Serious question for Christians: Define 'God'

No? No one can tell me what God is? Even though you religious nuts are constantly referring to it, no one can say what it is.

niggerfaggot

The answer is in the Bible not on /b/ you trollfuck

>>716051575
Well I got you to answer, you newfag!

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>>716050877
Pepe.

>>716050877
I am God. But I know that answer will not satisfy you.

>>716052103
How about you define yourself then.

>>716050877
>Universe and everything in it

>>716052288
So God is everything?

Can you narrow it down? Is God all matter? All energy? If energy, what wavelengths? Is God all living things? Even the bacteria in my yogurt? You can't just say 'Universe and everything in it' because that doesn't explain anything

>>716052245
I did. The universe you see around you is the result. You just need to learn to read it.

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i guess the most simple answer would be 'creator'

or creator of the universe etc

>>716052288
Well that's a pretty handy word.

God is failsafe, if shit goes south it wasn't my god that did it, it was yours. My god is awesome

>>716052831
So God is the Big Bang?

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>>716052288
>>716052740
>>716052831
OP Here. God seems to be nothing more than a construct of the human mind. This explains how it's devout 'believers' will use anything to explain this invisible, intangible force, but in reality, they are describing a shared hallucination or fantasy. "God" is merely a function of the human subconscious.

OP got cucked by his girlfriend and is now edging out to keep himself from crying.

>>716052740
You didn't explain shit you fucking retard. Now, back up your other fucktarded statement by giving me a specific example "How I need to learn to read the universe". Also, explain explain how I would see your version of God without you first explaining it to me, and also explain how the God is not just in your mind. Why don't you post a picture of God? Don't forget to timestamp.

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>>716050877
>tfw 'god' is just the delusions of mentally-ill mentally-inferior halfwits... and you realise they can't be cured and they're going to have to be gassed by the million before the human species can proceed into the cosmos, its rightful place.

>>716050877

Athiests are cowards
>We don't believe in this

Agnostics are even bigger cowards
>We don't know if we believe in this

NIHILIST MASTER RACE
> Religion is bullshit, go fuck yourself

>>716053788
Everyone is agnostic. Why don't people recognize this?

>>716053244
yeah thats the idea. except the big bang doesnt exist in this belief system, God exists in its place. Those are the two most prominent schools of thought on the matter (i think)

beginning of it all = a Creator OR big bang

personally i like to attribute the possibility of them being one and the same like you put it.

>>716053555
Lol faggot, if I had a gf I wouldn't be wasting time here. I don't understand what "cucked" or "edging" mean in the way you used those words.
Philosophical thinking runs in my family, and now I have some time off from work, so I'm trying to find an answer to the most meaningful question I could think of. Not sure why I asked it here though, because the people here are WAY more retarded than I remember.

>>716053856
Enough people identify as "Agnostic" that it has left the formal definition of the word behind. Why do people hold onto bullshit meanings that are no longer relevant?

the supreme personality
superpower: never fails at anything

>>716050877
A magical anthropomorphic immortal, primarily spiritual being

Maybe it's all in your head?

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>>716053885
So... an expansion of space-time sent its son jesus via a rape-ghost to be born to a cuck carpenter in smelly-armpitland back in antiquity... and that's why you have to send $20 to a shouting guy on ustv?

Tell me more, anon.

You sure they're the same thing?

>>716053987
That's a fair point. I'm just saying that nobody actually knows which makes everyone agnostic.

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>>716054195
; )

>>716051337
>waits 4 minutes
>chimps out

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I'm really looking forward to The One World Religion, it's should make all you dumbass religious retards stop fighting each other.

>>716054447
>most threads disappear after 5 minutes of no replies

>>716053987
Language evolving is fine, if it's not making redundant new words or changing the definition of old words to make them more confusing.

Atheist and theist is all you really need. The "new" definition of agnostic supposedly means you don't know - think about how fucking retarded that is. Nobody knows, and the only people who ever claimed they did were the Gnostics (hence the word). And they knew there was a god through divine revelation. How would a Gnostic atheist know? Does god appear to people and say, "Hey buddy, I don't exist!"

It's so stupid it hurts.

>>716053667
If you want to stay a mental midget and are just looking for a simplistic explanation to ease your mind, then go talk to a priest or someone similar. Otherwise learn to read.

>>716050877
I could give you a definition

>>716054635
I'M the mental midget here?! You're the one who worships a non-existant sky wizard and his zombie son. I do want a simplistic explanation. Are you too stupid to give me one? I will ask you again: Define God.
Can you prove it's not just in your head?

>>716054257
lol no

your question, remove "an expansion of space-time' and 'that's why you have to send $20 to a shouting guy on ustv?" (seriously what??)

and replace your meme power words, biased tone and leading language and it might make a decent question.

>>716055301
Which part defeated your comprehension skills, anon?

>>716050877
Not up to me to define a
God. You make the assumption that a God exists so it's on you to define that God.

>>716054706
Do so...

>>716052288
universe already includes everything in it. this is a non-standard definition though, theists generally think of god as beyond the universe.

>>716055611
Why should an atheist define the christian god for the christcucks?
Make sense, bwa.

>>716055002
Read the thread again. Carefully. See what I stated. Nowhere did I claim to believe in anything. Again, learn to read, but start with English, then try the universe.

>>716053307
Explain gravity, i'll wait

>>716054484

first they came for the atheist...

>>716055725
Where... beyond... the... universe?
What part of the universe isn't in the universe, 89IQ?

>>716055481
all of it, it was so horrible.

>>716055002
>>not chimping out

You sure are quick to implode, Wayne

>>716055614
Following Hawking, God is everything w/o our universum, which started to exist with the Big Bang and God is what remains after our universum contracts. yet, time exists only inside our universum

>>716052636
not the anon you responded to, but the point of saying everything i guess is not to narrow it down. pantheism differs from atheism in the attitude towards everything: seeing it as sacred, and possibly possessed of some kind of intelligence, usually superhuman and awesome

>>716055818
An effect caused by the curvature of space-time due to mass.

You're welcome.

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>>716055002
"define god"
"can you prove its not just in your head?"

separate statement and question they are not one in the same.

people have already given you the definition of God in this thread, you couldve just looked it up in the dictionary. you legit sound like a teenager.

no nobody can prove anything that's why its about faith, and why a debate exists in the first place and why there isn't one universally accepted belief system.

>>716055766
That's what i said. Bwa.

>>716052636
But it did. An answer was given, and you moved right past it like a pretentious, wet, flapping douchebag. Try again, this time not as lonely

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>>716055818
Massive objects are attracted to each other in a mathematically describable and repeatable manner, but that's not important right now.

>>716050877
The only one who can judge me.

>>716055932
Try again, this time using the skill called 'reading'.

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>>716050877

>>716053968
>>no gf
>>doesnt understand God
>>doesnt understand love

Good luck dying alone ya mental midget

>>716056146
Your god is your parole officer?

not a christian but here's a try:
the reason everything that has, had, or will ever happen

>>716056155
pathetic.

>>716056234
We all die alone, son.... unless you're into yelling allah akbar.

>>716056026
Thank you! If OP cant get this, then he must be underage and b&

I summon mods

>>716056234
What is love?
Baby don't hurt me.

>>716056261
sort of

>>716052636
so god is some islamic fanatic self destructing in a crown of innocent people?

god is some rare and horrific genetic disease?

god is that drop of piss that you can never quite shake off which uncomfortably moistens your underwear?

god is not replying to this post so your mother dies in her sleep tonight?

doesnt sound very sacred to me

>>716054542
>>like this one should've

Easy!

God is the greatest conceivable being.

His attributes are many, but if you need a simple philosophical definition, it would be that.

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>>716056363
You're good at this 'presenting arguments to support your case' bit of the art of rhetoric, aren't ya sonny?

Where did you learn your theology? Walmart?

>>716056143
>>716055997
Now provide proof, not an example of the effects

I'll wait

I would like a clear answer as well;

Is god a human like us? Are they a man or woman? If one, why not the other?

Is it a spirit?

Is it the force of nature?

Is it a mere adjective when trying to show aggressiveness by shouting GODdamn?

>>716056388
Only on Tuesdays

>>716056616
>greatest conceivable being
I'm god?

>>716056616
But if he's capable of creating a rock too heavy for him to lift... he cannot be all-powerful. And if he can't, similarly, he cannot be all-powerful either.

Which is he?

>>716056882
Hilarious and original, here's your medal

>>716056723
Easy. Jump. Did you fall back to the ground or fly off into space? That's gravity.

>>716056573
The answer is yes to all.

God is truly mysterious and awesome :^)

>>716056632
Personal incredulity

Thats you right there buddy boy

>>716056723
Drop something.
Time its fall. Measure the height you dropped it from.
There is your proof.
Congrats.
Welcome to reality...

>>716056838
No.
No.
No.
No.
See >>716055960

>>716056723
The results of the examples are the proof
Are you really THAT retarded?

>>716056616
Inb4 ontological argument and begging the question.

>>716056989
No, thats an example of gravity. What does a gravity particle or wavelength look like? Got anything other than examples?

>>716055911
no part of the universe is not in the universe, obviously, and if you define the universe as everything that exists then there's nothing else by definition, but the usual way of thinking of the universe is something like our spacetime continuum or anything that causally interacts with the material which we can detect. so this leaves various conceptions for something being beyond the universe, including alternate or parallel universes, mother universes within which we exist as a simulation, or something utterly beyond our comprehension and experience. there are plenty of possibilities.

89IQ, hehe good one

>>716057050
Did you present an argument I am incredulous of?
I must have missed it.
Repeat it.

>>716056723

The fact that you're not floating away from your chair is proof enough.

>>716057109
Couldnt that be said about God? An unseen force with profound effects on people and things

not christian but suppose to be a guy who is everywhere, knows your "sins" has a son named jesus. if the person is good then he goes to heaven but do sins goes to hell.

People who say god is everything are lazy idiots. Come up with something better.

>>716057155
>implying something isn't real because you don't know every conceivable detail of its inner workings
Do you think that your body doesn't exist because we don't know every single detail of its inner workings down to the quantum level and beyond?

>>716057155
You think gravity is a wave? Or a particle?
How does that work, anon?

I told you it was an effect of curved space-time.

Do you have a new theory?
Great... present it to us.

>>716053307
> teleports behind you
> insert 'heh, nothing personal kid'

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>>716051575
/b/ible, dummy.

>>716057400
That greentext can be said about God. Ill let you sit and think for a minute

>>716057299
Like Santa... but only gives presents when you dead?

>>716056573
use a piece of paper to wipe the drop of piss off, kid

>>716057161
you can't define the universum as everything that exists because this is not math.
you don't know what is outside space

>>716056933
The question is absurd, because first of all God is not subject to the laws of gravity and is not himself a physical being, so he doesn't need to exert "extra strength" to "lift" anything up.

Second of all, I know what you're getting at, which is a paradox of omnipotence, but it's very simple to answer by saying that God simply cannot do that which is logically impossible, because it doesn't make sense.

For example, can God create a married bachelor or a square circle? The question is just an absurd combination of words and such a thing cannot exist.

Also, God cannot act contrary to his own nature, for example doing something like creating another God just like him and then fall down and worship him. I think that's logically contradictory anyway, because both cannot be the greatest conceivable beings at the same time.

>>716057518
Not replying to me?
Only to the low-hanging fruit?
Shame on you, godder.
No 1st Peter 3 15?

>>716056616
The greatest being i can concieve wouldn't allow suffering. Therefore the greatest concievable being does not exist.

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>>716057281

Only if it can be verified and reliably tested.

>>716057768
Read the Bible man, its got all the answers

>>716057640
to add something: implying we can even define an outside from our point of view

The eternal being who, according to the religion, created and governs the universe. Is that so fucking hard?

>>716057721
Really?
Where in the bible does it describe your god this way, as not being subject to physics?
Chapter n verse plz...

>>716057518
No one is claiming that God doesn't exist simply because we don't know how God works. The problem is that there isn't any, let alone repeatable and/or mathematically describable, evidence of God's existence.

>>716057877
So you rape your daughters like Lot?
Or do you try to stab your kids on mountains like Abraham?

>>716056632
you had me fooled at the start i came into this thread thinking (stupid me) that you actually wanted a non biased level intellectual discussion. clearly you're an angst ridden teen with an agenda. you fooled me though so gj. 7/10.

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>>716057877

I read it. God seems like a petulant child who, after the self-insert moment, just got bored and left us. Once again, I'm looking for reliably testable proof.

>>716058105
u hav bin rused

>>716057907
What 'governing' does he do?
Snowflake sculpting or dog-turd design?

>>716057732
I prefer Zechariah 14:12

>>716057739
Your opinion of what is great is irrelevant, even if I thought greatness included browsing /b/ for 2 hours a day doesn't mean it's right.

We can easily say that God ought to be omnipotent, but we cannot say God ought to have created earth 2 minutes before or after he actually did, in the same sense you're not in the position to decide whether it's the best to allow suffering or not. Jesus after all suffered greatly as God in the flesh for our sake, and his followers actually wanted to stop Jesus' crucifixion, but he told them that they are just men and do not understand the things of God, and that he must die, well, now they and we understand! You're not God, so don't play God.

Defining god would be like trying to give an explanation to 100 million math equations

He has set the laws for every level of size in this universe perfectly. The smallest unit of space possible in the universe behaves in a way that allows the next largest thing to exist. And so on and so forth until you have entire galaxies. Perfect laws, from the atoms all the way up to the galaxies.

And to top it all off he created time for all of these rules to exist in.

How can you give a definition to a force as complicated and powerful as this?

>>716058058
I wish! Im one of those normal christians, them filthy fuckin Jews on the other hand...

>>716058105
What?
You've no argument to present?
Just ad hominems?

I accept your apology and your surrender. Off you go...

>>716058291
Confirmation bias. The universe is the way we observe it simply because if it were any other way we wouldnt exist.

>>716050877
The unmoved mover.

>>716058291
Do you have any evidence to support your bullshit claims?

>>716057640
you don't need a mathematical definition to define something. there is no mathematical definition of the universe anyway. you think you know one? there's no mathematical definition of life or consciousness either, but they're still concepts that we use.

in any case i didn't say that i define the universe as everything that exists, only that it's a possible definition.

and debatable whether "outside space" is a meaningful concept, since outside and inside are spatial concepts. my idea about somehting being beyond the universe would be something like how our universe is beyond a computer simulated mmorpg universe - there are spatial relations within that universe that don't correspond to the reality beyond the computer program. similarly, if we're in some kind of simulation or reality program in some higher medium, then that medium or higher relaity would be beyond our universe

>>716058113
Ive been fuckin with you up til now, youre an edgelord whos a pseudointellectual. Tell me, Mark, why havent you shot yourself?

>>716058340
So you don't follow the ten commandments?
Ok...

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>>716050877
What ever started the universe or whatever pushed the first causal domino over in the first place. That is god, whatever it may be.

>>716057739
> I think that because there are bad things in the world there can't be a God
>I have transcended past the pitiful means of religion and choose only to rely on what I, the most intelligent man in the world believe

>>716057768
How do you know the sun will rise tomorrow?

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>>716058152
indeed

>>716058363
pathetic.

>>716057911
You need a verse to understand simple logic?

If God, as the author of everything, is the source of physical matter and space, then how can he be subject to them? He created them!

Everybody and their grandma knows that in the Judeo-Christian world, God is not a physical being who is subject to physical laws, it is part of the very definition of God.

>>716058183
Then whose opinion is relevant? If noone can really imagine him then why does anyone even dare to say anything about him? You say god is good, but that's only your opinion of what is right. Maybe when you go to heaven god boils you in hot cum for all eternity because it is what is right.

>>716058519
the whole point is: we live are inside this universe (which we might even not perceive completely) and have no way to look beyond it.
beyond, there is God, by definition:
God is not perceivable
God was there before the Big Bang (time exists only here, but this still works)

>>716058182
>>716058709
Given the physics we understand, how can it not?
There's no jesus-magic moving it.
There's this effect called gravity...

>>716058800
So how does his magic work?

>>716050877
Don't know if anyone has actually answered yet, but
God is a being that than which no greater can be thought.

>>716057161
What about planes/realms/sets of laws that are not comparable or interactive with those in this one? Isn't universe definable only from a point of perception?
Doesn't this mean that everything i don't know about or does not affect me is not part of my universe? That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>>716058153
How the hell am I supposed to answer that

>>716058881
How does your god move in a place where time doesn't exist?
Movement can't exist there either... nor any activity. Yet you claim your god's magic exists and comes from there?

Got any evidence of this magic?

>>716059118
as far as you're concerned it doesnt exist

>>716059175
With Honesty?

I swear theists and atheists are different species.

>>716059118
>That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
True. But since there is no evidence at all of its existence, spending any amount of time pondering its existence is nothing more than an exercise in mental masturbation.

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>>716059331
Yes.
You're enjoying the product of millions of man-hours of using scientific understanding to design and build the technology you're enjoying to read these words...

Or you can pray to imaginary sky people for nothing to happen... as you'd expect.

It's simple really.

>>716058826
You don't get my point, what I'm saying is that you're not in a position to decide whether allowing suffering or not is a great making property, these are Godly things.

God could very well allow you to suffer if he knew it would lead you to repent, or do something differently, which would lead you to be saved or have a better future. These are things only God would know, and he can have morally sufficient reason to allow suffering.

The Bible itself is a huge example of this. God himself sent his own Son to be humiliated and killed by the hands of his own created beings, to pay the penalty for their sins. Even the disciples of Jesus didn't get this and tried to save Jesus from crucifixion, when what Jesus was doing was actually saving the world.

>>716055818
We do not know why gravity exists. We know its properties. Same goes for electric charge. But neither do you, so don't try to stuff your santa there. God of the gaps is the worst argument you people come up with. Once a gap in our understanding of the universe is filled you just find a new one. A long time ago lightning was believed to be caused by gods. Now we know exacly how charge builds up in cluds and how air gets ionised to produce a rapid discharge that emits visible light.

>>716058881
not really the case that anything beyond the universe is god: there could be a multiverse, or superuniverse, within which ours exists.

not sure about before the big bang, since time is supposed to begin with the big bang, but must admit i don't understand that. probably you need to understand the mathematical theory to get what physicists mean when they say that

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>>716058544

Because I'm not called Mark and I don't own a gun. Why haven't you sent yourself to Jesus a little faster?

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>>716055960
Yeah, but if I followed Hawking, I wouldn't be able to get up the stairs.

>>716052288
That's solipsistic and not the Christian answer you fucking illiterate kike

>>716050877
Any ideology on how the world works on a cosmological level. Even fucking science, it would be something along the lines of Gaia from greek mythology.

>>716053776
I look at the infinitely complex and harmonious universe and believe that there was a guiding force and higher intelligence behind it all, helping form and shape existence as we know it over time. I call that force God.

It's better to believe in a higher being and being nice to people than a discordant asshole trying to shatter people's ways of thinking and perceiving while calling them insults.

>>716050877
>Heil Hitler

>>716059783
Actually... We do know more about gravity than you assume.
The Higgs boson exists in a Higgs field, and to cut a long story that no fucker here would understand, that's where the effect called 'mass' comes from.

Mass bends space-time and produces the effect called 'gravity'.

You're welcome.

>>716050877
God is Love; Love is God.

That is all. Love (God) wishes for you to be loving to others around you. When you love your neighbors, you become as god wishes you to be.

>>716059648
I don't think you understand the definition you put on the table in the first place. You say heaven exists and everyone is happy there. Why not just make heaven and no Earth? And why did god create me with doubt in my mind? And don't say "free will", because this also breaks the logic behind heaven. Also, citing the bible is a bad way to prove gods existance, because suddenly you don't have 100 million atheists disagreeing with you but also the 6 billion people from other religions.

>>716059118
i would call such separate realms parallel or alternate universes, something like that. i think you could define other universe, e.g. ones with different values for the fundamental constants. we can define or think about things which don't interact with us, e.g. things outside our light cones, beyond the observable horizon, or in other universes. they could exist yeah

>>716060079
I know, I study physics. But we don't know "why" mass bends space-time. Not that we care really.

>>716059985
Complexity is not equal to god.
Lots of things appear complex but are the result of simple rules.
We know and understand many of those rules.
Your god plays no part in the universe we can detect.... and never has, by observation of the night sky.
No god has ever existed and one doesn't exist now. We see no result other than those we'd expect from simple rules being played out.

No god required...

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>>716058363
>Just ad hominems?

That weren't adhoms tho.

>>716060368
Interaction with the Higgs Field.... or did you mean the pointless exercise of asking philosophically 'why'?

That wasn't a question, you negative albino.

>>716060607
You failed to present ANY arguments, you cunt.

Present some and I'll be able to accurately define your cunt'ness.

i do not believe in god .....

>>716053968
>Philosophical thinking runs in my family
ir vry smart, guyz. it's like, heretical or sumthin, you know? like when ur mum n dad n aunt n uncle r the same 2 people, it just all concentrates the intelligence of 4 people down into me

>>716055301
>meme power words
so, let me see if I understand you; stop using words that attack your point of view and then you'll agree with me?

>>716060210
I didn't say that, but I do agree with you that heaven exists and everyone is happy there haha

God did sort of create "heaven on earth" as before the fall the earth was not cursed and there was no sin, but since we are created in God's image and he gave us free will (God did not want to create slave robots, but children in his image), Eve was deceived and ate from the tree of knowledge, then Adam, and they immediately became ashamed of their nakedness and that is when everything went bad.

There is no logic breaking anywhere, what you're doing is basically putting yourself in God's shoes and trying to think in a "Godly way" about why things are not the way you think they should be, but neither you are me are in that position. (Pssst, that's your pride thinking like that)

One thing I personally struggled with was why would God allow Satan to roam the earth and deceive Adam & Eve, now this doesn't make me doubt my faith whatsoever but it's one of the (if not the only) thing that I wish I had an answer to, but I'm only a man.

I barely passed calculus in college, I'm not going to try putting my feet in the shoes of someone who created the entire universe and gave me life :)

>>716057721
so, I think you just proved anon's point. The Abrahamic god, as described in the Bible, is a logical fallacy, and impossibility, and an absurdity.

If you really think about it, it's not that hard to imagine something that could be considered incomprehensibly powerful by humans living 6000 years ago. Since the very idea of something incomprehensibly powerful is virtually indistinguishable from something omnipotent and God's title of YHWH translates to: "Lord of Hosts". It is most likely just the biggest cheese in the universe.

Also, it probably looks weird as fuck, arguably nothing like a human

I'm not certain of that, but I also wouldn't be surprised if terraforming a planet and creating a self-aware species was basically a parlor trick on the cosmic scale.

help I'm taking a shit and it will probably rip my asshole what do?