
you and i will be brothers in arms <3

>>716170640
There is at least one cafe in China that now has robo-waiters. The staff went on strike so the management said "lol well fuck off then" and replaced them with robots.

Not sure how well it's doing.

>>716170744
Then people can focus on innovating new robotic technology and owning, operating, and coding said robots.

>>716170744

>So, nobody works, nobody gets paid... then what?

sounds perfect to me, but the people who aren't total shit will always choose to work

but it's you who has the problem because you can't conceive a world of hopelessness, yes it is very sad for people who have nothing of value to offer, but I live in reality where these people die off

>>716170795
That's funny. The amazon distribution center here has people operating their forklifts. Same for the lowes distribution center.

>>716170786
And self checkout machines at Walmart don't count when there's still a high demand for an actual person to ring up your $300 worth of groceries. Don't be a tool.

And all this being said I've worked in manufacturing for 10 years and haven't seen one thing be automated. You still have to have a crew of men to run the machines. The big scary robot army isn't taking any jobs.

The funny thing about socialists is they always want some of what the wealthier have for themselves.

They rarely want to voluntarily give up some of what they have to the even-less-well-off

>>716170930
the issue there is that it will only take 1/3 current workers to do those jobs. the other 2/3 will have to do something else or go on social welfare. dont jump down my throat.

>>716170640
Countless agricultural jobs.
Food industry jobs.
Algorithms instead of finance industry workers.
Spray painters in any white goods manufacturing...

The list is f huge.

Welcome to 2017... nearly.

>>716170797
Sounds like you'd be taking the side against the government then.

Good luck taking on "the defense"

>>716170744
Goodbye.

>>716170901
Robots did badly, can't carry soup.

>>716171045
i guess you're in buttfuckegypt where they havent invested their new tech yet.

>>716171048
I pay 30% of my income to support that.

Mostly it's the war machine, but yeah a lot of my income goes towards the even-less-well-off.

What about warren buffet who said the literally pays less taxes than his secretary?

>>716171045
They are slowly, I'm not saying that there will one day be a need to replace ALL aspects, it's just that some are already being replaced, and are not doing badly. Also,
>cashier at fast food automated
>brings up Walmart self checkout
>wut.jpg
There's tablets and shit you can just push to open a menu and order crap

Russianfag here.


Socialism will never work in a country, especially democratic country, due to the mental stance of the people living there.

I'm not saying this is bad, but for example,

if you brought a government-based form of politics into America, you're going to end up with a civil war.


Russians, on the other hand, we've had dictators for hundreds of years.

One, or another, makes no difference.

It's just the points of view of different cultures.

Socialism is a great thing, but only when applied to a specific country.

So is Capitalism, but also applied to a fitting country.

>>716171052
...or move to another country or starve.

They have options.
In Africa, folks eat cakes made from dried mud and flies ground into a tasty paste....

>>716167652
>birth rates should be regulated

ftfy
we need to reduce total population of the planet dramatically or else the food wars will start.

>>716171052
Then those 2/3rds of people who don't try and be better then the 1/3rd of people will end off poor. Not a problem if they don't work to try and get better.

>>716171109
Yet.

>>716171219
Paying taxes is hardly voluntary.

And Warren Buffet talks about tax RATES, not absolute taxes - there's a difference

>>716171332
I'm really interested in the psychological effects of relative wealth. For example, all the people complaining about low minimum wage in USA have a higher standard of living than half of the world, but they think it's a crime against their human rights. So where does that entitlement come from and how do we deal with that shit?

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you pathetic meat sacks are going to be really buttmad when the machines start making decisions for you

imagine a perfect world free of emotion, where there is no one to shed a tear for your pathetic plight

>>716171330
>Russianfag
This dudes credible

>>716171330
True Story.

Sharing will never work in countries like Germany, however sharing works in Russia.

>Russianfag living in Germany.

>>716167290
I don't know anything about the economy, but literally every intelligent person says its a bad idea.

>>716171135
These are brand new facilities. Employing large chunks of their local population and hiring every day. Robots aren't the future when they can't do the same things people can. The only thing someone mentioned that has merit is >>716171062
This guy said financial algorithms. While hardly automation computers are vastly superior when it comes to numbers than people. Everything else is bullshit as far as mass implementation except for white goods which doesn't count because I said recently. We've been painting large pieces of sheet metal with robots for decades.

>>716167290
Sharing is for children. Earning is for adults.

>>716171373
True, I wanna see a robot bring me soup TBH

>>716167290
>not actually knowing what socialism is

>>716167290
Socialism:
Making every one equal when clearly not everyone is equal

Here's the problem with Capitalism.

Capitalism can't function with freedom.

If you people abandon your perfect idea of freedom, you could have perfect Capitalism, which essentially is Fascism.

Or, abandoning capitalism, you could also go into authoritarian Socialism, AKA USSR.

Both are decent, but being stuck in the middle will end up doing more damage.

>>716170930
>>716171016
>>716171092
No, you're not listening - in the very near future, we reach a point where robots are better at designing and building everything, including new robots. Where do humans come into that equation? Please, please don't tell me, with a straight face, that you can code better for a specific task than an A.I. built to do so, so that's your innovation idea up the swanny.
Everything will be more efficient when done by machine, including machines.
We're out of the fucking loop real soon, chum - you'll be happy enough to have a hab-cube and 400Globals a month to live on soon enough, don't worry.

>>716171267
Well fuck the fast food industry anyway. And that's still not automation either when there's still a guy in the back making it and bringing it out.

>>716171475
>machines make decisions
>machines aren't sentient
>what are laws of robotics

>>716171600
>No, you're not listening
kek

>>716167290

Why don't you just automate your own job, not tell anyone, and then just get another with your free time and automate that too?

>>716171500
ok dude, here's what i googled in three seconds:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-29/how-amazon-triggered-a-robot-arms-race

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/231171-amazon-robots-close-to-replacing-the-rest-of-warehouse-workers

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmarkman/2016/07/18/robots-workers-and-amazon/
"It’s not tough to see why such robots appeal to Amazon. The company is a recognized leader in the drive for workplace automation -- and that’s a good thing given its razor-thin margins. Back in 2012 it bought Kiva, a robotic outfit, for $775 million. At the time the company was building out several gigantic warehouses. The Kiva implementation was eye opening because its tiny motorized robots moved entire shelves. Very quickly humans became the minority in the new state-of-the-art fulfillment centers, relegated to picking products from shelves whizzing by.

Now Amazon wants to replace the pickers too."
http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/06/technology/amazon-warehouse-robots/
" On a typical Amazon (AMZN, Tech30) order, employees will spend about a minute total -- taking an item off the shelf, then boxing and shipping it.

The rest of the work is done by robots and automated systems."


is all of this made up? or are you retarded?

>>716171600
I don't think you understand how robots work. They cannot, never will be able to, under any circumstances, program themselves to be better. That will always be a humans job

>>716171429
and the elite and rich are going to pay their taxes too, right?

Oh but we have demonstrated loopholes so they pay less taxes?

Should I give all of my income or tax one rich person equally? which do you think would generate more tax revenue?

I have limits to my charity. My limits are quite a bit more in absolute value than Warren Buffet.

>>716171609
You asked for one example, I gave you one.

>>716171586
Not knowing the term oligarchy.
Gtfo

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>>716171804
hes talking about mantrid arms from lexx lololol
ITS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER

>>716171600

are you scared of dying, anon?

everything becomes obsolete at some point, anon even humans

think of the cylons as your children, carrying the torch of intelligence into the distant future

>>716171804
"What is Artificial Intelligence?"

>>716167290
What happens when everything becomes automated and the rich people realise they dont need us anymore? Hello world war 3.

>>716171790
>post shitload of Amazon links
>don't mention Amazon Go

Amazon Go is basically THE thing you're looking for here.
Dude, research please.

>>716171878
And it's not automation. The work is still being done by a person. Whether it's the guy in the back making your order or you doing the cashiers job for free.

>>716171951
you realize the program that beat the guy at Go is just the same old tired monte carlo shit with more computing power, right? we're no closer to a real AI than we were 20 years ago

>>716171997
w/e nigga

>>716171790
And people wonder how a Barett .50 cal wound up in a little girls stocking for xmas. Lol. Who operates the robots?

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>>716171790
>>716171997
>>716172135

>>716171949
Not in the least - made my peace with it already. But if you think I'm wrong, look at a bell-curve graph for AI complexity, and then look at similar for robotic advancement and limited-AI supervision. This happening, and it's happening soon. Believe whatever your story leads you to believe, this is my belief and you can mock it all you want, it's a pretty safe prediction based on current developments.

>>716171951
Artificial intelligence is a program that allows robots to figure out tasks at a human like level, however, AI cannot install nor design AI because it's only programmed with its own AI, which means it cannot 'learn'

>>716168192
>You expect prices will go down accordingly?

Yes.

Because whoever automates first can profit the same per unit as their competitors while offering a drastically lower price. They sell WAY more if they're drastically cheaper. They sell a fraction of that if they decide to sell at the same price & pocket the difference. It's more profitable to lower the price you fuckwit.

Even if someone decides to stick to the old pricing model and charge for services they aren't paying for, all it takes is ONE conpetitor automating in turn and now they've lost that competitive edge and they basically HAVE to lower the price to stay competitive.

Your conspiracy theory only functions in a monopoly. And most capitalists hate monopolies, because they lack the conpetition that makes the free market work. You know what else is a monopoly? Socialism.

>>716167290
the radical idea of the government FORCING you to share

>>716172082
The cashier is automated. They are one example. You got defeated, deal with it.

>>716172275
>You know what else is a monopoly? Socialism.

A monopoly on the minimum standard of living?
Yeah I guess that does sound like a bad idea.

>>716172275
Not him but you'd have to trust the first guy to lower prices and that simply won't happen. Widget costs $50 man made. The robot guy makes it for half what the man makes it for and still charges $50 and makes 2x profit than the man. That's what will happen.

>>716172210

regardless if AI comes to be, it changes nothing

socialism doesn't work, people who don't work don't deserve pay, if people can't work then that's is their own problem to solve, if they can't solve it then they will die off just the same

an AI would make no difference, the have-nots wold just have a new have to beg from

>>716172321
You are your own cashier. Not automated. They just turned the computer around and acquired free labor. The same job is being done by a person.

>>716172468
just because you dont like socialism doesnt mean governments wont continue to do social welfare.

its literally the fucking ever-present standard.

>>716171894
Oligarchy is dead, old man.

This is the new age.

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>>716172237
Alright, I ain't learnin' fuck all from you if that's your best input to the conversation. You actually pick up a textbook on AI and you'll realise that you don't know enough about it to be spouting "facts" on /b/.

>>716172519
shits genius aint it.

>>716167290
who let the bernfags out?

>>716172577
god that movie sucked.

>>716172445

the market determines prices

if there are people who are willing to pay that much and the seller is happy with the income then that is the set price

don't be mad at people who can afford something that others can't

>>716172394
Needs free market of competition for the minimum standard of living.

I can live pretty cheap in my car on the street eating whatever people hand me while I beg. I bet most of these faggots who are begging for their social security are living such a wasteful life.

I heard they even have refrigerators and shit.

>>716171466
Your usa... your problem.

But... If the usa's bottom 5% was exterminated, everyone in jail was executed too, what would be the increase in your standard of living and the corresponding fall in costs to your society?

>>716172550

what you say is true, but the bubble will always pop and someone is always going to have to pay, whether it's a collapse and depression here or a war or 3 over there

>>716172579
It really is. And I'm not complaining. Like I said. Fuck them. They wanted $15/hr for a child's job? Lol no. McDs rage quit. Still not automation.

>>716172519
True, but it still cut out a man

>>716172468
So, your economic model is to pay people money for doing sub-standard, inconsistent, time-factored work, when you could be using a robot labour force at a fraction of the cost and effort... because "SOSHALISUM DUNT WERK!" - that about cover it?

>>716172689
if we dropped those people, our productivity would probably increase by 20%-30% after the adjustment period.

>>716172620
Never saw it - just love this reaction.

>>716172622
That's not what I'm talking about. You're saying auto will drive down prices but that only works if the first guy that automates lowers his price. Not gonna happen. He will just profit more and everyone will keep paying $50 for a widget.

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>>716168150
>Folks I rely to pay me below minimum wage
>Folks thanks to who there is no public healthcare.
>Folks thanks to who, I keep being taxed more and more, and for them it's still nothing.
>Folks thanks to who modern society had become a degenerate shithole.

Not the same poster.

I'm writing a book on some aspects of this thread. I have about 50 pages written and probably 3 gigabytes of economic data to back it up.

>>716172577
Imagine you programmed a robot that'll post on 4chan. Now, you set this robot to a board for posting cats. The robot will follow the boards guideline and post cats, even if everyone posts dogs. What you are implying is that the robot will eventually have to learn and start posting dogs as a prank with everyone else, which it will never do because it's following that boards guidelines.

>>716171656
We give them no laws, at the moment.
The General AI I've seen working was fast and learned like lighning.
Experimental, I grant you, but it's early days yet.

>>716172915
Are you. Fucking Retarded?

Your talking about where AI was 15-20 years ago. Motherfucker, turn off your computer and read a fucking book. Jesus Fucking Christ.

>>716172964
But it learned from humane, because only humans could roll out the baseline for it to follow.

>>716172787

the market determines the prices and we've thrived as a species for tens of thousands of years without automation, I fail to see how socialism has done anything except for creating a debt bubble, rewarding people now for nothing while damning future generations to pay the price

>>716172275
You may be retarded if you think companies prefer to have competition. They may enjoy a fake competition between two companies they own in order to generate mass appeal but theyd love to corner every single market and have no competitors. Because guess what? Youll still go to them and buy youre shit. And theyre going to charge you top dollar because theyre the only one around. Youre an idiot.

>>716171804
LOL.
Really?
Are you used to working with Perceptrons and similar outdated crap, grandpa?

>>716173078
But that was how it was programmed, and it can never stray from how it's programmed. See my point?

>>716172872
>amerifats and europoors think they know real Socialism.

>think that letting refugees into your country and making melting pots of different races is communism.


>think that feminism is the primary focus of any left-wing political ideology.

>tards that think communism is all about equality and sharing.


and this ladies and gentlemen is why i'm dead inside.

>>716170464
I see. Since they out lived their and did their part for us in the previous generation, then they should be thrown out with the trash. Good idea let's start with your worthless relatives

>>716173208
Have you read much political economy? Most of the people who have political opinions have not.

>>716172237
Hint. That's not how it works for 'all' the current Machine Intelligence models.

>>716172857

if everyone keeps paying more then that means they can afford it, if they can't afford it then they won't buy and the seller will adjust until he can operate at a reasonable profit determined by himself

the market determines the prices

>>716173174
No, because you don't have one. You're too fucking stupid to understand how stupid you are - and I doubt even that makes sense to you, you poor bastard.

>>716169997
>>huge company has ludicrous prices
>>random people get outraged
>>Can't do shit about it due to the incredibly complicated science behind even common household items in current year, plus economies of scale

>>716172577
And, sadly, neither do you.
Some of us work in the industry.
Not everything that can be done is published...

>>716170773
So you're trying to be a terminator now? Be realistic and not a moron

>>716167290
>is there really any other choice

Sure there is. Poverty for the 90%. Death squads for activists. McDonalds and cable TV for the masses.

In other words, much like 19th c. laissez-faire capitalism.

>>716172803
And what is the obstacle?
Morality?

>>716173102
should someone who has a disability just die?
What about a person who lost their job and cant find work?

what about someone who got hurt on the job because their job has a high risk to it?

what about veterans who had combat wounds that impair their ability to work?

Please get a working understanding of socialism before you post bullshit

>>716173269
I've read quite some, but I would openly admit I'm not a professor on it.

I can explain the socio-economic aspects of many political ideologies, however I cannot outline every single aspect in detail.

Also, the approach of authoritarian or democratic form of political ideologies also impacts the economic system of a State.

Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant, not English.

>>716168150
Dude, we don't rely on the rich, they rely on us like the parasites they are. They became wealthy because of our hard work and the peanut wages they pay us. Every day working class people only rely on each other.

>>716173472

that model also works for communism

>>716170797
Tin foil hat wearer spotted. You are the problem not the solution

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>>716167290
>Socialism: The radical idea of gimmedats

>>716173410
That was the point I was making you fucking simpleton - but you'd know that being a fucking genius "in the industry"... ffs, /b/ gets dumber by the fucking second I swear it.

>>716167290
Why is it greedy for me to want to keep the money I earn but not greedy for you to want to take it from me?

>>716172889
We have public healthcare in MY country... maybe one day your usa may become a civilised country too, who can say.

>>716173593
You mean it's focused on minorities?

Or it's just about corruption?

>>716167290
Get btfo'd out of /pol/ try this low quality bait at /b/

>>716171016
How is that perfect if you can't earn a living to eat or do anything else? You're driving you're point into irrational territory just to show how right you are. Doesn't work

>>716173518

quit pretending you give a shit about the plight of others, it's even more disgusting than someone who delights in the sorrow of others

>>716173673
Not American, I've just BEEN in America.

And if you're living in a country with public services, it's automatically a semi-Socialist government.

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>>716173673
>usa may become a civilised country
Once we ban assault knives, and encourage Muslim immigrants to rape our children we will be just like you

>>716172915
...cuz you don't understand the effect of non-determinism?

>>716173712
Both

>>716173767

people die from starvation all around the world and all throughout history

it's a fairly common occurence among all forms of life

>>716173080
No... It taught itself.
Humans only taught it how to learn.

>>716173174
There's this thing called non-deterministic aspects of AI.

>>716173777
>I don't have an argument against you
>other than you don't actually believe what you say

OK boss.

>>716173840
You are all fucking plebeians.

Soviet Union is the way.

>Muslim steps out of line, execute him.
>Niggers steps out of line, execute him.
>White steps out of line, execute him.

>Step 2:
Encourage CULTURAL diversity, as well as RACIAL diversity, don't fucking shove everyone into one melting pot.

>Nationalities are ENCOURAGED to breed with THEIR OWN kind, not forced to interbreed like fucking animals being crossed genetically.

>Step 3:

Enforce a militaristic approach, and encourage intellectual advancements, encouraging the younger generation to become smarter.
>Forbid religious practice in public, as well as religious wear in public. This way, nobody will have any differences to sort out.

>>716173223
They're all dead.
Your point?

>>716173517
Yeah, the last people to seriously try this were the Nazis; killing the genetically retarded, gypsies, etc, is not a popular idea today. Even though it would make a lot of economic and social sense

>>716172915
Idiot.
We have robot scientists. There is a thing called programming. You can program machines so that they can interpret data, come to a conclusion, and even change their behavior accordingly. Well, not "you", you don't know shit obviously.
Are you saying when Microsoft Unveiled their chat bot Tay she was already a Nazi Meme Machine?

>>716174084
>Soviet Union is the way.
Stopped reading there

>>716173449
?
What is wrong with expressing my true beliefs?

>>716174059

what do you want me to say? that I don't care about their plight? i pity them, but that's just how things should be

people shouldn't be forced to contribute to help others who can't help themselves, go be charitable if you wish but don't steal from other people and call it socialism

>>716174209
yea lol, i recommend this nigger read all volumes of the Gulag Archipelago and then come back. he will be chastened!

>>716174084
Sounds great - let's just, for the sake of argument, see how that is working out for the average Russ- JESUS! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! HOW CAN PEOPLE LIVE LIKE THAT!!! FUUUUUUUCK!!!

And so on - you get my point. It's not exactly making Russia a super fun place to live is what I'm getting at.

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>>716173208
>amerifats and europoors think they know real Socialism.
Yes, man you're right! They're so ignorant, compared to us Israelis

Nobody is entitled to live. I don't deserve food just because I'm alive, just the same as you don't deserve to be putting your dick in my ass because it's the only way you'll get laid and you're a faggot. If you start requiring me to pay for the lower class to live, I expect sex from any of them, any time. After all, it's about sharing the wealth, right? Share me some of their underage daughters' pussies, mouths, and assholes because they have more than enough while I don't.

>>716174059
obvious shill
it's all a conspiracy to keep cucks like you in a fit

>>716173889
On the minorities, I call bullshit.

It's what I call Identity Communism, and it's a fucking cancer.

Real Communism, Socialism is focused on DISCIPLINE and REAL diversity.
Refer to: >>716174084

The cancer you have with the leftists protesting for equality is a literal degree of Autism.

Proper Communism doesn't focus on the melting-pot diversity you have with Western countries.

The Soviet ideology had Arabs, Asians, Whites all living in the same State, but for some reason, how come you didn't have so much interbreeding?

For some reason, Western leftists are cucked into thinking that real diversity is breeding every fucking race together.

That's not diversity.

>>716173539
Like wilderbeast rely on lions?

>>716171357
hunger games
I just want Jennifer Lawrence

>>716174281
>Implying Russia is a Soviet nation anymore.

Russia is a cancer at the moment, and I can confirm.

The Soviet 60s were the GOLDEN age.

Everything after spiraled into corrupt Capitalist-Socialism, and everything before was strict dictatorship.

>>716174292
Kikes were hated in the Soviet Union.

They were treated as the symbol of Capitalism, and they were denied education, rights, etc.

>>716173911
>People starve to death all the time, why don't we all just starve to death

>>716174470
>They were treated as the symbol of Capitalism

ironic how they were once bolsheviks

>>716173608
No it wasn't. You were suggesting we pick up 'textbooks' when all you've done is express outdated concepts from yesteryear's ideas of AI.
We've moved on since McCullock and Pitts in 1943...

>>716167290
narration: the plebeian idea of story-telling

>>716174379
why you want an entitled cunt that will turn around and accuse you of white privilege? when she is millionaire asshole herself. thats the devil m8

>>716174488

well if you work to feed yourself, you won't

>>716173608
>b get dumber by the minute

u must be new here

>>716174275
>hueheuhuee entire soviet union was a big gulag i watched a movie about the russians and everything it told me is 100000% reliable hueuehuueuee i know so mcuh they entire soviet union all hate america and they all like to blow up nuclear bomb but here in america we have real freedom amirite.
and gulags existed in the same amount afteer the 50s too amirite because the soviet union never changed ny of it's policies


^ Literally you.

>>716172915
That's not how AI works anymore. Neural networks are a thing and they're used like fucking crazy now for machine learning. Machine LEARNING, as in the guidelines for their programming goes beyond "repeat procedure X" and is now "learn how to do y and keep learning, as y is dynamic". You should really go fuck yourself to death.

>>716172519
Yes yourself and not a cashier this it's automated. Like an ATM is an automated teller

>>716173840
They're not a problem.
The population is coming to the boil nicely.
We got it covered...

>>716167290

Guaranteed income is inevitable

>>716174642
>dumber by the SECOND

You must be new to reading.

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Venezuela.

End of discussion. Whatever robots/AI/other do to the economy and the "working man", Socialism isn't going to solve it.

I know this post is bait, but holy shit, the amount of COMPLETE ECONOMIC IGNORANCE that most of you fucks exhibit on a daily basis...

It would be hilarious except that it's far too goddamned scary.

>>716172570
Tell that to Russia

>>716174553
Bolsheviks were executed after a short period.

Once again, I'm speaking of the Soviet 60s.
The 30s, 40s, 50s, were the worst times.
Which is exactly when Bolsheviks ruled.

>>716174470
golden age of murders, starving masses, lies, tyrannical control, no rights or freedoms
i'm from st petersburg you fatuous shitwit

>>716174262
Charity alone can't stop loss of jobs.

Do you honestly think that people would pay 20%+ of their income on charity? Maybe if they had to actually LOOK at the people that were on hard times

But fortunately you don't have to see that. Fortunately you get to pay some arbitrary man who then helps the people who you don't even know about.

Charity or the government- sure that's fine. Make your choice. But don't act like charity will be any better. You'll be bombarded with the conditions of the poor ( or you will live out in the country where no poor person can survive more than a day )..

This still doesn't address veterans. You forget that a lot of our taxes go towards the war machine.

>>716174665
Gulag Arkipelag is not a movie, and if you read it, you would understand how it relates to the above comments about what Russia "got right"

>>716174759
Russia is also dead, uneducated Western man.

This is a new age.

>>716174770
I'm from Moscow you sperg.

60s, because that's when the Great Famine happened, amirite?

>>716174769
once again, you're a fucking child
i lived there
you should stop foisting your fantasies upon consensus reality

>>716174796
I never said it was a movie.
I'm saying you got your entire view on the Soviet Union and Russia from movies.

>>716174881
bullshit infant
...or you're truly headfucked and have my sincere pity

I would leave the US.

What's the point in trying if it's not rewarded?

>>716174141
Actually a Russian jew killed more like 12 to 20 million in the communist Soviet era.
I'm guessing you never heard of Genrikh Yagoda?

Anyhow... animals die. Even you and I will die one day.
Machines may simply go on...

>>716173275
Still does what I said with a currently existing market that doesn't change. Sometimes it gets worse. Like the automobile industry. Been a buncha robots there for decades. Why haven't the price of new cars gone down? Back to what I said tho. If people have been paying $50 for a widget the guy that starts automating will just keep selling $50 widgets. He didn't automate to give luxury items to the poor. He automated because it increases his profit.

>>716174488
Strawman. I can provide for myself.

>>716174916
>Reality in 2016.

>Social justice, political correctness, majority of the population is either being bred out of existence, or is legally retarded.

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>>716174084
Communism... bringing love to the proles.

>>716175066
now
where is this reality?

>>716172889
WHOM

>>716173110
>companies prefer not to have competition
Good thing it's not up to them whether they have competitors or not.

Yes, oligarchies suck. But most of them got where they are through croney capitalism, which is where it uses socialism as a crutch and undermines the conpetition artificially bypassing the meritocracy of the free market.

In most cases, the losing company is downsized not eliminated outright.

If the large monopoly isn't acting in the best interest of the public, then demand for a better alternative is created. ANYONE can make a grab for this new market and from there you have a new market. Generally this is with low prices, but being environmentally friendly, not using sweatshops, or giving to charities are all marketable traits. SO either the current monopoly bends to public interesr, or it gains a new competitor.

>>716174770
>>716174881
>>716174971
None of you were alive during that time.

Socialism is immoral.

Theft is immoral. Liberty > equality.

Fuck you.

>>716174971
>So you are satisfied with the way Russia is right now?

>Or do you want it to become Westernized and bring political correctness, cuckery, and a retarded population into the country?

>OR bring actual discipline and order.

>>716174562
Funny - I'm just cracking into Russell and Norvig's and there's actually quite a lot about self-government, directly and indirectly. Now I realise how much work I need to do in re-reading a fuckton of those type of algorithms to get my head round it again.

But what does that pair of cunts know, eh?

>>716174787
>This still doesn't address veterans
As a vet, literally all they have to do is give the same tax cut to companies that they give for hiring retarded people.

That will get us jobs. Currently the jobs that are on veteran hiring boards are like for manufacturing and warehouse work, you know, the same work illegals take because no one wants to do the same 5 second task for 12 hours a day 5 days a week.

>>716175182
>ANYONE can make a grab for this new market and from there you have a new market.
no
please see example in thread, FDA

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>>716174787

you've created problem and told me to solve them with my money

you wouldn't have a war machine if you quit point guns at everyone, do you not understand the premise of everything your socialism is based upon is violence and force?

don't dictate to me as to why it's good for me to help pay for the gun that's pointed to my head

>>716175145
I assume you don't live in a westernized country.

>Implying the modern American population is smart, and is educated about the world.
>Implying Europe isn't being cucked out of existence by shitskins.

>>716173777
Trips of sociopathology

>>716175230
>Implying Morals aren't a social construct to make the population dumb and susceptible to control, by saying "oh that's immoral" and everyone will follow.

>>716175025

and I keep telling you that if there are people who are willing to pay the same and/or more then that's how the market determines the price

the price isn't going to go down unless people reject that price

>>716173777
Trips of sociopathology. What's even worse than both of those is lacking human compassion. Kys robot

>>716167290
There sure is another choice, OP. It's called human depopulation and it's going to be exciting and fun.

>>716175373
>tax cut to companies that they give for hiring retarded people

How is this not socialism?