>>699597199 interesting - earlier in the day Inoticced a new sort f post happening - critical of trump to start with, but saying hillary is no better. just like this.
subtle - it is aimed at those who think trump a buffon, quite rightly, but then it makes the false association with Clinton - undermining her as well. an attack on clinton supporters, disguised as an attack on trump.
where it gets even more interesting is that in that thread we started to see multiple posters quickly posting the same sort of message. If someone was critical of trump you would get three or four answers that used the same argument, often using the same insults "Dumb nigger" was common to several.
then when anyone suggested it was shilling for trump there were a flood of claims about the DNC emails - claiming lots of stuff was in there that isn't, and refusing to give quotes or examples.
the responses when asked for quotes were again fast and multiple - and often used the word "spoonfed" even when it was made clear that the poster had read the emails and done their homework, and was just pointing out that the emails did not containt he lies that were being put forward.
then an accusation of it being Putins lie factory bots was made - and a flood of back to the future graphics appeared within a minute. - all trying to suggest that this was paranoid old fashioned cold war stuff, without ever arguing that of course Russia would never be pumping out propaganda or shilling for Trump, oh no, they are our friends and allies and do not approve of Trump's anti Nato andti Eu annti Ukraine policies, and they have never given him money, no no,
deflecting criticism with the same lame joke.
Has /b/ been infiltrated by the Putin boys?
inb4 back to the future, cold war is over (oh no it isn't!) dumb nigger and hillary will rig the election just like she did the primaries look at the emails...
>>699598597 Well then what the fuck do we do. I at least try and think that way, that they see him as a threat. If half of the country for the last 200 years has said the president is fucking retarded and that everything he does is completely wrong then what does it matter
>>699597199 I think he cares about america, I think he has a crazy amount of pride (he's a nationalist so that's hard to dispute otherwise) he's 70 so he obviously wants the country to be good for his kids and their kids. The best way he knows how to aco plush this is to make the middle class as wealthy as possible and reduce the people living in poverty to an all time low. He probably wants cultural homogeneity as well as it'll reduce our crime rates massivly).
So does he care about every citizen? Probably not any more or less than anyone else. But dies he want the average American to live a comfortable life, able to lift their head high and say they love their country? Absolutely.
Hillary on the other hand was mentored and funded by george soros (she admits this, this isn't a conspiracy) soros is the same man who mentored Merkel and gave her the Islamic migration plan. Hillary doesn't care about the citizens or the nation, she cares about money and globalism.
So yes. If we are comparing the two, I'd say trump cares about citizens morethan hillary or any recent politician for either party.
>>699599120 >Every politician who has ever lived didn't care about anyone else Calm down, Michael Moore. You're just as close-minded as the slave to Trump and Clinton. Politicians are people too, and they HAVE done things for the interest of others in the past. And not every U.S. president has been some upper 1% sellout.
Everyone agrees that politics in America and the two party system are corrupt and broken. Voting for Hilary will just continue this mess. Getting Trump in there might mix things up because he might be so horrible people will start to realize change is necessary. You can't make an omelette... so vote Trump for a better America.
Well you just made my point Hillary isn't any better and Trump wouldn't get the support from Congress to do his off-the-wall stuff the only hope is that Trump wouldn't f*** anything up for the next 3 years until we could get a true right wing Conservative Republican in office.
>>699598849 no they have not said that. Ok, they said it about Bush jnr, but he was retarded - everyone knew it was Rove in the chair. But we have never had another candidate in all of history, that has been so roundly dispised and distrusted by everyone - his own party, the judiciary, the intelligence community, the army, the senate the congress, and everyone, as well as the opposing party. Every other condidate has been acknowledged as a worthy opponent, even if they disagreed with their policy. every other candidate has been seen as sincere, and capable.
Trump is none of those things. he is deeply unqualified.
>>699598522 I had a great boss once, really cared about his employees, right up until the company went under. I had another boss who didn't even know my name because he was always out working on business deals. Still work for him, lots of work and lots of pay. I tried to pay my rent once with good feelings and intentions but my landlord was a real dick about only accepting money.
I hate shit libs complaining about the establishment and how they don't care or get shit done
So then when you suggest a new idea they freak out
>no I want more of the same
Example : >I hate bush >he's bad and did wars and no child left behind and common core and debt >let's vote in Obama and hillary >who supported and continue the war, no child left behind, common core, and debt >let's pretend they're our ideas and are great ones
Demographics are changing radically, and rapidly. White conservatives are literally dying off. America's not becoming - but 'became' a liberal country. Texas is a swing state. Hillary's winning in Georgia.
The GOP is dead. Its ideals are dead. White racists abound - but there are way more Hispanics, than there are white bigoted republicans.
Conservatism died in Cleveland, during the RNC. Democratic Socialism is the new order of the day in America. Whites in the south/Midwest don't matter anymore. And matter less, and less, every year.
>>699600602 he was the first. the term 'socialism' isn't scary. stupid white racist conservatives made it scary. Bernie is the first. we're a newly-liberal country. yes, Bernie is the first - of perhaps thousands of socialists. his loss was to be expected. in 2024, a Bernie will win though. And again in 2032. And in 2040.
>>699599120 firstly, I am not in America. Secondly, I used to be very active in politics, in my own country, and knew a number of politicians at national level. I worked for an MP, and met ministers and briefly, two Prime Ministers, socially, not just in formal meetings. I found that the people I worked for cared very much. Passionately.
so my experience I think contradicts your inexperienced prejudice.
your cynicism is not unusual, and maybe warranted to a certain extent - watching the antics of the Republican movement in the last thirty years I would agree that they don't give a shit. I would not agree with that about the progressive side of politics, and Clinton is a progressive. I think she cares a lot.
It is why she got so annoyed about the questioning about when the intelligence people determined the cause of the bhengazi attack, and sid that frankly that did not much matter to her, what mattered was finding out who did it and bringing them to justice, and making sure it did not happen again.
which is the difference between her and the Republicans - all they were looking for was a scandal and blame game and pinning some point on her. she was actually trying to get shit done.
>>699598443 He is the description of establishment elite. He bought and paid for the establishment for decades and now claims to be different from . At the same time he hired establishment economic advisors like Larry Ludlow to devise a tax plan that gives tax breaks to guess who: the establishment
>>699601098 If this white racist patriarchy existed, it would never die without violence. Pure numbers couldn't defeat it without violence. If it existed, it would maintain power through apartheid if necessary. It clearly doesn't exist and is just a scare tactic/ dividing point.
>>699599271 I don't think it is obvious that Donald wants the best for his kids - other than to screw one of them. He wants the best for him, and always has. He has never served his country in any way - always the Donald comes first.
His tax policy and economic policy, as far as he has one, is likely to utterly destroy the middle class and the poor. and that little phrase cultural homogeneity - you mean ethnic cleansing, don't you?
Hillary on the other hand has served in public life and campaigned for the rights of women and minorities all her life.
your last line is just incredible - the idea that he cares about anyone but himself is laughable, the idea that he cares about ordinary people more than Obama, Clinton (bill) or Carter, or even Bernie, is just ridiculous.
>>699599271 If he cared about the middle class even a little bit, he'd stop send ing manufacturing jobs over seas. I'm sorry but you either are ignorant of the facts or you are just completely gullible and have been fooled by his new york salesman bull shit.
>>699601789 >If he cared about the middle class even a little bit, he'd stop send ing manufacturing jobs over seas. or he'd make it so it would be less economically beneficial to send jobs overseas by lowering taxes and regulations on manufacturing. you can't blame him for doing what is best for his company.
>>699599832 I am sorry you have been so unlucky in life.
I had a great boss once, made millions. I had another, he retired early, after making not quite a million. I became a boss - sold the company and retired at 52 years of age. I was never a fraudster, never went bankrupt (how does a casino go bankrupt - either gross incompetence or gross fraud) and never refused to pay someone for work done, never got sued over a thousand times, never had every bank in america refuse to do business with me.
you think Trump is a good businessman or a good boss? he is a lying fraud who will do jail time for Trump University.
>>699602107 he does practice what he preaches. he says companies will send jobs overseas when it is more economically beneficial. he wants to make it less economically benficial. he is not preaching that companies should keep manufacturing here with the system as it currently is.
I think that representative democracy (voting for somone to represent you) is anti democratic as it does not promote debate, gives rise to authoritarians and you are basically voting for somone to make your decisions for you rather than making those discussions yourself. Politicians often act in their own interest, they throw around buzzwords, avoid issues and lie to fit there needs
Awww is someone here a cuck who is afraid to be a grown up?
Poor baby. I know, it's never your fault you're a failure it's the invisible boogie man.
I hope trump is every bit as agressive as your ilk thinks he is. I know trump is nothing like he's made out to be in the media, but I hope to fuck he turns out to be
I hope he grants white males this privilege none of us have ever seen yet. I hope he gives us legalized private vigilante groups with access to fully automatic guns, I hope he kicks out all the shit skins and forces women back I'm the kitchen. Why? Because then when we live in a country with almost no crime, a high standard of living, record low rates of poverty, suicide and depression, and even the most devout feminists begin to realize tha all they ever wanted was to be a house wife, every citizen would regard him as the greatest leader since Washington or licolin, and the west could sit back and start working on making the world more civilized again
>>699602389 why should he if it costs more money? he wants to make it not cost more. you're not going to get companies to keep jobs here by telling them "well it'll cost you more, but it's the right thing to do."
>>699599831 Bull fucking shit. They hated Clinton, bush Sr lied about taxes, Regan was a on the fact he was a semi modern FDR that people just like to hear talk. Carter and Ford........come on. It's the truth. the opposite goes against the other. And that's the fucking problem, if people stopped acting if their candidate doesn't get elected the US will plumit into disarray. Everyone on the right said "Obama ain't been doing anything long enough to be President" it's a misinformation landfill. And until a large group of many different people push us all past the idiotic thoughts people believe as truth...fucked...we're all fucked
>>699601416 quite - interesting isn't it? the same sort of arguments and non arguments are being deployed here - although no one has done a back to the future - perhaps they got called off and changed the playbook?
>>699601504 well, violence may come. trump is setting up to lead the white supremcaists into violence when he looses, as he already knows he will. he is already spreading lies about vote rigging and so on - while he knows his numbers are shit and he is going to be landslided out of existence.
>>699602078 you're lying. the only beneficiaries of trump's tax plan are literally the super rich.
you will still pay your same rates.
it's funny, because stupid people like you will die to defend multimillionaires and billionaires' tax breaks - and spit in the face of the working poor. you vote against your best interests. you hate the middle class.
>>699602401 Exactly so how can you say the middle class is getting a tax cut? Just because in a speech he says "everyone is going to pay less" Does that mean the wealthy get a large tax break while the middle class gets thrown a small bone like during the busy years?
You know what I want? I want all the SJWs and cultural marxists and anti-capitalists in the US to finally get up off their ass and make their move and "sweeping changes to the US economic system." They never will, and you know why? Because they know that the day they all publicly reveal themselves and are forced to publicly stick to their guns and enforce their ideology, is the same day they start dropping like flies. They seem to be stuck in a pretty hilarious cognitive dissonance state of mind, where they all believe
>"We are on the right side of history!!"
>"People will not be able to stop the change we are bringing!!"
...while at the same time fully realizing that sort of change at this stage can only realistically be done through force, which they ultimately lack, and body numbers, which they ultimately lack. They tried to do it subtly and in baby steps, but they bungled that approach, and now everyone is on to them. They lack the fortitude to come out from behind their bitch-blogs and tiresome op-eds and be proactive about all these "changes" they constantly whine about, and assure each other are actually happening. They lack the fortitude because they know once they start trying to play with the big boys, they'll get eaten alive. They know that any physical, forceful means toward their ends would be a pathetic, highly-ineffectual display.
So yeah, I WANT the libtards to finally nut up and get proactive. I WANT them to march on Capitol hill in all their Tumblr/Femmypeeny glory. I WANT your typical American to see them for what they are: a fucking cultural sarcoma on the face of the US, loaded with bad posture and lipids and bad dye jobs. Show America the face of your "utopia" SJWs, I absolutely fucking dare you. You won't, and everyone (including you) knows why, and that's your ultimate shame.
>>699602844 >>cites something immensely disconcerting in the politcal process that actually happened
no, it didn't. that is the point - there is zero proof, or even zero hint that it was rigged. the emails do not show that the primary was rigged. three million votes more - that is what she got, and not a single bit of evidence to show how that was rigged. the idea is ridiculous - and the emails do not show anything like what is being claimed.
there is no smoking gun - and simply saying there is does not make it true.
>>699603033 the email thing was not illegal. no matter how the Republican shillbots scream. Learn to law. also, no charges. Learn to legal process. Also, no court case. Trump did something illegal, is facing charges, and will be in court.
>>699597199 >Hillary isn't any better Kekd >isn't a climate denier >understands key issues >tax plan isn't completely retarded. >has an environmental policy >no isolationist policies >has thought out and detailed polices >can conduct herself like a world leader Hillary is by no means good, but she is legions better than trump.
>>699606889 >sure kid SURE KID, SURE KID, SURE KID YOU REALLY ARE SURE ARENT YOU, KID? GOD FUCKING DAMMIT REDDIT NEEDS TO LEAVE FFS. YOU THINK YOU ARE SO FUNNY BECAUSE YOU CAN DISMISS ARGUMENTS WITH "sure kid" INSTEAD OF ENGAGING ME INTELLUCTUAL DEBATE, THINK YOUR SO GODDAMN FUNNY DONT YOU? SAY SOMETHING RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION OR FUCK OFF BACK TO TUMBLR WITH YOUR SHILLING
>>699602562 But Obama has a juris doctorate in constatutional law and was an incumbent senator. There is a difference between mudslinging and the fact that trump isn't qualified to be president. >I'm going to base my vote on popular opinion and not my own. Kys
>>699610928 He's actually not ahead in any polls, even the more conservative ones. And he's going to get raped in the debates (assuming he doesn't pussy out and blame "fairness").
But go ahead, keep thinking he's really blowing Clinton out of the water and that it's all a media ploy that he's behind. It'll be so much funnier when he loses and you and your stupid friends start paying $9.99/month for TrumpTV where he can rail about rigged elections, Crooked Hillary, and conspiracy theories til kingdom come.
>>699612018 it's not the disagreement, it's the stupidity of the reasoning behind it. if you say i'm voting for trump because i agree with is issues, then that's fine. can't argue that. some people, i assume, are doing that.
>>699597199 well at this point, regardless of how you feel about the candidates, it's a choice between trump and hillary. Voting for anyone else now would be the equivalent of not voting at all and letting other people decide for you. The two party system sucks, but it's what we have for now. Hillary may be a bad choice, but trump is so much worse. I'll mark Hillary on the ballot, but I'm not really voting for her, I'm voting against trump in the only way that will actually matter.
>>699612135 this is the most ridiculous post I have seen all day...
how on earth can you justify this shit? She had three million more votes than Bernie int ehprimaries - no rigging necessary. She has the backing of every democrat, adn half the republican party, and no reputable body or newoutlet supports Trump. Every security expert, banker, economist and person witha brain supports her.
she does not need to rig anything - The only way she can loose is if Trump and the republicans rig the election like they did in 2000
>>699612018 sorry, you think that the fact that every candidate previously has opened their tax returns is a good reason to say that Trump is a good candidate because he is hiding his? this is good thinking? smart thinking?
as for the "cheated her way to the nomination" -yeah yeah yeah, we have heard that lie a thousand times. Three million more votes - no cheating
>>699614196 Friend, you have evidence that Hillary cheated her way to the nomination in the form of 30-40 thousand emails, as presented by Julian Assange and Wiki Leaks.
Moreover. Every President we've had for the last 50-60 years, sans Ronald Reagan, have been corporate shills (look at how much Wall Street has given Hillary). Every one of those Presidents have released their tax returns. Time for something different.
>>699614955 no not hypocrisy - but the difference is that while america has been aspiring to all those things it is not an oligarchic dictatorship headed by a president for life who is a ruthless criminal.
if you really see no difference between them, fine, but as a european, I know I want to see both empires, both superpowers, in balance - having Putins bitch Donnie in the whitehouse would only serve Putins needs, not mine, or those of the USA.
Putin is scared of Hillary, that is why he is supporting Donnie, and paying you to make these posts.
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