Anyone feel like fucking with pol and posting results? I got ammo

those unemployment numbers are definetly not true, they sweep people under the rug that gave up looking for work. He's also spent more money than any recent presidents i can think of.. our national debt has grown trillions. He is also holding hands with all the dirty muslim countries of the middle east, and is probably a dirty muslim himself

>>715000914
Obama administration changed how unemployment is reported- that number is bullshit.
Job growth is shit too- Obama killed full time high paying jobs and created part time minimum wage jobs in their place.

Don't forget that after trump was elected, the Dow Jones climbed to an all time high....

people post this cancer on /pol/ every day though, it's entirely due to obama's term starting during a recession

>>715000719
So the economy's doing better now than it was just after one of the biggest financial shocks this century? What an amazing man!

Now add Government debt to that list

pol is already permanently fucked. Bunch of monkeys trowing shit

>>715001105
Where is evidence of what you speak

>>715001153
To be fair, people also criticize Obama on the direct negative effects of the recession.

Obama did the one thing that everyone thought was impossible.
Killed the Democratic Party

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OP here, just gonna set this right here

>>715001194
Better to clean up the mess than to create it. Fucking republicans

>>715001349
Idiot

Comparing 08 financial numbers to now is disengenous.

Compare like 10 numbers to now (they are down).

Once it became "his" economy, it went to shit.

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>>715000719
Such fucking bullshit; there's dozens of ways to look at statistics. Does the unemployment rate take into account the discouraged workers? Does the deficit GDP% include the derivatives bubble? How can you really describe consumer confidence as a percent number? Retarded.

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>>715000914
>>715001105

you arent thinking very hard then

bush and reagan both spent more. both blew up the debt more.

the people no longer looking for work are "swept under the rug" for every president

hes also not a muslim

i dont like obama but when you lie bc youre a dumbfuck who bases reality on feelings, you make the rest of us look bad.

legit reasons to not like obama:
didnt raise taxes on the wealthy enough
too moderate. placated cuckservatives too much
drone killings
unofficial middle east wars
guantanano bay not shut down
didnt fight harder for public option healthcare
didnt take control over congress

stop being fucktards trying to discredit everything

>>715001153
>>715001194
yea bc cuckservatives destroy the economy. blame bush and reagan for that.

>>715001485
>discoraged workers
discouraged unskilled factory jobs*

>>715000719
sure kid. proof, kek
ask the people still underwater what they think.

>>715001768
Stop being lazy and go get a job kevin

>>715001279
try opening your eyes first.

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Only president since 1930 to not serve in a year where real GDP growth was at least 3%.

Debt up, growth down, social unrest.

Easily one of the worst presidents ever.

>>715001290
nah bro, I'm sure it will be the fact he sucked.

>>715001349
sure kid. more tears please.

>>715001859
Wtf? I could i read any of this if my eyes were closed? Lol try thinking before you post

>>715001625
but you are a cuck apparently.

>>715001656
yawn, the retard has arrived.

>>715002055
Hi.. Did you get lost?

>>715001982
uses lol, thinks he will be taken seriously.

>>715002101
low energy post.

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>Anyone feel like shitposting on /pol/ and posting their well-reasoned arguments that BTFO us after?

shouldn't you be out protesting or something?

>>715001876
>one of the worst presidents ever

Which is why, when historians rank presidents, Obama is usually in the top 20 right?

>>715002108
Oh no i wont be taken seriously on anonymous image bored? How can i go on with life?

>>715001322
This real?

pol doesnt need fucking with Trump has already betrayed his voters, just laugh at them

>>715002140
I like just woke up you expect me to have energy?

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OP here again I got some gems

>>715002260
It doesnt have to be.. But republicans will still believe it is

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>>715001876
gdp didnt go up high partly bc obama is an wealthy-placating wuss, partly bc america transitioned to a service based economy, and partly bc intellectual property (our main export) takes longer to develop, sells less but sells for more.

he increased the debt less than bush, less than reagan. he was going in the right direction.

"social unrest" is that what your feelings tell you? completely subjective. unless you mean the retard gun nut conspiray truther fucktards. theyre always at "unrest"

>>715002219
lest they be called racist.

>>715002376
But is it real i need to know. If it is Obama is cool. Oh and Fyi Kanye likes trump.

>>715002284
sure kid.

>>715002655
pulled directly out of your ass. thank you.

>>715002686
Sure kid... That seems to be a pretty popular thing to say itt

>>715002777
mostly kids around here anymore.

>>715002219
Those are just people who have spent much of their lives studying political history. They wouldnt know anything about politics. Sean hannity told me hes the worst so he is the worst damn it

This thread has already become shit, I think this is a new record to be honest.

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>>715002770
>i cant handle truth

>>715002777
>>715002696
russia doesnt pay you guys by the word, do they?

>>715002889
Or mostly shills who cant think of anything original to say

>>715002961
people in his own party say he's the worst.

>>715002777
You did hear his on stage rant right? "Jay Z i know you got killas"

>>715003047
sure kid.

Richfag here. Who wouldn't vote Trump? I knew wall st will crash DC followed by financial deregulation and tax breaks. Thanks for subsidizing poor fags hahahahaha

>>715003073
>>715002889
>>715002777
>>715002696
Samefag and also shitty troll

>>715003073
sure kid. this board is nothing but repackaged BS anymore.

fake news
bureau of slaver statistics hid the figure yielding 5% unemployment
by dismissing 94,482,000 citizens who are off state radar,they do not use the state services to register for work,are not working,no looking for work,the last time there were this many was in the carter recession,obamas' record is liberal cuckery & cooked statistics,hidden truth,hillarys hidden boobery stupidity and fake news,,all,,,,,,,,,,FAKE NEWS

>>715003094
And there are republicans who think trump will be a disaster. Whats your point?

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>>715000719

>>715002658
this

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Maybe fuck off?

Get a job, you filthy pinko virgin with no life.

>>715003205
too stupid to know what samefagging is.
newfag.

>>715003171
unless youre absurdly rich (say top 5%) or follow exactly where trump has his money, youll probably be hit hard during the biggest depression of all time coming up from trumps reckless economic "plan"

>>715003235
that you're an idiot.

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/obamas-numbers-october-2016-update/

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I wrote in David duke bc too many nigz support trump

>>715003302
Y u lie? fag

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>>715003205
Sure kid

>>715003375
y u stupid, newfag

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>>715003232
they do the same thing for every presidents unemployment.

obama is not a liberal.

keep trying, vladimir. youre bound to get something right eventually.

>>715000719
Dow Jones hit a record high AFTER Trump was elected

2/10 for making me reply

>>715003442
fucking tards

>>715003442
Everyone can do that. U democrats need to leave america.

>>715003631
and who is president?

>>715003524
>>715003632
Hey fuck u go 2 Canada libtards

>>715003529
delusional asshole thinks he's talking to Russian spies.

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>>715000719
more like proof that the economy has been waiting for him to exit. The economy has improved just by Trump winning the election. He's not even president yet and he's making shit better.

>>715003647
Nuh uh

>>715003697
Trump dumbass u watch the election?

>>715001485
"unempolyment" stats only take into account people actively looking for work. it doesn't count the 50% of people who just suck off of welfare and don't ever want to work in their life

>>715003710
delusional asshole thinks he's talking to liberals.

>>715003764
Jesus christ

>>715003529

obama is not a liberal? thanks for the laugh dude

>>715003746
Yes so
>>715003782
Fuck u asshat u can move 2 mexico libshit dumbass all of you all LIBERALS!

>>715000719
>numbers a year after worst worldwide financial crisis in decades
>compare them with current best worldwife financial situation in decades

Hmm, I feel like there's more here than just Obama

>>715003715
>10 rubles have been deposited into your account.

>>715000719
None of those things have anything to do with anything of value.
The reality is that we are running out of resources fast and the living systems that support us are going to go away and not come back.
What is the economy based on?
And what is that based on?
Go post on Facebook, democrat. Or go back to /pol/ if this is some kind of retard meta-troll

>>715003868
Nope.. Youre wrong mister shillton

>>715003797
Learn sum education u dumbfuckin queer. U watch the news, Trump is president, school ur self boy

>>715001049

> This is what conservatives actually believe.

>>715003868
>>715003885

still delusional.

>>715000914
unemployment numbers are only based on people who are receiving state run unemployment. its just their to give an idea of how things are. you are a fucking faggot for not knowing this.

>>715003953
Ur the one talkin bout hillary u there shill. If ever came 2 miuorsury id woop ur ass. I'm from west st Louis.

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>>715003853
Name something he contributed to that was liberal. The reason I don't like obama is bc he was way too conservative.

>>715003765
correct. they cook every presidents numbers.

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>>715002015

>>715004093
But trump is the one hiring shills everyone knows that.. And id like to see you try im like 7 ft tall and 500lbs

>>715003976

Trump may have tricked the rednecks but normal Americans aren't going to respect him.

>>715004003
>>715004111
Watch sum news dumbasses get a Brian u morans

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>>715002324
I got me some maymays too!

>>715004227
my names not Brian you moron.

>>715004201
Ur 7foot wide hahahaha
>>715004219
Rednecks are America, the majority

>>715004114

It's actually funny that they call Obama a Marxist. Just goes to show that if you don't have an R next to your name than you're a 'commie.'

>>715004219
sure kid

>>715004076
this is exactly what conservatives want. people off welfare.

>>715002324

This is confusing since half the people against Obama seem to unironically support Hitler.

>>715000719
Dude, that evidence can be debunked in a single statement. Pre-housing market crash vs. post-housing market crash.
>nice try Obama apologists

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>>715001876
Nice sourcing you've got there...

>>715004291
U need a Brian u dumbass. Jn ur head hahah
>>715004333
Obama is a socialist commie Muslim atheist

>>715004327

> Rednecks are America, the majority

No, they aren't. You only won cause half of the country didn't vote while the same amount of Republican who always vote, did.

>>715004114
>>715004114
>>715004114
>>715004114

0/10 low quality bait


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D4I8gADMTM

>>715004335

> Nothing personal kid!

>>715004327
Ouch... Im gonna go get some ice for that one

>>715004475

>Obama is a socialist commie Muslim atheist

You realize these words contradict each other right? Please for the love of our country I hope that you're joking.

>>715004485
U ever been 2 miuorsury u co e here nd ill kick ur ass, people died for that flag

>>715004607

You're trolling. Stop trying to make rednecks look even more retarded than they are.

>>715004444
Source is Bureau of Economic Analysis US Department of Commerce.

>>715004589
Its the same veiws as central asian ussr communism there all Muslim. Hes ginna have a 3rd term as president 4 life just you watch. U liberals don't know shitx

>>715004677
U never served stolen valor stolen valor!!!

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>>715004333
Obama placated the wealthy his entire presidency. Fuckin scumbag and people bought into his dopey smile.

Well, this is 4chan so it is filled with the dumbest rejects of society so I dont expect much in the terms of being able to think critically.

4chan is home to the Trumpers. They dont analyze things, they go off of feelings. They feel like Obama was a liberal. Doesnt matter what he says or does.

There is a shocking amount of americans, 4channers or not, who dont understand what liberalism or socialism are. They hear anything that is not R and think of a dark red sky hovering over dirty clouds covering society while people are marched into dangerous factories by armed spetznas. They really cant think their way out of propaganda.

>>715004756
This is your average Trumper.

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>>715004607
This flag

>>715004756
>>715004861

Please leave our country if you're going to be idiots.

I'll just leave this here. Democrats BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNxIc9gUMc&t=162s

>>715004875
If ur so smart y isn't hillary president?

>>715004875

Obama like Hillary was a moderate who worked across the isle. He was more pro-business than any of the conservatives care to admit.

>>715005085
If ur so smart then how come ur candidate lost. Losers = Dumb

>>715005269

A popularity contest in which many of the voters are uneducated. Trump won because he was a celebrity bimbo who appeased the fears of those in the bread box states.

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>>715004444
Great quote.

Also the poor and middle classes tend to be dumber. 1They have no vision. They cant think of a society outside of the one their in 2They dont understand politics enough to know who to vote for since they are easily swayed by propaganda. These things lead them to not even voting. If americans knew what could be, capitalism and the right wouldve been eliminated 5 decades ago.

>>715005164
I know youre trolling bc im not a retard but there are actually a scary number of people who think like you and are serious.

>>715005220

this.

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>>715004756
That's why he's trying a new hairdo

>>715005220
Being pro business is fine. Obama was pro owner and pro wealthy. Thats the problem

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>>715003332
Except hes already stopping businesses from leaving so its effecting the blue collar in a postive way though

>>715002655
>GDP didn't go up
Lot of excuses for not being able to do something even GW bush did. And the US has been a service economy longer than 2008.

>Increased debt less
Objectively not true. Debit in 2000 was 5.6 trillion or 55.8% of gdp. 2008 it was 10 trillion or 67.9% of gdp. Bush added 4.4 trillion and 12.1% to the debt. Debt in 2015 was 18.1 trillion or 101.3% gdp. Obama added 8.1 trillion or 33.4% gdp to the debt.

He has been a financial disaster.

>Social unrest
Do you not watch the news? Race relations are overwhelming regarded as the worst since the 60s.

>>715005220
Not pro business or else he would of did shit about china and taxed american businesses that left. All of which trump is doing

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Obama fixed the economy guis, I swear. The economy is doing so gr--- oh wait, negative and 0% interest rates....

>>715005438
You are literally retarded.

I don't care if trolling.

Propaganda? You mean like the 24 hour news cycle that promoted Hillary Clinton as the only viable candidate while demonizing president elect Trump and his supporters?

Get real. You lost; get over it you delusional moron

>>715006145
>demonizing president elect Trump and his supporters?

You don't really need to be demonized if the stupid shit comes right out of his mouth. They were pointing out why you guys were being conned and you shoved your fingers in your ears.

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>>715005912
im not defending obama on gdp. i said it was part his fault. there was a massive transition to service after the 08 recession. bush didnt have that. bush also didnt have major intellectual outports like happened under obama.

im on mobile dont feel like fact checking but your premise is wrong. presidents financial plan takes a year to enact. obamas started 09 and goes to 17. look over your numbers. obamas debt grew about 51% cant remember bush. prob like 70 something

again not an obama defender. he was a crappy president.

eh. there needs to be a measurement of social unrest. not necessarily statistics but something. race relations is not the only part of unrest. there were protests since the day bush took office on a controversial win. then his wars. especially second term.
obama being president triggered the rise of trump/"alt right"ers and they make more noise now than in the 90s but theyve always been retards. they finally set off the blacks. cant blame that on obama like you can blame war unrest on bush. not obamas fault the country is full of racist fucktards

>>715006145
except for a few news outlets, most reports on trump aere based exactly on what he did or said.

heres a shocker for you: bragging about sexually assaulting women bc you are rich is not appropriate nor presidential behavior whether you are anti pc or not. trump is an irresponsible, egomaniacal, weasel with no shred of dignity. the media didnt need propaganda to make him look bad.

also i didnt lose. im not pro hillary. hillary or trump is a loss but trump is a bigger threat to america.

>>715006319
Just like they pointed out how Trump wasn't really running for president, or that he had no chance of winning the primaries... or that he had no chance of winning the election. Sorry but the nay-sayers are fully discredited at this point. Now it mostly a bunch of salt and wishful thinking... I dont understand why people want him to fail, it will affect the entire country if he does... just so they can say "Haha, I told you so." Retarded children.

>>715007183
not him but thats not what he was saying you low iq fucktard. he said nothing about whether trump would win or lose, he said media didnt need propaganda to make trump look bad, trump did that himself. stay on topic and make a coherent argument dumbass

>>715001768
what's funny is he tried to get better pay to workers but the GOP fought him on it. it's silly!

>>715007183

I took him seriously from day one when he paid actors fifty buck to come to his announcement speech.

I'd rather he not fail because I like western civilization. The goal is that you're not supposed to put a literal con man in office. How this New York bimbo tricked rural people into voting for him seems to be by the same tacit that he used to scam people from his university.

>>715005912
>Objectively not true. Debit in 2000 was 5.6 trillion or 55.8% of gdp. 2008 it was 10 trillion or 67.9% of gdp. Bush added 4.4 trillion and 12.1% to the debt. Debt in 2015 was 18.1 trillion or 101.3% gdp. Obama added 8.1 trillion or 33.4% gdp to the debt.
He inherited Dubya's deficits. Bush increased the debt while the economy was growing. When you combine his fiscal policies with a massive recession, you get an annual deficit of $1 trillion. Then you get the problem that you don't *want* to decrease the deficit during a recession because that just makes it harder to recover. Obama did a fine job with the hand he was dealt and has reduced the deficit while allowing the economy to recover. The debt that accumulated during his presidency was the direct result of Bush's fiscal recklessness.

You're treating them like humans and not the vicious bacteria that they are. /pol/ users have been purposefully ignorant for literally years now.

If you want to btfo /pol/ users host an alt-right gathering and use some antibiotics on the scum that slithers in

>>715005220

A lot of folks don't realize that HRC actually falls considerably closer to the middle than BHO.

What good did Obama do?

1. Marriage equality.
2. Finally got Bin Laden.
3. Brought a lot of our servicepeople home Mid-East
4. Approved spending to care for veterans.
5. Nuclear peace deal with Iran.
6. The Paris Agreement.
7. Passed other carbon reduction legislation and clean energy initiatives.

Republicans shut down the govt over Obamacare, gutted the bill, then blamed BHO for the holes they poked in it. Still, 20 million more Americans insured.

He patched up some relationships in the Mid-East, but started more problems at the same time. The merciless drone strikes and bombing raids that sometimes killed civilians didn't make us any friends. He soft-balled Israel - to be expected, I guess.

Lowered the population at Gitmo substantially, but never closed it - bargaining tactic with Rs, I assume.

Continued to let oligarchs shit on democracy and the workforce.

His bump-on-a-log approach to the Standing Rock situation was disappointing.

The prison-industrial complex continues to flourish. Would've liked to see something done about that.

All in all, he did what a decent president should've done, and he did it pretty well considering the obstruction he faced - and he did it all without getting any hummers under the desk or grabbing any pussies besides Michelle's.

7/10, I'm satisfied, would elect again.

>>715006077
Hey the stock markets hit record highs even before trump was elected, are you trying to tell me that the health of the market doesn't accurately indicate the health of the economy?

Just because the economy isn't working for you doesn't mean the economy isn't working

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>>715007914
>>715007616
>>715007556

>>715001656
implying clinton was responsible for the tech bubble.

>>715008195

Fake quote and not an argument.

>>715001049
haha.....month to go and has not happened. fycking conservacuck!

>>715005676
then youre going to hate trump

>>715008288
Whatever Jew

/pol/: 6,000,001
Jews: 0

>>715007455
>They were pointing out why you guys were being conned and you shoved your fingers in your ears.
I was responding to this part, fucktard.

>>715008134
You clearly dont understand what that graph is. And no, the stock market has no bearing on the economy. The stock market is driven purely by speculation.
>Oh hey, the CEO of (______) just quit, looks like I should sell my stock before it goes down.
>Oh hey, what do you know the stock went down.

That graph points out that interest rates were at an all time low so banks could buy bonds and pay 0 interest on them, propping the economy up. Sure it gave people some relief from the recession, but what happens when the rates go back to normal? Its like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

>>715001105
just makes you look stupid posting this baseless shit

>>715008121

hey dipshit, the democrats had a majority in the House of Representatives and a supermajority in the Senate when they passed Obamacare.
the responsibility for that fiasco falls directly on their shoulders

>>715008195
Republicans
> 1960: we should fight the russians
> 2016: we should let russians control our government

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>>715008262
He was a good ol boy he dindu nuffin

>>715008262
I urge you to watch this.
>>715005139

>>715007183
Why do you generalize someone as "you people" because of one statement made? He said all media had to do was report what Trump did and said for him to look bad. It's true.

Politics is not a sport. Candidates not something to get emotionally attached to.

There is no "us vs them". Your divicive mentality and emotional attachment to Trump is what brings down America. You need to realize that you are not under attack and Trump is not your superhero. Trump is judged on what he says and how he acts. As are you. As is Obama. As should be everyone.

Turning politics into beating the other team is unsustainable and only makes the country worse. If you used your vote as an anger outlet, voted to beat the other team, or bc you think a candidate is your savior you need to understand that votes have real, serious consequences. If you cant analyze what a person says or does, if you dont have reasonable foresight or a vision for the country, if you blame your personal problems on a fellow common American, if you hold hate in your heart, then you should stay away from the polls or drastically rethink yourself.

>>715008618
The difference is before they were vile evil socialist commies but now they're upstanding capitalist plutocrats

>>715006077
and here we are waiting for another crash but this time buried at the zero bound.
THANKS OBAMA

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>>715008480
I know. I didnt vote for him. Hes a piece of shit. Terrible person, terrible businessman. Just all around scum.

>>715008510
still has nothing to do with your response.

>>715008861
Show me where I said "you people" you incoherent retard.

>>715000719
The bait is strong with this one

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>>715006077
>muh economy
See>>715003951

>>715006145
demonize? you people act and talk stupid shit

>>715009079
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "YOU PEOPLE"?? Bigot!

>>715008736
Milton Friedman was my nigger in College (B.S. Econ). Deff a laissez faire kinda guy myself.

>>715009295
are you sure you aren't more of a fan of war and poverty?

>>715009144
HAHAHA "muh peak oil!" "muh ice ag--- global warm--- climate change!"

>>715008862
who just want to annex a few countries without US involvment

>>715009079
"they said"
"the naysayers"
What you did was categorize anyone who criticized Trump as "naysayers." That is what "you people" in my post is referencing. In doing this, you turned the election into a sport. Your team had to beat the "naysayers". Critiques of Trump is not naysaying. Pointing out his bigoted message is not naysaying. Pointing out his policies' negative outcomes is not naysaying. The media was not naysaying. And it was never you vs them.

You've been deceived into warring against your fellow commonman by the royalty. You did exactly what Trump and the 1% elite who run the world wanted you to do. Give them full control over America. All they had to do was plant a bunch of false hope and turn American commoners against each other.

>>715009607
It will probably be pretty good for the economy

>>715009594
lol science bitches can't even prove 2+2=4

Math debunked

>>715008518

Vast components of the bill got filleted with funding cuts by Republicans during and after the 2013 government shutdown.

They gimped it.

The legislation being funded today is a shell of what the ACA was supposed to be.

>>715010073
Just more evidence that Obama is incompetent, and that socialism doesn't work

Vote General Electric

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>>715009594
More like biodiversity loss, habitat fragmentation and degradation, and those effects in correlation with ecological resilience under large scale regime shifts brought on by climate change, and ocean acidification.
Too name a few general problems.
This is what makes possible for everything you have and you have no idea how it even works.
Your illiteracy shouldn't be our problem, fuck off.

>>715009724
>/pol/iticians
>they don't do it for epic MEMES and KEK
Well I hope they are happy with a meme being the leader of the free world.

>>715009724
Way to be a hypocrite by generalizing what I said, and what I stand for. The naysayers is exactly that. Its not turning it into a sport, its calling out the people who were wrong and continue to be wrong. They got so emotionally attached to what they perceived that they cant come to grips with the fact they are wrong, much like yourself.


>>715009934
At one point scientist believe the Earth was flat. At another point scientist believed man was created by a all knowing deity. Scientist can be wrong, the only thing that makes science work is being able to challenge its theories... thats why they are theories.

>>715001194
>Now add Government debt to that list


Government debt isn't a bad thing. Treasury rates are very low.

>>715010460
but that's not how empiricism works

>>715008618
they are just attracted to the amount of control Putin has

>>715010185
>that socialism doesn't work


Except in instances where it does. Like healthcare in any other country


>but we can't afford it
>pays more per capita anybody else

>>715008510
>but what happens when the rates go back to normal?


You mean when the economy requires a "normal" rate?

>>715010677
Shut up Jew everybody knows foreign countries are just Bolshevik lies handed down from Karl "Stalin" Marx himself

>>715010645
they are complete fucking pussies is what they are

>>715008490
>>715008657

> We're not really Nazi's...but gas the kikes, race war now.

Into the trash-bin it goes.

>>715000719

Trumpanzees are massive retards. Proof here, they don't even know where the fuck they live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgZnrPG37gM&lc=z12wvldrmkvbxxs5504cdbardln0vxrifyc0k

>>715010881

Marx wasn't Jewish as his family converted to Christianity.

>>715010833
Sure. That further proves the point that the economy isn't as good as people claim it to be.

>>715000719
Whats your debt like?

>>715011018
Good goy

>>715011023
>That further proves the point that the economy isn't as good as people claim it to be.


The economy is fine, if a bit anemic. We're nearly at full employment, and the Fed is eyeballing an increase in rates, house prices are rising, etc.

Heck, the Fed Funds rate was raised last year, the first time in like a decade.
If it wasn't for retarded republicans shitting themselves over a useful stimulus package, we'd be doing much better.

>>715011246

> Can't handle reality.
> Avoid facts by making a goy joke.

Good idiot.

>>715010460
>At one point scientist believe the Earth was flat. At another point scientist believed man was created by a all knowing deity. Scientist can be wrong, the only thing that makes science work is being able to challenge its theories... thats why they are theories.

what personal gain do you have from spreading retarded BS like that?
Why do you dismiss all science just because you dont understand how the scientific method works?

>>715010460
you werent respong to a naysayer you fucktard. christ youre a breathing duning kreuger effect. youre too fuckin dumb to realize how dumb you are.

the person you responded to did not say trump would lose the election. he was not a nayseyer you dumbass. you projected your fuckin feelings onto someone criticizing trump just like you used your vote as an emotional outlet. your voting right should be taken away until you can make a coherent argument.

>>715000719
>Syria attacks its own citizens
>Obama and the world say "If the UN proves chem weapons were used, we'll have no choice but to attack Syria"
>Proof comes that Syria used chem weapons on its citizens
>"You dun goofed, Syria, we gon' attack yo ass"
>US navy sends several war ships
>Several countries prepare to gangbang Syria
>Be Israeli soldier
>Manage to get close to a whole free week at home for the first time in ever
>Obama talks about attack
>Israel goes into high alert mode because Syria will probably attack Israel in retaliation
>Within 3 days of being home, get called back to my unit
>Chem decontamination unit
>Get put in tents
>Everything sucks
>France decides it doesn't feel like attacking Syria
>Obama, backed by at least 5 other countries and their naval forces, turns French and runs away from the conflict with his tail between his legs
>After a few days the high alert subsides
>Don't get my time home

Whoever says Obama is so great, why didn't he stand for his word and taught Syria some lesson, regarding the use of unconventional weapon? He's a fucking coward.

>>715005139
>I'll just leave this here. Democrats BTFO
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlNxIc9gUMc&t=162s [Embed]
>>715008736
>I urge you to watch this.

>implying Friedman was right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5lZPWNFizQ

Dumb fucks like him and Alan Greenspan got discredited when the great recession hit in '07.

>>715009724
Coherent, reasonable, logical, debate tier reply, no cursing like everybody else just calls eachother fucktard.

Debates shouldnt be looked at as won or lost.
The only way to "win" a debate is to convince the other that you are right and should be working together.

>>715006319
This. Everyone who voted for Trump (basically the whole of under-educated white America) was betrayed by their own misdirected anger & insecurity.

They see a movement toward equality of all people as the dethroning of the white master race from its rightful throne. White supremacists see other whites sympathizing with people of color (who have been historically disenfranchised in this country since they've been here) and then throw the idea into the air that a certain race of people are being favored and working class whites left behind. Historically, we're not that far gone from institutional segregation of blacks (~50 years), oppression of voting rights for women (~100), etc. The imprinted sense of superiority among white people (white men in particular) is still fairly strong in the collective consciousness of the kind of people who voted for Trump.

What they don't realize is the reason they're getting poorer and are declining in life expectancy is economic. Around the 1970s, the democratic party began to turn away from Depression-era economic policy in an effort to keep up with an increasingly high tech world. They lifted regulations on large corporations, allowing them to merge and conspire with one another, using their powerful wealth and influence to lobby for legislation that would in turn make them more powerful and influential, at the risk of ordinary Americans. We see the consequences of this today. The US allowed its corporations to export a vast amount of its blue collar manufacturing jobs overseas, instead opting for a white collar economy that produces patents in the high-tech sector, which doesn't help feed the aging, laid-off factory worker with no college education. He, in turn, searching for easy answers, scapegoats the even poorer colored people who are trying to catch up, rather than the dickheads in suits that own the country and consider him an expendable resource.

Basically, the Steinbeck quote >>715004444
Nice quads btw

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>>715010262

Current extinction rates are estimated to be anywhere from 1,000-10,000 times higher than they should be.

Coastal cities are being forced to install expensive levies and bilge systems to keep their streets above water. In some places, high tide overflows the sewers and shit seeps up onto the sidewalks.

Heat waves in some parts of the world are pushing temperatures dangerously close to the threshold for human survival.

The US is littered with "dead" ponds, lakes, and rivers - once thriving ecosystems now almost lifeless, or populated entirely by extremophilic algae.

Wildfires. Erratic, violent, unpredictable weather events.

An estimated 90% of the scientific community agrees that climate change is actually happening, is happening faster than any predicable natural cycle, and is anthropogenic.

I don't understand how anybody can deny it, and it doesn't seem like anyone who denies it can actually explain why.

>>715003868
I think you're broken. Your senyence structure is wrong, the content, if my code breaking has worked, is shit. My god we have a retard on our hands.

>>715012012
haha whatever Jew you lose

merica forever fsggot

>>715000719
The unemployment "statistic" is particularly aggravating.

Changing how you calculate unemployment to exclude the vast majority of unemployed people who stopped looking for work doesn't lower the actual rate of unemployment.

Liberals are FUCKING stupid. Wow.

I wouldn't trust any of these false statistics seriously. The unemployment one is a BLATANT FUCKING LIE.

>>715008618
kek

>>715012341

You're everything wrong with our country.

>>715012261
>senyence

science proven wrong

Me: 1
You: 0
Christ: Risen

>>715000719
We were coming out of recession that bill clinton caused on his way out of office with the worst trade deal in modern history fucking retard all obama did was barrow

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>>715012417
>Changing how you calculate unemployment to exclude the vast majority of unemployed people who stopped looking for work doesn't lower the actual rate of unemployment.


You're so dumb and are what is wrong with America.


The government measures that --- those who are 'marginally attached' to the labor force are those who have looked for work for 12 months, and are available. Within that group are "discouraged workers" who have more structural problems finding a job - like lack of skills, long-term unemployment effects, no job in the local area...


And yet, still, with that group in included, the unemployment rate is down.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

>>715012766
Lol bill clinton.
Cmon bro your missing a link..

>>715013355
No, it was Clinton then jimmy carter then Barack Obama liberals always forget history and lie

>>715013322
Fuck off shitstain, they changed how they calculated unemployment halfway through which is why it suddenly dropped from 13% to 6% you fucking tool.

True unemployment is still around 13%-15%. More like 40% for people aged 18-25.

Why do retards believe this fucking shit?

I don't trust the other statistics since unemployment is a direct lie.

>>715013758
I don't get why American can't just kill all the bankers, blow up the federal reserve, pump up military spending, and tell all of our debtors to fuck off because we say our slate is wiped clean?

>>715012417

"Unemployment rate" and "the number of Americans who don't have jobs or are underemployed" are not the same thing.

That "statistic" is a "lie" because it's always been a lie. The unemployment rate counts all Americans who seek unemployment benefits from the government, not everybody who isn't employed.

It was calculated the same way during the Bush administration when unemployment topped 7%.

Obama has created more than 11 million jobs in the private sector during his presidency - Bush crossed the finish line at a loss of over 400,000 jobs in the private sector.

A lot of the jobs created by Obama have been lower-paying ones - something I don't hesitate to criticize.

But you shouldn't call the unemployment rate 'bullshit' just because some people don't fully understand what it encompasses and what it doesn't.

>>715013948
stupid liberal fucking idiots believing lies.

I'm not a conservative, but from an independent standpoint liberals are exceptionally stupid. Conservatives are retarded, but wow holy fucking shit you morons really take the cake.

>>715013893
Instead voters chose to put bankers in the whitehouse and Trump just tweeted to reduce military spending

>>715013761
>halfway through

Through what?
>True unemployment is still around 13%-15%


What "true unemployment?" Oh thats right, its just to retarded bullshit you just made up.


> More like 40% for people aged 18-25.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14000024
>these facts contradict my bullshit
>so i don't trust me them
>its a conspiracy

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>>715000719
>"let's troll pol!"
>trolls /b/ by accident
>yfw this board is just as bad

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This thread is just a bunch of lazy jobless fucks on 4chan in the middle of the day, blaming Obama's administration and not their own lack of initiative. Get a job you useless maggots.

>>715009594
Anyways, your cringepost is besides the point.
The point is that the economy is the study of the dynamics of individuals spending money.
Money which is based on what exactly?
Nothing tangible to the natural reality that it is used to 'represent'. It's all abstract, it doesn't matter how the economy is doing when the real world is running out of fuel for our desire fire and the systems that sustain it are dissolving fast.
One day we won't have any more land to "develop" into your potato chips, or pollinators to germeinate the 9002 points in the frito-lay-PepsiCo-trump/Exxon supply chain that is funneling our resources into your mouth.

>>715000719
to bad he had nothing to do with any of that. thinking he has direct influence on that stuff is as deluded as football fans thinking yelling at their TV helps their team win

>>715013893


>kill the bankers
>end the fed

>wait, why can't i finance a house or a car?
>why can't i get money out of my bank
>help internet

>>715014347
Not every job is a 9-5 monday-friday cookie cutter bore. Think before you speak.

The only thing Obama did for the economy was to give out free shit. NOT GOOD.

>>715014347
that pic is why Trump will get killed by "a random mad man" 2 months into office

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>>715014612

>>715000719
lmao the only reason unemployment is down is because so many people have given up looking for jobs, there are more people without jobs today than there was 8 years ago

retarded liberals don't even understand how unemployment is calculated with relations to the labor force

>>715014469
Derp just buy shit with actual money you fucking idiot.

WHy is it the norm to borrow yourself and your kids into lifelong debt to buy frivolous shit you don't need?

A car is like a thousand bucks. A decent house is 70k or less if you have the common sense to move to a decent area and simply commute to work.

>>715014469
shit I can't even afford to pay myself to plant a garden!!! HOW DOES ECONOMY WORK

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>>715011995
>He's a fucking coward.

...because you couldn't get your week off at home?

Lest you forget Obama got bin Laden and bombs ISIS daily.

>>715012252
My guess is that it's because the fossil fuel industry has its grip on the country's balls, probably dating back to the first oil tycoons. I'm sure the people at the top of that hill have a carefully planned agenda to lobby for legislation, spread propaganda, and deliberately misrepresent facts in order to create a false notion that the climate is not endangered.

And people dumb enough to believe the bullshit rally against environmentalists because, if the climate isn't actually changing and heading for catastrophe, then why is the country spending so much time and money trying to save it?

Even when hypothetically entertaining the idea that climate change is a real issue, those people usually don't even have the perspective to think beyond themselves. They don't feel affected at the present moment, and that's good enough for them to say everything's fine. Or, they figure if it really starts affecting the world down the line, they'll be dead, so let it be someone else's problem.

The thing is, so much of the human population is concentrated along coastlines, and when coastal cities really get fucked it's going to be everyone's problem.

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>>715013322

Jesus christ you are dumb. Even fucking huffpost interviewed the former head of BLS and he says the official rates are wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/unemployment-rate-wrong_n_3619152.html

Assets are continuously inflating, giving people a false sense of wealth. Government inflation measures such as CPI have been repeatedly changed to understate inflation. Likewise, methods of measuring employment are being continuously "revised" to hide unemployment...

The government can only keep printing money hoping to stave off complete disaster. The last tool they have... really is just psychology. The Fed is desperately trying to convince the public that the new inflation is a new "normal" and is a good thing.

The US can hardly afford to pay the interest alone on the national debt. Federal Reserve interest rate controls are effectively broken and stuck at or near zero for many years now. Inevitably, the rest of the world will realize we have no choice but to default on our obligations.

Obama can't fix this.

Trump can't fix this.

Once other countries decide to stop using the US dollar as their reserve currency, it's game over. If the rest of the world stops buying our bonds, it's game over. If the US government stops printing money (the only thing propping up our fake economy), it's game over.

>>715014729
>Derp just buy shit with actual money you fucking idiot.

Yeah, not like the fake money in the bank or as a loan. Idiot.


>WHy is it the norm to borrow yourself and your kids into lifelong debt to buy frivolous shit you don't need?


What are you talking about?


>. A decent house is 70k or less if you have the common sense to move to a decent area and simply commute to work.


Yeah, let me just put 70k in my mattress while I save up. Are you that stupid?

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>>715001625
Except they didn't. Obama added more to the debt than every other president before him combined. Reagan started the crony capitalism bullshit but Obama brought it to a whole new level. Spending billions on infrastructure to artificially create jobs while our infrastructure remains shit. Hell it actually got worse.

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>>715014914
>"you're so dumb"
>"no YOU'RE so dumb!"

you should both feel bad for dedicating time to this jfc

>>715001105
this is 100% true

that's why you look at the labor force participation statistics instead

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/labor-force-participation-rate

obama's administration has been a steady decline

liberals are so fucking delusional

>>715014121

Dude, make an argument. Calling somebody a 'stupid fucking liberal' isn't one. I haven't called you (or anyone else) anything.

Show me quantifiable evidence that I don't know what I'm talking about.

There are six different metrics for unemployment rate used by the BLS: U3-U6.

All of those metrics show a net gain under the Obama administration, and they all show net recovery since the 2008 recession.

>>715002655
You cannot compare reagon and obama and say obama was better. Fucking stupid leftist like you defend that guy dividing the country.

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The United States is drunk. Our liquor is debt. Debt is our #1 export. Soon, the rest of the world will begin to realize that we have no choice but to default on our massive national debt. Already, other countries are openly discussing plans to ditch the inflating US dollar as a reserve currency. Once this begins, it's game over.

Pouring the drunk another drink is not the solution. Massive amounts of deficit-financed spending does not "make" a strong economy. Continuous rounds of quantitative easing (money printing) by the Federal Reserve is causing massive asset inflation and does not "create" wealth. A rising stock and real estate market are the result of a large asset-inflation bubble, not any type of economic recovery as the government would have you believe.

The Federal Reserve interest rate control mechanism is effectively broken and the interest rate has been stuck at or near zero since 2009. Without printing money to do so, United States can hardly afford to pay the interest alone on the increasing national debt.

A real solution requires that we all endure a painful hangover. A recession is actually needed to allow the economy to cure itself of its inefficiencies and reallocate resources to productive sectors. The Federal Reserve must concede that it is impossible to prevent the coming recession indefinitely. Trying to to do so by continuously printing money is fatal to our economy, and our country.

Stop quantitative easing, stop asset inflation, and allow interest rates to rise. Higher interest rates will discourage borrowing and spending, and encourage personal savings. We must restart non-debt financed capital investment in this country - the true engine of a productive, sustainable economy.

Famous last words on the death of the US economy: “The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that. So there is zero probability of default.” -- Alan Greenspan

>>715001876
That's just not true. For example the real GDP growth rate in 1932 was -12.9%.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543

>>715014914
>Assets are continuously inflating, giving people a false sense of wealth.


haha, what? If you think an asset is over priced, then sell it? This is such a stupid sentiment, its hard to know where even to begin......
>Government inflation measures such as CPI have been repeatedly changed to understate inflation.


You were just saying things were over priced. Literally in the sentence before that.
> The Fed is desperately trying to convince the public that the new inflation is a new "normal" and is a good thing.


Inflation is below target. Its not even like 2%. Try something other than the Huffington Post for that....
>The US can hardly afford to pay the interest alone on the national debt.


Which is why interest rates on Treasuries are like at all times lows? The world market disagrees with you.


>Federal Reserve interest rate controls are effectively broken and stuck at or near zero for many years now.


First you complain we can't pay interest on our loans, and you're complaining that interest rates are too low.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>715015031
You know congress killed his plan for infrastructure building? Because it would run up the debt, they said.

Funny it is now a great idea to help the economy and will pay for itself, now the white guy Republican is suggesting it.....


Also, much of the increase in debt was in order to avert full blown depression and stagnation - and to pay for the borrowing under Bush, and pay for the wars he started.

So, no, you are wrong.

>>715001464
Disingenuous* , dumbass. Don't use words you can't even spell.

>>715003171
Im a real richfag and wildly disagree with this stupid leftist. Trump is all big government not even a real conservative.

>>715015457
>Debt is our #1 export.


That means investment is our #1 import.


That means that people think our country is the best place to invest their money.


This is a good thing.

>>715015170
Republicans are such fucking liars

You had c Nares and senate and hamstrung everything he tried to do, and fucked up the budget.

Now you blame him. No doubt when trump fucks the economy with his tax giveaway for millionaires and his infrastructure spend, he will blame Obama

You never take any responsibility do you?

>>715004444
I see his point and agree with the notion, but socialism never took hold in the US because of the Red Scare and propaganda telling people that socialists are godless immoral beasts.

>>715003332
You do know people dont just stay in the one percent right? If you dont know what i mean go to college for a real degree lile economics not liberal economics. Lol they have to name it different.

>>715015170
>that's why you look at the labor force participation statistics instead
That doesn't tell us the state of the economy. Fuck, just click the "max" button and see how much lower the rate was in the 50s and 60s. Was that a time period of total economic loss and destruction?


Nope.

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>>715015457
idk about the rest of these anons but MY liquor is liquor

>>715015556
Obama spent over half a trillion on infrastructure and continued Bushes wars and then got us into more wars. Congress stopping his spending is what lowered the deficit but not before Obama got close to doubling the debt.Which he eventually achieved. So thanks Republican Congress.

>>715008618
>They're gonna support us forever, it's a really good idea to encourage their hacking and sabotage, I've got a really good feeling about this one

>>715002376
>>715002260
>>715001322
Well the man has his own youtube channel where he fucks around I'm sure he's just as big of joke on the streets

>>715016034


What is with the fetish over government debt? Like, Obama's stimulus was the main thing that stopped the economic hemorrhage, but its effects were hampered by idiots curtailing spending.
Like, holy shit, do people here really not understand investment and money velocity.....

>>715015234
Lel ur mom made an argument ot my dick last night
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkek

>>715004281
Fake. Trump isn't that well hung

>>715016034
Yet now suddenly republicans want the spending on infrastructure and tax cuts that they shut down.

Except they want tax cuts for the rich, not those who need it

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So when is the thread starting?

>>715016275


Sprinkle the word "private" in there, and republicans will eat that shit up like catnip.


Spend 1 trillion on infrastructure?
>No fuck you socialism!

Revenue loss by 1 trillion for private grants to build infrastructure
>Yes! Put Americans to work!

>>715016223
So now you're saying debt doesn't matter? Fucking Liberals. Median household income has gone down under Obama and household debt has skyrocketed. Are you going to say that doesn't matter as well?

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>>715015764
No it doesn't. You can't print & borrow money to achieve a productive sustainable economy. At a certain point, your creditors will come to their senses and stop loaning you money. Each dollar created by the Fed causes existing dollars to depreciate in value. That's why other countries are now openly discussing ditching the dollar as a reserve currency. The dollar is no longer backed in gold despite our promise under the Bretton Woods accord, and the US has repeatedly demonstrated it's happy to keep printing money to keep its own economy afloat. Don't be fooled - repatriated investors are returning to the US to dispose of their dollars by converting them into assets.

>>715002658
"Remember not to be racist Louisiana."
Ring any bells?

>>715016583
Yea why doesn't anyone care or not care for medians?? reform now! Increase the tax base and kill all liberals to ensure our freedom!

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>>715003368
>bc bc bc bc bc bcbcbcbccbcbcbcbc
Fuck off.

>>715000889
This is retarded.

>>715016722
Dam you're salty. Obama was a bad president. He will be remembered as one of the worst. It's over and now Trump has to clean up his mess.

>>715017005
I wonder who is going to tell Trump he can't bail himself out by declaring bankruptcy on behalf of the US Govt.

>>715005438
Cant tell if this post is bait or this person is so stupid they havent passed 11th grade mordern history or 12th grade government. How is your art degree going buddy?

i just post super racist stuff, and then go "woo trump maga!" at the end, and they get all butthurt.

that board is idiotic lol.

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>>715003368
>666 hand sign
Trump does it a lot. Look it up. He's allowing the satanic Jew inside him every time he does it for more power, it's the reason he does it. It's a conscious hand sign he's signalling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kazaHYu5ET4

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>>715000719
>Anyone feel like fucking with pol and posting results? I got ammo


Lol, why do you seek our approval? Just go there and teach those meanies a lesson. I'm sure you'll BTFO them all and get some Reddit gold for your success.

>>715016754
Thought you were gonna post proof of that pic not some retard trolling people in NYC

>>715017116
Meme argument. He has a 98% success rate in his business ventures and half of all businesses go bankrupt. It's pretty remarkable really.

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>>715017116
Our creditors: China, Japan, Ireland, Brazil, Germany.... etc.

>>715017358
Jews invented capitalism you dirty kike, take your nose and get out

>>715002212
im sorry but climate change is a thing... the rest is bullshit don't get me wrong but you are a dumb ass for denying climate change.

>>715016583
>So now you're saying debt doesn't matter?


Not if the investment you're making pays a higher return than the interest on the debt.


Government debt was so fucking cheap in the midst of the recession, that the best possible investment was infrastructure -it has well known rates of return, and areas for improvement were already identified long before.

When interest rates rise, when the economy gains steam.......its no longer a good time, and we can focus on debt.

>>715016610

> At a certain point, your creditors will come to their senses and stop loaning you money.


That isn't how that works. Credit is an all or noting thing --- loans are sold at interest. We'll see a steady tick in the price of Treasuries if people grow to the idea that we'll default.

But Treasures are literally the world's safest investment.
>Each dollar created by the Fed causes existing dollars to depreciate in value


1. The Fed doesn't "create dollars"
2. You have no idea what Quantitative Easing is, so don't pretend to know
3. Monetary base is not the same as money supply
>Don't be fooled - repatriated investors are returning to the US to dispose of their dollars by converting them into assets.


Or, in less retarded language, people are buying assets here in America because shit in America is profitable. They're "disposing" of dollars, that shit gets transferred for an asset, and spent elsewhere in the economy.

That is a good thing! We want people to "dispose" of their dollars here.....

>>715015979
>lower the rate was in the 50s and 60s.
I'd like the category "single income household" for 800 alex.

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>>715002260
>>715001322

God you people are fucking nigger faggots. Of course it's not real.

>>715017400
Gold is worthless ultimately. Only bullets and the will to use them actually determines wealth.

>>715017116
God damn anon that was savage.

>>715017466
In order to beat the nose. You must become the nose.

>>715017499

>Credit is an all or noting thing

is not*

>>715017358
easy when you dont pay your workers, scam students, ship your businesses abroad and dont pay taxes

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>>715017358
>He has a 98% success rate in his business ventures and half of all businesses go bankrupt.

I saved this pic from earlier. Media and the uninformed still cling to the belief that Trump is a failure because he had 4 bankruptcies though.

>>715017594
Literally all left wing conspiracy nonsense. Most of Trump's employees love him.

>>715017540
> bullets when a few nukes can wipe out a country

>>715017358
Derp, gets born rich, pays people to do his business, is suddenly a good businessman.

Retard logic. Not even once.

Congrats fam for shutting down all the dumb libs and their cuck reality arguments. Go back to your CNN news leftist dummies.

>>715017504
>I'd like the category "single income household" for 800 alex.
Duhhh.....

Just goes to show that the participation rate doesn't mean what people think it does. You could halve our participation rate a la the single income households, and still have a booming economy.
Or rather:

Jane and bob both have shit part-time jobs. High participation rate, shit economy.

Jane looses her shit job to a robot, and marries Bob who found a higher paying one. Lower rate, better economy.

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>>715017557
>God damn anon that was savage.

>>715017707
looks like someone drank all the cool aid

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>>715017907
*kool-aid

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