Why is this not true about Trump? Also Trump / Bernie / Clinton thread
I actually think Trump will help minorities more than anyone else. Hear me out though before you dismiss my argument. Minorities should support him because his corporate tax plan would create millions of jobs mostly in manufacturing which would most benefit low income and minorities because minorities mostly African Americans have the highest unemployment rates out of anyone so creating decent paying manufacturing jobs would benefit minorities (mostly african americans) more than anyone else. also he wants deport ILLEGAL immigrants which would create more jobs that would most benefit minorities. also less immigrants causes wages to rise because of the law of supply and demand would say that less worker amounts could demand higher wages and also less workers willing to work for low wages will rise the average wages which will benefit the low income and minorities the most and more jobs and higher wages will help lower poverty levels in minorities. the USA spends 11 billion dollars per year on illegal immigrants so less money spent on medical care for illegal immigrants means that more low income (mostly minorities) people can get the proper medical care that they need when Trumps plan to expand medicaid happens.
>>675646411 Continued while sanders wants to add more school to a failing k-12 system trump wants to fix the k-12 system first. Trump wants smaller class sizes and wants to drop common core math and this will most help minorities again who would most benefit from smaller class sizes and education improvements because this will lead to more opportunities for minorities if they have a better education. Also trumps 0% tax plan for the the bottom bracket would also help benefit the low income and minorities more than anyone else. it would help put more money into the pockets of minorities who have the highest percent of citizens in the lowest tax bracket. almost everything that trump wants to do will most benefit minorities more than anyone else but the minorities are too busy calling him a racist because he wants to deport ILLEGAL immigrants which isnt even racist at all and temporally stop muslims (which isnt even a race) from coming to the USA because their values are too different than the ones in the USA and the risk of middle eastern refugees is high as seen in recent terrorist attacks all over Europe. minorities are too busy calling him a racist to see that they would benefit the most from all of his plans and sanders plans would give minorities more free stuff and only make them more dependent on the government which actually takes away opportunities because when the government gives people free stuff they are ok with having just enough to get by instead of striving to create the best life they can and having alot. Trump will help minorities and Sanders Will harm them alot. Also trump is the only one with a plan to stop drugs coming into this country which will greatly benefit low income and minorities because the drug problem across all classes is really bad these days. Minorities should stop calling him a racist and look into who his plans will most help. its pretty clear to me. and more people especially minorities and African American need to understand this
>>675646539 >>675646411 Explain how any of that is racist. and dont forget illegals arent a race and the 11 million illegals immigrants mostly take jobs and medical help away from low income people and minorities and mostly African Americans.
>>675648424 ask me almost anything. im pretty well versed in this stuff. im not citing sources though but you can try to debunk anything i say. it would be pretty hard to do though because the best way to lose a debate or argument is to use false info so i try my best to only use good info
>>675648243 But i always find it hilarious that the same people who think we shouldnt work with russia, are the same people who use the red scare is over argument to get people to like socialism and communism.
>>675648787 There is nothing to ask. We're on a random message board, and you're spamming your political views and shut memes like an autistic. No one cares. Go back to redit or 9fag and try to impress them.
The amount of RWNJ butthurt in this thread is way too fucking high. Face it, wingnuts, your redstate trickle down delusion is crashing on itself, and you're still on the bridge yelling "no! it'll actually work this time!" get a clue and join the rest of the civilized world you 19th century retards.
>>675650569 Their gun control is making every male citizen join the military. There they learn how to respect a gun and human life instead of watching action movies and playing vg to get all of your gun knowledge.
>>675650783 my country does the same, and you have no idea how badly you misunderstand everything about that. we have same gun control, same conscript military. and you're obviously interpreting it from an american perspective, which doesn't fit in at all.
>>675651094 I think it would greatly benefit this country. It would help instill discipline, lower obesity rates in young adults, teach them respect and give them skills for the job market, also then i could find subsidized education and healthcare justifiable because people earned it.
>>675651167 why not read. and i would be alright with people calling him drumph. i hate when people change their names. like Bruce Jenner should only be called bruce. that Caitlin bull shit shouldn't fly.
>>675651402 explain why. less illegals means more money and more jobs freed up for low income and minorities. also even sanders said that immigrants greatly decrease average wages and shrink the middle class which grows poverty. same thing trump says
>>675651591 how? because people say so. sanders also wants to disarm the people and he wants bigger government too and sanders also wants many socialist aspects of government. what policies does trump have in common. and deporting illegals isnt the same as an attempted killing of a whole race and trying to take over the world
>>675652136 thats not trickle down economics its freeing up already budgeted money for americans and also opening up job opportunities for americans that are taken by illegals. 2 way different thing. i was an economics teacher for 2 years at a college. so you cant argue with me on that
>>675654510 fix the crumbling k-12 system first. they need the money before you go building 2 to 4 more years onto a crumbling k-12 system. you dont fix a flat tire on a car with a blow up motor. fix k-12 like trump wants to. also poor people can all go to community college free anyway. its easy to get grants and have free community college if you are low income. why is any of this bad to do first?
>>675655135 Not really, at least in my own experiences most people who support Trump will debate with words and logic. Berniecucks will just throw memes everywhere with false facts and ridiculous comparisons.
>>675655135 >not knowing the power of the meme Trump wasn't in politics, I don't see how an outsiders commentary reflects the decision that he would make if he was in office and the pressure was on him. Bernie sanders was actually against the war when he was in a position of power. But all of that is irrelevant, trump wants to stir more shit up in the Middle East.
>>675655039 trump wants to go back to private insurance but let it be sold across state lines to drive down prices because of competition and than make medical servie costs be posted so people caneasily choose cheaper options which will drive down costs and than expand Medicaid to include more people so people who cant afford it can be covered. sounds like an awesome plan to me. actually very democratic plan and way better than obama care which hilary wants and we would have under sanders because his healthcare plan would never pass due to huge costs and not enough funds to pay for it
>>675646539 Trump wants to fix k-12 and Bernie wants to just add more school? What the fuck does that retarded thing you said even mean? Bernie knows it takes more money to fix the schools and Trump is just saying shit with no idea how it'll get done. Uneducated retards usually think this is expertise for the same reason they sucked in school.
>>675655534 Because samders is pandering to the young vote. There are more young voters than there are old. Sanders knows this, the only problem is getting them registered and having them go vote. Sanders doesnt talk about k-12 because the dems with kids, are usually not too focused on the issue because they send their kids to private schools
>>675656037 Bernie wants people to be able to access higher education because he believes this has become the new standard, trump wants to bring back the high school degree as the new standard so people dont need to go to a glorified 4 year trade school
>>675656037 yea i would say that dropping common core is important but wanting to shrink class sizes is the biggest way to help improve k-12. thats whaat trump wants. thats the best idea any candidate has on education
>>675656110 those were 2 different situations. when trump said that people were throwing things at him and his wife and kids. which throw stuff at me of my family i would rough you up myself. but you would just take it like a cuck
>>675656770 How stupid are you? Mexico has a trade deficit of $58 billion. Either they can build the wall or pay for it to be built under the threat of more costly sanctions. Yea yea we're totally paying for it, costing us so much money.
>>675656878 Tell me, who actually elects people? It's voters You honestly think every major poll in the nation isn't a large enough sample size to semi accurately predict the outcome, especially when on candidate has such a large lead?
>>675656770 its about 8 billion on a wall and if we deport 12 million illegals we would save 11 billion per year just on health care costs so we could than apply that to low income and minorities who need it more than foreigners who hate us. and fix k-12 before addressing college and i dont think that people who can afford community college should go for free. people hate on the rich getting free stuff but than want their kids to go to college for free. makes no sense
Bernie was quoting what a black woman had said to him while answering a question, every media outlet took just that sentance out of context and made it into a meme to trick people like you into thinking he hates whites and is some kind of commie
>>675654793 >>675655757 >bernie supporter uses memes >memes are shit used only by those who can't argue for themselves >trump supporter uses memes >memes are superior to regular arguments >we have the best memes >we have a guy who's the top meme maker >no one makes better memes than him >usa usa usa usa usa
it could help but minorities and low income who struggle with education have to much trouble with it. city schools and low income areas are hurt the most by common core. decent schools dont have too much of a problems other than with the low income and minorities they have that are harder to educate
>>675657748 "I was with young people active in the Black Lives Matter movement. A young lady comes up to me and she says, you don’t understand what police do in certain black communities. You don’t understand the degree to which we are terrorized, and I’m not just talking about the horrible shootings that we have seen, which have got to end and we’ve got to hold police officers accountable, I’m just talking about everyday activities where police officers are bullying people. So to answer your question, I would say, and I think it’s similar to what the secretary said, when you’re white, you don’t know what it’s like to be living in a ghetto. You don’t know what it’s like to be poor. You don’t know what it’s like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car. And I believe that as a nation in the year 2016, we must be firm in making it clear. We will end institutional racism and reform a broken criminal justice system."
How is this out of context? Even if she is the one who said it, he said he agrees with her.
>>675658130 He also talked about growing up poor in that same debate. The point he was obviously trying to get at is that white people dont know what it is liked to face the same prejudice on a daily basis that black folks do. You would have to be retarded to believe he actually doesn't think white people dont know how to be poor.
>>675657888 Where's the film of him saying this within context? It's insulting you would just write anyone off at this stupid to just go admit "hey I'm full of shit, please don't vote for me" and then at the next rally I GUARANTEE he'll go on more about the wall. You don't admit you're lying and resume lying. Forgive me if I don't believe the article.
Hahaha yeah, if you think free healthcare is free here, I have news for you.
>the lowest incomes are taxed 31% + 21% VAT on everything you buy, including services >cities get to set their own taxes for garbage collection, water, the sewer etc >for employees, they are forced to pay 10% of their wage into a pension fund they'll never see again >the pension age is 67 right now and being raised to 70
Effectively the average person pays about 80% of their money in taxes before they have a bag of groceries.
But the fun doesn't end there! >fuel is ridiculously expensive, as is public transportation >nobody can get housing unless they have substantial amounts of money or are refugees >if you're white, getting help is nigh impossible >if you're sick, you're expected to cough up the first 800 euro yourself or just die in a ditch
>meanwhile, our government claims we can take in hundreds out thousands more refugees because we are so rich, instead of relieving the tax pressure on the people
I work 70 hours a week as a software engineer and live with my parents because I can't really afford to live on my own if I want to buy a house in my lifetime. Meanwhile jobless muslims are walking through the streets blasting ISIS music and waving ISIS flags paid for by the dutch. It's pure insanity. Don't believe the socialist lies, they ruin everything.
>>675646411 OP, trickle down economics doesn't work. Or at least not in a global marketplace.
Trickle down economics is a theory, coined by Regan and his homeys, that if you cut taxes on big business and the wealthy, that they either open more compnaies or make the company bigger and it creates more jobs. Making the economic health of the US better.
HOWEVER, in a global marketplace, the big business owners STILL ship jobs overseas regardless of how much extra they save on taxes. It has been proven that all of the economic stimulus money given to banks and big business DID NOT have a noticeable effect on job growth.
In many cases the economic stimulus package was only distributed at the top of the business and the ordinary workers till got the shaft. Hostess for example, took their stimulus and gave all bigwig executives huge chunks of change.... then they laid everyone off and disbanded the company.
Trump is a big fan of trickle down theory. The last 20 years have been a time of great wealth for the upper class, the disparity of wealth has grown exponentially with big businesses getting labor dirt cheap from China, India, and Mexico. The hugely wealthy and connected are only making much more with low taxes and government stipends (GE paid no corporate taxes last year). The middle class and poor are suffering and only suffering more than usual.
Giving the wealthy welfare (lets call it what it is, welfare for wealthy businessmen is faaaar more expensive for the US taxpayer than welfare for struggling poor people like we spend 20X as much on corporate bailouts as programs for poor people) hasn't been working out and it needs to stop.
It is simply the rich people swiping the communal fund. Between that and spending over half our tax dollars on military the US has very little to spend on programs that could help.
the thing about nascent fascism (it's totally incoherent, mostly formless, but the general principles of restoring an idealized past through redemptive violence within and without the nation is there in kernels within the support for Trump, but Trump isn't the charismatic leader capable of harnessing or fostering it, he's too stupid, and when it comes down to it, champions bourgeois interests and not the petty bourgeois interests which could actually allow fascism to coalesce) is that it offers the working class a valve to express its frustrations with the hostilities it deals with within the working class, it basically says "mexicans/muslims/jews are the reason why our society is not prosperous/whole/pure/safe" etc, and while working class immediate interests may be bolstered with a reduction in the competition between workers through things like the ethnic cleansing projects of fascist regimes, they are irreparably harmed through the hostility fascists have toward explicitly working class institutions, like unions and striking, or institutions like liberal democracy, which afford the working class a degree of control over the state, though not very much.
so while it would be fair to say they represent a populist anger among working class and the petty bourgeois, which both have flocked to the left and right, these two variations of populism could only be more opposed to each other the further right and further left they become expressed. which is why communists/socialists and national socialists are ideologically speaking, arch enemies
>>675658068 That is a good point, but that is why we should invest more money into our k-12 system that way these low income areas can really help the kids that need it. Also dwindle down the standardized testing to once a year, get rid of no child left behind or at least rework it so the schools dont feel pressured to pass kids that dont grasp the subjects being taught.
>be me >have children in grade school >correct this fucked up paragraph, in a very specific way, in 5 places >mfw it's fucked in way more than 5 places >mfw sentence structure is subjective >mfw there were actually right and wrong answers >mfw we made that shit flow beautifully.
Fuck common core. It teaches conformity, not competence.
Strange how people can't see that this whole thing is set up to get Hilary into office.
>Trump - bat shit crazy >Bernie - Senile, old, will die during first term due to getting trapped in a revolving door >Cruz - CIS Scum con carne. Eat's his own mouth bacteria. >Hilary - Abused wife, Powerful Senator, Oppressed by congress, trying to get into the all boy's club.
1. He didn't get his inheritance until 1997, he was already worth billions at this time. How could he put his inheritance into a mutual fund 30 years before he even got it?
2. This whole concept of just letting your money accumulate interest while not putting it back into the economy is the exact thing Bernie supporters are against. Trump put his gains back into the economy over and over again.
3. The entire concept that Trump just wants to make more and more money is retarded. If that was true then he would just retire with all his money and let it ride. He's a builder, an entertainer, etc. He likes the system and enjoys making money.
>>675658608 A proper answer (which no one will ever say who's in the pocket of the wealthy power barons) is to give tax breaks to employers who keep jobs American, give tax breaks to employers who pay a living wage (so the tax payers don't have to make up the difference when employees working 40 hours a week don't have a living wage), give taxes to to job creators FOR CREATING JOBS. Don't just call a CEO a job creator, hand him 20 million and have the business upper class take it all and pay chinese sweatshop workers a nickle on the hour to do the actual work.
>>675658550 >implying he's stupid enough to say it in front of running cameras
>Trump told the New York Times editorial board that when the audience looks a little bored, he starts screaming about the wall to wake them up and rouse the crowd. Sure, he knows the wall won't ever get built, but he needs the applause. So he lies.
>The sad thing is that most of Trump's devotees -- I mean supporters -- know he is probably, most likely, definitely, lying. But that doesn't stop them from screaming "build a wall" anytime he sneers at them and starts spewing his hate talk.
I guess you're not even as smart as most of his derporters
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