DISCUSS: Brexit is the single worst thing to hit the UK since

Stay mad, faggot

>>714678749
Stay poor, cuck

No one cares at this point.

>>714678548
I agree, it was a bad decision, but it was also a democratic one, so even though I don't like it, I will accept it.

Theres more to life than just the value of the pound and cost of living. It's a small price to pay to have our sovereignty and control of the borders back.

The EU is a sinking ship, and you're clearly too disillusioned to realise it.

>>714678898
Listen, we *know* America torpedoed itself by electing a clueless cheeto, and that overshadows things if you're there. But we're still here and we still care.

Yes to the vote recount and electoral college re-think. Yes to second EU referendum in the UK!

>>714678548
death to traitors

>>714679232
democracy= just keep trying till you get it right?

you probably fancy yourself anti-facist too

>>714679232

Where do you think we are?

>>714678548
Not a britbong, so feel free to ignore, but...
I can totally understand the thinking behind Brexit voters. I can't imagine having some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels telling me what kind of toaster I'm allowed to buy/sell.
Couldn't you have a common currency, market, freedom of movement (for citizens only), and defense without all the bullshit?

>>714679831
Actually, the EU is a democracy, just almost noone realizes/bothers to vote.

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>>714679831
Thats what the bongs are trying to do . . . keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners. The EU is laughing at them. Its all or nothing dumbfucks.

>>714680100
Democracy... where the common people have no say and only one or two countries have genuine influence.

>>714679151
>So much misunderstanding of democracy

We elect a representative democracy by way of general and by-elections. Referenda are opinion polls. When was the last time you thought the top 40 had a decent quota of actually good songs, right? This is the future of the country, not the X-Factor.

Stupid opinions (almost a tautology) should not govern the direction of those whom we elect to make difficult but informed decision on our behalf. If we governed entirely by plebiscite, we would not have had an agricultural or industrial revolution, no empire and would not be on the world stage as we now are.

Plebiscites take the temperature of a country, that's all. They are not a mandate, and if a stupid outcome (barely) pokes its head up, then it's the job of the House of Lords and the Judiciary to take a duty of care to the country, to ensure it doesn't plunge itself into a ravine.

Fingers still crossed that they're still not too pussywhipped and cowed by racist troglodytes to step in and do their job.

>>714679168
Yep, there we go: 'sovereignty'. Do you know what that word means? Do you know that we already had that, all along? Do you know that immigration and border control will remain exactly as it was before? UKIP and BJ cucked you good m8.

>>714678548
I'm calling for Scotland's independence, then maybe north Irland and maybe even Wales

>>714679363
>Not entirely convinced that democracy doesn't equal 'tyranny of majority'

>>714680328
So many tears spilled, bless you child. Throwing your toys out of the pram as soon as something doesn't go your way.

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>>714678548

You're a cunt. We haven't even started article 50 yet.

The irony is the UK has set in motion a series of events it has no say over with nations it's done nothing but insult for 42 years who decide what kind of economic relationship it will have when half its economy is reliant on EU trade :) stupid. Blow off your foot and dip it in poison stupid

>>714680958
And you wonder why Scots want independence...

>>714680659
Translation: 'I'll be first on the scrapheap when the storm hits, and I'll look to the sky and curse the heavens - "Why, God, why did you forsake me? I thought you were on Old England's side!"'

>>714681522
Scots forget the reason they joined the Union in the first place. Idiots

>>714680958
Genuine question: why do you think those 'pro' bits are feasible? Also, how do Brexiteers intend to implement them, since there's no plan?

Why is there no plan? Is it because the euroskeptic junta didn't actually think it would win? Now, I'm no Tory, and certainly no fan of Cameron, but I did respect him when he basically threw the reins to them and said 'I'm not dealing with this shit, you quacks sort it out'.

And, be still my beating heart, it's still not 'sorted out', because the engineers of self-destruction are exactly that - no plan, no leverage, no clue. To those who would call Remainers 'traitors', I put that right back at you, since you guys are the ones who want to scuttle the UK for the foreseeable future.

>>714681677
You already had the same fucking monarchs at that time

>>714682372
You just said you respected Cameron for handing the reins to the fuckers who ballsed the whole thing for us. Now I don't think the remainers are traitors (they are entitled to freedom), but I don't see why I should have to clean up this mess, especially when Europe has been actively taking steps to take all of our talent. Why should I work for a system that does not work for me?

>>714681677
Scots are canny. They unionised to save their economy. Cicumstances change after 300 years though, weirdly. There's certainly a chance to de-unionise, to *ahem* save their economy - and honour the polls of its constituents.

>>714680229
We have as much say as we do with our own parliament, we elect MPs for our government and MEPs for European parliament. Like I said, it's not a well known fact, though, I'll grant you, some countries have the right to veto.
Source: https://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/what-can-i-vote-for/european-parliament

>>714680328
Fuck you asshole, iust because I think the people should have a say in the direction of our country, doesn't make me ignorant of democracy, and just because people opted out doesn't mean that they're racist troglodytes. Your attitude is a big part of what's wrong with the country at the moment. Rather than accept things the way they are, try to make the best of it and work together to do what's best for those most affected by Brexit, you're happy to namecall and generalise like a child.

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>>714678548

>Brexit is the single worst thing to hit the UK since WW2

agreed, the good side lost

>>714682372
>why do you think those 'pro' bits are feasible?
Because all it is doing is taking the middle man out of the equation, in this case the EU.
>Also, how do Brexiteers intend to implement them, since there's no plan?
Our part is done, it is now up to the government. They need to activate article 50. Hopefully Theresa May won't sell us out for the single market. We'd be better off trading with nations that don't hate us, or want to control us.

It is no wonder that there was no plan since Cameron was so arrogant to think he couldn't possibly lose. Also the government fails to represent the people since eurosceptics are a minority in parliament. If parliament did represent the people then there would be a slight majority of eurosceptics.

>>714683054
I won't stop them. English taxes go towards funding their socialist haven. Who will pay for their uni fees once they leave? Once the EU refuses them they'll come crawling back. Their pride needs to take a big hit.

>>714678548
What you fail to see, is when the EU collapses within the next 10-20 years, we'll be in a much stronger position than any country that still remained. We'll have trade and many other issues sorted out by then.

We all knew it would probably increase prices, but we all voted for it regardless. Purely because there is more to EVERYTHING than just the economy and it would do people well to try and see more than 5 years in advance.

If you're worried about a few more years of economic hardship, then you're part of the problem. The EU is failing, it's time to jump ship.

>>714680194
>Its all or nothing dumbfucks.
But why should that be?

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>>714680194

>keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners

14/88, anon

>>714682975
I think the entire point is that the disenfranchised felt that the EU system did not work for them, but do you think an unworked unplanned UK system under the Tories or UKIP will treat the working classes any better? I predict mass migration to Canada and Australia of our 'brightest and best' if this fiasco actually goes ahead.

With that in mind, can anyone tell me an actual tangible and plausible benefit to Brexit - even if everything goes perfectly (which it won't)?

Nothing about immigration or 'sovereignty' please, because those things are not changing, and I'm personally tired of hearing them.

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THIS is the worst thing thats come out of brexit

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>>714678548
nice b8

>>714679168
typical dumb brexiter logic. you dont even know what sovereignty is and the brain washers have done such a good job that you look like a cunt because for the last 6 years the number of immigrants from outside the EU, which we do control, has been bigger than that from inside the EU. What a dick you are parroting this bullshit you havent got a clue what you are talking about and are probably just a scared racist

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>>714684510
your paint skills are shit

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>>714684317
Probably still thinks the £350m bus claim is still real.

>>714684797
Not anon, I think that was kinda the point..

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EU BTFO

RIGHT WING POPULISM FTW

LEFTISTS BTFO, ON SUICIDE WATCH

HOW WILL YOU FUCKERS EVER RECOVER?!?

>>714683986
Have you not read the news yet today? The EU negotiators are saying they will offer UK citizens who feel they unrepresented a chance to become EU citizens with all the rights and benefits.

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>>714678548

cry more you stupid fucking shill

Nigel Farage for World Leader

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>>714678548
>have a little less money in the short term
>Or have your children raped by mohammed and his friends, and your country turned into a 3rd world country within 40 years

they took the right decision

>>714683623
1) Sorted out? Tell me your masterplan, no actually tell no 10, cos our PM doesn't fucking know.

2) The economy dictates the price of bread and booze. Tell me it's not important.

3) It's a problem you created.

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>>714678548
MUKGA

>>714685398
1: I'm not in government, but again the plan you're talking about is a short term plan. Again, please try looking further than 5 years of the current government.

2: Stop being stupid

3: By voting the leave the EU we created all the problems the EU had before we voted to leave the EU? Refer to my point 2.

>>714685848
Again and again and again with this...
A poll is not a vote.

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>>714686015
a referendum is the government asking the public how to proceed on an issue

>>714686015
Sure thing, just keep moving from question to question, avoiding any actual debate. It's almost like you just don't know what you're on about.

Or you're trolling. Either way I feel bad for you.

Even if u leave, 45% of your country's exports go across the channel, that won't change overnight. It's simply easier to trade with geographical neighbors than say Australia which is 2 and half months by boat. And to continue trading with them u will need to Athearn to all the rules they set otherwise u don't trade with them, lost leaving is kind of pointless as now you have no say over the very rules u have to abide by whereas before u did.

>>714686015
A referendum is the government asking the people how they want to proceed on something. It is effectively asking the public to decide on an issue.

>>714686255
The referendum is actually not legally binding in any regard. The UK Govt has the ability to simply ignore it at the risk of seeming undemocratic.

It honestly is just like a poll.

>>714678898
What difference, at this point, does it make?

>>714686494
And what does that have to do with the original topic? The government gave the people a choice, the choice of the people was to leave. Why give the choice if you never planned on going through with it?

If remain had won, would the government now be deciding if we should just actually leave?

Stop being silly.

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>>714685848
>waa the EU is failing so lets leave
>Noo you can't just bail on the UK when its failing

You're clearly mentally handicapped, its okay. Sit down and enjoy your tard yogurt.

1. I can kinda see where you are coming from, and yes, I don't doubt that the people will see sense and vote for a PM that can get in the mud and sort out a lot of fundamental issues. But you can't say a plan will exist that will "make Britain great again".

2. No you. Actually wait, again I can see where you're coming from, but this is a discussion about leaving a free market. The economy does come into play into many peoples decisions about this particular thing, both short term and long term. Recovering from this economic blow will take a long time, much longer than you are suggesting. It matters in the long term, just as much as your other vague ideas (I'm guessing you're talking about other geo-political events such as war and also domestic policies)

3. No, but you did vote to leave instead of staying and using that democracy to help repair the damage.Surely you can see the long term benefits of the EU, outside of the "economy".

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>>714678548

>>714679831
>I can't imagine having some unelected bureaucrats in Brussels telling me what kind of toaster I'm allowed to buy/sell.

this how fucking stupid you are

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>>714686494
>It honestly is just like a poll.

I don't understand the absolute hate for the EU from many Brexiters in the UK. How many wars and how many British lives have been lost because of European disunity over the years; and now finally since probably the time of Charlemagne Europe is United peacefully and all you want to do is break it up again. What on earth would up replace the EU with, shorely their are benefits to it and not just problems, no political system is or ever will be perfect

>>714687303
the EU is fucking corrupt, a neoliberal scam made for the benefit for corporations. watch the brussells business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E

>>714686652
>But you can't say a plan will exist that will "make Britain great again".
But I didn't say that. In fact I never said it would make anything great. But I have no doubt it will be a better position to be out in the next 50 years than it would have been to remain. Brexit isn't a magic wand that makes everything perfect, it's just the first step in a long and complicated process that will be at the centre of our country for a long time to come.

>Recovering from this economic blow will take a long time, much longer than you are suggesting.
I am not saying it will be instantly sorted out, I am saying we knew the risks. We knew it would lead to an increase in food and other prices. What I am saying is we voted for it regardless of those issues. Economy was NOT the biggest issue for leavers. It was mostly democracy and controlling immigration. We know it will take years to sort out, but we are prepared for that.

>No, but you did vote to leave instead of staying and using that democracy to help repair the damage.
We tried that. Many, many times. Other countries have tried it, but the EU won't budge on areas that the public (of many countries) want changes on. We've been trying for ages to get reforms on immigration and free movement, but the EU will not change any part of it. It's not that we haven't tried, it's that the EU will not try and negotiate properly.

For someone who started off calling me mentally handicapped, you did a good job essentially putting words into my mouth and then arguing with the points you made up. Good going.

>>714687515
So what's the alternative then? Bunch of independent nations being picked off by much larger nations with the exception of Germany, France, UK, collectively your actually quite strong, individually only a few are at moderate levels

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>>714683903
Fuck yes brother

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>>714680194
>keep the good stuff but cut off the foreigners

That's exactly what the brit bongs - and any country - should be demanding you fucking retard.

>>714686804
then maybe that brusselic act that states that a snail is a land fish?

>>714678548
> single worst thing to hit the UK since WW2 as far as the economy and international relations is concerned.

you have no fucking idea how the world works,
brexit is good because instead of paying the master nation of the EU (germany) an insane amount of tax on literaly EVERY transaction britain can now only pay its respective country that it is trading with for example, they will only pay france and not pay anyone else or any other country for dealing with france in what ever deal they are making,and avoid all the other bullshit,
basicly its backroom deals with whoever they are trading with and not giving a penny to the E.U which is why it is good for relations
or do you want to live under the 4th reich

NOTHING happens in the E.U without germanys approval. they are the masters of europe, the difference this time is they didnt use tanks...

>>714687885
Yes. Because the EU ties nations with fundamentally different cultures and many more problems in an attempt to eat away at their monetary sovereignty first and foremost, and only then at their policies and economies.

Just tie a fuckton of shoes altogether and see if that mass of people can walk straight.

There is noone apart from foreign powers taking profit out of the EU situation, and simply by opening a book you can figure out which superpower pushed it in the first place.

In the meanwhile, switzerland is doing just fine.

>>714687885
>independent nations
yeah why not?

>>714679232
Brexit: The most idiotic thing any country could do to itself.

USA: "Hold my Beer..." *elects Trump*

>>714688497
How many trillions of dollars have the Germans spent on building and improving in Europe since 45 and all you can do is make reference to the Nazis. As the largest nation in Europe they would always have a large say, esp if they have to pay e.g. the Greeks.

>>714688636
Well Switzerland is still bound to eu laws to a degree and must allow freedom of movement regardless, their referendum recently was pushed aside as it did not conform with free movement and thus they were threatened with being cut off. Now of course their situation is unique as they are landlocked. The same will apply for the UK with regard to all goods and services that's if they allow us to even sell services in the first place

Cry more liberals

Business confidence is up
Obama backed down on disowning us
The EU is still falling apart
Polite elite are panicing
Exports are up
And hopefully out before more waves and waves of 'women and child refugees' that all look like 6 foot men

Metric system is a better system of measurement though

>>714688639
If say the UK sat down with the US to do a trade agreement, who is in the stronger position? Now if all of Europe do the same, who is stronger? Individually you can't compete but collectively you will get a much fairer deal because of your collective size

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>>714689613
The UK is much better positioned in a bilateral UK-US deal than an EU-US one.

Are you too retarded to see why is?

>>714687584
Yeah you didn't, there are those that have. And they all call immigration a problem, yet can never explain why.

>>714678548
Democracy doesnt work. Only people smart enough should be able to decide government policy and who gets elected. Democracy means any moron gets a say who gets elected, and that is bullshit

>>714690495
Because unrestricted, free movement of all people within the EU is not good. It encourages a healthy, young work force out of the countries that need it into the ones that don't. It creates additional strain on a countries infrastructure. You cannot budget properly if you have no idea how many additional people are coming that year. The problems aren't exactly non-existent, people just like to ignore it because saying something will make you a bigot.

Immigration is not a problem, I think most will agree we need it in some form. You will find most agree that uncontrolled immigration is just plain dumb.

>>714690291
Lol like that pic, yes your probably correct regarding that because of cultural similarities, but what I was getting at was the relative strength of either negotiating party. The US is bigger and stronger so it gets a better deal for itself. The EU on the other hand has a slightly bigger economy and as such is herder to bully in negotiations because of what it brings to the table. This changes nothing in the regard that only 15% of your exports go to the US and 45% go across the channel. You tell me which one is more important for the health of the UK economy?

>>714678548
>>714690515

http://bit.
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>>714690515
And the social welfare policy in the UK is ensuring that the smart are too busy working to have children, while the dump are receiving redistributions to breed. Thus ensuring the dumbest have a greater vote in the future.

Socialism! It's grrrrrrrrrrrrreat!!!

>>714689348
The only thing that somewhat links them to the EU is Schengen related. We still have laws to expatriate troublemaking foreigners, control immigration, our referendums are absolute (and we've been slammed by the EU before, didn't care and went on with our lives), and our monetary system is still somewhat in our hands. The country is laughably irrelevant both politically and in size, yet here we are, in a better position than France, Spain, etc...

There's a reason why all swiss people are against the EU.

>>714688947
they collapsed the greeks in the first place

please stop watching bullshit propaganda its making you miss the entire picture

you think a nation wouldnt seize the oppertunity to take control of europe if given the chance, no matter what they did in the past..

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>>714690738
What you say makes sense, but you also need to remember that a deal with the EU doesn't always mean a deal with each individual country in the EU.

Not all countries can and would benefit from certain deals and those that don't will find they probably still have to pay towards that deal even happening. In some situations, being a collective makes sense. There are many where being a collective doesn't and many countries would benefit from doing their own solo stuff.

The EU is full of poor and "doing okay" countries. It's a very bad mix and a very unfair system right now.

>>714690735
Mate I'd rather have a Polish plumber any fucking day of the week over a fucking mud slime Paki, at least the cunts white and Catholic

>>714690971
Controlled immigration would still allow Lukas from Poland to fix your sink. It just might mean his 5 friends can't come.

>>714690908
top kek

aldi and lidl...

>>714688009
And that's goddamn /thread ladies and gentlemen

>>714688947
Germany's "bail out" of Greece isn't charity. They're currently in the process of stripping Greece of any valuable resources or remaining profitable organisations at the kind of discount prices only available to a debt collector.

>>714690971
and they fucking fought and died for the brits too, and arnt trying to impose their way of life in their country on britain

>>714678548
wow they have even bigger crybabies on the other side of the ocean.

>>714684036
yep a dictator tyrant the is in power illegally because the voters were misled

dont forget you voted for a NEW government for brexit, not the torys by default.

I was against brexit, but since seeing the EU's attitude towards britain since I think fuck them. I'm still shocked we're trying to stay in the single market. Single markets force countries to produce products solely for export. The more a country relies on the export the more trapped they become in the system. Look at Italy for instance. Fuck the EU, fuck the single market and fuck immigration.

>>714690886
The problem started with the introduction of the Euro which was created of the deutchmark. Greece historically has had very high lending rates as their economy is a laughing stock, but with the introduction of the Euro they were now able to borrow at German levels. So what happened they went on a spending binge and that's why their economy is fucked, best example was the Athens Olympics, they could never afford it, the problem with the Greeks is they want a northern European lifestyle but can't afford it

>>714690738
Except that is factually incorrect. Historically France outside the EU had much more leverage in deals with anyone, for example.

Also look up the TTIP.

And please stop drawing conclusions solely from logic. It stops working when you don't have all the information available. Go check facts instead.

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>>714690738
Way to miss the point.

Whose interest is the EU going to prioritize? The UK or Germany+France etc.?

You tell me, Einstein....

>>714690824
did anything I said imply I was OK with dumb people breeding? people who are already alive should be cared for but Im all for preventing dumb people from having more than 2 children. im also all for smart people being bred for more than 2 offspring.

fuck your little government pussy shit

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>>714691416
>greek economy a laughing stock

you are either too young to even be talking about such things or you have a fucking short memory or you are a troll

>>714678548
Yeah you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Please stop talking.

>>714691501
Well once article 50 is evoked, France and Germany will proitise their interests over yours, France just wants to fuck u over and Germany is trying to herd cats by keeping the EU together :)

>>714678548
I love it when liberals cry.

>>714691946
I'm conservative, just realistic about relative strength in a global world that's all.

>>714691905
thats what the media will brainwash you with
but really, we all know they will be doing backroom deals making cash trading with britain and not paying or playing by the rules that they set up for the EU.

>>714678548
>>714679151

so much bait

>>714692284
Yes to a degree that is always true, but in some cases your demanding things that cannot be given, members get a better deal than an outsider nothing will change this otherwise there is no point to the club in the first place

>>714692076
You're not a conservative. You're in favor of giving away your national sovereignty for money. In my opinion, you and all others like you ought to be tarred, feathered and driven into the channel to die. And that's coming from an American. Fuck you.

>>714691905
>France and Germany prioritise the UK's interests over their own right now
What? How far down the cuckoo shute do you have to be to see Germany as a mother figure looking after the interests of her neighbouring countries.

Germany owns the EU. From Germany's perspective, strengthening the EU means strengthening Germany, nothing more.

>>714692576
thats why they go to back rooms for the deals people like you dont think exist..

>>714692701
I am a conservative I just accept reality, by getting out of bed each day I'm selling out for money. Nations are no different, now I would love to have what I believe in but it's not gonna happen no matter how hard I try, that's life

>>714693124
You're not selling out for money. What fucking hyperbole.

You're chosen to trade your time & effort to the person who values your abilities most.

>>714692940
Then how come May keeps asking to be invited in but always gets the cold shoulder when she asks. They are not interested in letting her in cuz they have the cards over her. U only let them in when they have some leverage over u otherwise u ignore them. Weak ppls are ignored the world over for this reason

>>714692766
The EU was constructed mainly by France to contain Germany and make them pay for its construction and maintance. Now after 50 plus years the Germans are over being pushed around and expected to fund everything with no say. But that being said Germany is only one vote out of 27

The only people who give a shit about bremain are SJW faggots and pakis and they can both fuck off

>>714693702
That's certainly a cute perspective on the situation the Germans have there. Somewhere, somehow you've still managed to make yourselves sound like the victims. I wonder if anybody else in the union would share that sentiment.