If you could die and come back as a ship /b/ which would it be?
>I would be the Yamato
I'd rape your country before you were even built.
BOOM one less japanese fuck to worry about.
iowa vs yamato
too much pressure bro. you'd constantly get the shit beaten out of you in weird as fuck situations. being some simple little centaur class that only scans gas clouds or whatever would be way better
vasaskeppet so taht i would end my suffering when leaving harbor. then get put in a musseum
Airship, I could go anywhere
Either that or spaceship
Yamato fight back
Mighty Yamato always win!
Yamato have many guns
Look at all these guns Yamato have
Yamato mighty ship!
The might Yamato now museum
Mighty Japan wonder mighty Yamato
Half the vessels displacement would of been ammunition alone.
Had it made it past the initial attack, it wouldnt have had been long till some idiot dropped a match, misloaded a shell, or just plain done something stupid before it turned into a gigantic fireball.
Yamato never sunk that imperialist lie
Yamato now museum
Many tourist see mighty Japan Yamato
Many thank to great Japan!
stay in Norway my hole life :´)
Laugh-ability aside, I deep down really wish the yamato put up more of a battle. I know its an impractical ship, with more guns than sense.
But it seriously looks badass. It looks like it could send over 200 shells just to open up, then send another 400 over just to check on the other guys.
That thing looks like what I imagine Arnold Schwarzeneggers cruising yacht would look like.
Battleships were made obsolete by first aircraft carriers and then even more so by Surface-to-surface missiles, since bith planes and missiles could fly further than the shells could.
Hiroshima Prefecture Onomichi City Mukaishima-cho according to wiki.
mighty Yamato perfect design
testament Japan superior engineering
the iowas best hope was to protect the carrier group that sunk the yamato, because fuck sending million dollar ships in to get sunk when you could send waves of much cheaper planes armed with very effective bombs and torpedoes instead
That too, but talking heavy weight VS heavy weight ships only. the use of planes is way different, hell now days 1 dinky ass 80foot cruiser, has enough missile payload to wipe out anything that floats now days.
>wooden decking supporting firing infrastructure.
>arguably top heavy.
>floating on a giant powder keg.
Cmon man, its a cool ship. But the only thing it really had going for it was pure intimidation factor. it LOOKED like it could hand you your ass on a plate.
No ship ever in history be as perfect and mighty as Yamato
If im going to be any piece of antiquated Japanese navy technology, Id be a I-400 class submarine.
Ill sink you with my torpedos, and finish you off with my MOTHERFUCKING PLANES OF DEATH LAUNCHED FROM THE SEA.
fuck you, I'm a french battleship sub. HON HON HON I will sink you with my 360 degree torpedoes or 8 inch guns
I get your reference and raise you one
The gun was made in 1915. Machine guns weren't exactly new and unfounded tech at that time. It shouldnt have been a miserable failure of a gun that it is.
The gun would jam performing even the lowest rates of fire to anything comparable. It was cheaply and poorly made, and even french/vichy forces would throw it on the ground the first moment they could.
I know about its performance from whatever history channel special thats from, but it was still an automatic weapon designed during a time when no one really understood them that well yet. particularly for lighter ones that could be carried around like a rifle. by the time WW2 came around it saw very limited use because it had long since been recognized as a bad weapon.
>not the Ford class named after America's saint and saviour, Harrison Ford
and then it doesn't need to be in a port again for an other three years, covering the entire globe with air superiority.
even longer for the newer aircraft carriers coming out
Agreed, but with some caveats.
It was only two years later that the most reliable and well founded machine gun was invented, the browning.
The british would train daily with the french, in machine gun application and warfare. They would mock battle with them day in day out.
You would think, that after a couple of months testing, and checking out your neighbors far superior designs, that you would make some adjustments. Or at least, take in some feedback from your troops and redesign around their specs.
But no. The french bicycle company that designed and built the gun, continued to pump them out exactly as is. Well into the 30s.
The gun design was that bad, that its still lauded today as one of the worst designs for any weaponry around the era.
Oh, too, nice attempted derision with the history channel comment. What are you, 12? I know what im talking about son, regardless of how many history docos youve watched.
The autism in this thread is overwhelming
Ey you're right, my home town got overrunned 2 years ago.
Because of course the ability to dock unaided is absolutely essential for this vessel's design purpose.
Are you children incapable of abstract thought?
You managed to get your green text in but you forgot to use "literally", "autistic", "faggot" and "cuck".
Gloriana-Class Flagship from Warhammer 40k
20 kilometers of Death
USS Constitution. This bitch was a beast in its day, survived hurricane sandy too. HMS Victory peh, kiss Murican naval ass.
those systems aren't perfect and you need to stay ahead of the curve, so its going to need to be in every 3 years for refits and repairs. a carrier thats been out for 20 years would be outdated and leaky as fuck
if the world wasn't watching closely we could've won it in a day. but there was nothing else going on in the world so it became a reality TV show everyone loved to nitpick. a good world war is a mess of chaos, confusion and panic so you can get away with being as efficient as possible
yeah, but you guys were the idiots that filmed it and put it on the news. Kinda double stupid at that point.
>lets show an uneducated, unknowing populace the true horrors of war, and the way we treat out enemy.
Oh... shit.... they dont like it. Whats up with that?
murica is a free nation so if the media wants to report on it there's really nothing we can do. Im sure you've never truly experienced freedom though, so you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.
All cliches aside, if the US had engaged in "total war" in Vietnam they would have clearly won. Those weren't the objectives though and the fact it was in effect a proxy war meant those kind of tactics would have quickly escalated to something truly unpleasant.
Like you said, domestic pressures had a huge effect as well.
It would depend on the weather and battle conditions, on a clear day Yamato would win with it's bigger guns, heavier armor and longer range
but at night or stormy weather the Iowa would win with it's better radar and targeting systems
NSA, CIA, FBI, NSO.
Wiretapps, cameras, patriot act. backstabbing, collusion, entrapment, two party system, ruled by economic elite.
worlds largest organised spy ring, watching her populace, 24/7, "for your protection"
Feel superior living in the land of the free there, buddy.
your arguing with idiots
remember these guys cant even find their own country on a map
The difference being, we know theres fuck all we can do about that but actively try and prevent it.
You guys lap it up. And ask for more. And still lie to yourselves and trust your government.
Thats not freedom, thats submission.
No, every other western country does. Because we've bought into lies.
Eastern countries try to prevent this with giant fucking firewalls, and launching constant cyberwarfare attacks on the infrastructure.
Other countries in Europe have loosened copyright law, media law and general law to allow for a more broader and open internet.
These laws go hand in hand with freedom and liberty.
There are also other western countries IE Australia, that limit their exposure and also are in discussions for setting up a firewall.
Every country spies on their citizens. Ill grant that. Its happened since day one.
But when a system can figure you out, down to your underwear size, what you ordered for breakfast several weeks ago, and bring up any financial transaction in your whole life, thats going a bit too far.
They didn't understand machine guns??? What are you on dope? The Maxim and MG08 were two of the most deadly and highly effective guns ever. With the water jacket, could fun indefinitely until they were winchester on rounds. Da fuck outta here with "I saw on the history channel"
LOOK OUT BITCHEVS... RUSSIAN NOVGOROD HERE TO STEAM ROLL YOU OFF THE OCEAN.
You make some fair points. Also, the power that IT companies (google, apple, microsoft, facebook etc) have in terms of information storage and sharing is huge.
Most people my age (45) that I know don't seem to have much of a clue about the nature and degree of this personal information collation.
I'm not quite sure on what kind of working relationship these companies have with various governments either. Although the recent Apple phone unlocking thing was interesting I got the feeling it was mainly a theatrical PR exercise by both sides.
The apple unlocking thing was just the FBI forcing apples hand to give them a tool to do it easily.
The rumor mill out and about has had all types of encryption crack-able now for about five years.
One measily iphone, one small case. That shit was just drummed up so the public would accept a lesser concept of privacy.
The Iowa would have to close into range first, and the Yamato could withstand a lot more hits from the Iowa than the Iowa could from the Yamato. The Yamato was built specifically to be able to take on several US battleships at once
Because the yamato didn't fight the Iowa, it got gangbanged by 8 aircraft carriers, if the same thing happened to the Iowa it would sink too.
the question was about the Yamato vs the Iowa in a 1v1 fight
look how the US treats her once proud liners..
I honestly thought the FBI already had the phone cracked but escalated the issue for other reasons and then even Apple jumped all over it with their agenda.
Anyway, on topic, fucking Bismark because for it's day it was an absolute monster. Plus it had a great life story even if short.
The only thing I can see the yamato clearly has ever hit was its own planes.
How can you argue something is better just because its bigger.
Iowa had firing systems that could place a better, more accurate shot. It doesnt matter how much armor at that point, its a luck game vs accurate firing.
I would take aided and assisted firing over armor any day.
Another way to look at it:
You have a mortar, I have a hand gun. We are both at 100m.
Your going to be fuckin full of holes when I run upto you and unload my big hot cannon in your face.
Your mortar is bigger, but couldnt accurately hit the broad side of a stadium.
>If you could die and come back as a ship
People have been discussing the stupidest thing I've heard all year for around 3 hours now.
I'd come back as a spaceship and leave you fuckers behind in a cloud of hellish fire and smoke.
The advantage the Iowa had over the yamato in firecontrol wasn't major, just enought to give it an edgy when one side couldn't see the other. And, and that analogy is just stupid.
Try you with a slightly smaller and slightly more accurate mortor in a pillbox vs me in a slightly larger and slightly more armored pillbox, who would win? whoever gets the lucky shot in first.
Captain, do you know what year this is?
The distance was rhetorical, it was a working example of large, unguided weapon, versus smaller accurate weapon.
but at 20 miles? I guess I would take the aided control still. Because apparently its still based off lucky shot.
So it would seem guidance would be the advantage. One hit can cripple a vessel, no matter the size or armor, you hit the right spot and its lights out.
Back in the day they were. They didn't steal dutch ship building techniques without a reason.
Even most of the sailing/ship related words in Swedish are adapted versions of, or straight up dutch terminology.
Of course that was than, I'm not saying they are shit now
At long range the issue is that the ship you are trying to hit is taking evasive action. At that range it takes a minute for the shell to reach the target. And a ship like the Iowa is going about 30 knots, about 50 feet per second. In a minute it will travel 3000 feet.
Superior fire control means that the fire control team comes up with solutions sooner than the opponent. That allows for more aggressive evasive action.
True the targeting is still a big advantage, however one hit from the Yamato would have a much greater chance of crippling the Iowa than vice versa, and if a shot damaged the Iowa's radar system that advantage is out the window.
It would come down to which ship got the lucky hit first which nobody could know. The Iowa's better targeting and slightly higher rate of fire mean's it would be able to get more hits on the Yamato and have a greater chance of getting that lucky hit the longer the battle went on.
But the Yamato's greater range means that the Yamato would get the first shot off and have a better chance to hit that lucky shot early in the battle, and the Yamato's better armor and the Iowa's worse armor means that each hit on the Iowa would be more likely to be a 'lucky hit'.
But the Yamato would still win, the Iowa can't into space
Visible horizon is 12Nmi. With the velocity of the projectiles on that range, it takes about 30sec max to reach a target. Evasive actions with a BB is nearly nothing. The trick they used was deceptive paint to make it look like the ship is smaller and therefor harder to target. Steering makes it hard too, but allso to stear it's own guns and measure range, so...
>BOOM one less japanese fuck to worry about.
Planes got the Jap.
She would have sunk any battleship that was near her.
A number of countries were slow to realise thta bombers were a greater threat than battleships.
Battleship engagements started way before they were in visible range. Late war battleships used radar and spotter planes to target over the horizon, both the Yamato and the Iowa had gun ranges of over 20 miles
The Allies and the Italians fought a battle in the Mediterranean during WWII. Neither fleet could see the other.
Spotter planes called the fall of the shells.
The British attacked the Italian fleet at Taranto with carrier aircraft (slow old biplanes) and forced them to abandon the base.
>comparing a 5 ton bomb dropped from a plane on top of an already damaged 1930s battleship to a 1 ton shell fired 20miles away at a full health 1940s battleship
You're a special kind of retarded aren't you?
Ill raise you this sexy beast