As for >>612750366, yes the current narrative (and it's just that, a narrative) in social sciences is that "we're all one race". But remember, to be a different species, chimpanzees have only about 1-2% of their DNA different. So, since "race" is literally undefined in biology and does not in any sense correlate with "subspecies", those so-called "tiny" differences between the races are pretty massive when you get right down to it.
>>612749352 I didn't say only blacks, i asked if there were any black countries/communities that WEREN'T shitholes. Show me a witty list of successful black countries/cities like I'm about to do for everyone except blacks >USA >Germany >Japan >any Scandanavian country >Singapore >Dubai >Switzerland >Australia
>>612751263 let's not make the fallacy of overstating our case here; I firmly assert from the evidence that blacks are less intelligent on average than other races, but they're still human and still able to survive and even thrive in the right environment(s).
I would mention that the bane of modern western societies is our inability to be cruel and frugal when it matters. Deficits caused by our inabilities to make meaningful cuts have crippled us over the past 40 years.
>>612752120 Actually, there is some amount of evidence that black people have a particular mutation that governs the creation of muscle fiber, and tends to give black people a greater proportion of "fast twitch" muscle fiber compared to white people. This is a single gene mutation that can easily be shown to vary between races, why would you somehow assume there couldn't be something similar with brain development?
It depends on where they were raised Inner city niggers can't read but I've seen niggers in a fluent neighborhoods as smart and some times smarter than white people in affluent neighborhoods, and Asians usually are smarter due to usually having a very strict lifestyle
>tl;Dr Upbringing determines intelligence not race
>>612752264 this, I had a friend named nigga Jason, he was raised by a white lesbian couple. He was more of a beta nerd then I was, now he is living as a woman and in an engineer at Boeing pulling 100k a year. Funny thing, I am trans now too and I am a parts maker. Soon moving up there to hang out again for old times sake.
>>612750366 Skin color is just one of many differences between the races. No one says that it is what causes blacks to be less intelligent. The drastic differences in selection pressures and environments for tens of thousands of years is what has made the differences between the races.
>>612751965 >US was built by blacks All those black architects and engineers did a hell of a job...or were you referring to the dumb physical labor of slaves? And even that, I guarantee there were more whites than blacks building ANY city in America.
>>612753102 I got about one paragraph into this and find a major flaw in this author's thinking: race is about more than just skin color, and skin color is about more than just "protecting us from too much sunshine". But I wouldn't expect a liberal to understand actual science.
>>612752730 This Black anon here: I'm not racist and hate racists; however I don't think that inner-city ghetto culture really promotes education and using your intelligence. Blacks in the hood are just as intelligent as white folks in the suburbs; they're just not encouraged by their culture to use that intellect. Growing up deep in the hood in Chicago's South Side, I can say that I was never encouraged to seek education and be smarter by my upbringing. I dropped out of school completely in 6th grade Upbringing has everything to do with "smartness"
>>612753094 so repeatedly finding evidence of nigger scoring lower on academic and IQ based test holds no bearing? science is based in observation and no their skin color doesn't make them less intelligent it is the way their brain develops, but people with similar skin seems to all be yielding the same results
>>612746181 This amuses me a bit. There are undeniable differences in average IQ by race. There is also a more subtle difference in male vs females (here not on the average but more on the standard deviation). The IQ measure is not perfect and these are the results. I don't see why anyone should be offended by this.
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>>612757017 On average, the wealthiest of blacks are outperformed by the poorest of whites on the SAT. This shows that the achievement gap is not caused by poverty. Blacks are innately less intelligent than whites.
>>612753359 These "statistics" are hilarious. Phrenology hasn't been a popular theory since like 1840's yet it's quoted here. Also the herpes test as well, I don't understand how you would come up with those numbers. Anyway I'm not swayed either way with this argument, but at least provide some facts instead of just spurting bullshit 24/7
>ethnicity being a substantial determinant factor on intelligence >not accounting for the ethnic disparity and systematic marginalization of darker races in virtually all dimensions (educational, socioeconomic, media presence, etc.)
>>612746181 There is a difference in average IQ by race. That is undeniable. What is more debatable is whether or not there is causality between race and IQ. In fact most of the observed IQ differences can be explained by the socioeconomic status. But then again, one can ask ... but what if a higher IQ brings you more wealth ? You would not want to use socioeconomics to explain that gap .,. circular reference ... it seems we don't have a very reliable conclusion for now...
>>612757561 Dumb nigger doesn't know that Africa has the most bountiful land in resources compared to the entire world.. Sorry dumb niggers are just dumb niggers they choose mud and sticks cause they haven't evolved to stone yet..
>>612758334 There isn't anything about phrenology on that infograph. There is a proven correlation between skull size and intelligence and that the average skull shape and size is significantly different between races
>>612759276 see >>>>612752501 The fact that the wealthiest of blacks have a lower average SAT score than the poorest of whites shows that socioeconomic status is not the reason for the achievement gap between races.
>>612760157 There is no fucking WAY that's a "fact," unless you're comparing white social workers (lowest wage, highest education) to black boxers (highest wage, no education, constantly punched in the face).
What OP seems to be implying is that white people are "smart" and black people are "dumb". Which is patently false because I have a secret for you guys. MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD ARE DUMB. I'm black and never really bothered by this racist argument people make because I know it's ridiculous. The simple fact if the matter is you guys are basing your intelligence off the work of others. Majority of the shit that surround you now are not only built by other races, but not built by YOU. Cell phones, fridges, plumbing, shit you take for granted you know. If all the engineers, scientist, healthcare professionals, etc etc and were all killed off somehow, and there creations turned to dust.... I doubt that a quarter of us would survive, or at the very least everywhere would look like how Baltimore is right now(only niggers throw riots right?).
TL;DR : everybody is stupid, not just black people
There are a number of reasons that are being advanced to explain the continuing and growing black-white SAT scoring gap. Sharp differences in family incomes are a major factor. Always there has been a direct correlation between family income and SAT scores. For both blacks and whites, as income goes up, so do test scores. In 2005, 28 percent of all black SAT test takers were from families with annual incomes below $20,000. Only 5 percent of white test takers were from families with incomes below $20,000. At the other extreme, 7 percent of all black test takers were from families with incomes of more than $100,000. The comparable figure for white test takers is 27 percent.
But there is a major flaw in the thesis that income differences explain the racial gap. Consider these three observable facts from The College Board's 2005 data on the SAT:
• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.
• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.
• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.
>>612760862 This is not what OP was implying. No one is claiming that every member of certain groups are a certain way. It's about AVERAGES. Men on AVERAGE are taller than women. This does not mean that all men are taller than all women. Whites are on AVERAGE more intelligent than blacks even when controlling for socioeconomic factors. This does not mean that all whites are smarter than all blacks.
This is a failed (or incomplete to the point of irrelevance) study.
did they factor lineage, as in HOW much black DNA vs other the students had?
What is the full sample size? Why?
Was there any form of formal or informal prep prior to taking the test?
Is the population "racially balanced" enough to actually indicate proper sampling?
Seriously. It's like they tried desperately to undertake this project as a legitimate experiment but simply didn't have the necessary scientific knowledge to do it in a way that would matter (though, truth be told, this subject is so complex and has so many factors that it's probably scientifically impossible to arrive at a consensus regarding its results anyway.)
>>612761173 Black people who are as intelligent as the most intelligent whites are an anomaly. There is a regression to the mean with IQ so the offspring of two intelligent black people is more likely to be closer to the average black person than their freakishly intelligent parents. There is also the fact that blacks are propped up and babied by affirmative action and they are held to lower standards than everyone else. That is why black people making 200k aren't necessarily earning by being smart. It is handed to them because they are the best we are going to get.
>>612753753 It's only when Marxist Jews infiltrated American scientific communities in the 50s and 60s that science turned away from any discussion about possible differences between races. Before that open discourse was actually possible.
>>612746181 Dogs have been subjected to thousands of years of careful, intentional guided breeding. When you do those things to human it's called Eugenics, and it tends to be considered a crime against humanity.
White dude here. Last time I tested my IQ a year ago it was 147.
Extreme views in any sense are detrimental to a movement. You can not have people on two sides of a discussion with a black and white view (no pun intended) and expect results. I can see where blacks are coming from because much how religion indoctrinates kids into belief so does the ghetto with gangs. They get them involved young and many times don't leave them a choice. Good friend of mine back in Cali growing up was a blood. He was handed a gun at 8 years old by his brother who was 22 and said you are ganna post up or we'll beat you/kill you. Pretty crap decision for an 8 year old to make if you ask me but that 22 year old was told the same thing when he was 8 and so on.
They are raised into a black power environment that is teaching kids oppression is from the white man. They believe this because they are told that their whole lives by those already washed through the cycle. That is what it is....a cycle that must be broken. In this generation we will hopefully see a leader that teaches how to break that cycle. Their movement against police brutality is misguided and has no leader. All they have is mob mentality and when you exercise mob mentality with no leader that the people will listen to you will always end up destruction.
>>612763017 >did they factor lineage, as in HOW much black DNA vs other the students had?
It would be a reasonable assumption that anyone who could qualify as black even if they are only 30% black and 70% white would classify themselves that way on a college application in order receive undeserved scholarships and grants. This would also give you a much better chance of being accepted with sub par scores. This only makes blacks look worse. Even with mixed race individuals in the black category the average SAT score is still pitiful.
White people in history aren't better then what you would call a savage. We are just more clever as to how we mask our violence. For instance I was raised in America. I understand I was brain washed as a child by saying the pledge everyday and general patriotism instilled in me. I know it's there and still can't help but get an america boner when we blow some shit up. It's because its deeply rooted in us. History belongs to the victor and we wrote history for the white man. We conquered in every sense that there was until we realized that force isn't viable. Psychological warfare is much more powerful then destroying cities. We can win hearts and minds with kind acts or like in our home front Propaganda.
White people through out history are greedy and violent but so are the Egyptians/war lords of Somalia/North Koreans/Russians....it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is....ALL HUMANITY IS INHERENTLY GREEDY. We want more. We want what they have. We will get it. As society is evolving into the next stage right before our eyes we all ask ourselves Who is the enemy?
We create enemies as we create purpose to our lives. Saying "this person is responsible for my hardship" and not standing up to say "I will overcome this hardship in my life." The realization that there is only one enemy and it is the eye of the beholder. I would say our success is based on 5% circumstance, 5% coincidence, 90% self.
The fact is...all humanity has an evil history because if you aren't a greed driven person you are still subject to the greedy men of this world. Meaning there will never be peace on earth but you can chose to have peace.
>>612746181 because there's no evidence of that just because black people have lower IQs doesn't mean it's because they're black there's a thousand societal and frankly geographical reasons why black people would have lower IQs there is no evidence that being black inherently inhibits your intelligence
>>612764822 There are smart black people. They are just very very rare. A lot of blacks who are considered "smart" are only as smart as a slightly above average white or asian person. Everyone has become used to having lower standards for blacks.
>>612746181 >Why is it so hard for people to admit that blacks are just less intelligent?
Because the implication is that it's because of their DNA, and not because of the fact that they're been fucked over in our society for centuries.
Contrary to the popular belief among dipshits, being poor and being raised in a shitty neighborhood as part of a long cultural legacy of marginalization does impact how you do on things like IQ tests, SATs, the job market, etc.
>>612765034 >I'm an evolutionists guys trust every word I say
Look, I'm no expert on the matter. But I try to be as intellectually honest as I can. I call it as I see it. I don't try to pass as far as I can tell, with the human race there are shifts between powers and what can be viewed as "intelligence" all the time. Just look at history Ottoman Empire, Egyptians, Persians, Brittians, Chinese etc etc... You wouldn't constantly claim that every time a nation of people rose to the top they were the most intelligent at the time because that wouldn't make sense because they would have stayed at the top. Shit changes man, end of story. I see no satisfactory evidence towards the contrary.
>>612765386 Most likely none. Sites like 23andme and Ancestry.com offer to test a persons dna for a fee and tell you what your genetic ancestry is. I've never had mine tested but the majority of white people who have used this service (95-98%) were found to have only European dna. This was different for African Americans and Hispanics obviously.
>>612765034 what you're doing now is the same shit people have been arguing as part of the scientific racism movement since the early 20th century.
modern day 'whites' only developed independent from blacks for a period of a few hundreds of thousands of years. that's a long time historically, but in terms of evolution it's jack shit. natural selection works very slowly, and you can't argue that IQ differences are the result of somehow drastic evolution in the geological equivalent of a split-second.
>>612767507 The DNA evidence required to suggest a direct, alternative evolutionary 'series' leading to modern black people does not exist. This is speculation on the behalf of 'expert opinion', which is a shitty quality of evidence.
>>612765546 Can you, or any "slightly above average white person" build an operable cell phone? And for an extra challenge try to do so without reading info on how the tech was conceived(by a black man). There are many other inventions as well. And could you go into further detail as to why intelligent black people are a "biological anomaly" please?
>>612766680 The average intelligence of society is what determines what the quality of life for the average person will be. Having plenty of food, being able to call the police when blacks commit crimes, being able to go to a hospital when you are sick or when a black person assaults you, etc... The contributions of the most intelligent members of our race has led to these things being possible. The average intelligence of the majority of our members allows it to be maintained. A race with an average IQ too low would result in constant violence, poverty, starvation etc...
The vast majority of protestors there aren't being violent.
Furthermore, the number of violent protestors in Baltimore and Ferguson combined is far less than the amount of angry white people who have torn shit up because their favorite ball-game team lost an important game of ball. I guess that makes them white chimps and hypocrites too.
>>612767224 Not when there is a drastic change in selection pressures. That is what is important with evolution. Time is a factor, but the differences in selection pressures are the big deal (breeding animals).
>>612768781 Oh wow, so you really don't have any idea what you are talking about do you? A DNA test can tell you exactly what parts of the world your ancestors cam from. Different races cluster genetically because we are genetically different.
>>612768705 >Time is a factor, but the differences in selection pressures are the big deal (breeding animals).
But remember, for selection pressures to select something, there has to be genetic variety. Meaningful genetic variety can only happen as a result of mutations dragged out over a long period of time. Over the last 100 years, we've seen a sizable part of the population of Sub-Saharan Africa be born with sickle-cell anemia because of the selective pressure of the malaria outbreak. This is a single allele that took centuries to 'spread' to the entire population.
Now think of how many thousands of genes need to be changed in order to drastically alter brain function. This requires shitloads of time.
Intelligence is for a fair portion affected by DNA. A race is just a pool of genes developed in a certain part of the world. Some pools could have more developed intellect-developing genes than another, and almost certainly do, the idea that tens of thousands of years of genetic isolation wouldn't result in change in a such a diverse and large number of genes as the certainly vast number of them needed for mental development is something only a simpleton or a an overly sensitive , politically correct, and/or intellectually dishonest person would believe. I can't be arsed to find it but I saw a study comparing the problem solving ability of different raced infants. Turned out like you'd think it would.
>>612769513 I work in a genotyping lab. They map SNPS (single nucleotide polymorphisms). There are literally thousands of variations in the human genome. Some are characteristic of particular lineages of DNA.
By measuring hundreds of these in a particular genome you can deduce what the ancestry of that DNA is.
I literally analyze Cow, Pig, and Salmon DNA 40 hours a week to help professional animal breeders breed the best animals with the best traits. It's basically the cutting edge of agricultural technology and avoids genetically modifying animals. Instead of manually tampering with the DNA of animals we just help the breeders pick the perfect animals to breed naturally.
I can tell you exactly what breeds of cow were the parents of any beef sample you give me.
t. camel >>612748775 Lost my shit, but the analogy truly doesn't work. It falls apart when taking into consideration the following facts.
1. Humans are not dogs. There is a vast difference in the evolution of dogs and humans, and different things must be understood.
1a. Humans evolved primarily in Africa, with some populations leaving and two different populations evolving lighter skin like one might see in europeans/middle-easterners and east asians. Wolves evolved in
1b. Human races (genetically speaking) aren't clearly defined groups if you're observing from within the particular population. For instance, most white europeans might consider sub-saharan africans to be of a singular race. However, some groups of sub-saharan africans might consider other groups of sub-saharan africans of different races. Some insight is gained from this observation when it's compared to Rwanda and the stupid bullshit that happened there, with hutus and tutsis killing each other over perceived differences. Conversely, sub-saharan africans might consider Europeans of a singular race, which is frankly wrong from the point of view of Europeans, who consider eachother to be shitskin niggers all of the fucking time.
1c. Dogs on the other hand weren't normally under the pressure of natural selection for the vast majority of their time being domesticated. They had certain traits that were naturally selected for, but most of the others were clearly bred for, owing to the vast variety of dog breeds there are. Humans have historically been influenced by natural selection, and still are today. Eugenics tried, but it pegged lots of things to genetics that aren't influenced by genetics. .
>>612768291 Lol ok goodnight man I have welding school tommorrow and I'm sleepy. But I just want to say, as a black man, I don't hate you but I can honestly say I used to be just like you in my feelings toward my people. This is purely anectodal but my trouble was not knowing black people and confirmation bias, and I believe you suffer from the same. I think you should get out of your bubble man it helped me out a lot. Good night man
>>612770465 >By measuring hundreds of these in a particular genome you can deduce what the ancestry of that DNA is.
So the current consensus based on DNA evidence is that modern day Europeans and Asians came out of Africa, but white people can only have European DNA? Shouldn't the tests show that white people have African DNA, considering that it's the source of all modern humans? How far back are they even looking when they say 'European', because it all goes back to Africa at some point, yes?
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