Difficult to say really. I feel I don't know the real Islam. Just all the freaky head choppy offy stuff. There's billions of Islamers out there and I don't think they all like to burny burny chop chop so I'll keep my mind open as possible dispite the onslaught of negative shiz. Still. No smoke with out fire.
I live in Rochdale. Rochdale has 20,000 Pakistanis. I want to vote, but here's a little explanation of my feelings first:
I cannot open a newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about how Rochdale Pakistanis have either raped some schoolgirls or gone to join ISIS. I cannot eat fast food without it being Halal in any of the restaurants in the town. When I was at school the only meat option at dinner time was and remains Halal. They are everywhere, and in to everything. My neighbours on either side are Pakistanis. They throw shitty nappies and rubbish out of their open windows in to the garden to rot. They have devalued my house by about £30,000 with their filth. They do nothing but cook curry and flood the drains repeatedly by pouring rice down it, causing damage to my property.
I go to Tesco, and I see them shoplifting relentlessly. EVERY time I go. From a woman in a black sheet rolling individual eggs down her sleeves from the box, to a man pretending to use the self checkout and essentially just packing his bags full of whatever he wants. Women doing the same. Everyone is afraid to confront them because "racism!" and it's not like the security guards care because surprise - every security guard is a bearded Muslim who allows them to pass without question.
I want to vote.
The 2015 election candidates are:
Azi Ahmed - Conservative Party Farooq Ahmed - Rochdale First Party Simon Danczuk - Labour Party Mohammed Salim - Islam Zinda Baad Platform and Masud Mohammed - UK Independence Party (UKIP)
Yes, the UKIP candidate is a Pakistani Muslim. Even if I want to vote against them I have to vote for them.
Oh, and Danczuk may sound like a white name but he frequently raises the Pakistani flag outside the town hall and has nothing but blessings for Islam and grovels to Pakistanis daily. Pic related, it's him leading thousands of them in protest against Israel and the West in general.
Ex Muslim here. Leaving Islam probably the best thing I've done. Never regretting leaving Islam. Islam is quiet unfair in my opinion specially to Gays/Other Religions. But hey they are sandniggers tho. Anyways I have done a crime punishable by death whish is leaving islam, one of the reasons I will not go to the middle east. But yeah "some" mudslimes are nice. Unless if they are from pakistan those people are just plane wrong (get it plane?)
Islam is as dumb as and as inherently problematic as any other religion on the face of this earth. It is also, in and of itself, no more violent than these other faiths.
Unfortunately, the political situation in the Middle East (and a long history of both European colonialism and Ottoman despotism) has caused people in the region to use this religious identity as a form of escapism/resistance from the Westphalian nation-state system, which has not done this region of the world any favors.
Americans like to think the cycle goes Religion-Violence-Religion, when it actuality centuries of history show it really goes Violence-Religion-Violence.
>>609324465 I feel sorry for the people wich follow this religion. Extremist groups as ISIS or AL-Kaeda are making us western people hate them all. Probably, there are plenty of people which peacefully lives following this religion but they are totally eclipsed by the monstruous actions of terrorist. I wish I could not hate Islam so much, but I do.
Considering there's like 1.6 billion muslims in the world, this cannot be overstated. People and policy makers who think we need to purge or eradicate the faith have a laughably laborious task on their hands.
to all the people saying "hurp durp, all the violence comes from the quran" - wrong. just like the bible the quran is a confusing mess and literally nobody these days cares about what it actually says.
sura 29 verse 46: And do not argue with the People of the Scripture [that's Jews and Christians] except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are in submission to Him."
sura 41 verse 34: And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel evil by that deed which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity will become as though he was a devoted friend.
So the quran says be nice to Jews and Christians and do good deeds, not bad deeds, so that you may turn enemies into friends. You know who cares? Nobody. So stop fucking blabbing on about the quran. It's a book. A tool used by despicable men to gain power, from Mohammad up until today.
>anti gay >anti degeneracy >no smoking, drinking or drugs >lending for profit aka usury is banned >men are men women are women >most men die and leave more women for each man >based polygamy >loli sex >sex slaves of xtian and jew girls is halal >origins of modern math >anti kike
I don't like the idea of martyrdom, praying 5 times and giving up song, dance, porn and vidya but my harem of Swedish lolis would more than suffice.
>>609324465 It's the reason why the middle east and other muslim areas don't advance scientifically. The only "science books" muslims read are the Quran and the Bukhari's so all they do is leech technology from western countries. If muslims had conquered the world 1000 years ago we would all be riding camels and and our dentist visits would look like pic related.
>inb4 b-but muslims invented some things
Yeah, and they had to watch every step they did because it might contradict the Quran and if it did they were accused of "wizardry" and punished severely.
>>609330431 You would be lucky to have more than 1 wife in most muslim countries and you don't get to choose your wife either, your family does. You could end up with an ugly fat wife just because her dad payed your dad 1 more goat than the dad with the hot daughter would have.
>>609331616 The islamic world needs an age of enlightenment to end their dark ages and repell religion like Europe did with Christianity. Modern Chrisitanity is a joke nobody takes seriously (in Europe at least). They'll get there, I'm sure. The tricky thing is how many centuries it will take and what they'll destroy in the meantime.
>>609331598 True, Most have a single wife but the privileged ones like Sheikh Osama who can support the women had numerous wives. You can marry slave girls that convert to Islam, and forget most Muslim countries, UK has a number of Muslim polygamists, Google it.
Also convert girls whose parents are kufr don't need parental permission.
I don't know you all, you don't know me but belive me war is not like sitting in front of your pc and hating somebody and talking like 'they should do this and that'. You don't want to be in war especially not if you look like one of the bad guys.
>>609333530 >Islam is actually becoming more conservative than 50 years ago
Oh yeah. I always laugh at posts on /b/ suggesting to nuke Mekka. You know what happened when a bunch of insurgents seized the grand mosque the last time? The saudis went batshit and formed an even more radically conservative interpretation of islam. More violence for once is not the solution...
How do images of Sunni Muslims being treated like dirt by bashar Al Kalb make you feel? What plan of action will you take against the humiliation of our people by alawi? Thoughts on Shia? If the caliphate becomes official, illhamdoulliah, will you come?
>How do images of Sunni Muslims being treated like dirt by bashar Al Kalb make you feel?
I become angered. >What plan of action will you take against the humiliation of our people by alawi?
There should be no rebellion in the first place. There's no jihad in syria, rather you should make dua for the Muslims. It is all different warring factions killing each other. Read: http://www.abukhadeejah.com/is-there-jihad-in-syria-should-one-go-and-fight-by-salafi-shaikh-abdullaah-al-bukhaaree/ >Thoughts on Shia?
They are out of the fold of islam and all of them are a bunch of liars. They have a hadith that say that 9 out of 10 of their religion is taqiyya, and those that do not do taqqiya then they are not from the shia. >If the caliphate becomes official, illhamdoulliah, will you come?
Daesh caliphate? That one is not a caliphate rather they are from the khawarij the literal dogs of hell. If you're asking me if there was to come a real caliphate like the rashidun then yes, I'd go.
> [...] The true Scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah answered without any flattery and without seeking any benefit for themselves as is sought by others who pursue and seek after tribulations (fitnah). So the Scholars issued fatawa in truth and in the light of the Prophetic narrations, that you should not do that (i.e. rise up against the ruler), and not raise weapons, and that you must stay away from tribulation and trials. And that is not due to the fact that the ruler is not a sinner, a criminal, and not due to any sanctity of Islaam for him, no! Rather from the conditions of Ahlus-Sunnah as it relates to revolt against the ruler who is an unbeliever and upon whom the ruling of disbelief has been confirmed with utter certainty and with proof from Allaah – so the Scholars have mentioned conditions – and that is even for the disbelieving ruler whose disbelief has exited him from the Religion, due to the fact that it is clear cut open disbelief – the disbelief which we see, which is open and apparent, for which we have a clear textual proof from Allaah. So this one who is revolted against, that the revolt against him must not lead to greater tribulation than what was already present before, greater destruction than what was there before. So if by removing this ruler, it leads to even greater harm and corruption, then it is not permitted to raise arms and weapons against such a ruler – and this is by the agreement or consensus (ijmaa’) of the scholars. So there must be ability present before he can be removed. So if there is not present the ability to remove him, then likewise he cannot be revolted against and removed. So this is what the Scholars gave as verdicts (fatawa) in this affair – that it is not permitted to rise up in arms against that ruler [of Syria].
>>609324465 Perhaps the most successfully secretive yet immensely profitable aspect of Islam is the world of slavery, an Islamic pillar that has continued unhindered and unexposed for over 1,400 years. Proof of this is the shocking fact that at least 14 million blacks are still enslaved by Muslims today. Another 20,000 Christians are tortured, raped, and killed by their Muslim masters in Pakistan alone.
>>609324465 It's the same thing as mormanism and scientology: one charismatic fuck claims he has the truth and convinces others, unlike other religion, like judiasm and christianity where several people witnessed the events
>>609324465 Islam is a cult designed to appeal to bullies. It gives smug satisfaction to people that want to hurt others by allowing them to think of their victims as "just a kaffir" and not a human. Islam is entirely about oppression and violence, and is a religion for small minded people.
Oh - and Mohammed was a pedophile child rapist and today his followers bow down and pray to a magic space rock.
>>609324465 I feel like that the majority of Muslims are decent people, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so all we see here in America of course, are the extremists.
I mean sure, the Qu'ran does state to kill all non-believers, but I'm pretty sure it says that somewhere in the Bible too. There's quite alot that the Christians (or whatever else) ignore from their guiding text because it's barbaric, based on outdated morals, or just downright inconvenient. I'm sure the majority of Muslims do the same. Basically, I just feel that Islamic extremists are the Christians' (in America, mostly) equivalent of Westboro, but better and more ballsy.
Context, Ibn Umar the companion of the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam said concerning the verse (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah...).' > "We did that during the time of the Messenger of Allah, when Islam was weak and the man would be tried in religion, either tormented to death or being imprisoned. When Islam became stronger and widespread, there was no more Fitnah.''
Basically the polytheist were constantly waging war against the Muslims who were a minority. They came from every angle to annihilate the Muslims, but Allah has allowed the Muslims to fight back untill there is no more tribulation or injustice. The next verse, 8:40 says:: >But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper.
>>609324465 I'm pretty ambivalent. I have done some traveling along the Gulf, and have some good friends who are Muslims, from that region and from India/Pakistan but who now work in the Arab world. The are great people, very hospitable very warm and friendly, and other than the fact that you can't get bacon while visiting them, it's all good. The way they approach their faith and how it calls them to engage in the world is very positive.
On the other hand, I know the few folks I know are not representative of the whole Islamic ball of wax. I think there is something in Islam that is seriously off track and in dire need of their version of a Reformation.
>>609340641 >Islam is not winning anything Yet. You have plenty of people who are abandoning Xtianity and making their way to other religions, or simply going non-religious. At the very least, ISIS has the appeal of taking down the west entirely going for it, which is why you'll have more people joining them from the West.
Unlike Xtianity, Islam isn't recruiting through colonization and enslaving people. They're doing it almost purely through influence and social media.
>>609339538 Whoa, I haven't heard the version of Deuteronomy 22:23-24 The version I was raised on said that if man rapes a woman, he must pay her father 10 shillings, and they must get married without getting divorced. (Some try to say it's not about rape, but it uses the word "seize", which has the definition "to take hold of forcibly")
Quran 52:29-36 >Therefore, remind and preach (mankind, O Muhammad SAW of Islamic Monotheism). By the Grace of Allah, you are neither a soothsayer, nor a madman. >Or do they say: "(Muhammad SAW is) a poet! We await for him some calamity by time! >Say (O Muhammad SAW to them): "Wait! I am with you, among the waiters!" >Do their minds command them this [i.e. to tell a lie against you (Muhammad SAW)] or are they people exceeding the bounds (i.e. from Belief in Allah to disbelief). >Or do they say: "He (Muhammad SAW) has forged it (this Quran)?" Nay! They believe not! >Let them then produce a recital like unto it (the Quran) if they are truthful. >Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators? >Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief. The Quran is one of the biggest miracles this world has witnessed. It is the Speech of Allah, your and my Creator. Listen, and perhaps read the translation (it begins with surah fatiha then surah baqarah):
These verses challenges you to produce a surah like the ones it has. 1400+ years and none have been able to do it. Yet you claim that it is from Mohammad salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam and not from Allah. How was it that the community he lived in was the best in poetry yet the disbelievers couldn't produce anything similar?
Mohammad was the best Prophet, Leader, Father, army General etc etc yet you still think he could produce something unchallenged like this? The Prophet would stand 2/3 of the night reciting the Quran, and lead the prayer in front of all the Muslims yet he had still time to make something like the Quran? If you claim that it was from someone else, then how come no one saw this other person? The Prophet was both in mecca being opressed and in medina as a transparent leader, and the Quran discusses events that are CURRENT and comes with prophecies.
>>609337100 The Arab scholars only condemn the brothers of IS since they fear the Saudi Kings regime more than Allah, the mighty.
They say the muhajideen of Sham aren't known but everyone knows they fight under the black flags of monotheism which read La Ilaha ill Allah.
The problem is the language barrier between Caucasian, Arab and English brothers which splits them into factions. But IS has been nothing but lenient in forgiving and accepting members of factions that never engaged them,like ahrar Al Sham and muhajireen wa ansar.
You should see the videos of the sharia courts established by the Dawlah, the roadwork and rebuilding before calling them tawagheet.
I come from Manchester, UK. All the Rochdale stuff is true. Islam is a fucking disaster for our country. After Europe fought so hard to get rid of Islam, the last 50 years has sowed the seeds of Europe's demise. Large minorities are growing in every European country. They hate us. They will not change. We must change. Islam has a persecution complex, whilst knowing no way of dealing with non Muslims except by lying raping cheating and stealing from them. They don't even know they are doing it half the time. The lowest of the low.
And another thing. We need immigration, so please for fucks sake let's stay in the EU, and get our immigrants from somewhere better then Pakifuckingstan
>>609341817 That's always been my problem with it. The Bible has has many, many, many chances to be altered. How do you think they translated it back then? One man, in a basement, under candle light, with the ability to change anything to his, or his king's liking to save his ass.
I say as Ibn abas said to the khawarij of old, when he said that he came from the sahaba and the Khawarij had none of the sahaba amongst them. That Daesh has none from the ulema amongst them. The scholars are apparent and available for all the Muslims, yet we don't know any ISIS scholars - they came out of no where, perhaps they make a previous janitor into a scholar then call him shaykh.
You are making a baseless claim about the scholars; they merely quote the ulema of old, Look at the example of Imam Ahmad radiaAllahu anhu, when the Caliph commit kufr by claiming that the Quran is created Abul-Haarith Ahmad bin Muhammad Al-Saa'igh, the close and respected friend of Imam Ahmad, reported:
>I asked Abu 'Abdillaah (Imam Ahmad) about something that had occurred in Baghdad, and [because of which] some people were considering revolting [against the ruler]. I said, "O Abu 'Abdillaah, what do you say about taking part in the revolt with these people?" He decried it and started saying, "Subhanallaah! The blood [of the people], the blood [of the people]! I do not believe in this and I do not tell others to do it. For us to suffer our situation in patience is better than the fitnah (tribulation) in which blood is spilt, property is taken, and the prohibited are violated (e.g. the honor of women). Do you not know what happened to the people (in the days of the previous fitnah)?"
> I said, "And the people today, Abu 'Abdillaah, are they not in fitnah [because of the ruler]?" He replied, "If so, it is a limited fitnah, but if the sword is raised, the fitnah will engulf everything and there will be no way to escape. To suffer patiently this [current difficulty], such that Allaah keeps your religion safe for you, is better for you." I saw him decry revolting against the leaders, and say, "[Do not spill the people's] blood. I do not believe in this and I do not command it." Abu Bakr Al-Khallaaal, Al-Sunnah article 89.
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