I talk to lots of Trump supports that seem to get really mad

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AMERICANS VOTE FOR WHO THEY WANT!

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>>714804920
Electors don't

>>714804527
you really think Kasich is gonna be that much better than trump?

theyre both "pragmatic" moderate RINO insiders

the GOP had a chance for real change with cruz and we blew it. now we have to deal with the mediocre consequences.

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Congress can legally overrule if the electoral college does not vote in good faith. Not to mention what will happen to the electors personally since the contact info for all is released. Not to mention if all else fails and Hillary is forcibly "installed" even after all her corruption couldn't avert a landslide for Trump, guess what happens in this country?

>>714806347
Electors would have to be on witness protection program the rest of their lives if they fuck us over. And these days? It wouldn't save them.

>>714806347
>landslide for Trump
>lost by over 2 million votes.

okay then

>>714804527
The electors will do what the vote has already decided. They know the consequences: years of civil unrest and they'll be top of SOMEONES shit list no matter what.

>>714804527

The election was decided on November 8. Period.

>>714804527
Still butthurt huh OP? Never mind, you can always kill yourself.

>>714806347
>landslide

Try again

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>>714804527
elections are fraudulent
in any case is does not matter who wins
because you lose

>>714806996
on your planet

>>714807417
It really wasn't, though

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>>714807165
The voters decided on Hillary.

>>714805102
Because they're binded to the will of the state's people.

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>>714805581

pfffft, good one retard

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>>714804527
>Can't speak basic English
>claims to be an elector.

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>>714806996
>>714807581

>Thinking a landslide means gain more popular votes.

Nope, it was a landslide of electoral votes. 306 to 232. Or do we need to go over the rules of the US election again like we do every 4 years?

>>714808163
Actually it's every 4 minutes on /b/

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>>714808163
>Nope, it was a landslide of electoral votes. 306 to 232.
The Electors vote Dec 19th.

You can't have a landslide victory for a vote that has not happened yet.

>>714807724

but only the voters in large metropolitan areas, many of whom are illegals

So any predictions as to what the new bullshit thread will be after trump wins the electoral college vote?

This faggot already made this thread and no one replied so he's back for more.

>>714804527
The top 3 would be Trump, Clinton and Johnson. Since it is and will continue to be a Republican-majority House, they would likely vote for Trump anyway.

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>>714809133
how much op's butt hurts

>>714809541
I'm not trying to give any credibility to OP, because he's full of shit. But I think he meant that if electors voted for Kasich, he'd be top 3 in electoral votes.

>>714806347
> guess what happens in this country?

Trump supporters will roll over and over again are it.

A.) they are complete pussies
B.) they have no one to shoot.

> implying killing ng a few EC members is a revolution

Hilary conceded. It's already over you faggot.

>>714810247
Fuck. Autocorrect. To. Hell.

Trump supporters will roll over and Take it.

>>714810252
Concession is not now nor never has been legally binding. Not a Hillary fag. I voted for Gary Johnson.

>>714810372
It doesn't matter, your point was stupid anyway.

>>714804527
Every state has winner take all rules. The electors are obligated to vote for the winner of the respective state. Donald Trump is going to be president. I don't like the guy either but at least I understand and accept the electoral process.

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>>714809541
That's not how the Electoral College works.

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>>714810483
uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuuh
>Johnson
uhhuhuhuhuh

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>>714810607
Then you know if the Electors vote for Kasich than he will be in the top 3.

Then you know the popular vote does not matter. Only the vote that takes place on Dec 19th matters.

>>714810607
>Every state has winner take all rules
Actually, only 48 states have winner take all rules. Nebraska and Maine split based proportionately with the votes.

>The electors are obligated to vote for the winner of the respective state
Also not true. The electors are expected to vote based on the winner, but not required to. In some states, there is a fine if they vote otherwise. But they exist specifically to vote against the choice of the population in certain (ill-defined) circumstances.

In B4 Obama's Martial Law

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>>714808163
306 to 232 means Trump will rank #46 among the 58 presidential elections that have been held. Not really a landslide. But whatever.
http://www.epicjourney2008.com/2016/11/trumps-victory-ranks-46-of-58-in.html

>>714810857
But the vote on the 19th is intended to reflect the winners of each state. Maybe Kasich can be the co Vice President no givesies backside.

>>714811059
It is intended so that the electors can invalidate the vote of the population if necessary. If it was supposed to always go with the results by state no matter what, then we wouldn't have human electors voting a month after the general election, we would just have the votes scored in a non-intuitive way but done automatically.

>>714811312
>trying to explain stuff to trumptards
you have better stuff to do with your time. isn't there any wet paint in your house?

>>714810607
Actually, no, you don't understand. According to the Constitution, a state can assign its electoral votes however it chooses. There's no requirement to even have a popular vote at all, let alone to bind electors to any outcome (state laws notwithstanding).

>>714811480
I'm not a Trumptard. I just respect a process that has been in place for 240 years. Remember, Hillary said questioning this process was "horrifying" when Trump said he would question the results if he lost.

>>714811480
The point of explaining something to Trump supporters isn't to convince anyone. It is a thought exercise of putting information into the simplest terms possible, so that the skill can be honed until there comes a time when it would actually be useful.

It is much like in a philosophy or debate class where you need to actually discuss the question "why don't we just eat all the homeless people?" or when mathematicians talk about "can you turn a sphere inside out without forming a crease if you can move the material through itself?"

what in the fuck is this thread doing off of poll? can someone delete this haha

>>714810607
"Obligated to" doesn't mean they will, and not all states have laws against faithless electors. We have had faithless electors before, it's not like it's never happened. I also accept that Trump will be president, because 30+ electors would have to defect for him to fail to reach 270. But based on recent news articles of actual electors, I wouldn't be surprised if we see 2 or 3 faithless electors.

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>>714811541
The fact that people are still expecting this shit to actually happen though makes me excited to see some threads on December 20th. It'll be November 9th all over again.

>>714804527
OP is another angry cuck that actually still thinks there's even a slim chance of Trump losing after winning the popular vote in the recount.

>>714811668
>Hillary said questioning this process was "horrifying"
>Trump said he would question the results if he lost.
>process
>results
One is not trusting a system, the other is whining about being a loser.

>>714804527
Jesus.

We are not a democracy, we a fucking republic. The election was decided in November when 1) Each stated counted their votes and based upon THEIR OWN LAWS they assigned delegate votes to later vote for the presidential candidate that their own people voted for and 2) When Hillary Clinton fucking conceded.

Firstly, it's not even legal for the delegates to 'vote for whoever they feel like' necessarily. This would be state dependent. I'm pretty well certain that if this was the case in ANY state then we'd have know about it LONG before now and that state wouldn't show up as fucking blue or red it would be hashed out as grey like every other split state.

Secondly, if you want to change anything or be a jerk off like Stine and demand recounts and waste people's time, you have to do it state by state, county by county. PA already said fuck off, FL said fuck off, OH said fuck off, so...where are your swing votes coming from?

Lastly, if there was no electoral college, Trump STILL would have fucking won. It would have just been different rules and the campaign would have been different. You can't go "play you to in a game of baseball" then when you lose go "oh, it's best out of 7" or vice versa. No one fucking bitches when the loser in the world series scores more home runs than the winner. Get over it.

>>714804527
>we Electors
nyuk nyuk nyuk

>>714807724
You're as batshit as Hilary if you think after all the shit that has come out about her and the way she handled loosing (making podestas faggot ass tell everyone she lost, then treating her support base like the trash they are by not even acknowledging them or explaining to them that trump isn't what she said he was just so she could win.) they're just going to install her into the office. She embarrassed the fuck out of the dems and any government she's a part of.

>>714811775
>But based on recent news articles of actual electors, I wouldn't be surprised if we see 2 or 3 faithless electors.
I want to say "of course we will," but with how unprecedented Trump's entire campaign was I'm unwilling to do so. For all we know, there will be over 30 faithless electors switching their votes from Clinton TO Trump.

But yeah, there's practically 0% chance of Hillary being given the election by faithless electors, and the result of it happening would be absolutely catastrophic. Clinton's presidency would have no legitimacy in the eyes of anyone.

>>714811850
The funny thing is, libtards get all hostile and butthurt when Trump supporters celebrate... and yet what with the recounts and the electoral college threats, they keep giving them more reasons to celebrate... every time it's like November 9th all over again... it's really epic to watch :P

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>>714808772
Tell that to the New York Times.

>>714811850
I didn't say I expected it to happen.

Given Trump's clear incompetence, and now the growing signs that Russia manipulated the election to help him, I think it SHOULD happen.

But that would require Republicans to actually give a flying fuck about their country, so no, we're pretty much doomed.

>>714809133
>electoral college votes were rigged for trump
Many keks will be had at the 3rd wave of liberal tears.

>>714804527
Thrump is rotten like Clinton. However at least Clinton is not a fucking idiot

>>714812091
>Clinton's presidency would have no legitimacy in the eyes of anyone.
except for the majority of people who voted.

>>714811863
They don't know he did though. Fake news is still telling them Hillary won.

1. You're a larper and baiter
2. People have a right to be upset when electors don't vote the way they're supposed to. Not saying it's always wrong to do it, just that it's reasonable for the people to not like it.
3. I voted for trump and am optimistic about him. But over half his supporters are retards (same for the dems btw) so why are you surprised?

>>714812177
He won't be mine.. Fuck him

>>714805581
I'd call you a Cruz shill if they existed

>>714804527
>elector
>/b/
Also, this:
>>714808140

>>714806347
Citations needed

>>714812177

it's true. I cried a lot when Bush 2 won. He was the worst president of all time, lied to start an illegal war, got 5000 americans killed and spend billions putting us into debt and recession and the only result was the creation of ISIS. He got off scott free.

Trump will be just as bad, if not worse.

>>714808163
That's not a landslide.
See >>714810962

>>714811997
This.
Basically what I try to say every thread.

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>>714804527

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>>714811997
I often hear people argue that the United States is a republic, not a democracy. But that’s a false dichotomy. A common definition of “republic” is, to quote the American Heritage Dictionary, “A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them” — we are that. A common definition of “democracy” is, “Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives” — we are that, too.

The United States is not a direct democracy, in the sense of a country in which laws (and other government decisions) are made predominantly by majority vote. Some lawmaking is done this way, on the state and local levels, but it’s only a tiny fraction of all lawmaking. But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.

>>714804527
can you vote for putin? i mean thats what a vote for trump was so why not cut out the middle man?

>>714812031
>explaining to them that trump isn't what she said he was
All of Hillary's harshest criticisms were literally just playing clips of Trump's words in their original context.

Trump winning the election and being our next president doesn't retroactively invalidate any of the criticisms of his character. He still used racist rhetoric to appeal to the lowest common denominator; he still made promises he never intended or was capable of keeping; he still is going to fill his cabinet with a who's-who list of cronies and incompetents.

>>714812276
No. I voted Clinton and I am saying that I will absolutely not consider her a legitimate POTUS if she is given the job by the EC. A lot of voters who picked her wanted her to win but will not accept an "at any cost" victory. Additionally, a lot of the eligible voters who chose not to turn out would oppose her presidency if granted through the EC.

>>714812513
So, hey, let's give him a Nobel Peace Prize before he becomes the next Serial Killer in Chief. That seemed to work okay last time.

>>714811715
Underrated

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>>714812411

>>714812235
>growing signs that Russia manipulated the election to help him
What growing signs? Not a single scrap of proof has been given.

>>714812688
>A lot of voters who picked her wanted her to win but will not accept an "at any cost" victory.
And that's why the fucking dems get their ass kicked by fucking retards.

>>714812706

>bb b b b b b b b b b bbbb b b bbb b but Hillaryyyyyyy!

>b b b bbb b bb bbb bbb b bb bb bbbb but Obamaaaaaaaaaa!

>>714812132
It's pretty hilarious that anything they try to do is blowing up 10 x worse in their face. Karma is real, and it's punishing the brainwashed idiots for not using their own brain.

>>714804527
trump has enough states that practice "winner takes all" to win electoral college vote, you dont have a choice in who you vote for in those states if you're on the electoral college, you have to vote for the candidate with the most votes in your state

>>714811997
>We are not a democracy, we a fucking republic.
>republic
Do you literally not know what that word means?

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>>714812669
>But we are a representative democracy, which is a form of democracy.
When most of the demos has lost its franchise, can the country be called a democracy still?

What I don't understand is the rabid, near-sexual level of energy of his supporters, at least on here. Right-wingers on 4chan claim to be anti-establishment libertarians, and they froth at the mouth and clamor about this one guy, who not only represents the establishment, but IS the establishment they claim to hate. He shows every sign of a dictator in the making, yet self-styled libertarians hang on to every word he says, even when it's the opposite of what he said a few months ago.
And the fans are immunized against any attack, since they have a list of a half-dozen words to use against any criticism without thinking about it. (Cuck, libtard, sjw, jew, beta, triggered, Reddit)
This level of mindless hero-worship is a bad sign for the future of America. This is how totalitarian dictators come to power.

>>714812235
>growing signs
You mean CNN saying that obama said he might release some proof after a hypothetical investigation?
No wonder you all shook off Hilary being a stone cold criminal so easily. All she had to do was say "no im not a criminal" and you all squirted in your pants

>>714812901
States allocating "winner takes all" do not do so by necessity. It is not an automatic process. The selected voters still are required to choose who to give the electoral votes to, and to cast those votes in just over a week. If it was automatic, they would have already been cast by now.

>>714813077
stupid people never want to accept the fact they're stupid, so when they make stupid decisions the refuse to change their opinion in fear of looking stupid.

>>714813019
>>714813040
Eleven seconds apart.

Elsewhere I've pointed out that Trump has no experience in politics, he's shown to be immatre, thin-skinned and petty. He rants on social media like a child. He's gone bankrupt several times, he even managed to bankrupt a casino. Trump University is an utter failure. He didn't write a word of The Art of the Deal despite pretending to for decades (then stopped pretending once the real author came out and admitted Trump didn't write it) He lies and contradicts himself constantly then denies it.
Whenever I make these points, the answers I get are either
>you hate him because he said mean things! Boo fucking hoo!
or
>go back to plebbit, cuck
I don't care if he's sexist or racist. I'm both of those things because women are dumb and blacks are uncivilized. But Trump is a moron. That's not an insult, I really think he's an unintelligent person, and he'll be a terrible president.

>>714812894
I'm no sure what is funnier, the mental gymnastics, the reactions when reality bursts their bubble, or the abject stupidity!

>>714812688
I want dangerous and illegal people out of the country
>racist rhetoric
K
This is why we laugh while you cry wondering how our hearts can be so black.

>>714813324
>experience in politics
As if that might ever be a desideratum. Politicians are professional prostitutes. Their experience is in selling out to the highest bidder.

>>714812177
Not my president.

Shillary is well on her way to planning her semi-retirement, book deals, speeches, etc.
She's resolved. Done.

>>714813410
i know! i'm just waiting for the moment all my dumb fuck relatives realize they voted in corporate satin. good number of his supporters are going to be pissed when their pay goes down along with the minimum wage.

>>714813653
What do you have against satin? Is sooooo smooth bro.

>>714813653

It won't go down, but sure as shit won't go up.

>>714813419
If you're going to ignore the things he says which are racist and instead pick non-racist statements, why even bother picking statements still to do with race? You and I both know he IS racist, everyone does. So if you're going with feigned ignorance, go whole hog.

You're fired!
>racist rhetoric

Lock her up!
>racist rhetoric

I think I'll have wheat bread for my sandwich.
>racist rhetoric

Hey, has anyone seen my watch lately?
>racist rhetoric

Christ, man. Have some standards in your shitposting.

>>714812901
No, you can vote for whoever you want as long as you're willing to pay a small fine in the 30 or so states that have faithless elector laws. If it were an automatic process, then there would be no point in holding the electoral vote on Dec. 19.

>>714813486
If you're going to trash political experience because politicians "sell out to the highest bidder," it is inconsistent to support the solution "just give the position to the highest bidder directly."

>>714813212
you dont know how any of that works, no, the electorate college CANNOT vote for trump in california

>>714813653
>corporate satin
Damn that autocorrect! I meant corporate silk.

>>714813757
Well enlighten us with some racist quotes then, non-shitposter.

>>714813653
This is how dumb you liberals are.
That post you replied to was making fun of liberals freaking out then having a shitstorm come down on them for thinking they can do shit like make death threats on twitter without loosing their jobs.
You being the brainwashed libcuck you are, just assumed they were talking about trump.
Way tounderstand your surroundings.
Way to be a conscious human being.
Kill yourself.

>>714813888
True, but non sequitur.

ITT: a bunch of people who don't even know what the electoral collage is debate what they should or will do

>>714812669
We're a federalist republic. Democracy is totally optional in every iteration of the federalist papers and most of the constitution. It ended up being what was the most fair way of choosing a representative but the most important, fundamental, ideal is the federalism and the republic representation. People focus on the voting and the democracy. This is ancillary and not what makes the country work.

We are a really really huge group of individual municipalities. Each have their own governing bodies. Some are commonwealths, some are states. Some are cities. Some are annexed pieces of random land. Some are territories without statehood. Some want to be states....you get it.

This is all represented by the federal government. Each of these individual governments have different, unique levels of power in the federal government and unique laws. They are supposed to govern themselves and then send representatives to the federal government to meet and discuss national issues. They get certain amounts of power based upon their desire to be part of the union (statehood, territory, city, etc). Then they vote or are voted for, or can do things or get various benefits or not based upon their contributions. It is supposed to be THEIR choice. The individual governing bodies have the power. NOT the fed. The fed is just a manager...Like NATO or the UN.

You can't get rid of the electoral college because that would require that there be a national vote. That would mean that your vote for president would be worth the same as the vote of someone from puerto rico or american samoa. That is NOT allowed. They do not get to vote for president. They are not states. They do not get a representative just like DC does not get a representative.

We could take on Cuba as a territory. Give aid, make them apply to laws, but no representation until they gradually comply with what it takes to become a state and then ratify.

Federalism. Republic. Not NECESSARILY a democracy. Get it?

>>714813757

Not a Trumpster, but I think, like many of us, he has more respect for the educated, working black person, than the welfare nigger. Also, yeah, he's a white, 70-year-old billionaire, who probably first talked to a black guy when he was 23. Different cultures, backgrounds, upbringings. Makes him racist? Eh. Whatever.

>>714813757
You spent 20 minutes typing up satire but you couldn't find one video to prove your point?
Go back to tumblr.

>>714814109
How dare you, sir! I hold a Bachelor of Science from the Electoral College and I know whereof I speak.

>>714812829
>>714813196
The Washington Post reported Friday night that the CIA now believes hackers connected to Russian intelligence agencies stole thousands of files from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and delivered them to WikiLeaks in an effort to sabotage her candidacy. If confirmed, Moscow’s efforts would be the most significant foreign intervention in a presidential election in American history.

U.S. intelligence officials had long suspected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s government played a role in the theft of Democratic files earlier this year, but concluded the hackings were an attempt to delegitimize the U.S. electoral system in general instead of an effort to aid a specific candidate. According to the New York Times, intelligence analysts changed their assessment because they believe Russian hackers had also penetrated the computer systems of the Republican National Committee, but did not release any documents from them. The RNC has long denied their computer systems had been infiltrated by foreign hackers.

>>714813908
Sure they can, if they're willing to pay a small fine. It would just be unlikely because members of the electoral college are usually highly dedicated to their party and they would face a lot of ridicule by their party if they voted for someone else.

>>714814146
>federalist republic
A Jacksonian conceit. These days the US is nothing more than a feudal republic whose electors are corporations in contravention of mortmain.

>>714814300

We already had this mother fucking thread.
Ok, so WHAT DO WE FUCKING DO ABOUT IT?

who has been screaming throwing fits,threatening to take it to the streets,burn baby burn?
that would be
democrats

eff
oh

>>714813757
If you're going to be ignorant and pretend trump just pooped out of no where in 2015 to run for president, you must shitpost better than that.
Trump has a long life with many black Asian Indian, ect friends and associates that wasn't talked against until Hillary really wanted to win and told everyone he's racist.

>>714814236
He was typing slowly on purpose in order for you to keep up.

>>714814248
I have a PhD from Trump University, so I'm smarter.

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>>714814300
moron

>>714814451

STFU and sit back and get prepared in four years to cry again when Trump gets re-elected

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>>714804527
>Trump didn't win the popular
That doesn't matter at all. This is why we have the electoral college. Turn off cable news. The russians didn't hack shit and electorate will choose the donald. Look at Wisconsin, he has GAINED votes after their review.

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4760

you are going back

>>714807724
Popular vote is not how we decide our elections.

>>714814032
“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me.”
Some would argue that this was an attack on her for her religion, not her race. I would say that racists cannot tell the difference between Muslims and Arabs in the first place, so it is irrelevant. Luckily, there's more.

Regarding an American (born in Indiana) judge:
"He’s a Mexican"
"We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe."
The idea that a pretend-Mexican cannot do his job properly is, by definition, racism.

His continued denial of Barack Obama's American birth, always demanding further proof, simply for being black. Even after getting absolutely wrecked by Obama releasing his long-form birth certificate, he has still stated that he remains unconvinced.

>>714814300
>I pretend like I don't know Washington post has a past with lying.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/5-biggest-economic-lies-pushed-washington-post

>>714804527
Idiot thinks the Constitution is only what was written down on a piece of parchment and signed in 1787 and not how it has been implemented for over 200 fucking years. Go read a book idiot.

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>>714811997
>This would be state dependent.
Since the vote is in DC, it would not be "state dependent." All of the Electors can vote who they want to vote for.


They just might not be able to go home after.

>>714814624

Oh, ok. Thanks for that informative reply kind sir.

Doh.

>>714814559
>he
(You)
Fify

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>>714814747
spoken like a true jew

>>714814786
MEGO

>>714814804
The electoral college doesn't meet as one body. They usually meet in their state capitals and vote.

>>714814559
Actually, any slowness perceived was because I was replying to other people. Also, the posts were 3 minutes apart.

>>714814747

you are racist

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>>714814747
If that's the best you got, then color me unimpressed. What else ya got snowflake?

>>714814927
That would be Rule 30, Alex.

>>714813077
Yeah. I generally like his policies but this freaks me out too.
And I literally don't understand it. He seems like such a douchebag.

>>714814146
And indeed the American form of government has been called a “democracy” by leading American statesmen and legal commentators from the Framing on. It’s true that some Framing-era commentators made arguments that distinguished “democracy” and “republic”; see, for instance, The Federalist (No. 10), though even that first draws the distinction between “pure democracy” and a “republic,” only later just saying “democracy.” But even in that era, “representative democracy” was understood as a form of democracy, alongside “pure democracy”: John Adams used the term “representative democracy” in 1794; so did Noah Webster in 1785; so did St. George Tucker in his 1803 edition of Blackstone; so did Thomas Jefferson in 1815. Tucker’s Blackstone likewise uses “democracy” to describe a representative democracy, even when the qualifier “representative” is omitted.

Likewise, James Wilson, one of the main drafters of the Constitution and one of the first Supreme Court Justices, defended the Constitution in 1787 by speaking of the three forms of government being the “monarchical, aristocratical, and democratical,” and said that in a democracy the sovereign power is “inherent in the people, and is either exercised by themselves or by their representatives.” And Chief Justice John Marshall — who helped lead the fight in the 1788 Virginia Convention for ratifying the U.S. Constitution — likewise defended the Constitution in that convention by describing it as implementing “democracy” (as opposed to “despotism”), and without the need to even add the qualifier “representative.”

>>714814590

I got my masters in welfare from Obama U.

>>714815036
You should have quit while you were ahead.

>>714815072
>snowflake
>cuck
>libtard
you niggers are boring as shit with insults.
you're making me miss the bush years when his supporters could at least be clever. fuck.

>>714815162

kek

>>714814936

Is that the sequel to "Everything I don't like is a nigger or a mexican" ?

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>>714815140
The Scots nailed him.

>>714815054
So what? Some people are better because of where they come from. This should be obvious to anyone who hasn't become retarded from being buried in PC propaganda.

>>714815162
Bullshit. Obama U doesn't give a Masters in Welfare. Everyone who works for 6 years to get that degree are told at the last moment they will never qualify on account of having worked for 6 years.

>>714815147
That might have been then.
But this is now. Now is anything but democratic. The people done got Bernaysed.

>>714813077
Let's break it down for you.

Whenever a politician talks I look for 4 things:
1) Core belief structure.
2) Agenda.
3) Are they genuinely trying to help people in their mind?
or
4) Are they try to take over the world?


Everyone of reasonable sanity tend to spout random ideas but if you listen to enough of them you get some CORE belief from them. "Christian" "Libertarian" "Bull Dyke Lesbian" "Pot head and wants to surf all day for free" something like that. Find that and you have their:

Agenda. Are they trying to sell you something? Oppress you? Help you? Get you out of their way? Generally just survive?


Now, with a politician you need to know 3 or 4. Anyone who has acquired any semblance of power is trying to do ONLY 1 of 2 things: help you or take over the world. Figuring this out can be really hard though.

I am 100% convinced that Hillary Clinton is determined to take over the world.

I am 100% uncertain as to what Donald Trump is doing. Personally, while I have no idea his agenda, or his core beliefs, I find it far more likely that he (at least in his own mind), is genuinely trying to help. I don't see any reason why a person in his position would bother with the presidency if they were trying to take over the world. It seems like an unnecessary waste of effort, money, and time. That combined with the EXTREME distaste for him in DC just compounds this. (He lost DC by 97%...it's only 2:1 D:R...he should have gotten at least 20% of the votes...)

I'd rather have unknown than for sure loser.
It reassures me that 97% of that shithole town hates him. I would burn that whole place to the ground and start over if I was president. Literally. No survivors.

>>714813324
All of this. And yet somehow enough voters don't care.

>>714813888
Too smart for the chon

>>714814227
I don't know or care whether trump is racist in his heart. But his appeals are racist and he riles up racist support. That's bad for America.

>>714814595
Actually this goebbels quote is a perfect description of trump

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>>714814962
Yeah, no.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html

>>714812552
Except, it is..

>>714815572
The classical distinction between a sociopath and a psychopath is that the sociopath knows what he (in this case, she) is doing is morally wrong and the psychopath believes what he is doing is morally right even while the rest of the world disagrees.

Ergo. There are no sane people in politics.

>>714815903
A win isn't a landslide when Trump couldn't even get 60% of the Electoral College and he lost the popular vote. It is insanely successful compared to the predictions, but that isn't what determines landslide. You might be looking for the terms "underdog victory" or "comeback."

>>714815731
>Actually this goebbels quote is a perfect description of trump
It also describes Her Reptilian Majesty and my wife. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

>>714816101
I'll take "hanging chads" for five hundred, please, Alex.

>>714808163
The people who got more electoral votes have lost at the college more then the pexpletive who had a better popular vote, reds don't always vote red, blues don't always vote blue. They aren't even legally obligated too.

>>714804527
>even though we don't have to
You speak for the Electoral college do you? Tell me more about the color of the sky in your world

>>714815283
They're not trying to be clever, they're trying to lower the level of the conversation until no discussion of truth is possible.

Don't talk to internet trump supporters. They don't have opinions, only a hollow sense of worthlessness and nihilism. To them it is totally fine to believe that clinging to a guy who got famous for firing people will create jobs. It's not that they think it makes sense, they're reveling in the fact that it doesn't make sense and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

Let them die of prescription pill abuse and move on.

>>714805581
>"pragmatic" moderate RINO insider
Trump

>>714816101
306 vs 232 is a pretty fucking big landslide when everyone was saying it would be the opposite essentially. lol you probably get your news from the huffington post though.

>>714815572
>is genuinely trying to line his own pocketbook.
ftfy, you schizophrenic piece of shit.

>>714815147
What it actually ended up mutating into is always up for debate. And what you're copying and pasting is just semantics.

The point is that when originally conceived, the US was to be a series of individually governed bodies. The electoral college was to work similarly to the house and senate in that it should 'even out' the voting power in a manner which allowed smaller states to have some say.

This exact issue is why the UK just left the EU. They were a single vote and could never pass referendum and the rest of the EU would pass legislation that would then be forced upon the UK. If the EU adopted an electoral college, this issue could potentially have been averted. Each a vote, and each a vote by population.


The fundamental problem now is that the number of votes (also in the house and the senate) has never changed as our population has changed (well minimally). Originally, a representative would have been per 10,000 people. This would put about 32,500 people in the house.

Similarly it SHOULD mean that to win the electoral college you should have to get 27,000 votes, not 270 votes (give or take). To me, doing like you used to do when you were a kid and you got tired of playing a bored game and just putting a 0 on the end of everything would fix it. You would allow for more movement in the voting. Each state would start with 200 votes + population.

This would allow the states to correct the issue themselves. California and Texas could handshake deal to 'split' their vote like OK and that ALONE would probably make everything more fair. But it would never happen or be of consiquence unless their were 'partial votes' (aka a couple 00s at the end).

NIGGER

>>714816217
somebody watched the west wing.

>>714815903
Oh. I stand corrected

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>>714816460
Landslides are one thing, upsets are another.

>>714816217
Did the bus that took you to school have ANY other seats?

>>714808163
That's the distribution of the amount of electors who've been selected for each side by state, which usually has very little to do with who people want, and more to do with who spent more on special district fixing. The selected electors have yet to cast their vote yet, and like someone else said, only 2 people in history have lost at the college with the popular, many more have lost with more electors the same color as them.

>>714815981
Neither sociopath or psychopath are DSM terms....

>>714812411
>>714812513
>>714813564
niggers

>>714804527
So get this /b/ro

1. 37 electorates would have to reject trump
2. The house would then vote on the pres from the top three (Keep in mind that house is Republican Majority)
3. It won't be Hillary
4. Trump is your next president
5. You're a dumbass for not reading the rules.

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>>714816755
We swept it. President, House, Senate.

>>714816903
I did say "classical". I don't think the DSM even existed when I was at school. Also I notice that the DSM has been back-pedalling of late.

>>714804527
The electors are supposed to be merely a channel for the will of the people.The government is supposed to be by, of, and for the people. When you take that away, people get pissed and rightly so.

>>714813077
>reddit

Oh yeah slide that one in so you can invalidate being called out for being a reditard driven by MUH UPBOATS

>>714817083
Be that as it may, the term "landslide" was being applied to Mein Drumpf's supposed victory over Her Reptilian Majesty. Not the House, not the Senate. And the people will lose regardless.

>>714817304

Did you make that yourself little bugger? cute.

>>714816802
Nigger

>>714817108
>I don't think the DSM even existed when I was at school.
Are you 85 years old? No. Then fuck the fuck off, idiot.

>>714817304
That's offensive,
.
.
the words succeeding and Obama don't belong in the same sentence!

>>714810607
No, they aren't obligated to do shit, and for very good reason, they have a free hand because in the early days before telegraph, they needed the free hand to vote for someone else if information came to light about one of the electees did something or something was revealed that either barred them from the presidency, amoung other things, now Congress can overrule this if it happens but only if it was in bad faith, and all electors this election have the fallback that trump didn't win the popular, which in any other election system means he would of lost, less people voted for him, so literally any vote casted by any electors is in good faith, legally speaking.

>>714813821
If they were Republican Electors, then they would vote for another Republican, never a Democrat. it's also hilarious watching the Democrat Electors taking their votes away from Hillary..should be a great show..but it's all just a show at this point, since the Senate just looks at the numbers, sorts out the faithless voters, and gives the correct Elector votes to the appropriate runners up.. so Trump will win either way.. and Hillary will still be the disgraced, corrupt, politician..

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>>714816619
I don't mind the electoral college. I just wanted to point out that America is both a republic and a democracy. Copypasta is easier than typing it out myself.

>>714813908
Except, they might.. Democrat Electors have been talking about going off the rails. And some were from Cali..

>>714817656
>never a Democrat.
Or they could take the high ground and elect hillary knowing full well they'd own her until the next election, then run someone who isn't a cheeto racist with twitter tourettes.
It's not going to happen, obviously, but it would put senate republicans in a much better light, give them a massive PR boost, and get trumplethinskin out of their way.

>>714804527
The the electorates decide to go against democracy and not vote, expect a civil war and the first target to be on their heads, simple as that.

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It will be ok guys. Everything will be fine.

>>714818063
Hell, they could elect hillary and still keep pence as VP then wait until they can impeach her and get the bland motherfucker in the oval.

>>714815520
Only in the minds of communists and adult children..

>>714817507
62 and a cognitive psychologist. "Idiot" has a couple of meanings for me, neither of which should apply.

>>714811668
The process is factually horribly flawed, designed in an Era when sening a message across the country took days, not seconds, barring the fact that it's a first past the post system, which is objectively worse then any other voting system, would could gut out the entire electoral college system and just tally votes of the individual aka the popular vote, the only reason it's not like this is because scumbag politicians make billions off of the systems used to assign electors, stuff like special district drawing alone makes billions of dollars, not because its a time hone system that's rigorous and thoughtful, it's abysmal, and dated, like driving a horse and carriage instead of an electric car.

>>714804527
Coming from a liberal (whos also actually educated in political science n shit)

John kasich was by far the best conservative choice. He was facts before politics, then a republican after. That is what your goddamn country is missing.

Anyway, theyre right. Trump losing the electoral vote would have severe consequences for the US, potentially worse than a trump presidency could ever be.

Best you just deal with it. Seriously.

>>714818254
>62
a) prove it, faggot
b) the DSM was first released in the early '50s, which you'd know if you weren't a lying 15 year old piece of shit.

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>>714816954
Kike

>>714816755
Only the liberal baby is upset, for the normal humans, it's a landslide.

>>714811850
Its happened before, more then once, alot more then once, candidates who won the popular and lost at the college number at 2.

>>714817245
Only the cry baby, bleeding heartless, liberals will be the ones that pay the price.

>>714805581

I'm with you, m80.

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>>714816989
You're a dumbass for not reading the OP.
Congress gets to pick from the top 3.
Electors: Vote Kasich
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-kasich-letter-20161205-story.html

>>714818398
>John kasich was by far the best conservative choice.
Fucking this.
The race should've come down to Kasich and Sanders.
I'm liberal as fuck and I would've voted for Kasich over Hillary with only minimal hesitation.

>>714818126
It IS dangerous to give people the impression they cannot change the direction of their country peacefully!

Here's how Bernie can still win

>>714818244
During the election we had to put up with the nonsense spewed by people in India and Israel pretending to be Hillary supporters. That was insufferable. But now we have to endure pompous bullshit from the True Believers of the Second Coming of the Great Prophet Zarquon. This is even worse.

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>>714817129
>The electors are supposed to be merely a channel for the will of the people
No they're not. Read the federalists papers. There is a reason they're REAL people and not just votes.

>>714806347
>a landslide for Trump
Haha :^)

>>714818063
Yea, wouldn't happen.. they wouldn't risk putting her corrupt ass in play. Wiki leaks sealed that deal for her and Podesta and the rest of the DNC.. these libtarda had better be careful and make sure Trump gets in, or Pence will be next..and those that think Trump is bad will be sitting on pineapples naked. Also, no proof Trump is a racist..but much to prove be is not..

>>714818241
Have you noticed that the developing message of "Designated Survivor" is that the VP will assume office?

O tempora! O mores!

>>714808163
>landslide of electoral votes. 306 to 232
You can't say something dumber as a rebuttle. Kek

>>714811997
>No one fucking bitches when the loser in the world series scores more home runs than the winner
Most people do kek. That's why its falling in popularity compared to everything else

>>714817656
Faithless votes don't just get cast out you fucktard.

>>714818847
It wouldnt be libtards, though... It would be a pretty large majority of pledged rnc representatives.

The fact this even made the news and a few have them even siad they wouldn't vote for trump should be a huge flag as to what a mistake youve made.

Hillary was terrible.. Sure.. In past elections id have had no problems with the republican candidate winning.

But Trump... Holy shit, America. How badly has your education failed you. Oh my god.

>>714814248
>Bachelor of Science
>implying its not a Bachelor of Fine Arts

>>714818441
Cognitive psychology is not "sickie psych". We kept Freud at arm's length and we avoided anything that confused description for definition (such as the DSM). You should, too.

>lying 15 year old piece of shit
Those who show no respect deserve no respect.

>>714816619
Smaller states should have a say according to their size, they shouldn't have more power just because their size, the entire EC system is retarded, give the little guy a bigger voice? Please the president should be the person to represent the majority interest, not the minority.

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>>714815355
To this

>>714819422
Post your wrinkled fucking ball sack or drop the lie.

>>714818899
>rebuttle
Res ipsa loquitur.

>>714819381
BS trumps BFA.

>>714819622
You are therefore dropped, child.

>>714818496
What's the number at for a president being elected by electoral college votes changing to their opponent?

>>714819539
Smaller states (by population) contribute more to the continued success of the country than their populations suggest. You can't feed a city by the gardens in that same city, you feed them with food grown on farms in less-densely populated states.

The EC would work better if, instead of doing away with it, all 50 states (and DC) split their electoral votes to match the direct vote in the state. This allows political minorities' voices to be heard in the large states (eg Republican votes in California and Democrat votes in Texas would actually count for something) while also giving small states a voice federally that more closely resembles their contributions.

>>714804527
vote for trump or kill yourself. a standard republican is worse than clinton.

>>714804527
This is all just Horse shit.

Just bring me my god damned Coffee you fucking mexicans

>>714819848
None but our system is so badly designed that they could both end up under 270.

>>714804527
>Why bother having an election at all if the threat of an uprising matters more than the Constitution?

Ask Hillary's faggot chills that rioted after the elections you spinning fuck wad.

Liberalism is a disease that only napalm can cure.

>>714820286
>protests are riots
silly little trumptards.

The constitution says for the electoral votes to vite with their state and protected america from the tyranny of the majority vote forcing the electoral vote to elect trump because hillary was to stupid to appeal to the majority of states and electoral votes instead she decided to get the votes of a few large cities

>>714819900
Maybe 100 years ago, you think the crop yields of those farmers would be as high without the works of many more scientists? farmers really aren't even needed that much anymore, automation will get rid of them, andid blue collar work all together, soon enough.
To be quiet honest I think divisions like states, and even countries, is stupid, we are quickly approaching when the big divide will be what planet you were born on, not which part of a rock, the intrest of the majority is usually good for everyone.

>>714820067
John McCain and John Kasich are amazing humans. They dont share my beliefs and views, and id have voted for them. Especially over clinton.

If you cannot see the problem with Trump, take your fingers out of your ears and stop screaming "lalalala" because it isnt hard.

This dude is a joke (always was) and his cabinet line ups are both against everything he told you hed do (not surprised) and the ultimate end to america.

I remember you were all going batshit crazy on here calling hillary corrupt when you found out goldman sachs gave her money. Now you have three, count them, THREE employees possibly including the CEO of goldman sachs running your country's economy..

How are you still in these threads? We didnt like hillary either, but we tried to warn you about this shit.

>>714820522
It says none of that, maybe you're thinking of the federalist papers?

>>714804527
Half or better of Trumpnite's know they have fucked up and will bitch andcry but actually breathe a sigh of relief. Truthfully they just want to save face with there peer group of alt-right Nazi friends.

>>714820286
You know liberalism is by definition a system that promotes human rites, constitution, democracy and your participation in your government, right?

Thats what liberalism is. Youre mad at college kids and millenials... Not liberalism. Conservative voters ironically screen and uphold more core liberalism than liberals do. To the points it eye roll annoying like "muh freedom of speech. Muh rites." Familiar?

While we're at it, a friendly reminder that roads, infrastructure, 911 services, social security, free elementary and high school for your kids and many many more services are socialism.

>>714820347
When they are destroying cars, windows, business like in Liberal wonderland Portland and other places.

R I O T S

Burn all Liberals on a pyre. March your asses to the 'Fema camps'. So sick of this shit.

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wake to reality, Oops here comes gravity.... YOU LOST. Electoral votes = True diversity in a Democratic Republic. We are NOT a Democracy. Enjoy your life snow flake.

>>714820989
>human rites
Res ipsa loquitur.

>>714804920

americans are to stupid to know who the best ones to vote for are.which is why there country is headed to the 3rd world

>>714806347

>guess what happens in this country

the same thing that has happened for 8 years with obama,people will complain and sit on there ass for the next 4 years

this is why people like edward snowden wasted there time,americans are to stupid and lazy to do anything about there federal goverment anyway

>>714820347

at least those trumptards are happy and not acting like spoiled children because the gender card didnt win them the presidency

>>714821353

wouldnt say they lost yet,they just havent cheated enough to win the election.hillary will get in the white house one way or another.america isnt worth saving anymore,not since 2008

>>714821843
Hillary will never be POTUS. At best, 37 faithless Trump electors will keep him from the majority he needs by throwing their votes behind someone like Kasich. Problem is, to prevent complete collapse of the system they would NEED to choose a Republican to elect and ALL Republicans bowed out in favor of Trump when he got the party nomination. There is no one else to select, so Trump will be POTUS.

There's just no way for Hillary to come back politically from ignoring the advice of her husband, who knew how to win presidential elections, and losing the race to Trump. Remember, Trump only won the Republican nom because Clinton leaned on media to give him free advertising to weaken whatever candidate eventually won the primary. In other words, Hillary lost to a candidate she herself hand-picked to be the best possible chance at her victory.

>>714816891
No one in the history of electors has lost the election due to faithless electors.

>>714810857
You retard if 1 elector does not vote trump they will kick him off and replace him with one that will the ec is only a formality of tradition

>>714810908
The will just replace the one that does not vot trump and replace him or her with one that will

>>714811312
Its only a formality their vote really does not matter if 1 votes against the vote of the people they will fine him or her and replace them with someone that will vote trump

>>714806996
Couple points

1) conservatives in CA and NY don't turnout which heavily skews the popular vote

2) the popular vote is a much easier path to victory than the electoral college for republicans

3) illegals were encouraged by Obama to vote without any consequences (huh/ makes u think)

4) ballot stuffing and other shenanigans were found in each state recount (favouring Hillary)

oh and dead people have some suspicous voting patterns

>>714807165
There would not be another republican president for at least 20 years. Next election the house and congress would also be lost to the democrats.

cry more liberals

>>714814671
/thread

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>>714821353
>YOU LOST. Electoral votes
You can't lose an election that has not happened. If we just went off what was "supposed to happen based on precedence" Hillary would have won.

The Electoral College votes Dec19th.

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>>714824209
>>714824386
That is not how it works:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

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Dem congressman: Electoral College has 'right' to weigh Russian hacking
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-russian-hack-david-cicilline-232469
>In Federalist No. 68, Alexander Hamilton wrote that a major purpose of the Electoral College was to stop the “desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils.” He said that the College would “Guard against all danger of this sort … with the most provident and judicious attention” from the electors.”
>The CIA report must be made public immediately and the Electors of 2016 should take careful note.

This baits pretty sharp boys.

>>714824804
Libshits are literally braindead zombies and the small percentage that pass the turing test understand these facts but ignore them

>>714829767
Why do believe that is the case?

>>714830205
not sure but there is a clear divide or double blind between the people who run the democratic party and their masses of followers

make u think

>>714804527
>I don't get that logic

That's because you're a moron.

Clinton conceded, you lost

>QED