Friendly reminder that america got people who refuses to teach kids about protection, gets angry when they get knocked up, and then refuses to let them abort a child they didn't want and can't take care of.
>>693115535 It is a choice which should be legally protected by federal law and which should be regulated by different factors like how the child was recieved (through casual sex, rape, whatever) but also based on how good or bad a child would/could be brought up. If the parents are piss poor or drug addicts, an abortion can't be worse than the childs fate.
>>693115535 People who think a fetus is a sentient creature that can feel pain, or even MATTERS, are stupid.
It is a blob of organic cells that isn't even alive yet. Regardless of what it 'represents', or the fact that it has human genes, it's little more than the dead skin flakes that fall off you every day.
>>693115535 Is murder and should be illegal. Just use freaking condoms or pills. >>693116267 If you're in this state, sex might be nothing for you at all. >>693116631 Do you mean humans = bugs? >>693116669 Protect yourself from rape: by not going out late and by mind and weapon. But rape makes it a little different topic. >>693116769 It's boths fault. >>693117007 >only have sex if you're married Yes, until there, grow up and learn to be able to think for yourself and protect yourself. >>693117317 Yes, fuck the pic, makes this whole thread quite irrelevant. >>693117381 >Blob >organic cells Noice science m8, and organic doesn't mean alive? >dead skin flakes You are officially retarded.
I think they're fine, and people should be allowed to get them if they want.
I got one with my ex girlfriend.
It feels kinda shitty for the first few days, but you get over it. It's just our tendency to anthropomorphize everything that makes people object to it. I get that feeling, but it's not a justification for restricting it.
>>693116669 I hate this arguement even though I'm for abortions. It is a bad and overused example. There are exceptions to nearly every law, do you know how simple it could be for a woman to file for rape and then to be able to get clearance for a medical abortion?
>>693118282 a human fingernail is still human. It is not a person. A human being, with self consciousness, moral capacity, future expectations and a social network of others who would be impacted by their death, is a very different thing to a human fingernail, or a human embryo.
It's an effective method of population control. At our rate of growth we're gonna overpopulate the world and it's only gonna make it worse for everyone else, significantly reducing the quality of life throughout the world.
Look at mudslimes. They fuck like rabbits and pollute the world with sheer numbers. If they could abort their kids (as well as many other things islam restricts them) then they might not have been such a primitive, uncivilized clusterfuck of arabs.
>>693117525 >Do you mean humans = bugs? There's literally no difference between you and a bug in the grand scheme of things. You're both two useless beings drifting about on a rock with some sort of "self imposed" meaning.
>>693118571 but mom is a fully integrated person ins ociety, with hopes desires and a a past as well as a future - who has in the past been a fully functional human being, and whose life will continue after the coma. An embryo is not a human being in that way. Also, if mom was going to awaken without any memory of her previous lfe, and have to go through years of toilet training and learning to speak and all the things a child does, would that really be mom? would you have any moral connection to that new person? Not your mom, friend or lover anymore - so your analogy fails on both counts.
>>693118779 1. All the zygote has is "potential." Which is basically like admitting it isn't valuable yet, but it might be one day. 2. Future potential isn't really what we base murder on. If you kill someone 1 minute before they were going to die anyways, it's still murder.
>>693118801 The only difference may be, that we think more of ourselves and life, than a little bug does, but you can't argue wether life has a use and meaning or not. So basically any creature has the right to live and has the same worth, but a stronger creature may judge it differently.
>>693115535 Abortion is good. You know why? The people that are getting abortions are the ones that are not ready to be parents, who otherwise would probably do a shitty job of raising children, resulting in even more stupid, lazy, ignorant, disprespecful shitheads to perpetuate the cycle.
>>693119136 Dude, justify it however, a life is being terminated. I dont think abortions should go away, but people need to quit putting up this wall between what they do and what they think. A life was ended, case closed.
>>693118695 you do realize abortion is cool up to 24-28 weeks right? Far fucking past zygote. At 14 weeks, separate heartbeat, voluntary movement and cognitive response starts. I'd be cool if we just backed up what is legal to before 14 weeks.
Fetuses are declared alive after 8 weeks or so, right? Not only that but they stop getting called fetuses after 20 or so weeks, right? And here you are talking well outside that context. Besides, you're accusing me of being a liar about scientific facts? Rich.
It's not a subject that really has opinions. Just facts. It's better for a population to have quick and easy access to abortion. From each and every factor that applies to living people that have already been born this is always true. Just people with imaginary friends are morally against it. Religion is a pain, the number of negative impacts humans have to put up with because of a book another human wrote is insane.
>>693119221 What difference does it make if they're "killed" when they're 1 week old, and if they die at the age of 80? Nothing, that's what. You die in the end it doesn't fucking matter. Stop acting like it does because you want to take some sort of "moral high ground". Measuring life with some sort of "worth" is completely and utterly pointless. also: >/Reddit/
>>693117485 if i go into KFC and they give me a fried egg instead of a piece of chicken, and say "hey, its a potential whole chicken, not just a piece, so its a bonus man" I will kill the fuckers for being so stupid.
>>693119102 feeling is entirely based on perception. You care about your friends and family more than strangers, does that means strangers logically deserve to die more than your friends and family? Flawed logic to base anything off feelings. Either all life has inherent value, or no life has inherent value.
Now you're mixing up the philosophical definition with the scientific definition. A fetus is not 'a life'. It is a clump of living cells, yes, but it has no sentient or fully-formed traits and is thus not a life.
The thing with you pro-lifers is you always rely on guilt and no actual logic.
Abortions happen either way, to make them illegal is to repeat and even celebrate the failures of the past. Only Republicans celebrate failures as they repeat them.
On the other hand, I think any man or woman that doesn't use (or make their partner use) a rubber along with other forms of contraception should be aborted due to stupidity (or worse, deceptiveness). What sort of man would give up control of his entire life just so he could have unprotected sex? The answer is: A nigger. The number of white niggers in the USA is sky-rocketing.
What sort of woman wants to crank out babies so they can either trap their man or his wallet? The answer is easy: A stupid, manipulative nigress. The number of white nigresses in the USA is skyrocketing every day.
The growth in the white nigger population is concentrated primarily in the south at the moment, but it will spread like any other contagion.
It's the NE-IA-MO-KS or Neiamoks wall! We wall off all four states off and put all the niggers, wiggers, spiggers, and chiggers on the inside and all the humans on the outside. If an inmate can prove they have met the education and intelligence quotas of a functional human they can come out for a six year probationary period.
It would also rid us of the bulk of Republican voters, so we would need a new conservative party that isn't built for retards.
>>693115535 It is the purposeful murder of innocent children. Doctors who perform them should be stripped of their license and sentenced to prison. Women who get them should rot in prison. Partners that help are accessories that should also rot in prison.
>>693119136 Do you even logic bruh? This planet is infested with humans and unfortunately too many fucking sub humans. The right for human lives that can feed of on welfare so they can get fat and sick, and make zero effort themeselves is not any good solution in the long run.
>>693119717 >there is logic behind ending a life Hurr zygote, yes ok clump of cells. But once it has a heartbeat and responds to stimulus? What than? Like ive said im not against abortion, i just want people to realize you are taking away life
>>693119717 You are confused, do you think a fetus is just grey matter until moments before it comes out of the womb? It's a process of development on a fairly linear scale. So... at some point a fetus is 'a life' if it's a development process that turns into an infant which is definitely a life. At 14 weeks, the fetus has a separate heartbeat, voluntary muscle movement and nervous system developed enough to respond to basic sensory input. How is that not alive? BTW, abortion is legal up to 24-28 weeks, well after the fetus is clearly a separate life from the mother.
>>693118662 you are using the adjective "human" to describe a thing "foetus" in the same way that "human fingernail" uses the adjective. Both fingernail and foetus are things, not people. they both contain cells of human origin. A drop of blood with your DNA could be made to produce a foetus - so is every drop of blood a potential human being, and worth as much as a real human being? your analogy fails, because potential is not actual. your analogy fails because being made of human tissue, or being of a human source, does not make something a human being.
Christ you don't even know what an adjective is do you? why am I wasting my pixels?
>>693119310 >A life was ended WHO THE FUCK CARES? Literally hundreds of thousands of lives are ended DAILY. Who gives a shit about ONE life being "ended" "prematurely"? The shit happens EVERY. FUCKING. SECOND. Get over yourself.
Little do people know that abortion actually lowers crime rates. Single mothers that would have given birth to likley future criminals now don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm against abortion. You guys should give freaknomics a read.
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