Who was the best American Civil War general /b/?

Sherman fucked the south up. may not have been the best, but he's my personal favorite. Jackson is a close second

>>715957592
William Sherman Fuck you Confederate Assholes he should have burned the,entire Confederacy from Gulf of Mexico to Atlantic Ocean.Long live the Union

>>715958043
This is true, except they were pushed back by an ambush in my hometown in Georgia. Feels kinda gud

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>>715957592
Grant understood the strategy needed to defeat the south.

Sherman implemented the tactics to do so. He was the first to understand the concept of total war.

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>>715958133
god bless

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Butler. He punched a hole through the CSA by taking New Orleans.

Mcclellan

>>715958472
Grant? Are you fucking kidding me? That raging drunk got lucky.

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>>715957592
>>715958472
However, Pap Thomas would have been Grant before Grant if the Union would have only given him the chance.

Stonewall Jackson. I think it's quite possible that the South may have won had he not died due to friendly fire. At the very least, the war would have been significantly prolonged.

>>715958705
gtfo

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Bragg. Too easy

>>715957592
thelegend27 or Harambe

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>>715958712
>That raging drunk got lucky.
Vicksburg and Chattanooga say otherwise.

And, oh yeah, Petersburg, too.

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JOHN CENA

Lee at Chancellorsville.

>>715958949
His subbordinates commanded half his battles. The fucking drunk was wasted halfway through the war

>>715958712
well, Lee was pretty lucky too that the majority of northern generals were shit tier. He was a smart guy, but against those odds, he shouldn't have won if it weren't for the north not having it's act together

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>>715959080
And that drunk still kicked the rebels ass.

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Benning. He better not've seen you on the battlefield or youd be fucked

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There have been few Americans to reach this guy's level of absolute GI Joe badassery.

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No love for old Kill Cavalry?

I know nothing of the civil war but I fucking love the name Israel Putnam

>>715958043
He was the "best" because he employed slash and burn tactics all throughout the southwest, mainly Georgia. It was an incredibly effective and destructive, taking out a lot of important ammo caches and even large civilian cities and farms. It devastated the south and was definitive in the Norths victory, but that doesn't stop him from being a coward and shit pile for killing so many civilians without even thinking twice about it.

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this motherfucker right here.

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Li'l Phil

>>715959753
fuck the civilians they were traitors thry could have fled fuck them

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>>715959747
>I know nothing of the civil war but I fucking love the name Israel Putnam
I concur, you know nothing about the Civil War.

>>715959953
Traitors deserve the same basic human rights that any wartime area have.
And even if that's your defense the north were the attacking force.
It's called the war of the northern aggression for a reason

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>>715959753
that's war kiddo. If you can't stand it, don't start one

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20th Maine represent.

>>715959755
The real answer right here. Forrest was a force of nature every time he fought, and he had to build every unit he led from scratch.

>>715960149

filename 10/10

>>715959953
>fuck the civilians they were traitors thry could have fled fuck them

being this fucking retarded.

>>715960149
The north had already started pushing the south back at that point in the war, they more than likely would've won anyway
I'm saying that it was a solid tactic and strategy, but only a coward would employ them

>>715960055
Just did some minor googling, I'm cringing

Sherman nigger
Burnt that cracker ass white suprmicist town of Atlanta to the ground

>>715960149
lol
you burned him almost as bad as Sherman burned that shithole down.

>>715958043
>>715958133
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>>715958515
>implying union

>>715960149
Play stupid games win stupid prizes

J.E.B. Stuart

>>715959883

This fellow right here.

>>715960143
No only you asshole Southerners call it the War of Northern Aggression. Fact The Fucken Confederates attacked Fort Sumter fact they broke away from the Union, fact they were traitors, and deserved no quarter, Fuck the South, they got off easy

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>>715960143
Well, you see this was the tipping point of war being between armies and war being between population groups.

Total war means that you make the enemy know that they are whipped.

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>>715960611

>>715960611
amen brother, fuck the south

Ok first I want to say the south was not fighting for "muh slaves". It was more about wanting to them wanting to succeed from the North

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>>715958874

>>715960149
Well, it was the North that kinda started it, IMHO.

Anyway, Nathan Bedford Forrest was likely the best field commander of the war. Doesn't really fit the picture of "general" in the strategic sense, tho...

>>715960611
At Fort Sumter no one knows who fired the first round, it is a fact that the south won the battke, but not a fact that they attacked, that's speculation
>implying this hard

>>715960777
well shit, cant argue with trips

>>715960743
Can not help it I hate the Motherfuckers, BTW I'm White

>>715957592
Nixon

>>715960910
lol lol lol

>>715960897
>implying anyone else gets on this website

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>>715960503
>implying union
>implying fucking traitors count for anything

>>715957592
good old Lee. he lost on purpose because he knew the south was a piece of shit that needed to learn a lesson.

>>715960788
What part of Mississippi or Louisiana you from?They are last in Education for a reason, teach alternative History Un Fucking Believable

>>715960897

Hate an entire group of people based on..... geography? Does that mean you REALLY hate Aussies and people in Southern Argentina and Chile?

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south claims it was a war over states' rights, but they trampled upon the north's laws as much as the north did theirs

>>715961193
I'm from Tennessee and I'm in my third year of being a history major

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Robert E Lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQO7MFk0qw

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This guy right here

>>715961303

How many of the Confederate States voted against succession originally, and only finally joined when Lincoln demanded a draft to fight there fellow southerners?

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>>715957592
It was general basement dwelling brony neckbeard of the SJW faggot revolution of Portland following the 2016 revolution. He managed to mobilize a small army on the downtown and didn't lose a single soldier even though he also didn't kill a single enemy. He is still the only civil war general who did not lose a single man or woman during the entire campaign.

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It was then 4 A.M. Captain James at once aroused his command, and arranged to carry out the order. He was a great admirer of Roger A. Pryor, and said to him, 'You are the only man to whom I would give up the honor of firing the first gun of the war'; and he

Fort Sumter after the battle
The Confederate Flag flies above it
offered to allow him to fire it. Pryor, on receiving the offer, was very much agitated. With a husky voice he said, 'I could not fire the first gun of the war.' His manner was almost similar to that of Major Anderson as we left him a few moments before on the wharf at Fort Sumter. Captain James would allow no one else but himself to fire the gun.

The boat with the aides of General Beauregard left Fort Johnson before arrangements were complete for the firing of the gun, and laid on its oars, about one-third the distance between the fort and Sumter, there to witness the firing of 'the first gun of the war' between the States. It was fired from a ten-inch mortar at 4:30 A.M., April 12th, 1861. Captain James was a skillful officer, and the firing of the shell was a success. It burst immediately over the fort, apparently about one hundred feet above.

>>715961303
Lincoln created the situation that called for the south to fire first, because he could call them the instigators, but it doesn't change the fact that they shot first

>>715961303
Tennessee, you must have missed the class about how the Civil War ( not war of northern agression) began. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts, South started the war, North won the war, and you idiots are still fighting the war. You lost .

>>715959755

So fucking right. Forrest was one bad ass mother fucker.

>>715961602
2016 election*

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>meh, copy pasta fail
It was then 4 A.M. Captain James at once aroused his command, and arranged to carry out the order. He was a great admirer of Roger A. Pryor, and said to him, 'You are the only man to whom I would give up the honor of firing the first gun of the war'; and he offered to allow him to fire it. Pryor, on receiving the offer, was very much agitated. With a husky voice he said, 'I could not fire the first gun of the war.' His manner was almost similar to that of Major Anderson as we left him a few moments before on the wharf at Fort Sumter. Captain James would allow no one else but himself to fire the gun.

The boat with the aides of General Beauregard left Fort Johnson before arrangements were complete for the firing of the gun, and laid on its oars, about one-third the distance between the fort and Sumter, there to witness the firing of 'the first gun of the war' between the States. It was fired from a ten-inch mortar at 4:30 A.M., April 12th, 1861. Captain James was a skillful officer, and the firing of the shell was a success. It burst immediately over the fort, apparently about one hundred feet above.

john wilkes boothe

>>715961694
I'm not saying any of that isn't true.
The facts are no one knows who fired the first shot at Fort Sumter, it could've been either side.
The south did lose and I'm glad they did or we wouldn't have benefited from the TVA and we'd still have no power and have to shit in an outhouse.
I'm just saying that Sherman was a spineless loser that would be the equivalent of a rocket launcher noob in 2016

>>715958464
>feels good to be a traitor to your country
I hope trump deports you

>>715958835
The South was going to lose no matter who was leading them. They cut off the Confederate supply line (trains). The troops were already starving to death which is why they gave up so easily. The Confederacy could sustain itself long term, as long as their railroads were still operational. Without a way to transport supplies from state to state however...

Do you think the outcome of the Civil War is still affecting Northern/Southern relations today?

>>715960777
>Well, it was the North that kinda started it, IMHO
Historical facts don't give a shit about your opinion.

>>715961716

also dubs

>>715960777
apologize and then kill yourself.

>>715962347
i'd rather have a patriotic southern hick than some libcuck. don't waste any spaces on the deportation trains on him

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>>715962291
Camptown races sing this song
Duh dah duh dah

>>715962546
Honestly no, the media likes to put the southern flag topic on TV just to get people riled up at voting time.
Once all the election hype dies down you probably won't see the southern flag, the black power movement, or anything about that because they pull the same topics every voting year to keep people in voting blocks

>>715962822
Doo* you fucking uncouth savage.

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>>715961342
Well, I came down there with my hat caved in
Oh I'll go back home with my pocket full of tin oh doo-dah day

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>>715962822

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>>715962347
Goin' to run all night, goin' to run all day
I'll bet my money on the bobtail nag, somebody bet on the bay.

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>>715957592

The only field general I care about

>>715962844
Well I dont mean the confederate flag issue in particular. I guess I mean overall. This place isn't the best gauge, but ITT people still get up in arms over a conflict that took place over a century ago. Not only were none of us alive back then, our great grandparents weren't even alive back then.

stonewall jackson. no contest

>>715962660
But trips do.

South: I can has secession?
North: lol nope
South: but I wanna
North: STFU or war
South: k war it is
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South: fcuk!

>>715963358
got shot by his own men, what a shitty death compared to what he lived through.

>>715963230
Nice to see another indyfag here

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>>715962844
Well, the Camptown ladies sing this song doodah doodah
Ah the Camptown race track's five miles long oh doo-dah day

>>715963484
didn't know that. agreed

>>715962804
For N. B. Forrest? Never!

>>715957592
Lee, no contest. Sherman would be next.

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>>715963309

Goin' to run all night, goin' to run all day
I'll bet my money on the bobtail nag, somebody bet on the baaaaaayyyyyyy!

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>>715963484
>got shot by his own men,
Can't trust North Carolinians with anything.

Don shoot the genral!

*bang*

wut?

>>715963358
I kinda can't get over his religious fanatism getting in the way of military affairs sometimes.

>>715963484
He wasn't killed instantly. His death was quite peaceful. He was satisfied with his life.

>>715965069
go on.

>>715965242
Well, he wouldn't do shit on Sundays except praying, and sometimes appointed subordinates based on their religious devotion instead of military qualities.

>>715965076
"My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. ... That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave." -Stonewall

>>715958472
Grant was good the way Zhukov was good in WW2. Throw enough bodies at the enemy and eventually they won't be able to maneuver their way out of it.

>>715965076
having an arm amputated and dying of pneumonia is worse than biting the bullet in my opinion

>>715966037
Have to leave it to him that his faith also made him a modest man not endulging in fancy, and probably fueled his bravery, though.

Still, I kinda can't relate to him because of the bible-bashing stuff.

>>715966482
Yeah. I'd prefer a bullet to the head probably, but then I'm not the caliber of man that Jackson was.

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>>715966445
The point was that he understood this concept, unlike every other general in the east to that point.

But beyond the butcher's bill there was also movement which got Grant on Lee's flank at Petersburg. Although Union lack of initiative let Lee get back in position, once it became a battle of posts Lee had lost.

>>715966037
I see. I don't know much about this stuff so I was just wondering.

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>>715959755
Kept true to the cause after the war.

>Put the nigger in it's place.

Modern psychologists think Jackson had Aspurgers. Surprised ya'll didn't bring that up.

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fucker lost an arm and a leg but continued his duties

>>715968299
really? I mean, i knew he was a wannabe crusader, but i didnt know this

>>715957592
Robert E. Lee

>>715968494
Yep. Can't find any detail, but this is referenced in several articles.

>>715968494
Because its a fucking lie. The faggot can't even spell "asperger" correctly.

>>715969145
OR provide sources, apparently.

>>715969145
Read his Wikipedia entry under "Legacy". You will find the scholarly reference there.

>>715959753
>killing so many civilians
How many civilians did his army kill? What proportion were on his orders, and what proportion were soldiers running amok? Use numbers. Please cite your answer.

Jackson held a lifelong belief that one of his arms was longer than the other, and thus usually held the "longer" arm up to equalize his circulation. He was described as a "champion sleeper", and even fell asleep with food in his mouth, occasionally. A paper presented to theSociety of Clinical Psychologistshypothesized that Jackson hadAsperger syndrome,[54]although other possible explanations, such as a herniated diaphragm, exist.[55] -Wiki

>>715962660
Kinda how Ft Sumner was in confederate territory and the Union kept resupplying it? That implys they were down for killing their former countrymen. Sic Semper Tyrannus fgt.

>>715960269
BAYONET!

>not a general though.

>>715969187
Found the aspie.

>>715961288
Correct. And North claims it was a fight over slavery, but they kept their slaves in the Emancipation Proclamation.

The ugly truth is, both sides were fighting for bad causes. The South wanted to keep their black slaves, and the North wanted to keep their vassal southern states.

>>715968340
>>715968340
Hood was terrifying. The man could fucking command.