The narrative is changing in America, boosting Hillary big time over Trump.
Trump's not going to do so well against Hillary Clinton. If you're paying attention to the news, you will notice that the trending issues are all involving gender and transgender equality issues.
Trump and the GOP in general are very weak on this hot topic issue, which is only continuing to grow in the latest trends, and will be a major talking point in this presidential election cycle. This is good news for Democrats and Hillary, and bad news for Republicans and Donald Trump.
So when the issue of the day becomes social issues, this will continue to move Hillary ahead on the polls, while only hurting Trump.
>Trump won >everybody fears because he's racist >did only say provocative things to get the voters on his side >ends wars >defeats ISIS >has a good relationship to most country's >even Russia >Makes Amerika great again
The narrative is forced on websites and on the television where the liberals have the most influence. In the voting booth, the story will be very different. Shrillary has no chance genderkin transtards. At least you will have a chance at a real job once it's been finalized instead of the bullshit social issues at a federal level to distract you from the real problems America faces
if hillary wins i'm applying for every leeching niggynoo program i can and am going to sit on my ass for four years. we should all try to bleed the system dry until they run someone who isn't a sociopathic piece of shit.
The DNC struck a secret deal with Trump to run against Hillary and make republitards look even more bigoted and retarded than they usually do. He's a crypto-democrat and I'd imagine he's amazed the cousin-fucking republicans bought his act to this degree.
>>684985904 Yyyyep. Real working people could not care any less. Real working people have no actual control over the choices offered, so it boils down to "WIll fuck you up the ass with the lights on" vs "Will fuck you up the ass with the lights off". I'm going to get fucked up the ass either way, so who gives a shit about the foreplay. I'll pay attention when someone starts seriously talking about the inherent Constitutional right of a state to secede from the union - only then will the federal overlords start to get scared. But: will never happen. So I completely ignore it.
>>684986295 Because the news, "liberal" or otherwise, HAS to whip people up into a frenzy so that they'll want more information ...and watch more "news" to get more information.And all of this is done regardless of whether or not the whipped-up-topic du jour is meaningful or not. The "news" is all about eyeballs because eyeballs are how they sell advertising and advertising is how they make money.
>>684989166 >At least I paid for this bitch You only had to go on foodstamps to do it. Odds are that if you're stupid enough to live in the south and vote against your own interests, you're a republican milking welfare systems. It's proven you people receive the most welfare.
>>684989318 > I'll pay attention when someone starts seriously talking about the inherent Constitutional right of a state to secede from the union - only then will the federal overlords start to get scared. But: will never happen. So I completely ignore it.
>>684989188 tell me something i dont know doesnt mean your not wishing for a miracle and trying to pretend it can happen its over man, shillary will be on the ticket and hopefully get defeated so at least we can laugh for the next four years until we get some actual candidates
>>684989669 It was really weird when the whole thing began. It was SO FUCKING OBVIOUS that NBC was playing him up in the news and getting him 24/7 coverage from the start. I honestly believe he went to some NBC executive and said "Fuck the next season of the apprentice, I'm gonna run for president, and you're gonna cover it and get insane ratings, and I'm gonna win because of the nonstop coverage"
>>684990068 This isn't rebbit or high school debate club. I don't owe you any proof. If you don't like that, feel free to take your tourist ass back to where you actually belong, you 19yo faggot. It's cute you're pointing the retard finger when you honestly type like a teenage nigger.
Trump has already said it himself behind closed doors (there was a youtube video, but it was taken down), that he and the Clintons have this deal. And should Trump actually win the general election, he will concede, so Hillary will get it.
See, she gets it either way. At that point it will be too late to change it too, the republicans will be fucked over so hard.
This will literally be the best troll job ever pulled on that many people at one time. So much butthurt will be felt by this group of racists.
>>684990843 The republican party is going to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century after this election. In 4 years they're going to realize their entire base of old white people are dead or in nursing homes at this point and that America is changing.
America *has* changed. They just don't know it yet. Also, Hillary will disarm a shit ton of these wackos who are gun toters. There is no longer a need for guns, and she has vowed to get a gun ban though if she becomes president..... which she clearly is.
Its future looks bleak. Just look at California. Tons of illegals invading, bringing crime and gang violence, refusing to learn English, bringing down test scores, reducing wages, leeching off of welfare
>>684984565 It was inevitable that Hillary would win. No reason to waste any time on this election process aside from convincing the masses that their opinions and votes matter. Just strap in and prepare for another 8 years of getting fucked in the ass by your government while laws get passed low key while you worry about bathrooms.
>>684990927 Yeah, that's the point. The bourgeoisie expropriates their wealth from the labor of the workers by claiming private ownership over what was developed by society as a whole. No war but class war, friend.
>>684991414 I live in California, and it's pretty fucking fantastic here. In fact, the governor just passed a completely balanced budget for the next two years, so I'm not sure what you mean by "not going to sustain"
>>684991739 To be fair the Mexicans weren't doing shit in California, and they barely even cared when we took over. Most chicanos felt more allegiance to the US than they did to the Mexican government.
>>684991923 nope and again i know you think you're trolling me but you're just being stupid, it's akin to that kid in middle school who keeps doing austitic shit and thinks the class is laughing with him. you got called out for being a shitty troll, take the lesson and move on kid
>>684991739 every Mexican in the territory ceded by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was granted US citizenship the US didn't steal any land the people who owned the land before the war owned the land after they were just subject to a different set of laws
>>684992469 California is a very diverse state. Mexicans are just a small portion of the melting pot of races here. This right wing fantasy of a "mexican takeover" is the same kind of stuff the leads to people carrying guns around and fantasizing about "saving the day" when a bad guy shows up. It's just nonsense made up in your head about some people you've never met.
>>684991711 Solid (if obvious) guess, but no - not from Texas.
A "serious conversation about secession" wouldn't be one focusing on "hurr durr muh rebul flags" or some other such bullshit strawman like "re-segregate all thuh thangs!". It would focus on exactly the things you mentioned: weaning off of market-distorting subsidies (and tariffs and export controls) and largely-useless make-work defense contracts. Once free of all the nanny state bullshit the market can normalize, business will flock to the pro-capital tax policies, and other states will quickly follow suit once their legislatures see how much more tax revenue nets out and the populations see proof that, "Well shit - maybe leaving people alone to make and allocate their money as they see fit works pretty well."
But, as said before: it's far far easier for We The People to eat our cheesy poofs food product, watch "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and bitch on 4chan about how little I think my dick is and how my 900-channel DishTV goes fucky when it rains. So yeah, I ignore the news as much as possible.
>>684992643 Of course. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme. Keeping so many people at the bottom to provide cheap labor and natural resources for the rich nations is responsible for all of the present failed states and refugee migrations. And as you can see from this thread, capitalism requires racism to rationalize the privilege of those at the top in the face of stark global inequality.
>>684993732 Except modern capitalism is crumbling all around us; these precariat proto-fascists are the heralds of liberal capitalism's demise. It is time for the world to overthrow the owners of capital, its last kings, and be ruled by wisdom and science instead. We are sufficiently industrialized and advanced in information technology that a democratic economic system has become possible. The people must now own their places of work and make decisions as a whole about how the surplus should be invested. And instead of investing it all into luxury goods as a payout for our casino economy, we must decide to uplift everyone in the world, provide all with the means for self-actualization, and embark on the global projects that will ensure that our civilization will have a future on this planet and beyond. Our present trajectory ends in atrocity and extinction; socialism is our only hope.
Bernie has the popular vote, Hillary has delegates. However, delegates promises are only good if she can convince the electorate. If the FBI is correct, and it does indeed indict Hillary as it eluded to this week, her delegates default to the popular candidate, which is the Bernmeister, ensuring we get two anti-establishment candidates to choose from.
>>684993732 No it isn't. It's the most constructive and the most destructive pyramid scheme, that's been propped up literally at gunpoint for centuries, and by every indication, s kind of oppression to survive its regular civilization-destroying swells and collapses.
No way in 1000 years humans will still use this chaotic disasterous economic model. We already don't, because no one wants to live with its significant downsides, and even the most idealistic zealots do less and less as time goes by.
Exactly. It's not about equal opportunities, but rather about equal outcomes. Not everyone has the same talents, so rewarding one persons talent over another person's is barbaric and wrong on all levels. Whites have pushed this agenda for far too long, and set up a system which heavily benefits them, and those who bow to their views.
>>684997465 In my opinion, capitalism did have a historical purpose - the industrialization of nations. Even Lenin and the Russian revolutionaries realized that a period of state capitalism was necessary to create the future proletariat. But yes, like all authoritarian social systems, it leads to exploitation, a corrupt ruling class, and unnecessary suffering. Keeping capitalism around longer than was absolutely necessary has been a terrible mistake. If we are intelligent enough as a species to transition to something better, the people of the future will look back and be glad that they don't live under the yoke of capitalist plutocracy.
>>684998469 You do realize that if the AG doesn't want to move forward with the case, then it is dead. Only her office can actually prosecute the case. The FBI can only gather evidence and do the "police work" and then present it to the prosecutor who then actually is the one who prosecutes it.
Who is it that is constantly getting "triggered" over the dumbest shit ever?
Who takes the lead in "getting offended" over shit?
Protip: It's not republicans or even Christians. It's a large group of "entitled" college kids, who think that the world owes them something. They're the ones crying and getting offended over the truth when it contradicts their feelings.
>>684998693 >if the AG doesn't want to move forward with the case, then it is dead
It'll be very hard to prevent serious repercussions if it goes that way, including FBI agents going public or leaking information to the press. It's more likely that they'll do what they do in police prosecutions - present the evidence as weakly as possible and try to throw the case. Then they'll try to spin it all as a giant right-wing conspiracy against her that was shown to be false in court.
>>684998693 You guys do realize that the situation has gotten considerably more serious in the last few days than it was before...
It is now more likely than less likely, that she'll be hauled in, according to the FBI and AG, and the DNCs emergency PR fixer is out making damage control statements and Biden is making on-record comments about being the ideal presidential candidate and naming his vp candidate, Warren, chosen to appeal to Bernie backers.
Every indicator points to shit getting interesting.
>>684984565 >tfw you discover they made a 4 hour X rated, obscenity-laiden version of Galaxy Quest that only the director, editor, and actors got to see for lulz, and that's 100x more interesting and meaningful to your life than which of the same two fucking parties we keep voting into power gets in and does the same fucking shit they always do.
>>684993126 Why the fuck would business flock to free trade when they can continue to suck at the teet of American taxpayers and get socialist bank bailouts, fixed crop prices, tax free offshore havens while they use free infra-structure and successful redirect their theft at poverty?
You've been drinking at the oligarch koolaid fountain again and waving the flag for God, guns and the patriotic right to be stupid?
>>685000503 I agree entirely. I was responding to someone who thinks that American establishment liberalism is anything more than a false progressive social narrative designed to mask plutocratic control from the stupid masses. In the same way, America's establishment conservativism is nothing more than a false traditionalist social narrative designed to mask plutocratic control from the stupid masses.
This is clear to both Sanders and Trump supporters, I think - as well as people beyond those categories - the differences are what they want to do about it and what they believe are the causes of this buyout of our political system.
The explosion of "trans" people lately is just a way for these kids to "relieve their white guilt". They have been conditioned to hate whitey so badly, that they need to make up some shit to put them in a minority, so as not to be labeled as white, but instead gender ___ this, or gender ___ that.
While some of them are legit, they have increased 100-fold in numbers lately due to tumblr and the very reasons stated above.
>>685002153 Sorry but you're wrong. The first amendment is not only outdated, but is an abysmal failure. We can keep touting that, and hold ourselves back as a nation, or we can punish opressors and haters and move the country forward.
The real question is, is which side will you be on when it happens? Choose carefully, because it won't end well for those who want to force their bullshit hateful thoughts on others.
>>685001730 That is not untrue -- howecer the difference is Bernie fans have followed the money trail and Trump fans are buying his redirect of establishment failure to control minorities which "are the problem" not money.
To that end, the anti-establishment uprising within the GOP is, in fact, 100% stupid and 100% useless.
>>685002504 Yes, but i've only educated myself on the t part of the lgbt when it comes to Trump. With Hillary i can only guess that she will continue to be a populist when it comes to lgbt rights. Like her change of heart when it comes to gay marriage.
>>685002559 >the difference is Bernie fans have followed the money trail and Trump fans are buying his redirect of establishment failure
Yes, I agree if you mean the economic, not the political, establishment's failure. The difference is that they are coming from a conservative perspective in which it's assumed that capitalism works and is being corrupted from the outside; they are ideologically prevented from seeing concentrated economic power as the source of corruption.
>the anti-establishment uprising within the GOP is, in fact, 100% stupid and 100% useless
I agree, but the social democratic uprising against liberals will turn out to be 100% stupid and useless as well so long as Bernie supporters think they can "fix" capitalism with "democratic socialism". They'll also be keeping the economic ruling class in place to undo all reforms (remember, we already live in fixed capitalism - it was supposed to be fixed by the New Deal). Although the uprising on the left has some awareness of the relationship between economics and political corruption, as it stands now they are both simply putting different window dressing on the same authoritarian economic substructure.
Yes, the right's revolt may lead to a dangerous nationalist militarism and the left's may simply lead to the next New Deal - Gilded Age - New New Deal cycle, but both are disastrous for our civilization in the long run.
>>685002536 Nothing will change, no war over that shit will happen, take five steps back and see what has been true for all revolutions, a well fed population doesnt revolt. And muricans are one of the most well fed people on earth.
>>685003926 I weren't endorsing her in any way, matter of fact the opposite, a yes woman like reagan was a yes man will ruin us. You can see the resemblance between hillarys super-criminals bill to reagans proxy-war on most of south-america.
>>684984565 >Is changing >Implying the media wasn't dickriding Hillary from day fucking zero Shillary please, you could at least pay your virgin nerds a living wage with stable hours. It would avoid idiotic mistakes like this on the job.
OT though, Hillary automatically loses if Trump starts gunning after the presidential couple rather than just Hillary. It's no real secret that ol' Billy ditched his Secret Service Protection to hang out with a known pedophile and sex trafficker out in foreign countries.
>>685003675 How far back in history are you going to reach that conclusion? Look back to what founded the republican party and you will see the opposite, further down the line they either swapped positions or the status quo changed. Trump might be what changes the positions again, but knowing the US in this decade nothing will change.
>>685004660 >It's no real secret that ol' Billy ditched his Secret Service Protection to hang out with a known pedophile and sex trafficker out in foreign countries
Right. I see we're still pushing the right-wing propaganda shit as being factual.
They Clintons have been a target of the right for a long time, because they know that they will have an extremely difficult time beating Hillary in the battle field of actual ideas, so they instead make up shit like this, Benghazi, and emails in a sad attempt to get a leg up on her.
But hey, just keep watching fox and believing all of these lies.
>>684984565 there are many reasons not to vote for trump. social shit does not even enter into it
>he flip flops more than any democrat >he lies as much as clinton, maybe more >he’s not said anything specific other than a dumb wall >he has zero experience running a government >he has zero experience as a politician >he’s proven incompetent in picking key advisors >he’s set up and run scams like Trump U and countless others >he has ties to organized crime >he’s switched political parties a half dozen times in his life >he wants to devalue the dollar to increase exports >he doesn’t understand how the US debt works >he’s said he would raise taxes >he thinks americans make too much money >he will hurt our relationships with allies, already has in some ways >he will disrupt trade with other countries >he owns property in other countries >he spouts propaganda and conspiracy theories like they’re real >he has tiny hands and gets defensive about it >he pretends to be someone else >he has a hair trigger temper and emotionally unbalanced >he’s prone to getting revenge like a teenager >he’s impulsive to the point of recklessness >his love of drama is dangerous on a global scale >he’s pointedly uninformed about many things, including economics
>>684984565 As kyle from secular talk once said >if clinton runs a PC outrage campaign she will lose. Remember hilary has no place to throw the sexist charges at trump. She threw them and worse at bernie fucking sanders. This man has been giving his wife cunnulingus for their 40 yr marriage without anything in return. If she can call him sexist then the word sexism means nothing and trump can use that to his advantage.
>>685005250 >Making up shit Which part, that Jeffrey Epstein loves fiddling kids or that Bill Clinton ditched his SSP to tour Asia with Epstein? Because the former is rather well documented, and the SS refuse to disclose release forms that would definitively prove the latter (beyond some obtained flight logs).
>>684985011 Only on that one poll, and it has a 15% margin of error. It was also run by a conservative polling agency that always gives a +8 point lead to conservative candidates despite the real responses
>>685005434 Hillary Clinton: >>she flip flops more than any democrat, even Obama. >>she lies as much as Obama, maybe more >>she’s not said anything specific other than woman card >>she has zero experience at leading >>she has zero experience as a business woman >>she’s proven incompetent in picking key advisors >>she’s set up and run scams like the Clinton Foundation and countless others >>she has ties to organized crime >>she’s switched political views dozens of times >>she wants to devalue the dollar to increase exports >>she doesn’t understand how the US debt works >>she’s said he would raise taxes >>she thinks americans make too much money >>she will continue to hurt our relationships with allies, just like Obama has >>she will attempt to ban guns >>she owns property in other countries >>she is naive as fuck and believes that terrorism is in no way directly connected to Islamic beliefs >>she pretends to be someone else, ever time she speaks, depending on who the crowd is >>she has a hair trigger temper and emotionally unbalanced >>she’s prone to getting revenge like a teenager >>she’s impulsive to the point of recklessness >>her love of drama is dangerous on a global scale >>she’s pointedly uninformed about many things, including economics
>>685006427 Knowing someone is far different than touring a continent with them, retard. That suit was dropped. Apparently Tiffany Doe had almost no money to her name and incorrectly filed her suit, so I would agree with Trump's statement that the suit was a politically motivated hit piece. If she were interested in money, she could have sued Epstein who has settled out of court multiple times on child fiddling.
>>685006815 Trey gowdy admitted yesterday on Fox they fabricated the whole benghazi bullshit to try to prevent her from running. He stated there was never any proof and it was a waste of money and time.
He also admitted the email investigation was bullshit
>>685007424 I agree, my opinion doesn't change the facts. Ol' Billy Clinton raped women while in office and went on an Asian child fiddling tour.
>>685007565 Prove it. I didn't say Clinton went to Pedo Island, I said he toured Asia with a known pedophile. The one conclusive thing I currently know about Trump's association with Epstein is that he knew Epstein for about fifteen years. But I would enjoy seeing evidence for knowledge's sake.
>>685003576 Sadly Trump hit the magic numbers and the convention won't oust him. Which I was looking forward too because they could have been the fuel to break the two party system -- alas self preservation will prevail on the RNC and DNC.
>>685007997 Sorry, but no, trump is the worst possible choice. You'd have to be brain dead to vote for him.
Fact is, he won't release his tax forms because they prove he has ties to AL queda, they also prove he still works for the mafia and they prove he's barely a millionaire. He's taken deductions limited to people who make under 500,000 a year his entire life, even if he never spent a dime he's nowhere near as wealthy as he claims.
He knows the tax returns will get him on Rico and tax fraud, and it should have in the 90s when it first came to light
>>685008457 Well, we'll still have to see how this plays out. Will the establishment republicans really accept him as their new leader? What will happen to their party's donors? Hillary Clinton is already courting Bush's donors and is telling them that she represents their interests better than Trump will. If Trump threatens their campaign finance system, will there be a revolt?
There are still plenty of ways that this could lead to a realignment in the party system, and I think that's still inevitable when the two parties no longer represent the ideologies of the electorate. They're essentially parties of the baby boomer generation, and their time is almost over.
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