>>685159548 I'll gladly take not being a "true Muslim" over killing my friends for no reason.
>>685159570 The Quran was written over a thousand years ago, and is violent in some parts. I believe that it was written for a different time, a time where a world like this wasn't envisioned so I don't follow the rules that I consider outdated.
>>685160079 No, I don't believe ISIS to be true Muslims. Sure, they make be following the rules of the Quran, but they also gloss over the rules that would require them to not kill the innocent, or women children and the elderly, etc.
They take the violent parts of the Quran and use it to its full potential to suit their needs, and they ignore the rest of the Quran that requires them to be good people.
>>685160282 Like I mentioned above, it's clear that the Quran has violent sections but within those sections are limits to what a Jihadist should and can do. Unfortunately ISIS doesn't keep to those limits.
>>685163131 >It says those who fight the non-believers won't even smell the scent of paradise >Muh English translation Regardless of how accurate it is the amount of violent verses that are widely accepted, even by muslims, as being violent shows that Islam is fundamentally a violent religion.
>>685158763 Honestly none of the big three are "peaceful" they have peaceful things but they also call for a lot of violence. That said, islam has the most extremists and is the most dangerous right now.
>>685160667 By that logic you aren't a true muslim either. Why cling to this belief? Just like gay Christians, i don't understand why they ignore it and act like it's just okay so long as they believe in jesus.
>>685163889 >When swords are the only thing that can be used to kill people. I love how you say the word "sword" isn't mentioned. So what? The words "kill" and "stone to death" aren't? If not they would make a more convincing argument than just fucking swords
>>685164025 >From the Bible If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 >Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.
Relidgion is a virus, the ones that are the best at getting the most followers and keeping them infected, are the ones that are most popular, so how do you get more followers? Keep to yourself and be peaceful? Or kill the infidels?
>>685164106 When people believe in faith, they are able to "fufill" themselves in someway that they have a lasting lives. Sometimes, they know it might not be true, but it's believing that makes their life complete.
I'm an atheist to clarify that I'm not islam/christian/pastafarian.
>>685162639 This logic can be applied to any religion/race/gender/political party/group of people. There is always a subgroup within a demographic that the majority looks down upon for shining a negative light on the whole.
>>685165308 There are relidgions that you dont have to cherry pick to follow, ones that are inherently peaceful, so why put your hopes on a magic man in the sky that wants to kill your friends when you can practice religions that aim to make life as good as possible for you and those around you
>>685165355 The issue with Islam is that it is fundamentally violent. The 'extremists' follow it in it's entirety whilst the 'normal' ones only follow the ones they want to. This while people call it "The religion of peace"
Every religion can claim to be whatever they want to be. However no religion is true. Meaning whatever you follow it's up to you to decide whether your beliefs lie within that religion. No religion can be peace, everything needs balance. Where ever there is peace so there is war/chaos. In the case of Islam they believe in Jihad, which is a holy war, but let's be honest war is war. So the peace must come somewhere, right? Peace comes after war, but is that truly peace or just the words/perception of the victor? We don't know what is ideal peace. Our perception of it is deluded by victories. Definition of peace is freedom from disturbance aka tranquility. Such a state will never exist in our society because we are humans and we can do nothing about our greed and etc. In the end we are only human, we deserve peace and war, sadness and happiness and whatever. Maybe one day we will transcend into a higher level. I'm writing bullshit because I'm bored, sorry if you actually read this.
>>685165546 Iunno, I'm atheist, so that doesn't apply to me.
However, to the islamists that it does apply to (or any other religion), they are born into it. Knowing the consequences of forsaking your religion in islamic countries, they must cling to it or dey ded or live in the closet.
Also, being in a Christian household, some of my family members flipped shit when they found out I was an atheist.
>>685165532 >Be a buddist >Spend whole life sitting on a rock trying to not kill bugs >Carve pictures into stones to sell and make money >Live off of water and bread to be able to donate money to local orphanage >People steal from me a lot, but its okay, I forgive them, >Die aged 97, after living a hard life not killing a single animal or bug >Get to paradise >Kicked out by Mohammed(praise be unto him) >"There's no real "peace" that you're referring to in this world" >Cry >Fukin muslims
>>685158763 >Is Islam a religion of peace no abrahamic religion can be let me explain some history to you
YHWH was a Canaanite (are where isreal is) god of war and storms at one point some people decided all other Canaanite gods (Baal, Berith, Mot, Moloch) were false, and called them demons, and decided o call themselves Yahweists iirc. they wouid later call themselves Jews. So then about 900 years later after already succeeding in pissing off kost major religions after calling their gods false and demons some of these jews declare a guy named Jesus their prophet in hopes of following the path zoroastrianism took, the idea of having some human that claims to have communicated with their god adds legitimacy. some of the jews disagree and say he isn't the prophet, the people that believe him to be the prophet break off and form early christianity, and immediately do as they did before and call the jews' belief illegitimate. then The Roman Catholic church and the middle ages happens and christianity decides to borrow some things once more, they take a page from zoroastrianism again and make up a super evil figure called the devil, who's ultimately a mix of demons in general, the angel of judgement satan, the angel of disaster mastema, and the fallen angel lucifer. this would later be the reason why the're so much confusion as to whom the devil is in modern christianity. they also steal the image of Nike and Victoria (winged goddesses) for their various angel statues and pictures. Thy also claim several gods such as the celtic Brigid were not gods, but instead saints while other gods like Diana are claimed to be Demons.
all the while this is happening the middle east has a man claim to be a second, and final, prophet, creating Islam These two groups go at it and expand a fair bit over the next several hundred years, bringing us to now for the most part.
So there you have it. a trio of religions with a history of infighting, shit talking other groups, and a god of war
>>685166008 >the prophet muhammed who is the only true prophet of God according to islam Nah, they acknowledge the other prophets and the books they brought down. But Muhammed was the latest and last. In Islam, Jesus was a prophet, for example.
It is if you only follow the five pillars of Islam aka the only important parts.
>Declaration of faith and trust that professes that there is only one God (Allah) and that Muhammad is God's messenger.
>Salat (ṣalāh) is the Islamic prayer. Salat consists of five daily prayers according to the Sunna; the names are according to the prayer times: Fajr (dawn), Dhuhr (noon), ʿAṣr (afternoon), Maghrib (evening), and ʿIshāʾ (night).
>Zakāt or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving based on accumulated wealth.
>>685166430 true! my b. point is he's the spokesperson for the whole religion so the things he does and says are pretty important and he's not just a "subgroup shining a negative light" on Islam he is synonymous with Islam
If religious text is left up to interpretation, and there is varying consensus on a meaning of that text, the unfortunate reality is that the religious followers who interpret that information and are the majority, become literal representations of that text. Since a shocking amount of Muslim men and women follow the Koran and take the representation of that book to be violent, it is inevitable that the meaning of that book takes on a violent connotation, and the religion as well. Many people who follow Islam standby and do nothing as the acts of violence are committed, meaning that it becomes acceptance. Religion does change over time and may take on different forms, but as of this moment, Islam cannot be a religion of peace.
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