Give one reason abortion should be legal. >hint: you can't.

Because you have no right telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies.
>I just told you one reason

>>611198556
Niggers.

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>>611198556

so we can eat aborted fetuses and gain their power

>>611198556
on one hand it's killing babies, which is cool.

but on the other, it's giving women a choice, which is lame.

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>>611198556

because without a common moral cause to rally against the catholic church would fold and pass away into obscurity...

you need abortion. it's the coat hanger joker to your bible belted batman.

>>611199275
Old joke is old.

>>611198556
The death of a human is no more significant than killing an ant. Any value put on it is completely arbitrary.

population control

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>>611198556

>>611199540
>tips fedora with katana

>>611199492
and yet it's still relevant

>>611198556
Because making it illegal commonly puts the state in the middle of a mother's grief.

I had a friend miscarry at 5 months, investigated by ND police. Fuckers tried to press a case on her because you assholes wrote your happy pro-baby law in such a way that all late-term miscarriages are suspect.

I hate abortion. But making it illegal doesn't save babies, it destroys mothers' lives.

>>611199321
>me went there
Yes.

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>>611198556

Because I should not have to give 30% of my salary to some unstable bitch because she poked a hole in my condom.

Less niggers and liberals

Fewer unwanted children = less crime, poverty

>>611198556
No more op
/thread

>>611198556
>abortion_bait_2015/10

Rape

>>611199192
>TTTPPBPTPBPTBPPBTPPPB

>>611200102
This post is b8. Abortion should be illegal, unless the child's going to be retarded.

Because I also believe eugenics should be practised.
I win.

>>611198556
>Give one reason abortion should be legal.

Because rapists have the presumption of innocence

>>611200366
Asking for it

>>611198556
less crack babies
less fucked up kids
more resources for everyone
stem cells

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TOO MANY PEOPLE.

>>611199838
>Implying it isn't completely true

>>611200104
/thread

>>611200148
thats a utopia

There is literally NO REASON for abortion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrYOj3iwskk

ALL LIFE IS A GIFT FROM GOD. A DISABLED OR RAPE-CONCEIVED CHILD IS ONE OF THE GREATEST GIFTS GOD CAN GIVE. WHEN A WOMAN LEARNS SHE IS CARRYING A CHILD WITH DOWN SYNDROME, ANENCEPHALY OR THE RAPE-CONCEIVED IT IS ONE OF THE MOST JOYOUS THINGS A WOMAN CAN FEEL, BECAUSE SHE LEARNS THE PRECIOUSNESS OF LIFE.

>>611200487
ayy lmao

Right because prohibiting abortion takes away a woman's right to avoid pregnancy... JUST USE A CONDOM!

>>611198556
Sometimes it's the only way to save the life of the mother. Actual life is more important than potential life.

>>611198556
Rape, niggers, poor, birth defects. done

>>611198925
/thread

If you don't beleive in abortion then don't get one.
If you don't beleive in God don't follow Christianity.
If you don't beleive in smoking then don't smoke.
If you don't beleive in exotic pets then don't get an exotic pet
Why do you faggots need to try and make everything illegal? Everyone is entitled to a choice. For every new stupid law you make you're destroying your own freedom.

>>611198556
abortion should be legal because its responsible for the death of millions of niggers

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>>611201492

>>611198556
Give me one argument that doesn't reduce to "because I said so". Also,you can't claim the word of your god unless you can prove existence. My guess is you're nothing more than an overbearing holier than thou faggot who should be removed from society..

>>611201611
The ENTIRE point of birth control was to wipe out blacks and the undesirable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eWxCRReTV4

First off. It all depends on when the baby is presumed human. Personally, I believe when pain is put into place. Abortion should be illegal after a certain amount of months in my opinion, but I don't matter. Now, rape and all that shit and woman and her own body. All good reasons to keep the law legal. It would be better if they just had a system to enroll the child into foster care or have the child be born without child birth. But this isn't a perfect world. Population isn't a problem yet. It'll only be a problem when all the smart people are dying out. This is no reason to keep abortion.

>>611198556
Autistic fucks like you

>>611200399
>Implying we need more humans
>Implying the fetus has an idea of whats going on

>>611200798
>RAPE-CONCEIVED
You are sick.

>>611201492
What if my mother believed in abortion but I didn't? A woman's 'right' to avoid being a mother interferes with someone's right to live.

>>611202013
/Thread.

>>611202213
then you'd be in the fucking dirt faggot, you better kiss your moms ass for not aborting your fat neckbeard ass

>>611198556
"God" apparently is ok with abortion as they occur rather frequently as part of the natural order of things. Who the fuck do you thonk you are to know better than your "God".

7+ billion overcrowded planet reasons for allowing it.

I really feel like the abortion debate is unresolvable. Femenists (the largest pro-choice demographic) like to frame it as a women's rights issue, and the religious pro-life side argue it as a moral issue, but it's not really either, or rather, it's both.

To me the abortion debate is a social issue that affects everyone. It's true that women should have the right to decide what they do with their bodies, but it's also true that doing so involves taking the life of another potential human being.

I think that if we want to get anywhere with this issue, we have to admit that it's not just a women's right issue, and it's not just a moral or religious issue.

>>611202213
Then that is a family issue. Ultimately it is your body and your choice. The government shouldn't have to be involved.

>>611200104
/thread

>>611202213
Ah but then people put up the fight that this argument is Post-Hoc. It literally has to do with the same bounds as: I like coffee, my daughter doesn't. I drank coffee the night before i made my wife pregnant. Thus making my daughter that should exist, not. All because I drank coffee to change my sperm.

>>611198556
something like 75% of fertilized eggs never make it to term. most are disposed of without the mother ever realizing she was pregnant. abortion is a mere drop in the bucket

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>>611201708
Stable people on /b/?!?!?! I never thought I'd see the day!

>>611198556
minorities use it the most

>>611198925
>their bodies
Nope.

>>611198556
Because there is a direct correlation between abortions being legal and lower crime rates. A lot of people who get abortions or wish for one do so because they are not equipped to raise the child. When a child is born into a family that cannot provide or look after them as they should be often times they will become delinquents and eventually turn to crime or make the same mistakes their parents did and fuck up the next generation too. Kids should only be born when the parents are actually ready yo have them or both parents and children suffer

>>611203415
See:
>>611201822

>>611199029
This. If not for abortion niggers would be roaming wild everywhere instead of the getos

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>>611198925

What's the deal with stem cells nowadays? Haven't heard about them in ages are they illegal now? If people are going to abort their kids, might as well put them to use.

>>611203751
>their parasite
yep

Fuck saying it's a womans body. I work TGI Fridays as a bartender and I have had multiple PREGNANT woman order alcohol from me. I can't refuse to serve them because it's considered discrimination and my ass would be out of a job. But I despise these fucking trashy ass woman who claim they can do whatever the fuck they want because it their body. No fuck you, their is another body growing in you and it's not fucking right that you fuck up their life because of your fucking choices.

>>611201492
I'm inclined to agree with you, but at the same time, some people don't want to stand by as others practice what, to them, amounts to murder.

>>611198556
An established life is more valuable than a potential one.
>>611203751
Yep.

>>611204258
We're all parasites until we're 18, and some of us long after

>>611204073
Ghettos*
If you're going to insult someone for not having intelligence, then do it correctly.

>>611198556
because OP exists
>tfw we could have aborted you and been spared this autism

>>611198556
Medical dangers involved in childbirth. Most are necessary when the danger is too great.

I am pro death across the board, capitol punishment for murder is fine(you choose to take someones life who has contributed productively and could continue to do so yours should be forfeit), the right to commit suicide(you have the say as to when you wish to freely end your own life), abortion is fine too--only a selfish prick would bring another life into such a world without considering all the possible consequences so the option of death before seeing this world may not necessarily be as cruel as the 70 year life sentence to a wild roller coaster of happiness and misery.

Abortion should be illegal except for blacks. For them it should be free and come with free ringtones for their Obama phones.

Because of freedom and seperation of church and state.

>>611204421
>Yep.

>implying if we didn't find an embryo shaped thing on another planet we wouldn't be freaking out about finding life, doubly so when we found out that not only does it have DNA but it has 23 distinct chromosomes that all match up to ours

>>611202881
Alright, but I don't think that the baby gets much of a choice in the matter. I think right to life trumps right to avoid an inconvenience, except if its life I threatening or rape-concieved.

>>611198556
For the same reason it's legal for me to cum in a wad of toilet pear and flush it down the toilet. I wasn't trying to have a baby and it isn't a human.

>>611204469
Hey fuck you some of us get emancipated

>>611204936
You can't force someone to go through 9 months of anything. Having sex isn't a crime, it doesn't deserve a 9 month sentence.

You think it's a human life? Then it should be able to live outside the womb like every other human being does.

Until it's born, it's a parasite. No one makes me keep my flu virus healthy until it can find another host. Can't make me keep a baby.

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>>611198556

>>611199029
/thread

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>>611198556
Too bad it is, though

>>611204970
>baby
top kek

>>611205376
Do you go on welfare with your emancipation? Because the reality is emancipation is just divorcing the parents, and any public assistance you get on the parents are forced to pay for despite you not living under their roof.

>>611198556

I can think of at least one mistake we'd be better off without, OP.

>>611205839
>Le terminology hair split
It's a baby.

>>611202213
A fetus can't not believe in abortion, it can't believe or not believe in anything, because it doesn't have the cognitive function.

The argument around abortion is inherently a philosophical discussion about what makes a human human. Since that's completely arbitrary the government really shouldn't pick a side.

>>611198556
So that the world would have less of imbecilic trash like you

>>611205578
The denial in this post is delicious.

>>611205578
No one is for anyone to do anything. It's nature. You have sex, whoops, someone gets pregnant. Its been that way for thousands of years

It's not a parasite, it's a human life. It's a human life that you have no right to decide whether it lives or dies

>>611201269
That would constitute an exception.

>>611204630
Abortion was literally legalized to wipe out blacks:
>>611201822

>>611201611
If you were aborted then we wouldn't be haVing this conversation would we? Go ahead and interview all the aborted fetuses you can find.

>>611205908
Nah man had an apprenticeship and got a share flat. Lived like shit for years but eventually came into my own.
That said i was a parasite until i was 17.

>>611205994
Zygote embryo or fetus.
Its not a baby till its out of the cunt

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>>611206334
Too bad we do have that right, though

>>611198556
Because it breeds more unwanted people, like you.

>>611198556
you are one reason

>>611204133
So if you kick the kid out, will they be able to survive an hour?
Definition of a parasite

because idiots who think its morally correct won't have any children to carry on their lower intelligence

>>611206877
And yet it can be a victim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

>>611206877
The law says differently. Go kill a pregnant woman and see of the courts don't up your sentence for the murder of two

>>611207037
This

>>611206334
Oh yeah...we could never do anything unnatural...like argue on the fucking internet.

Besides killing is totally natural.

You can't have it both ways mate either nature matters and your morals dont or your morals matter and you cant prevent someone from escaping 9months of hell

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>>611200798
Pretty much everyone is "rape-conceived" going far enough back, are you gonna kill them too?

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Why is eating eggs legal?
Same thing.
An unborn non living thing doesn't have any rights.

>>611207125
>>611207136
Doesnt make it a baby! Just means it has some protections. Im not allowed to kill dogs for the fun of it either.

>>611207274
Eggs aren't fertilized, if you had any sense in you you'd know that.

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>>611207125
you're right, let's change that nonsense

>>611206334
20-40% will self miscarriage anyways.

>>611198556
We could eliminate fags like you before you pollute our world.

>>611206334
I have every right. I created it, I can destroy it. Read your fucking bible you idiot.

>>611206877
>Its not a baby till its out of the cunt
Yes it is.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby

>>611207125
You make me laugh, anon. I would LOVE to do shrooms with you

>>611206730
Good on you then if you managed to keep your parents out of it, others at the short end of emancipation don't get off so lucky and aside from that emancipation does not rid parents of other responsibilities as well when an emancipated minor fucks up on their own, even an emancipated minor can cause all sorts of other legal troubles for their parents despite the legal separation

>>611206897
Not for long, Abortion rights are slowly being chipped away at. It's following the pattern of Brown v BOE where small steps eventually reach the larger goal.

In denial? Check out the pattern since Roe v Wade. Abortion legal window period is slowly getting smaller. More and more restrictions are being put in place

You can't prove me wrong

>>611207397
>>611207328
Sweet sweet tears.

>>611207422
>people die in accidents all the time, so what's wrong with running people over? they're violating my autonomy by walking in front of my car anyway!

>>611207365
If you had any sense then you would have noticed that something that is not yet able to live outside of the womb does not count as living. Sorry m8, them babies are dead.

I would say 20 weeks should be the limit, unless there is a serious medical problem that can either effect the fetus or the mother. If you can't decide what to do in the 1st half of the pregnancy, then just put it up for adoption. Plenty of people want new born babies.

>>611199492
>>611199873
And also still true

>>611198556
because you're fag ass is posting
all the reason we need

>>611207489
>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby
5th definition
Literally means figuratively too now.
Just cos enough christfags call it a baby the dictionary says it is to avoid people being confused. In a scientific or legal sense its not a baby.

>>611198556
Because children suck ass?

>>611207763
> doesn't apply in any way
> shit posting
the mothers body does it, not a car

>>611207605
Most people shouldnt be able to get emancipated.

So you have to wait until the baby is born before you can start making decisions for it and run its life?

>>611198556
First amendment!

you dont need an abortion clinic to have an abortion. these people just protest clinics because they don't want to see it. It's a safe place where you're supposed to have a safe and sterile procedure
But there are many, many ways to have an abortion that the law can't keep watch. A determined woman will abort the fetus. Unless they propose to strap a woman down for nine months like cattle, abortion clinics exist simply because they utilize safe abortion methods that don't harm the pregnant woman.

I wouldn't ever get an abortion- I'm infertile anyways- but I dont control another woman's uterus, and she deserves the right to safely abort an unwanted pregnancy.

I don't understand it anyways. Wah wah fucking welfare bitches learn to use a condom, stop pushing out kids, but don't you dare get an abortion. make up your fucking mind.

>>611207486
You have no right. In fact going by your logic, the father then also has a right in choosing whether it live or dies. He created it to, right?

>>611207037
This is true about a baby that's a month old, stop oversimplifying. The baby would survive more than an hour, but you can't choose an arbitrary unit of time for how long something needs to be self-sufficient before it's no longer a parasite.

>>611207721
Mate can you see pyramids?
Are your socks wet?
You're in De Nile

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>>611207878
Something can't be dead before it's alive. It's simply non-living.
That's also not what defines "life."

>>611198556
because niggers should be aborted

Abortion occurs in nature

>>611208295
Dude, it can't even breath on its own. Has to be bait

I mean, it isnt anyones right to tell others how to live their life. Bitches want abortion, let them have it. It isnt really that big of a deal, its just a distraction tactic man. Now about them tribal towel-heads wanting to blow up everything......

>>611207274
Eating chickens is legal too you dipshit. Where do you come up with this crap?

>>611200046
>not knowing Ali G
Faggot

>>611208480
abortion is all natural and organic

>>611205578
>You can't force someone to go through 9 months of anything.
Actually, I have been forced to go through my entire life.

>Having sex isn't a crime, it doesn't deserve a 9 month sentence.
Correct, having sex isn't a crime, which means that pregnancy is not a punishment.

>You think it's a human life? Then it should be able to live outside the womb like every other human being does.
You think it's a human life? Then it should be able to live outside life support like every other human being does.

>Until it's born, it's a parasite. No one makes me keep my flu virus healthy until it can find another host. Can't make me keep a baby..
Everyone on this board is a parasite. You keep your flu virus healthy until it can find another host. The court system can very easily make you keep a baby for 18 years.

>>611208133
I'm not that anon, but he's talking about abortions being the car driver and miscarriages being the accident that happen all the time.

>>611199192
this..
these "kids" are fucked up beyong belief and have no hope of living normal lives. why should they live a life of pointlessness and ridicule?

>>611208950
...The third one is a good point.

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>>611208076
>Just cos enough christfags call it a baby the dictionary says it is to avoid people being confused. In a scientific or legal sense its not a baby.
Those "christfags" have been using the word "baby" to refer to unborn children for longer than you tippers have been using the retarded euphemism "abortion".

>>611200798
stronk b8 is stronk

>>611209418
Since when is saying christfag automatically make me a fedora? We not allowed to bag out christfags now? Fuck man what happened to my /b/

>>611209097
You might need to reread what that anon said then if you think the running people over is the same accident as a body rejecting a fetus

>>611207706
Then I'd better get as many done as possible before it's too late!

>>611198556
Cause i don't like babies crying in movie theaters

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Hey guys. OP here. Was at a Bible study and couldn't reply to the thread. What's up?

duhhhh cause you don't want a baby

>>611209641
Kill yourself

>>611200624
>implying you don't own a katana or a fedora

>>611209650
>Fuck man what happened to my /b/
>implying /b/ has ever been good

>>611206063
In 10 years that fetus will be thankful his mother didn't abort him. I think most fetuses were they given the capability to think it over, would prefer not to die. Everything that is pure and untroubled would choose not to die.

>>611207037
So, if you kick the brain out, will it be able to survive an hour?
Definition of a parasite.
capcha: fackp

>>611198925
Once a human is growing inside you it`s not your body anymore it`s a shared body, also a fetus is a developing body too so by your logic women have no right to choose to kill it.

>inbd cluster of cells
everyone is a cluster of cells.

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>>611209650
>Since when is saying christfag automatically make me a fedora?
Well then wes thu hal to you, enjoy sacrificing babies to your heathen gods or whatever it is you do.

>>611209726
But the analogy works. A woman has no choice in a miscarriage. It's natural, nothing we can do about it, it just is what it is, like an accident, it's bound to happen to someone somewhere. Abortion is a choice though, fully intentional, just like running someone over. I'm undecided about abortion, but that anon wins on that point.

>>611210061
It was, faggot. /b/ used to be awesome.

Magnets.

>>611198556

>Give one reason abortion should be legal.

Less niggers.

>>611209954
Gonna need a bigger b8

OP, let me rape ur mom and i'll give u an answer (and a brother)

>>611200003
Welp at least your slut friend learned to pull out.

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>>611210101
0/10 maybe next time buddy

>>611210203
>awesome
Want to know how I can tell you're new here?

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thread/

>>611210061
It wasnt good. But it was equally unfair. Now we have christfags who leap at anyone who mocks christfags spamming fedora memes. Fedora memes should be reserved for atheistfag shitposters

>>611198556
I want it to be.
That's a reason.

>>611210202
Hahaha good samefag. Miscarriage =/= abortion

>>611210095
Yet many full grown adults freely choose a dignified death at their own hand

>>611210202
there are a shit load more miscarriages than people realize. over 70% of "babies" don't get to full term.

>>611210334
I am sure if that was the case then my mother would have the baby. We are all works of God whether you like it or not, and we will not take away a human life. That child could be the next Nobel Prize winner! Next president even! Life is a precious thing and should not be taken away.

>>611210173
>implying im not christian
>implying that one has to be pagan to see that christfags are christfags
>implying god gives a shit about abortion

there would be billions of niglets running around in this nation

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>>611198556

>>611210430
Been here since '06. "/b/ was never good" is just a meme, newfag.

>>611210452
I don't think you understand how ven diagrams work.

>>611210670
Margaret Sanger was literally a eugenicist.

>>611210725
fuckin saved havent seen that one.

>>611210735
No, it's always been garbage. It's had it's moments, but a polished turd is still a turd.

>>611210648
A rape-baby couldn't amount to anything after people find out it's a rape-baby

>>611198556

Because Americans have a fundamental right to privacy, which implies that infringement of that right would require strict scrutiny, in the form of a compelling state interest, and a ban that's narrowly tailored to acheiving that state interest (without being over or under inclusive).

So far, no anti-abortion initiative has been able to meet this high standard. Also, stare decisis.

Americans have a long-recognized fundamental right of bodily integrity, of family planning (especially within marriage) and privacy. Why should a women who gets knocked up have to devote 9 months to something she wants nothing to do with? It'd be the rough equivalent of the government mandating that they shoot you full of hormones for nine months, whether you like it or not.

>>611210009
Underrated post

>>611210649
obviously if there's a god he doesn't give a fuck since "he" kills a lot more babies than we ever can.

>>611199192
Thats is fucking beautiful, and excellent peice of bioart!

>>611208076
I'm pretty sure the location of a person doesn't define what it is. If anything, the stage in the development process does. About a month before birth, an unborn baby looks the same as a newborn, albeit has a few small differences. Is an unborn baby not a human being? If no, what is it then? I'm pretty sure it has the same DNA, a heart, a brain, arms, legs, and a future.

>>611210935
What the fuck are you here for then, asshole?

>>611198556
There are two ways a fetus can help people in society.
1. It grows up to be a respectable individual who decides to help people with their life.
2. We harvest it's stem cells to help people.

If a woman doesn't want a child then why let it grow up as an orphan? Why force a woman to give birth to just be a bad parent or give the kid away? If a woman doesn't want a child, then they should be allowed to opt out. If a man doesn't want a child, he too should be allowed to opt out. Some people don't want to be parents, and most people would rather be dead than have shitty parents who mistreat them, so in the end it's really what the child would grow up wishing had happened.

>>611198556
Because it's hilarious

>>611211071
/thread

>>611211129
>we're here forever

>>611210009
/thread

It's decreasing the nigger population as more and more niggreses get abortions

>>611211093
brain functions should define a living person. the brain doesn't develop into well into the process.

>>611198556
Not only should it be legal (which it already is dumbfuck) but it should be MANDATED to help thin the herd of retards having all these 'throw away' kids.

Directioners, that's it

>>611211093
>albeit has a few small differences
>doesnt sperm have DNA?
>wheres the line m8?
birth.

So many recycled arguments in this thread. currently taking bioethics to fill a gen ed requirement, actually an interesting class. all of this will be shortened for brevity sake, so use crit. thinking skills, and maybe this will get some conversation going:
>pro life
babies are humans and humans have a right to life, so babies have a right to life, is a bad argument. The underlying logic is babies are genetically human but not persons, and humans have a right to life as a virtue of their personhood, not as a virtue of their genetic make up. Otherwise, people with chromosomal disorders (not just downs, but klinefelters and others) wouldnt have a right to life as well.
>pro choice
fetus are a parasite, not human, no right to life etc.
problem with that argument is that babies are utterly dependent on their parents as well, so that logic which justifies infanticide, if youre alright with that, well thats an entirely different case.
>pro choice - restricted
Abortion is okay only as long as baby isnt viable outside the womb.
From a philosophical standpoint, the location of a baby shouldnt determine its rights, that doesnt make sense, and what age is viable outside the womb varies across the globe, compare NY city hospital vs bumfuck africa.
Im missing some stuff but, the main thing is to stop thinking of MY RIGHT whichever side youre on, think about what would be the morally decent thing to do, and also think about what exactly makes killing a person wrong, and if those reasons are applicable to a fetus

The world population is over 7 billion. What more reason do you need?

>>611210988
see >>611207194
Those rape babies founded western civilization

>>611198556
Because theirs too many fucking stupid kids that need to die. I dont even care if their fucking 8, if they like hunger games or if there honey boo boo, THEY NEED TO BE FUCKING KILLED LIKE THE RATS THEY ARE!!!!!!!!!

>>611210617
Not even samefagging. You're thick af dude, I never said miscarriage = abortion, I was emphasizing the difference.

>>611198556
You

>>611211351
every woman should have at least one abortion

>>611211412
>doesnt sperm have DNA?
Haploid. A zygote and anything beyond is diploid, just like you and I.

>>611211520
This.

>>611200798
Fuck off christfag.

>>611211437
I'm pretty sure Western Civilization has been discovered already...

>>611211427
Thinking like any good Malthusianist--I dig that

>>611211437
I meant in today's world, not in the days of old.

>>611211034
>Because Americans have a fundamental right to privacy

Overridden by right of the other party to live.

>infringement of that right would require strict scrutiny, in the form of a compelling state interest

State has a compelling interest in the survival of its citizens.

>Also, stare decisis.

Stare decisis applies to lower courts. If it were applied the way you want it, Dred Scott would also still be law.

>Why should a women who gets knocked up have to devote 9 months to something she wants nothing to do with? It'd be the rough equivalent of the government mandating that they shoot you full of hormones for nine months, whether you like it or not.

Characterizing the pregnancy as some passive thing that just happens is intellectually dishonest.

It's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer what behaviors lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy results in the creation of a third party who has rights that override nebulous claims of privacy, bodily integrity (interesting use of terms given abortion involves barbaric destruction of the third party's bodily integrity), and "family planning."

>>611198556
Hey Troll, most pregnancies end in termination by natural cycles. very few Implanted ones ever make it to birth .. aborted ones dont.

>>611210633
Many but not most. A majority of people don't commit suicide and a majority of people are happy that they weren't aborted. A majority of the aborted fetuses, if given the chance to live wouldn't kill themselves. Also, if someone commits suicide, it means that they are either facing some kind of hardship or that they are mentally unstable. According to Evolution, not wanting to live isn't a genetic trait as anything that didn't want to live wouldn't exist anymore but things with a strong desire to live would have forced out the rest of the species without that trait. Fetuses haven't learned much so they are almost purely instinct so I think that every fetus were it given the capability would decide to live, even if later in life they didn't.

>>611211633
>it matters if its haploid or diploid but not if its inside the woman or outside the woman

>>611198556

That is not how it works, OP. We don't have to justify why anything should be legal. Everything starts out legal. YOU have to justify why it shouldn't be legal.

I can't believe we're still having this bitter debate four decades after Roe v Wade. Why can't we come up with a compromise? Like rational adults? Make some laws. Negotiate. Lay down some rules for when it's acceptable/legal, and when it's not.

It's time to end the debate, once and for all.

>>611210648
and you have a nobel prize? are you a president? i dont

>>611211463
I wan't sure but after I read your post I decided it might be better if we allowed abortion if only for people like you.

>>611201492
If you dont believe in islam,dont blow yourself up.
>but fine if others do.
you cant be this retarded to come up with that argument.

>>611203847
There's actually a direct reverse correlation between gun ownership and lower crime rates.

>>611211491
Then you are a dense fuck if you don't want to look up the miscarriage numbers. My first post in this thread is that 20-40% of fetuses are miscarriages. So how you tied in abortion is completely implying and that's why you are retarded. Driving the car is a conscious decision, not being big enough or have enough nutrients to support a fetus is not.

>>611211413
>EVERYONES ARGUMENT IS STUPID!
>Now argue more about the exact same things

>>611202507
the planet isnt over crowded

>>611212274
Sperm isn't human life. It's a halploid cell that will never become a person.
A zygote has everything it needs to become a person if you don't already think it is.

I really don't get what you're trying to say.

>>611211520
I believe abortions should be allowed, but limited. It wouldn't be right for a slut to have 6 abortions.

>>611212450
>If you dont like getting blown up dont blow-oh wait you got blown up by someone else
>inb5 the fetus doesnt want to die
Its a fetus it doesnt want anything

>>611211520
>every woman should have at most one abortion
FTFY

>>611212670
>implying people weren't just doing abortions at home before then

>>611198556
Bc I wanna be able to nut in my gal pal without worrying I will be stuck with a pregnant fuckhole.

>make abortion illegal
>find an island
>put all unwanted babies on island
>only the strongest survive
>raise an army
>overthrow the world

/thread

>>611212640
Sperm wont become a person
Zygotes become people
...
Sperm become zygotes!
>not by themselves
Zygotes dont become people by themselves either

>>611212645
would you like that slut to be your mother?

>>611212267
Salmon commit suicide, their instinct to spawn overrides their desire to live.

>>611198556
Overpopulation. Situational murder should be legalized

>>611212670
Correlation not causation. Isnt that when crack became a thing?

>>611204469
>We're all parasites until we're 18,
eat shit faggot i was a parasite till i was 16

>>611212544
nah, more like these arent logically sound arguments, come up with better ones, because as it stands people seem to say the same thing repeatedly, just louder, and the debate goes nowhere

>>611199192
the sides of mine no longer exist

>>611198556
Because I like killing babies.

>>611210422
no that was 8/10 that retard got served

>>611212814
>every woman should abortion
FTFY

Here are some quick reasons why I believe US laws regarding abortion legality should remain in place or become more lenient:

• There will always be unwanted pregnancies and women will seek out ways to abort. Legalization has given access to safe procedures done by professionals. They're also provided the means to obtain advice on making the final decision. This wouldn't be the case otherwise.
• An unwanted pregnancy is the kind of shit which ruins your life plans and crushes your dreams. The current laws allows for parenthood to be planned for the optimal time in a woman's life.
• Unplanned children will have a lower quality of life than a planned one. Parents with unexpected pregnancies, particularly young parents, will likely put life plans on hold or be unable to pursue better career opportunities.
• Bouncing off the previous point, a great deal of unplanned pregnancies are associated with teens and the poor. Allowing teens to avoid the burden that is raising a child (possibly alone) provides the opportunity for these parents to fully mature and stabilize their own lives before caring for another's. For those living in poverty, having an unexpected child is just another piece of shit on the pile that they don't need.

that's all I got right now.

>>611212926
>Sperm become zygotes!
Only when joined with the genetic information found in a human ova. You can expose a sperm to whatever radiation and chemicals you want, it can never become a human being.

People aren't this stupid, right?

>>611212494
Hmm, perhaps abortion should be an option for mothers who have had to deal with kids like you.

>Driving the car is a conscious decision, not being big enough or have enough nutrients to support a fetus is not.

Miscarriage is natural, it's not the mothers decision. An abortion is. Driving a car is. Do you still not understand the analogy? I told you, I'm not even the one that came up with it.

Rape babies

>>611212814
>your mother should have had at least one abortion
ftfy

>>611213392
>An unwanted pregnancy is the kind of shit which ruins your life plans and crushes your dreams.
If you can't have a baby, then don't be risking it. It's not that hard.

>>611213347
Says the guy that posted it
a brain is never meant to leave the body

>>611213429
Unless you expose it to the chemicals of the human ova.
>expose a zygote to whatever you want (except the things that make it a human being) and itll never become a human being
A sperm is just one step back

>>611200384
Thats so distastefully painful
Painful as in my lungs hurt ty anon

>>611198556
because why would you want to waste money not being happy when you could have a better more prosperous life without one?

the common answer would be "propagation of the species," but there are enough pro-lifers out there that the argument doesn't matter.

>>611212494
miscarriages happen for many reasons, not just because a woman isn't "big" enough you dumb fuck.

>>611211412
Sperm isn't a human. It is a eukaryotic haploid cell. A zygote isn't a human either. These things aren't even animals, they are members of completely different domain, the most inclusive group in taxonomy. Pretty sure there's nothing wrong with killing germs and things of the like, but when that zygote becomes a multicellular organisms with specialized cells and tissues and organs, it becomes a human being. A fetus isn't a eukaryotic cell like sperm. You would be foolish to insist otherwise as it seems you are doing. Also, if you want to draw the line at birth, you should have no problem with killing it a day before the due date? And what is birth? If you take it out of the womb to kill it, is it born? If birth is the line, you can kill a baby that is capable of mental function, can cry, can eat, can see, can breath, can eat, can drink and is completely the same as a newborn but a couple days younger and you can kill it. Birth doesn't change the baby in anyway, it's still the same!e thing when it leaves the womb. If you can give me one physical change of leaving the womb besides the cord you get a cookie.

>>611212067

Welp, SCOTUS has had plenty of opportunities to overturn Roe in the past 20 years, and time and time again, it has declined to do so. The Kennedy-Stevens-O'Conner opinion in Casey directly addresses your comments about stare decisis and Dred Scott. And... no... it doesn't only apply to lower courts.

On your second point, the Court has recognized that the state does in fact have a compelling interest in the fetus at a certain point of development, but since there is far from any consensus at which point life begins, it has decided this occurs roughly at the point of viability, or if the thing could live outside the womb. Have fun trying to convince anybody that your objectively arbitrary "life at conception" opinion should outweigh settled law.

Finally, in light of the above, your first point is invalid as well. The right of the other party to live does not, in fact, outweigh the privacy rights of the mother. If this were the case, we would have an absolute ban on female birth control... and probably also a ban on condoms and male forms of birth control via the Equal Protection Clause. Instead of this insanity, we've long accepted that bans on contraception involve unconstitutional state intrusions on privacy, family planning, marital decision making, etc.

>>611211034
No where in the constitution is there a right to privacy. The only way you can draw out is by reading in between the lines like a fucking living constitutionalist

>>611213453
Oh I see, you are trolling. Have fun Anon and don't forget to tell your mom how good you are at it

>>611198556
it stops you from having to pay child support
/thread

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>>611198556

>>611213783
>>611213783
>implying he didnt get another reason right after
>implying he was implying those were the only two ways not just examples
>implying you're too cool to
>imply

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>>611213603
>telling people to not have sex
>thinking autist morality is base for law making

>>611213783
Re read the condo before you make yourself look stupid

>>611213823
>Physical change
Isnt inside the woman.
Done

>>611214059
>morality
>not simple logic
>Can I afford to have a child in case something goes wrong with my contraception?
>If yes, go ahead!
>If no, wait

>>611213671
No matter what you do, sperm will die. Don't have sex? Sperm dead. Have sex? Sperm dead except for one. It can't be unethical to kill sperm because we kill them whether we like it or not. Most sperm will never become zygotes.

>>611214079
>re-read the condo
>condo
calls others stupid

>>611198925
Doesnt stop drug laws...

>>611201117
You can be pro-choice and anti-abortion, it's the same thing as being anti-pot but pro-legalization. The money in the long term saved from not raising crack babies on the taxpayers' dime is insurmountable.

>>611214240
>implying that people are logical
>not taking emotions and stupid kids into account
>being this fedora
THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR...
LOGIC!

>>611198556

There'd be more NIGGERS

>>611213848

Hey there J. Scalia. How's your heart holding up?

Substantive Due Process of the 14th Amendment. "Liberty." American tradition and values.

Alternatively, see the 9th amendment. Alternatively, see J. Douglas' opinion in Roe.

Go ahead. Try to turn your anti-abortion arguments into an argument against the fundamental right to privacy in the United States. See how that goes.

>>611214208
That's not a physical change you idiot. If I walk outside my house has a physical change happened to me? Have I gained any more mental capability? Have I become anymore human? Location of a baby doesn't matter, it's all about development.

>>611214286
> picks on grammar is the lowest for of arguing

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>>611198556
I WOULD MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT

there is money to be had and i kill babies. Its a win win for me

>>611214240
the world doesn't work this way. come back later with a little wisdom.

>>611214270
But you arent killing the sperm on purpose you're desperately trying to save them
Thats like saying its ok to kill cancer patients cos most die.
Or fuck its like saying its ok to kill humans cos all humans die

...

To be clear im pointing out the fallacious logic of the pro lifers. This is not my opinion