Hey, i wonder why americans have been brainwashed so badly to think that its really honorable to join the military and or die for your country. Media got most of you manipulated by this(soliders coming home to wife, soldier seeing son for first time, woah a solider didnt rape a village guy in the country they invaded and the list goes on)
So question, what is so honorable to be a puppet? Being just manipulated by your government to steal oil, murder, and go against all morals in todays society?
I dont mind if you like killing or shit, but if you belive its honorable or a good cause, you know you must be very retarded, right?
>>675787971 Its media mostly who trolls you guys into believing this, but if you think about it. Do you really want to be a mindless zombie doing all the shittiest work for the government? Like wat, i just recently thought about how fucking stupid this is
>>675787236 Its a very valid question. That level of militarizaion and worship of armed forces isnt usally attributed to democracies so for anyone from the western world and not from the U.S it is odd.
Actually thats exactly what they do. Sometimes for our allies too. When Kuwait was invaded, the military fought for them. When Muammar Gaddafi took Americans hostage and threatened to kill them the military sat off the coast of Libya and was ready to turn his house into a hole if he killed any (he didnt kill any)
>>675788134 It's NOT media. Its just traditional values passed down in the communities. Where the community is still all old school America or rural. Although many of the immigrants that come to America also have that mentality and culture.
If you need to know where that comes from originally, it comes from a man's duty is to protect his family. Protecting the family is considered honorable, and protecting where the family lives is honorable.
Media does not find defending family to be of value in the US. It prefers stories where the family turns on each other and destroys each other, or doesn't know its closest relations. Most of the media is fascinated with how anyone could want to protect their relatives or the spawn of women they've fucked.
>>675786986 The nations that do not respect their armed forces ussually suffer from shortages of personel and constant budget cuts, so if there ever was a massive war that starts they wouldnt have enough men and begin to draft people. Essentially people who enlist for whatever reason also help make sure they fight so others won't have to.
>>675790060 It doesn't matter that there isn't any active enemy states constantly attacking America. Because of the basic "A man's duty is to protect his family" which requires "Protecting the family means protecting where the family lives", the extension of that goes past defending the block where the family lives. It means defending your town is part of that, which means defending your region, state, and country. It would mean defending your WORLD is a part of that, and defending your solar system, galaxy, etc.
There are certainly threats to a man's family in the US despite no countries, other than North Korea, still having an "active hostility" towards it. For instance, floods, hurricanes, and tornadoes. Those all need a large group of people to help clean it up, and "defend" the community.
Serving in the military helps people do this
To some people, anything that threatens "America" will be seen as a threat to their home and family.
It is hard to say where any individual will see that boundary of "to protect my family, I have to therefore protect X".
Deployed to Afghanaland for a year and it was a fun experience. I look back on it now (24 and out of the Army) and I think it was the best decision I could have made at 18. My college is fully paid for, and I get free health care. My veteran status landed me my current job which pays over the average income for America and I made a lot of friends along the way.
I didn't do it to fight for freedom. I just did it because I didn't want to go to college, stack student debt, and suffer forever. All in all good decision, 8/10
Pic related, me in ghan.
Also, I didn't rape anyone or kill innocents. It's a lot of red tape and you definitely get charged for war crimes faster than you can pull out.
>>675789101 The possession of a military by a nation does. I'm not saying the recent wars are just, but no country would be allowed to exist without the means to defend themselves. The US also provides military protection for much of Europe, allowing those nations to have a very small military. That's not just an observation- that's defined policy through the UN.
So other countries may have small militaries, but that's because the US shoulders that burden for them.
>>675791654 Yeah, us from the EU gets protection if it somehow benefits the US, good thinking value value, but its nothing honorable in it or good. we get invaded by sand niggers constantly, and what does the US do about this shit, or ISIS, rather support them for cash / ignore
I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same....people serve so you dont have too, people serve so you can sleep in piece at night...peace is only given by those willing to do great violence on your behalf
>>675792088 Yeah. It's like i said when we invaded iraq. Just admit that it's for oil, and maybe i can get behind that. People in the US need oil to continue their way of life, so why not just be honest about that? Oh right, because you need people to think you are doing something good while you rape an entire country.
>>675792190 Hah, nah bud. I don't do shit for corporations and I never will. You feel free to justify whatever you need to with that logic though. Have fun explaining that shit to a higher power, if there is one, and signs point to yes.
>>675791654 American here... Why the fuck do we do that? Are our citizens less important then those eurofags??? I mean I get ancestry and shit, I'm of European ancestry myself, but my ancestors came here and we are here 4 generations now. My ancestors left Europe for a reason, fuck Europe. When will we start caring more about Americans then the rest of the God-forsaken world???
>>675792586 Indeed, I just hope that people from those regions that we have as a country fucked over realize that there are plenty of americans who feel the same way you do about it, and there are many more who are too stupid to know better. I hope they target our government, and not it's citizens.
>>675792586 Right. It's literally that simple. All those middle East policy experts and academic papers on the topic have if wrong. Thanks for answering such a complex question by boiling it down to one political cause.
Just kidding. You're ignorant about history and politics.
>>675792806 Eh, 50 years ago we were mostly busy dealing with local extremists and not migrants from countries hundreds of kilometers away. But yeah, we never really got along. Yeah religion, among other things.
>>675792659 Explain. I was a big stoner in HS, didnt pay attention and don't remember shit.. what changed 60-80 years ago? The world wars? We still have our military deployed all over the world so how are we more concerned with our own well-being?
>>675793024 Oh, i meant the whole patriotism stick. Didn't that start shortly after or during ww2. And just FYI the troops in foreign countries are mostly there to give the American people or a single American citizen an advantage.
>>675792865 I didn't say that. Not even close. You seem to be getting upset and have no idea about politics or history, so there's not much point in talking about it. You're closes minded and emotional. So... Bye, bud.
>>675793048 Actually it is that simple. American economy is based on the petro dollar. If people stop using the dollar to buy oil we will quite literally collapse our economy within days. There is a very good reason why every time somebody starts trying to trade oil in anything but dollars we attack them almost immediately.
1. To keep other countries in line, buying our fake money.
>>675793048 Riiiiight, and all the countries with no oil? Why not care about them? I'm being hard on you here, america isn't the only one up to these tricks. We're all getting fucked in the arses right now.
>>675792864 why'd u tihnk US went to war in IRAQ? There were reports on where Saddam was amassing he's troops to take out some terrorist/rebel group near the Kuwait boarder. Sure Saddam was a madman that has he's people ruled with an iron fist to keep order.
I would presume those rebels had connections with Kuwait or saudi.
US has no interest in middle east other then oil. I'm sure either saudi or kuwait made a deal to let US bomb the shit out of their neighbouring country in return for oil.
>>675793203 Cool, you might notice that, despite me saying it was a direct cause, i didn't say it was the only cause. But i guess you don't want to discuss, since you already have your opinion made up. > hurrdurr
>>675793511 Agreed. I fucking hate the fact that you have all these "alpha" (which by the way is a term used to describe DOGS) guys who think that the answer is still to smash things with clubs. fucking unbelieveable. HURR DURR what will you fight and die for i'm a big guy with a big stick durrrrrrr i hit stuff good.
>>675793521 Nice deflection m8. If it was as common knowledge as you claim it to be, it should be easy for you to find a source from a respectable web site. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
>>675793190 Well we should say fuck the rest of the world. Bring all Americans back to America, military and non-military. Bring all production and everything we need back to America. This way we can let the rest of the world deal with their own problems and we can focus on our own. New world, and old world. I'm not talking NWO either, I'm talking the "new world" that the Vikings "discovered".
>>675793688 Lol nah, i'm just not going to do your thinking for you. Clearly you have read absolutely DICK on the subject and are just spouting crap you saw on TV which by the way is owned by the military industrial complex. You are so hopelessly cucked that you will never realize it. You can't even be bothered to research a topic before you have a debate on it. Perfect drone for the corporations. they tell you something, you accept it as fact without actually bothering to find out weather or not it actually is a fact.
>>675793465 >It makes me happy to see how we're all thinking like tribal niggers and monkeys >must defend the territory, tribe, er uh... "way of life" >bc I imagine everyone in my tribe to be just like me >better than everyone else, of course
primitive as fuck lines on maps are retarded, as are the people who imagine them to be anything we shouldn't have outgrown thousands of years ago
>>675786986 >Hey, i wonder why americans have been brainwashed so badly to think that its really honorable to join the military and or die for your country. I'm in the military and I still don't get it.
>>675786986 >be from US >live in foreign country >everyone I meet assumes I think US is greatest country on earth as soon as they find out I am Amerikaner >try to tell them otherwise >they still assume I am brainwashed asshole >mfw
>>675794050 How dare i get emotional about the fate of the human race. Sorry, but when we bomb innocent civilians in the name of greed, i still feel something. If you don't thats good for you....you have managed to kill your humanity. I still have some of mine left.
>>675794009 We could you retard. We have the largest oil reserves in the world and there's no reason we couldn't bring production back here, instead of out-sourcing our industry for cheap labor and importing shitty goods from Asia.
>>675788376 I agree. The brain washing is however more about giving a false sense of hope and honor to the poor white (and also black) families that have been minimum wage earners, farmers and on the rump of society. The same kind that put unbridled faith in religion.
So having their kids in paid employment that is promoted as honourable gives them the ability to feel they aren't struggling through their daily lives for nothing.
Hence the coming home parades, memorial days and such are designed to make these bottom dwellers feel good and encourages others to join up and elevate their status.
>>675793740 We should put everyone back where they belong. Sandniggers, go back to your shitty desert and fix it. Niggers, go back to Africa and fix it. Ethnic Jews, go back to Israel and good fucking luck to you. White people, gtfo back to Europe and make Europe wealthy as fuck again. Native dudes, have North America back and go back to fighting the Mexicans to keep them down in Mexico. Mayans, have your wild country back. Spanish-Latinos... ok I don't know what the fuck were gonna do about you guys. That whole situations kinda.. beyond fucked up.
Because humans are a war based species. It's what we do and what we've always done. It's like the when vegans say we don't need meat to survive...true,but we're still gonna slaughter beast by the billions because meat is what has sustained us. The same can be said for war. Taking weaker folks shit is what has historically sustained us. Is it necessary? No. Will we stop because of the guilt of fucking other people over? No! Humans will never stop slaughtering cattle or our selves. Not saying it's necessary or morally correct but it's better to fight for your "side" than be consumed by the other
>>675794257 And i say fuck China and our debt. If them gooks think they bad, tell em to come collect. If we listened to me, our entire military would be here waiting for those slant-eyed mother fuckers.
>>675786986 Don't you realize that it's you who has been manipulated by the media to believe that there is some conspiracy by lotion addicted jews in the gubermint to steal all the oil, kill all the brown people, and undermine "the morals in today's society" (whatever the fuck that is?) People don't join the military because they want to be puppets, they join because they believe there is honor in sacrificing for and protecting those they love. Gee, what a fucking concept! What a drone piece of shit! Our men aren't over there raping villagers you moron. They're killing terrorists and distributing school supplies and medical treatment that would otherwise be unavailable to the locals. They're training and arming militias so that when they leave the people who live there will be equipped to protect their families and property. Maybe you should talk to someone who has actually served about this rather than a bunch of teenagers who are no more informed than yourself.
>>675794476 blah blah blah. Can't help but notice that all you do is insult me while not being able to add a single thing to the topic that is being discussed other than to insult me for having a different (correct) opinion. seriously go learn something on your own.
Oh and speaking of overly emotional, I'm pretty sure i have a much better handle on my emotions than those brainwashed idiots who are over there literally thinking to themselves "I am protecting freedom!!!!!!" while they bomb the fuck out of innocents.
>>675794406 it's not that they can't succeed, its that the people in their own race just destroy themselves, just like the aboriginals in australia. There were countless of times a tribe was on the bring of starting agriculture but then get attacked and killed off by jealous neanderthals tribes
Because humans are a slavery based species. It's what we do and what we've always done. It's like the when PETA says we don't need to own animals...true,but we're still gonna yoke beast by the billions because animal labor is what has sustained us. The same can be said for slavery. Taking weaker folks labor is what has historically sustained us. Is it necessary? No. Will we stop because of the guilt of fucking other people over? No! Humans will never stop owning cattle or our selves.
>>675794751 Can't help but notice that the people who support the military action are also the ones who sit there insulting you without having a single counterpoint or fact to back up a single thing they say. which is generally nothing but insults. unbelievably stupid.
>>675794682 Again, I just want to kill radical Muslims. If they stayed in their own it's and killedneachnother it would be for Islam to deal with, but they don't, do now I got to go kill them there so they don't come here. Prior reasons aside it's what we have to deal with in the now.
>>675794968 Lol, I honestly don't care if you believe my "claim" (the facts) or not. I would much rather you not be such a lazy piece of shit in the future so that the next time something like this happens you are actually intelligent enough to research what people say on your own and make up you own mind, rather than blindly accepting whatever the idiot box tells you.
And since it's so important to provide evidence, provide one shred of evidence that what i said is wrong. protip: you cant.
OP Here, left thread 100 replies ago, most americucks are just simply retarded as i can see, holy shit, but thanks for proving my point that its just brainwashed retardation! Its good for money and greed tho i guess, but that has nothing to do with "freedom/honor"
>>675795288 Also, holy shit you guys are triggered, I always dreamed as a child to go to america, but holy shit, if i go there now there is a higher chance of me dying or become retarded than living in sweden next a muslim who recently joined ISIS. Really, you guys kill more people with "muh protection, muh military, muh guns" than any other terrorist organisation, how does this make you feel*?
>>675795366 It's actually not my opinion though thats the thing, you see, unlike you I actually did research on the subject and know what i'm talking about. Researching the FACTS on the subject affected my OPINION. You are simply regurgitating arguments that were thought up for you.
Seriously, go research it. prove me wrong with facts. i fucking dare you bitch.
>>675795301 Primitive warriors deserved respect. They were almost always engaged in close combat. Today's military, everywhere not just America, is full of cowards attacking from afar from the safety of a bunker or airplane or boat. I say we go back to bashing skulls with stones and spearing mother fuckers. Then I'll respect our warriors
>>675786986 It boils down to this: humans had been developing from some of the worst behaved psychopaths of the animal kingdom, the great early ape species, which found longevity through power, aggression and violence, and doing it coordinated in greater and greater numbers. As we developed in greater and greater numbers ourselves, we continually found that aggression and violence to be a critical liability rather than an asset. But, we saw each generation become more pussified, and their quality of life improve, and that was considered the progression.
The less savage and better the quality of life got, the bigger the population got. But, the bigger the harder it was to make changes in it. Eventually, the population skyrocketed, populating the entire planet with people only so developed, who are more or less locked in to their degree of savagery.
There can be no end to aggression, violence, and war, until the human race is either re-engineered genetically, or eliminated completely.
>>675795554 Oooh, tough guy! Wow, I'm totally intimidated by your raw emotions! You must be very popular at school. Just wait until you take a college level world history and political science class and you realize that the world isn't as simple as you currently think it is. It'll blow your mind!
>>675795638 Burden of proof is an American concept. The rest of you psychotic tyrants just look for the leader to give a thumbs up or thumbs down to determine whether or not to release the lions. Sick fucks.
>>675795592 Tbh its kind of sad. The first ever attack on our main land, and we freak the fuck out. I mean, I understand, you can't let that shit go. We are a main power, pretty much THE main power, its not like we could just sit back and do nothing...but often I think the reaction was just bad. It opened the door to so many mistakes, and so many bad men got an excuse to do things they had been wanting to do for a long time.
>>675795710 once again, not going to do your thinking for you.
I will however cite some facts that you can feel free to check on your own.
Saddam : The united states had no problem with this guy for a LONG time. We even funded him and had good relations. He tries to move away from the petro dollar, within weeks george bush is on tv talking about WMD. which by the way, never exsisted, and not only that, there was never ANY evidence to support their exsistance, likely because they don't exsist.
>>675786986 if trump wins and all the countries that have tiny military budgets and have been using the us troops as a pseudo army suddenly lose that army because we pull out and stop being your military as well as our own you'll change your mind. its not the us thats brainwashed is people to think the military is an honorable thing its the rest of the world because that way there are enough troops for you to use instead of having your own
>>675796278 Yeah, we'll see. I think k we'll be okay, though. I'd be more worried about your country letting in all those terrorists. Did you know Isis publicly said they're mixing fighters with refugees? Your country's been fucked by Allah, lol.
>>675796584 yes, for the 5th time, i'm not going to think for you. I am not going to go scour the internet for you, i do that enough for myself when i want to learn about something.
And since you think its so important to keep bringing up, can't help but notice you haven't provided any either. Probably because you don't know how to research something for yourself, and even if you did, i doubt you would be able to comprehend anything beyond a 6th grade reading level.
>>675794827 Well you seem to ignore that American soldiers have in fact rapped women and men (and usually underage) almost wherever they've arrived. Sure, you probably didn't nor did anyone near you, but you can't take your example as a statistical tendency or spoken truth. My country has some American military bases and since we gave you diplomatic immunity (I guess we supposed you were good people), you haven't stopped killing and rapping villagers and tons of underage girls and boys. Yeah, maybe I'm making the same mistake of generalization, but I do know we shouldn't just ignore your crimes because you're white, American and have this strong sense of superiority which comes from some hypocrite white pride and blinds most of you from seeing what you actually do. I don't think that makes you specially wicked, it is ok to take sides and even more if you know you're not doing the right thing but it's your people behind it.
>>675786986 i too am grnuinely perplexed by this. the weirdest thing about it is that americans cant see how fucking bizarre it is, their indoctrination runs that deep. it is like asking a muslim to eat pork.
>>675796062 These are spring daffodil peaceniks compared to their ancestors the Achemenids, Meads, etc. Hitler and his worst generals would have been a an average administration hardly worth a mention in the Assyrian empire. Saddam was basically a sweet "man of the people" for a ruler in that region. These people are tribal as fuck, have been for all of recorded history, and desire and require viscousness and authoritarianism to function. Ripping that away yields chaos. Terrorism is nothing.
>>675796682 >make ridiculous claims >has been asked to repeatedly show proof >shows nothing >wonders why people dont believe Seriously dude, if it is as easy as you claim you could show us proof of the petro dollar being the main cause of the usa involvement in the mid east, and we could be done here. But you continue to dodge this and make personal attacks, which shows to me you just feel like trolling so thats where we are at.
>>675796961 You're confusing me with someone else. Go to /pol/ faggot. No one here's cares about your patriotism and nationalism. Think about what you're doing- you're fighting to defend... what? You're a very good citizen. Your leaders would be proud of you. Keep defending! Keep attacking! Your leaders want you to!
>>675797426 okay it is all about semantics then, i figured. I am happy for you that you were technically correct and could Awww me and call me a retard. ill be spending my time on /pol/ and /fit/ discussing anime while posting images, god bless
>>675797711 I agree with you. I was replying to the Queen's loyal subject that is blindly defending his country while remaining entirely and willfully ignorant of the complexities related to middle East conflict. We need a military, and he doesn't accept or acknowledge that his country relies on the US military for stability
Of course now their getting fucked by their politicians, but that's an internal issue.
>>675791232 Yep. There is no doubt about that. We've pursued several potential enemies of scale since the 1950s. Russia collapsed in on itself culturally and fiscally, China is actually lucrative so we're holding off yet, but the Arab world, they're just right, they've even got the ultimate ideology for it, and they're hot for it besides. And there's about a billion and a half of them, so it's an inexhaustible supply, since every time you fight one, you inspire two more to attack you. Since they're poor as fuck, and don't need to worry about them gaining a technological advantage over us, we can treat them as practice battles, to justify and keep our enormous standing army from getting fat and defunded. That way when the real shit comes down the pike, as long as we can avoid total annihilation warfare by biological & nuclear means, we stand a chance of surviving the inevitable coordinated Russian & Chinese offensive.
>>675797399 People who join the military are more likely to be college educated than the general population. They are young, physically fit, don't have any felonies (if they have any criminal record at all) and are basically the best America has to offer. The military has standards. Why don't you look up the 2016 enlisted pay tables and tell me whether you would want to work over 80 hours a week, almost every week, plus field exercises and deployments for that kind of money.
>>675797248 It depends, if your a soldier that comes back with all your bits and without ptsd, you're a god. But if you can't take care of your shit you'll be on the streets with every other mental patient. Most soldiers can't find work when they get back
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